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Yes, I have now met, spoken with, and even hugged Cindy Sheehan. I stood by her side as she spoke, chanted with her, sang with her, and prayed with her for peace.

She is not the media whore the right-wingers are trying to make her out to be. She is a greiving mother looking for answers.

She was very approachable, very warm and open. There was no entourage to go through, no bodyguards, and no throngs of screaming fans one would normally associate with a media diva.

As the evening wore on, I gave her my coat because she was cold. She accepted it gladly and even wore it during a brief interview on camera (so my coat can be seen! woo!).

She's taller than I expected, very thin and tired looking, and smells great. She speaks well without pre-written speeches - something our President can't do with some of the best speech writers in the country!

All in all, she's a nice lady.

Once I get everything off the camera, I'll put up some pics of me and her together and some bonus pics of me and Mimi Kennedy! If you don't know, she played Dharma's mother on the sitcom "Dharma & Greg". She was there.

Veterans For Peace was there and several other groups were represented.

I do love a good peace rally.

You may now commence flaming Cindy.

Your coat is a TV star.

I think she's fulla shit.

The voice of the anti-war movement should NOT, under any circumstances, be someone who only wants to get answers about her son.

The anti-war movement should be spoken for by (well preferably by a variety of people) someone who oppossed the war from the start because of moral objections, someone who understands that the answer is not to bring the troops home so they can be deployed somewhere else. Cindy Sheehan's grieving, while it is important to her, will not solve any problems.

Cindy Sheehan has managed to monopolize the voice of liberalism with cooky theories attacking everyone who is against her. She is the antithesis of what liberals should be. While many say that she is a warm, gentle, loving person. Her voice, actions, and statements have proven to be alienating of the rest of liberal America. She is not willing to listen to the dissenting voices within her part of the political spectrum. Sheehan has this "with us or against us" attitude that Bush has too but yet many people don't see it nor will they aknowledge it.

I think she's fulla shit.

The voice of the anti-war movement should NOT, under any circumstances, be someone who only wants to get answers about her son.

The anti-war movement should be spoken for by (well preferably by a variety of people) someone who oppossed the war from the start because of moral objections, someone who understands that the answer is not to bring the troops home so they can be deployed somewhere else. Cindy Sheehan's grieving, while it is important to her, will not solve any problems.
if no one else is willing to step up and ask questions, then we have to go with whoever IS willing to do so.

cindy sheehan shouldnt be THE voice of the anti-war movement, everyone who has doubts about why we are there and who feel that we have gone the wrong way should speak up.

if we all represent our own point of view, the message will be heard. from the grieving parents who wonder why their son or daughter had to die to the congressman who feels duped to the college student who feels that all war is wrong to the military vet who favors a strong defense but feels that this war is ill advised.

dont fault cindy sheehan for being in the spotlight, wonder where everyone else is.

well, the most sought after quality in someone to head a movement is that they should not seem fakey or desire the srt of personal alienation that is stereotyped with media whores and the like.
In politics especially, things are rarely what they seem and people are rarely who they appear to be. Its true Cindy may not appear to be a media whore, but that could happen for two reasons. only one is that she is really not a media whore.

(BTW: I hadn't realized how many Austinites were on this forum... My governor is a Jewish Cowboy too!)

sorry to say it, but not only is that coat famous, it is also tainted, and should be burned imediatly

she played you like a yo yo

she is getting into politics, she needs sympathy. she needs to look good.
the only valid argument agaisnt her son is that he died. thats it. there is no more. like what has been said and said again, he signed up, he wasnt forced.

Cindy Sheehan is also a Jew-hating anti-Semetic Chavez-loving America-hater.

