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If you are an American you cannot see this.
(This is an IED blast. It was found and detonated by the US military. Just a warning.)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2053731645001034711

Google is not just censoring China but is also censoring slightly Americans. Though I have nothing against google and still think they are one of the greatest compaines out there, they still should not censor Americans. We have the right to decide what we should and should not see.

Oh come on. Everything in america is censored! Just to make sure George Bush dosn't have to fix the election as much as last time.

And why was it censored? It's an explosion? Try and find out what it is if you are a yankee.

Corporate scandal.

Anybody want to debunk this censorship theory?

From all that I see it is a detination of an IED by the US military.
There is another video like this posted by the same user. It is a weapons cache detonated.

I can't seem to get any more info that that.

If you are an American you cannot see this.
(This is an IED blast. It was found and detonated by the US military. Just a warning.)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2053731645001034711

Google is not just censoring China but is also censoring slightly Americans. Though I have nothing against google and still think they are one of the greatest compaines out there, they still should not censor Americans. We have the right to decide what we should and should not see.
Maybe the Government threatened to do unpleasant things if Google allowed the video to be shown in America (not that IP-based country filtering is very effective). Of course Google and all other US-based search engines are already unintentionally breaking US law, by unwittingly breaking import restrictions on encrypted data when their bots trawl the web (US law prohibits the import or export of data with strong encryption).

Anybody want to debunk this censorship theory?
I'll try.....










Kind of difficult when you're the one actually doing the censoring, eh?
.....ok, maybe I won't.

I can find plenty more clips of controlled IED explosions on google, so, this seems like it must be a glitch, or he messed with the docid to cause the censored text to appear there (I'm not sure if this is possible).

They censor that video, but then when you click on "More Videos" I am allowed to see this horribly stupid slide show with horribly stupid rap playing in the background. Somebody at the censoring office definitely has their priorities misplaced.

It doesn't count as censorship if they own the media, it's the same as if CNN refused to show a clip they had or someone gave them. If the government stepped in, then yes, it's censorship.

I can't make heads or tails of it.

I can't make heads or tails of it.

Thing is telling people what they are being censored from hardly makes good censorship.

I found a viewable video for Americans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oemDhSX6dmA

"Detonation of Improvised Explosive Device used against Coalition forces. We found this one before they could use it against us."

OK, how's a clip of that bad for you Amriikians to see now? I don't get it.

Yay for being Finnish, I guess.

If you are an American you cannot see this.
(This is an IED blast. It was found and detonated by the US military. Just a warning.)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2053731645001034711

Google is not just censoring China but is also censoring slightly Americans. Though I have nothing against google and still think they are one of the greatest compaines out there, they still should not censor Americans. We have the right to decide what we should and should not see.
WTF, over? That's just an EOD team detonating an IED. They post stuff like that on Military.com all the damned time! That's just weird. :confused:

"Detonation of Improvised Explosive Device used against Coalition forces. We found this one before they could use it against us."

OK, how's a clip of that bad for you Amriikians to see now? I don't get it.

Yay for being Finnish, I guess.
What's with your spelling?

I found a viewable video for Americans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oemDhSX6dmA
Wow, that was so meaningful and damaging to my concepts of the US government. When I heard that boom, and then the guy sort of giggle, my blood just ran cold.
You know how this stuff ends? It ends with your time wasted, the Capitol Steps producing another song, and your leaders well hung.

It doesn't count as censorship if they own the media, it's the same as if CNN refused to show a clip they had or someone gave them. If the government stepped in, then yes, it's censorship.

According to the dictionary, it doesn't matter whether you are the government or own it. It just says that to censor is to "examine and expurgate"

WTF, over? That's just an EOD team detonating an IED. They post stuff like that on Military.com all the damned time! That's just weird. :confused:

Maybe it has something to do with the poster.

If you are an American you cannot see this.
(This is an IED blast. It was found and detonated by the US military. Just a warning.)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2053731645001034711

Google is not just censoring China but is also censoring slightly Americans. Though I have nothing against google and still think they are one of the greatest compaines out there, they still should not censor Americans. We have the right to decide what we should and should not see.

Hey, stupid, you're making an issue out of absolutely nothing. Google is not, I repeat, NOT censoring this video. When you upload a video to Google Video, you have the option not to allow certain countries to see it.

Read that last part again. Google didn't censor it, the person who originally uploaded the video to google video decided not to let people in America see it.


Get over your persecution complex.

Maybe it has something to do with the poster.
Perhaps so, but I forever more can't imagine what! :confused:

Read that last part again. Google didn't censor it, the person who originally uploaded the video to google video decided not to let people in America see it.

I don't see that indicated anywhere.

It doesn't count as censorship if they own the media, it's the same as if CNN refused to show a clip they had or someone gave them. If the government stepped in, then yes, it's censorship.