Cindy Sheehan is also a Jew-hating anti-Semetic Chavez-loving America-hater.
As am I. And George Bush, too. :rolleyes:

What a lot of people fail to realize, especially the conservatives that lampoon her, is that she would've stopped her entire campaign if only Bush came out from his ranch for 5 stinkin' minutes to talk to her. But Bush, being himself and not wanting to hear any dissenting voices, stayed in his little bubble.[Insert imperial presidency rant here] Cindy wouldn't have made this such a big deal if Bush had been Chief Citizen and came out to talk to her for five minutes.

What a lot of people fail to realize, especially the conservatives that lampoon her, is that she would've stopped her entire campaign if only Bush came out from his ranch for 5 stinkin' minutes to talk to her. But Bush, being himself and not wanting to hear any dissenting voices, stayed in his little bubble.[Insert imperial presidency rant here] Cindy wouldn't have made this such a big deal if Bush had been Chief Citizen and came out to talk to her for five minutes.

if you honestly believe that, then you have some serious issues

if you honestly believe that, then you have some serious issues
Why? Wasn't that how it all started?

What a lot of people fail to realize, especially the conservatives that lampoon her, is that she would've stopped her entire campaign if only Bush came out from his ranch for 5 stinkin' minutes to talk to her. But Bush, being himself and not wanting to hear any dissenting voices, stayed in his little bubble.[Insert imperial presidency rant here] Cindy wouldn't have made this such a big deal if Bush had been Chief Citizen and came out to talk to her for five minutes.
He already did talk to her. She didn't want answers, she wanted attention.
You give it to her.
Congratulations.

Why? Wasn't that how it all started?
somewhat, she had a protest, she got media attention, she got huge media attention, she has annoyed some of her family, she got more attention, and here she is again getting attention.

conclusion, attention whore, after she got some attention she wont be happy untill she gets more

Wow, lotta puppets out tonight. But of course, I've come to expect that when people really want to lash out on these forums.

*chews more popcorn*

While I symptize with Cindy for losing her son in the War. She is now using her son's death to push her own adgenda, and that is wrong. It's the same as Bush using the death of 3,000 people to push his own adgenda. That is wrong too. As far as I can see, they are both wrong.

conclusion, attention whore, after she got some attention she wont be happy untill she gets more
Ahem...Ahmadinejad also says things, gets attention, yet no one just dismisses the things he says on those grounds.

Ahem...Ahmadinejad also says things, gets attention, yet no one just dismisses the things he says on those grounds.

theres a slight difference to a threat and just blabbering about how Bush killed your son. one is developing nuclear facilities and the other is having a sit in

think about it

think about it
Indeed you should. Are you just dismissing her because you don't like what she says, because it's the official line that she is an attention whore?

I'm not really following this whole thing, but her opinions are valid, and you should attack the argument and not the person making it.

Ahhhh ... vitriol and talking points. I do so love NS General puppets. *snatches some of Bob's popcorn*

I've met her and spent some time with her. Have you?

She even invited me and a couple of friends to dinner. I had to decline because I have French class very early in the morning.

She didn't have an "agenda". She's a human.

She's not running for public office.

Spend 10 minutes with her. I did.

I'll be brutally honest here. I don't like "peace rallies." I don't like "protestors." I don't like Hollyweird "celebrities." And I most assuredly don't like Cindy Sheehan.

But I'm glad you had a good time. :)

Ahhhh ... vitriol and talking points. I do so love NS General puppets. *snatches some of Bob's popcorn*

I've met her and spent some time with her. Have you?

She even invited me and a couple of friends to dinner. I had to decline because I have French class very early in the morning.

She didn't have an "agenda". She's a human.

She's not running for public office.

Spend 10 minutes with her. I did.

She was going to run for public office before she realize that she wouldn't have a chance in Hell doing so.

theres a slight difference to a threat and just blabbering about how Bush killed your son. one is developing nuclear facilities and the other is having a sit in

think about it
honestly, have you ever listened to cindy sheehan speak or are you just reacting to what you have heard.