If you could see the content filed on the AP Newswire that is never picked up by the major media outlets, or the way they butcher the ones they do, you would never make such a silly statement. Corporate media not only rivals the government in censorship, they bypass it as if it were standing still.
Censorship is not confined to government agencies. Censorship can be found thriving in virtually every imaginable sector of life, whether that be schools, the workplace, churches, special interest groups, political parties and anyplace else where people can find a need to limit information they find detrimental to their own personal agenda. The government is a bit player in that role.

I don't see that indicated anywhere.

But for some reason, you'll just jump on the censorship bandwagon? Even though that CLEARLY isn't stated?

Wow. I know the point of this thread was something like OMG teh cenzorship1 but I'd never seen an IED before.

I always wondered how those things could kill 3 people in a hummer... I so totally understand now. The resistance is most certainly wily and resourceful to put contraptions like that together.

Is IED how they're known in America? I've only ever seen them refered to as 'roadside bombs' in the UK.

Wow, that was so meaningful and damaging to my concepts of the US government. When I heard that boom, and then the guy sort of giggle, my blood just ran cold.
You know how this stuff ends? It ends with your time wasted, the Capitol Steps producing another song, and your leaders well hung.Actually, you don't have much of an idea at what the guy is laughing at. You have no idea what is happening behind the camera. The guy could be being tickled for all you know.

If you then say that their in Iraq and it's scary that a single soldier could not be taking himself seriously 100% of the time, then I'd say you were being excessive. No one can be serious all the time. Added to that, that there was no one getting hurt or killed.

Anybody want to debunk this censorship theory?

Ok, easy. Noam Chomsky, in his last book, made a very pertinent point about the nature and methodology of the US administrations dating back - at the very least - to FDR.

Speaking of the cuban missile crisis, he remarked:-
"the crime of the Russians in Cuba was stealth, while the US surrounded Russia with lethal offensive weapons quite openly. That is true. The world ruler not only has no need to conceal it's intent, but prefers to advertise it, to 'maintain credibility'. The subordination of the ideological system to power ensures that virtually any action - international terrorism (as in Cuba), overt aggression (as in South Vietnam at the time), participation in mass slaughter to destroy the only mass based political party (as in South Vietnam and Indonesia) and many others - will either be dispatched into oblivion or reshaped into a legitimate act of self defence or as an act of benovelence that perhaps went astray"

Or, to put it more succintly:- The American government does not need to lie or hide things from the American people, because the vast majority of them are so spoon-fed a distorted view of events daily by a complicit mass media (as are large portions of the western world), by academia, by fellow travelling political elites in other countries etc etc etc that they will eat up any bowl of shit, and if the current President says it's Chocolate Ice Cream, they'll smile and ask for more.

What's with your spelling?

What's with my spelling? I wouldn't know. Care to elaborate?

... Or are you asking because I said "Amriikians" instead of "Americans"? Most people see it as it is, a sort of crappy joke. Which it most undoubtably is.

Wow. I know the point of this thread was something like OMG teh cenzorship1 but I'd never seen an IED before.

I always wondered how those things could kill 3 people in a hummer... I so totally understand now. The resistance is most certainly wily and resourceful to put contraptions like that together.

Newsflash: They didn't invent them. They simply connect the detonator and push a button. Requires all the wile, and resourcefulness that comes as standard equipment installed on the average 8 year old.

But for some reason, you'll just jump on the censorship bandwagon? Even though that CLEARLY isn't stated?
Hello, CannotThinkOfAName. Nice day, what?

If you then say that their in Iraq and it's scary that a single soldier could not be taking himself seriously 100% of the time, then I'd say you were being excessive. No one can be serious all the time. Added to that, that there was no one getting hurt or killed.
I was taking the piss, and (in my last line) making fun of Ken "I suck Stalin's cock" MacLaeod.

Anybody want to debunk this censorship theory?
I dont know I bounced it off of a machine in France and Brazil ... No joy ... I am almost wondering if their id tagging system is freaked and we are geting an incorrect error message

Hmmm here is another one

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4258374615945369026

WAIT

Just checked it out

Its NOT google that is censoring it

The people that CHOOSE to upload these videos have the OPTION to specify what country it is viewable from

Its not google

Read that last part again. Google didn't censor it, the person who originally uploaded the video to google video decided not to let people in America see it.Yes, GoogleVideo was intended as a video store. They have an option of limiting areas that the video can be played, just like region encoding. It's not censorship, get over it.

Meh.

If it was censorship, there wouldn't even be a link for it.

I really doubt the government would be concerned over people seeing a bomb get detonated.

Now if it were soldiers or Iraqis caught in the blast.....