Yes, I have now met, spoken with, and even hugged Cindy Sheehan. I stood by her side as she spoke, chanted with her, sang with her, and prayed with her for peace.

She is not the media whore the right-wingers are trying to make her out to be. She is a greiving mother looking for answers.

She was very approachable, very warm and open. There was no entourage to go through, no bodyguards, and no throngs of screaming fans one would normally associate with a media diva.

As the evening wore on, I gave her my coat because she was cold. She accepted it gladly and even wore it during a brief interview on camera (so my coat can be seen! woo!).

She's taller than I expected, very thin and tired looking, and smells great. She speaks well without pre-written speeches - something our President can't do with some of the best speech writers in the country!

All in all, she's a nice lady.

Once I get everything off the camera, I'll put up some pics of me and her together and some bonus pics of me and Mimi Kennedy! If you don't know, she played Dharma's mother on the sitcom "Dharma & Greg". She was there.

Veterans For Peace was there and several other groups were represented.

I do love a good peace rally.

You may now commence flaming Cindy.
I bet that would be one heckuva night. :) I certainly would enjoy the opportunity to meet her if I could.

Perhaps now, some of her harshest critics here will have to tone it down a bit?

Perhaps now, some of her harshest critics here will have to tone it down a bit?
Don't count on it. :p

I bet that would be one heckuva night. :) I certainly would enjoy the opportunity to meet her if I could.

Perhaps now, some of her harshest critics here will have to tone it down a bit?

They didn't, and they won't. Just like the Administration they parrot, they HATE dissent.

Ahhhh ... vitriol and talking points. I do so love NS General puppets. *snatches some of Bob's popcorn*
*brings a chair and some beers

I've met her and spent some time with her. Have you?

She even invited me and a couple of friends to dinner. I had to decline because I have French class very early in the morning.

She didn't have an "agenda". She's a human.

She's not running for public office.

Spend 10 minutes with her. I did.
That blows man. I missed out on an opportunity to see her speak at my college because of a class. Can you afford to miss the class?

On the other side of the issue I can't say I agree with her opinions but I respect her views. I find its always good to look at all the sides of an arguement instead of just staying with one.

I just think she's insane. Just insane, not an attention whore, not some liberial plot, not a traitor, just someone who completely and utterly fell apart.

She definitly has Post Tramatic Stress Syndrome. And her method of coping? Making the one she feels responsible, the one who Sweared before everyone that Saddam had hundreds of WMDs just lying around, who is supposed to make decisions to help our nation, not his fundraisers, to make George W. Bush, Suffer. That is her goal, to make him suffer, just like she has to suffer everyday. I bet her name makes him flinch now, at least I hope so.

It's too bad she didn't bother Cheeny, of course then he'd just take her Quail 'Hunting' with his shotgun and she would either be dead or in trouble for 'Getting in the way' of Cheeny's gun.

kuhl Keru! Can't wait to see the pictures. mind telling us of what she spoke of or of yoru conversation with her? Did you ask questions we might be interested in hearing her answers to? While I wait for your reply and the pics I am going to play Unreal Tournament! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Ahhhh ... vitriol and talking points. I do so love NS General puppets. *snatches some of Bob's popcorn*

I've met her and spent some time with her. Have you?

She even invited me and a couple of friends to dinner. I had to decline because I have French class very early in the morning.

She didn't have an "agenda". She's a human.

She's not running for public office.

Spend 10 minutes with her. I did.

She does have an agenda she's pushing, everyone does,in fact, your pushing an agenda right now. The agenda of making people believe that Cindy Sheehan is just a woman who wants to know what happened to her son.

Have you ever met with any other politician (Yes, Sheehan is a politician, she talks in public about politics and pushes an agenda, hence; politician) I have spent quiet a bit of time in the company of such. almost evry one was 'just a regular person' heck, I've met people who've talked with Tom Delay and had nothing but good things to say about him personally even thought hey thought his politics were the anti-christ. Like I said, The best Politicians don't act like politicians, and you can spend as much time in their presence as you care and they will never change that. If you ever spent time with GWB, you might've thought of him like some sort of rich Texan uncle.