I was taking the piss, and (in my last line) making fun of Ken "I suck Stalin's cock" MacLaeod.Oh well. I can never tell when someone's taking the piss or being sarcastic online. I blame it on my being too cynical about people who are online and their reasons for being online and that the written word isn't intoned, nor replete with body language.


Any, do you mean, Ken MacLeod? Who said this in his blog[quote]Did you know that Darwinism is propagated by an international Jewish conspiracy? Me neither, until The Protocols of the Elders of Zion set me straight./[quote]Never heard of him. I shall try to maintain my ignorance.

I found a viewable video for Americans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oemDhSX6dmA


thats it??? that is what they can't show us?

Newsflash: They didn't invent them. They simply connect the detonator and push a button. Requires all the wile, and resourcefulness that comes as standard equipment installed on the average 8 year old.

Take it down a notch buddy. I know I(and most of my fellow countrymen) could not make such a device. I know I don't know the ingredients, where to get those unknown ingredients or how to put the mofo together. It's something most people can't do while NOT surrounded by the most powerful armed forces on the planet... and these guys are somehow doing it right under US noses.

It's resourcefulness. Plus it takes both wile and resourcefulness to get it to go off at the exact right time.

None of this means it's right to detonate large explosives near moving vehicles... just that it's resourceful and wily.

Take it down a notch buddy. I know I(and most of my fellow countrymen) could not make such a device. I know I don't know the ingredients, where to get those unknown ingredients or how to put the mofo together. It's something most people can't do while NOT surrounded by the most powerful armed forces on the planet... and these guys are somehow doing it right under US noses.

It's resourcefulness. Plus it takes both wile and resourcefulness to get it to go off at the exact right time.

None of this means it's right to detonate large explosives near moving vehicles... just that it's resourceful and wily.
There are no "indredients" They take artillery shells, hook a cellphone to the detonator, bury it, and when someone drives by, they make a call to the cellphone.

It really is 8th grade stuff. Just because you have no idea how to do it, doesn't mean your "fellow countrymen" are that lacking in basic knowledge.
My 12 year old niece could build one. :rolleyes:

Whether or not Google is the one doing the censoring or whether they are just allowing people to censor their content themselves, it's a shitty way to run a global service.

It's the same thing as letting China censor their search results, and I just uninstalled my Google deskbar. And afterwards, it conveniently asked me why I did. I told them that censorship of ANY means by a company that is supposed to offer it's services to the global community is pretty shitty. If the author of the video didn't want to share the video with ALL of the public, they should submit it to a service that publicly states that they allow censorship. Fuck Google.

There are no "indredients" They take artillery shells, hook a cellphone to the detonator, bury it, and when someone drives by, they make a call to the cellphone.

It really is 8th grade stuff. Just because you have no idea how to do it, doesn't mean your "fellow countrymen" are that lacking in basic knowledge.
My 12 year old niece could build one. :rolleyes:

At the risk of going Ad Hominem on your ass, your family has problems if your 12 year old niece can build an IED.

But since I'm about 87% sure you're resorting to hyperbolic argument because for some reason you can't admit that third world insurgents building a big motherfucking bomb that effectively kills the world's best soldiers - while they're in moving vehicles - is in the least bit skillfull, I don't really care all that much what you say your niece can do.

At any rate this is a stupid argument I never intended to stumble into. Believe what you may. I'm done here.

Can I ask .why the obsession with google? Surely its better to use a meta search any way?A single company really cant censor the entire net can they??

This is completely stupid...I don't think google should censor anyone. >.<

Not to mention I'm american, and cannot view this video, and get pissed off whenever i see the "you cannot view this video in your country". >_>

At the risk of going Ad Hominem on your ass, your family has problems if your 12 year old niece can build an IED.

But since I'm about 87% sure you're resorting to hyperbolic argument because for some reason you can't admit that third world insurgents building a big motherfucking bomb that effectively kills the world's best soldiers - while they're in moving vehicles - is in the least bit skillfull, I don't really care all that much what you say your niece can do.

At any rate this is a stupid argument I never intended to stumble into. Believe what you may. I'm done here.
It's takes more skill to build a sewage system, or a watersystem for potable water. It takes more skill to build a school or a hospital.

Like I said, they aren't MAKING the "big motherfucking bomb"
They are pre-made artillery shells. They are ALREADY BOMBS! They just hook a cellphone and a battery to them. IT ISN'T HARD. And I'm sorry my niece isn't a total retard. :rolleyes:

It's takes more skill to build a sewage system, or a watersystem for potable water. It takes more skill to build a school or a hospital.

Like I said, they aren't MAKING the "big motherfucking bomb"
They are pre-made artillery shells. They are ALREADY BOMBS! They just hook a cellphone and a battery to them. IT ISN'T HARD. And I'm sorry my niece isn't a total retard. :rolleyes:

So, you've inspected every single IED used in Iraq and every single one of them was made with arty shells? Where exactly are you getting this information?

look out! the NSA is coming!!!!!