That's just the way politics works. when Politicians are in 'meet the people' mode, you can't tell them apart from just reg'lar folks.

I'll be brutally honest here. I don't like "peace rallies." I don't like "protestors." I don't like Hollyweird "celebrities." And I most assuredly don't like Cindy Sheehan.

But I'm glad you had a good time. :)

Yes Forrest, each and every anti-war activist is specially trained to build up large amount of saliva to unleash on war vets. It's in the Standard Operations Manual.

:rolleyes:

I suppose you don't like Ronald Reagan and Arnold Schwarzenegger either, or are those just "special exceptions"?

Cindy Sheehan reminds me of the woman from Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 movie who has a son in the military. She spends the first half of the movie waving the flag and singing the praises of the American soldier's life, seemingly totally oblivious to the fact that there are consequences to that particular choice. Then her son dies in the line of duty and she does a complete reverse of opinion. Suddenly she is raising Hell and visiting Washington screaming about why her son had to die and why he had to go to war halfway across the world. I was disgusted by the woman in that movie and find Cindy Sheehan is no better.
No one forced her son into the military. It was a choice he (and probably his family) made. There were consequences to that choice but his personal opinions and his values, like that of any anyone willing to volunteer their life for the ideals of their country, were greater than the risk that he might not see those ideals to their fruition. Instead of crying in the spotlight, Cindy Sheehan should be celebrating her son's life and should be proud of the fact that her son believed in something--whether it was right, or wrong--enough that he gave his life for it.

I'll be brutally honest here. I don't like "peace rallies." I don't like "protestors." I don't like Hollyweird "celebrities." And I most assuredly don't like Cindy Sheehan.

But I'm glad you had a good time. :)


Ahhh ... Forest, Forest, Forest ....

I love you. I genuinely do.

I can only imagine, though, how your love for the veterans translates to those veterans who are for peace.

I thank you. I am glad every day of my life that there are people like you and if I met you personally, I would hug the stuffing out of you for defending my freedom.

That's all I have to say about that.

I'll be brutally honest here. I don't like "peace rallies." I don't like "protestors." I don't like Hollyweird "celebrities." And I most assuredly don't like Cindy Sheehan.

But I'm glad you had a good time. :)

After the experience of Vietnam era 'peace rallies' and such, I can't blame you for being cynical.

I suspect, that like many activists, there is the larger-than-life Cindy Sheehan that the cameras see. That image is full of exxagerated features, both good and bad, both agreeable and disagreeable. But I also suspect that there is a life-size Cindy Sheehan underneath the image which may have all those same characteristics but in typical human proportions with typical human desires and typical human grief. I further suspect that was the person Keruvalia met. Finally, I suspect that like most reasonably intelligent people forced into the spotlight and learning how to cope with it, she's probably a very nice person underneath that image.

Did you ask her if the representatives of the guy (Al Sadr) who's thugs killed her son were nice when she met with them?

Do any of the pics you took look like this?

http://static.flickr.com/28/92351097_583c474f1a_o.jpg


You need to find some new role models. She's a worthless bitch. Losing a son doesn't give you the right to be a treasonous whore.



EDIT - Incidentally, I don't see why you wouldn't like her, since you agree with her. I'll bet lots of people liked Nixon and thought he was a swell guy too.

You need to find some new role models. She's a worthless bitch. Losing a son doesn't give you the right to be a treasonous whore.

Don't sugarcoat it. Tell us what you really think. :p

Didn't she also get divorced 7 years ago and gave up her son, or kick him out of the house, something like that. Maybe someone else can clarify.

Did you ask her if the representatives of the guy (Al Sadr) who's thugs killed her son were nice when she met with them?

Do any of the pics you took look like this?

http://static.flickr.com/28/92351097_583c474f1a_o.jpg


You need to find some new role models. She's a worthless bitch. Losing a son doesn't give you the right to be a treasonous whore.

Honky, please.

I know you like to wank off to pictures of Chairman Bush wearing the flight suit "Mission Accomplished," but can you come up with specific proof that could have Cindy Sheehan charged with actual treason?

Or is it just more compressed air shooting out of your ass again?

Too bad you didn't mention you were going. I would have liked you to have asked her about the NPR interview.

She was supposed to talk to them. Got on, started talking aobut things. The interviewer started asking things about her son and why he didn't tell her he had signed up. There was mumbling in the background. Somebody said hangup.

She started going "hello? HELLO? oh bad connection" and hung up the phone.

If I hadn't of heard the hang up comment I would have thought nothing of it.

Ahh well.

Glad you went and had fun.....

Yes, I have now met, spoken with, and even hugged Cindy Sheehan. I stood by her side as she spoke, chanted with her, sang with her, and prayed with her for peace.

She is not the media whore the right-wingers are trying to make her out to be. She is a greiving mother looking for answers.

She was very approachable, very warm and open. There was no entourage to go through, no bodyguards, and no throngs of screaming fans one would normally associate with a media diva.

As the evening wore on, I gave her my coat because she was cold. She accepted it gladly and even wore it during a brief interview on camera (so my coat can be seen! woo!).

She's taller than I expected, very thin and tired looking, and smells great. She speaks well without pre-written speeches - something our President can't do with some of the best speech writers in the country!

All in all, she's a nice lady.

Once I get everything off the camera, I'll put up some pics of me and her together and some bonus pics of me and Mimi Kennedy! If you don't know, she played Dharma's mother on the sitcom "Dharma & Greg". She was there.

Veterans For Peace was there and several other groups were represented.

I do love a good peace rally.

You may now commence flaming Cindy.
Good for you, Keruvalia. I'm glad it went as well as it did.

Didn't she also get divorced 7 years ago and gave up her son, or kick him out of the house, something like that. Maybe someone else can clarify.
So, you are just looking for negative things to say about her and you are not even sure what they are or if they are factual or not? Kinda sad actually.

Too bad you didn't mention you were going. I would have liked you to have asked her about the NPR interview.

She was supposed to talk to them. Got on, started talking aobut things. The interviewer started asking things about her son and why he didn't tell her he had signed up. There was mumbling in the background. Somebody said hangup.

She started going "hello? HELLO? oh bad connection" and hung up the phone.

If I hadn't of heard the hang up comment I would have thought nothing of it.

Ahh well.

Glad you went and had fun.....
Actually, he did. I don't think it was a thread title though. It was atop a page on a related thread, IIRC.

Umm well apparently I was wrong, the reports that Cindy's son was actually raised by his dad was false. Ah well, we can't always bat a 1,000.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/sheehan.asp

She does have an agenda she's pushing, everyone does,in fact, your pushing an agenda right now.(Yes, Sheehan is a politician, she talks in public about politics and pushes an agenda, hence; politician)
Sagacious. That would make me a politician as well, then. Funny, i didn't feel that slimy ... at least not on the politics threads, anyway.

That's just the way politics works. when Politicians are in 'meet the people' mode, you can't tell them apart from just reg'lar folks.
That's when you have to use your Spideysense!
Or at least have a few extra $ to inspire a different topic line.

Actually, he did. I don't think it was a thread title though. It was atop a page on a related thread, IIRC.


Oh Ok!

Keru! If you can remember where I would like to read it!

What I heard on the radio lowered my opinion of her. I don't call her a bitch but I don't call her a hero as some have done.....

PROTESTING SOLDIER MOM CHANGED STORY ON BUSH (http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/data/2005/08/08/20050808_141400_flash4.htm)
Mon Aug 08 2005 10:11:07 ET

The mother of a fallen U.S. soldier who is holding a roadside peace vigil near President Bush's ranch -- has dramatically changed her account about what happened when she met the commander-in-chief last summer!