Those fucking bastards.

I can't mke heads or tails of it.
Thing is telling people what they are being censored from hardly makes good censorship.

did he quote himself?!?!?! am i the only one who saw this?!?!?!?!

what's the point of the restriction? there are open proxy servers everywhere. (apparently, france is allowed to see this video.)

the sound was synced better in the you tube version anyway.

It's takes more skill to build a sewage system, or a watersystem for potable water. It takes more skill to build a school or a hospital.

Like I said, they aren't MAKING the "big motherfucking bomb"
They are pre-made artillery shells. They are ALREADY BOMBS! They just hook a cellphone and a battery to them. IT ISN'T HARD. And I'm sorry my niece isn't a total retard. :rolleyes:
Good to know someone in your family isn't.

Doesn't it say that the provider of the video and not Google has chosen to disable it? I mean, if it belongs to somebody they have a right to allow or disallow people to see it...of course, I don't really know enough about it.

It's an explosion.. What of it? Are American's not supposed to see it in case they start screaming that the sky is falling?

My university's library, at which I am an employee, is a censorship free zone. Basically you can look at whatever you want on the the computers and if anyone doesn't like it and they complain they are simply asked to move somewhere they can't see the screen.

Had a guy looking at Beastiality with horses and another one looking at midget porn downstairs with their back to the desk so that all the people there could watch them do it. Luckily I am a "building monitor" so I do whatever I want and don't deal with creepy people like that. Pretty funny though. Yay Massachusetts and freedom of speech!

My university's library, at which I am an employee, is a censorship free zone. Basically you can look at whatever you want on the the computers and if anyone doesn't like it and they complain they are simply asked to move somewhere they can't see the screen.

Had a guy looking at Beastiality with horses and another one looking at midget porn downstairs with their back to the desk so that all the people there could watch them do it. Luckily I am a "building monitor" so I do whatever I want and don't deal with creepy people like that. Pretty funny though. Yay Massachusetts and freedom of speech!

Where in Massachusetts was this?

Doesn't it say that the provider of the video and not Google has chosen to disable it? I mean, if it belongs to somebody they have a right to allow or disallow people to see it...of course, I don't really know enough about it.


Yes. Yes, it does. So, who's the provider of the video? Some random individual out there? If that's the case, what's the big deal?

"Greatest democracy in the world!"

I've heard this SO many times.. I wonder if people mean "great" as in 'old', and not 'best'. If not doesn't it really make any sense.

My university's library, at which I am an employee, is a censorship free zone. Basically you can look at whatever you want on the the computers and if anyone doesn't like it and they complain they are simply asked to move somewhere they can't see the screen.

Had a guy looking at Beastiality with horses and another one looking at midget porn downstairs with their back to the desk so that all the people there could watch them do it. Luckily I am a "building monitor" so I do whatever I want and don't deal with creepy people like that. Pretty funny though. Yay Massachusetts and freedom of speech!
We also have a non sensorship history up here

Though in some of the programming labs (owned by a specific department) they ask that programming homework be focused on if the lab is full (rare) but thats why we have open labs as well (general public labs)

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/3998/googleadvancedrestrictions6nj.gif

did he quote himself?!?!?! am i the only one who saw this?!?!?!?!

Man I can't get anything past you :)

Whether or not Google is the one doing the censoring or whether they are just allowing people to censor their content themselves, it's a shitty way to run a global service.

It's the same thing as letting China censor their search results, and I just uninstalled my Google deskbar. And afterwards, it conveniently asked me why I did. I told them that censorship of ANY means by a company that is supposed to offer it's services to the global community is pretty shitty. If the author of the video didn't want to share the video with ALL of the public, they should submit it to a service that publicly states that they allow censorship. Fuck Google.I agree with the MIB on this one.

From what I’ve read in this thread, Google isn’t out to censor America. Well not at least until the next term of Bush, when they are told to ban all sites that refer to Presidents only being able to have two terms in office.

For people making fun of the guy laughing at the explosion in the vid link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oemDhSX6dmA

He’s not at the theatre throwing popcorn around. It’s probably just a nervous reaction to realizing that explosion could have been him. I had a round whip by my head once and I let out a giggle. It’s a normal reaction to that sort of unreal situation.

Back to Google they spat on their own motto (“Don’t do Evil”) for some coin and went into China to provide censorship to the masses. But Yahoo and Microsoft were already there providing censorship services to China. Yahoo takes it a step further. Last year Yahoo was accused of actively supplying the Chinese gov with data to convict a Chinese journalist. So you’d better toss out the Microsoft and Yahoo before you start picking on Google.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4647398.stm