Cindy Sheehan, 48, of Vacaville, Calif., who last year praised Bush for bringing her family the "gift of happiness," took to the nation's TV outlets this weekend to declare how Bush "killed an indispensable part of our family and humanity."

CINDY 2004

THE REPORTER of Vacaville, CA published an account of Cindy Sheehan's visit with the president at Fort Lewis near Seattle on June 24, 2004:

"'I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis,' Cindy said after their meeting. 'I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith.'
"The meeting didn't last long, but in their time with Bush, Cindy spoke about Casey and asked the president to make her son's sacrifice count for something. They also spoke of their faith.

"The trip had one benefit that none of the Sheehans expected.

"For a moment, life returned to the way it was before Casey died. They laughed, joked and bickered playfully as they briefly toured Seattle.

For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again.

"'That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy said."

Oh Ok!

Keru! If you can remember where I would like to read it!

What I heard on the radio lowered my opinion of her. I don't call her a bitch but I don't call her a hero as some have done.....
Wouldn't that be the difference between a folk hero and a hero in the vernacular?
A lot of people have the same problem with Bush and frankly she appears to be the closest to a layperson that those aggrieved have, for now, about that particular issue.
I didn't hear the interview so i don't speak from the same perspective as yourself, obviously. But although i've never seen her as being my hero, i can understand other people being that way about it. It is a situation that conceivably came about for the exact REASON of the administration attempting to target her in its usual fashion?
Seriously, where did YOU hear about her first?
People shoot at the White House and you hear almost nothing about it. What's the dif here?

Seriously, where did YOU hear about her first?
People shoot at the White House and you hear almost nothing about it. What's the dif here?

Local news station when she was just starting. It didn't have any spin just one of those "this person is doing this" stories.

When she did her thing at crawford is when I noticed the nasty factor. That was about the time when NPR wanted to talk to her....

PROTESTING SOLDIER MOM CHANGED STORY ON BUSH (http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/data/2005/08/08/20050808_141400_flash4.htm)
Mon Aug 08 2005 10:11:07 ET

The mother of a fallen U.S. soldier who is holding a roadside peace vigil near President Bush's ranch -- has dramatically changed her account about what happened when she met the commander-in-chief last summer!

Cindy Sheehan, 48, of Vacaville, Calif., who last year praised Bush for bringing her family the "gift of happiness," took to the nation's TV outlets this weekend to declare how Bush "killed an indispensable part of our family and humanity."

CINDY 2004

THE REPORTER of Vacaville, CA published an account of Cindy Sheehan's visit with the president at Fort Lewis near Seattle on June 24, 2004:

"'I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis,' Cindy said after their meeting. 'I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith.'
"The meeting didn't last long, but in their time with Bush, Cindy spoke about Casey and asked the president to make her son's sacrifice count for something. They also spoke of their faith.

"The trip had one benefit that none of the Sheehans expected.

"For a moment, life returned to the way it was before Casey died. They laughed, joked and bickered playfully as they briefly toured Seattle.

For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again.

"'That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy said."Now we're in the happy territory of disintegrating platitudes and placation.
Not sure what you expected this far along, really. Maybe you think that she already got to meet him and that was good enough.
You know, you'd probably feel different if you were a grieving mother and saw things through her eyes .. which means you'll probably say that doesn't cover the others who aren't in the same circumstances ... well, fair enough. It's about as fair as claiming everyone who disagrees with the administration as "liberals" or "adhering to the liberal agenda".
Besides, hold the same standard to Bush's public statements about his excuses to get in there in the first place ... policy changes as the information changes?

Local news station when she was just starting. It didn't have any spin just one of those "this person is doing this" stories.

When she did her thing at crawford is when I noticed the nasty factor. That was about the time when NPR wanted to talk to her....
Please forgive me that i'm not as caught up in this issue (and if need be i'll recuse myself), but was the nasty factor before or after the arrested-for-the-shirt issue?
So when she was just starting, she made news where other mothers in the same boat didn't?
Is she a plant? How'd she get the first coverage again? Who's her agent, so to speak?

I don't post here often just read mostly but I have to chime in on this one.

There is a difference between dissidence and what many people on the FAR left are doing. By FAR left I'm talking about the Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan/hollywood crowd. They are no better then say Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coultor. They take smaller more trival facts and twist them to push there own agenda (Dan Rather anyone?). Ms. Sheehan took her son's death, which is tragic but so are the other 3,000 troops who died. Yet you dont see 3,000 mothers and 3,000 fathers lined up chanting and writing letters and on the news. Ever notice that? In the end the only person who can be blamed for her son's death, is her son. He CHOSE to join the military, he CHOSE to fight. He knew what might happen. He paid the biggest price that any one can pay. It sucks big time. But that does not give her the right to run around and say what ever she pleases and do what ever she wants just because she is a "grieving" mother. I had a friend die in Iraq too. We were all sadden by his loss but his parents were proud of what he did. They knew he died doing something he felt was right. But for Cindy Sheehan that is not enough she wants some one held responsible for her son's death. Thats the thing about war is you can't pin it on one person. Is it Bush's fault for sending troops, or better yet congress for approving it? Is it the insurgent who pulled the trigger or placed the bomb? She has every right to mourn her sons loss. I would never deny her that. But to drag his memory up to push what she belive is right, is not right.

Please forgive me that i'm not as caught up in this issue (and if need be i'll recuse myself), but was the nasty factor before or after the arrested-for-the-shirt issue?
So when she was just starting, she made news where other mothers in the same boat didn't?
Is she a plant? How'd she get the first coverage again? Who's her agent, so to speak?

I don't follow her that much either. However, it was before the shirt incident. Awhile ago in fact.

Don't remember the dates but I am sure somebody can say when her crawford thing went down. That was the nasty factor as in nasty comments started....

I also ask: why should Madam Media Whore get a second meeting with President Bush when plenty of families haven't gotten their first? What makes her so much more important that she deserves to meet with him again before anybody else gets their first chance?

She's a complete media whore and she's feeding off all of the attention the Communist Media gives her. Yet they don't mention that she regularly blames Jews for everything and they brush aside her visit with America-hating dictator Hugo Chavez as if it's nothing.

Answer that, you stupid hippies.

I also ask: why should Madam Media Whore get a second meeting with President Bush when plenty of families haven't gotten their first? What makes her so much more important that she deserves to meet with him again before anybody else gets their first chance?

She's a complete media whore and she's feeding off all of the attention the Communist Media gives her. Yet they don't mention that she regularly blames Jews for everything and they brush aside her visit with America-hating dictator Hugo Chavez as if it's nothing.

Answer that, you stupid hippies.

LOL! I'm just going to sit back and watch this unfold. *sits on laz-e-boy and eats popcorn*

I can't see her as anything but a Carolyn McCarthy type figure. I am sure she is nice enough in person, and there is no doubt she went through a terrible personal loss, but beyond that, I am not sure why her opinion is particularly relevant.

Yes, I have now met, spoken with, and even hugged Cindy Sheehan. I stood by her side as she spoke, chanted with her, sang with her, and prayed with her for peace.

She is not the media whore the right-wingers are trying to make her out to be. She is a greiving mother looking for answers.

She was very approachable, very warm and open. There was no entourage to go through, no bodyguards, and no throngs of screaming fans one would normally associate with a media diva.

As the evening wore on, I gave her my coat because she was cold. She accepted it gladly and even wore it during a brief interview on camera (so my coat can be seen! woo!).

She's taller than I expected, very thin and tired looking, and smells great. She speaks well without pre-written speeches - something our President can't do with some of the best speech writers in the country!

All in all, she's a nice lady.

Once I get everything off the camera, I'll put up some pics of me and her together and some bonus pics of me and Mimi Kennedy! If you don't know, she played Dharma's mother on the sitcom "Dharma & Greg". She was there.

Veterans For Peace was there and several other groups were represented.

I do love a good peace rally.

You may now commence flaming Cindy.

I am a proud Member of the United States Republican Party, and I would like to make it understood right now that I have nothing personal against Cindy Sheehan, and do not believe she is a media whore.

I just think she let the Left Wing abuse her situation is all.

~ Romandeos.

I just think she let the Left Wing abuse her situation is all.


It wasn't the left wing, it was the democrats.

I don't post here often just read mostly but I have to chime in on this one.

There is a difference between dissidence and what many people on the FAR left are doing.

*SNIP*

Ahh but you forget. Freedom of Speech doesn't have "rules" for you to speak out and protest.

Shrubby would probably love for them to follow some set of rules (protest zones) and basically not be seen.....

I am a proud Member of the United States Republican Party, and I would like to make it understood right now that I have nothing personal against Cindy Sheehan, and do not believe she is a media whore.

I just think she let the Left Wing abuse her situation is all.

~ Romandeos.

What's the difference between the left wing "abusing her situtation" and the right wing wraping themselves in the flag and talking about great amercian heros and sacrifice?

Yet they don't mention that she regularly blames Jews for everything
It's a good thing you can back that up with facts, easily garnered from the INTERNET that you're currently using, so you don't look like a buffoon from your statements. To avoid any confusion, of course.

Answer that, you stupid hippies.Whoa, maybe i spoke too soon on the bolded part.
"What's so funny 'bout peace love & happiness?"

Ahh but you forget. Freedom of Speech doesn't have "rules" for you to speak out and protest.

Shrubby would probably love for them to follow some set of rules (protest zones) and basically not be seen.....
I was refering to the demoralization of troops by the media. You win wars on moral, production and tactics. If you troops are not willing to fight they feel like their life is worthless in the eyes of the commanders and then they don't fight as hard. Its not the job of the media to push the will of the government on the people, but also they have the duty to keep their mouth shut if it will cause people die. Something the media in its current form does not do. I don't know how many people in this forum have gone to Iraq, but I've spoke to some of my instructors who were their for a year working with the army. They tell me that to them it seemed like they were winning the war till you turn on the news. I guess the old adage is true. "No news is good news"

I was refering to the demoralization of troops by the media. You win wars on moral, production and tactics. If you troops are not willing to fight they feel like their life is worthless in the eyes of the commanders and then they don't fight as hard. Its not the job of the media to push the will of the government on the people, but also they have the duty to keep their mouth shut if it will cause people die. Something the media in its current form does not do. I don't know how many people in this forum have gone to Iraq, but I've spoke to some of my instructors who were their for a year working with the army. They tell me that to them it seemed like they were winning the war till you turn on the news. I guess the old adage is true. "No news is good news"
Explain then Rush Limbaugh's exclusive contract when the invasion started and the protocol of Armed Forces Radio, if you would.
The troops that want to hear whatever they want to hear aren't going to be fed through the regular sources. They have to try harder.
The government DOESN'T have the right to control the media input to its CITIZENS. Don't confuse the two, you do great disservice to both.
I have a friend that just got back from there, AND he worked in INTEL, AND he can tell you what it's about. I've ALREADY talked to him about it. In fact, he's on the forums here too - he's the one that turned me onto it.

I also ask: why should Madam Media Whore get a second meeting with President Bush when plenty of families haven't gotten their first? What makes her so much more important that she deserves to meet with him again before anybody else gets their first chance?

She's a complete media whore and she's feeding off all of the attention the Communist Media gives her. Yet they don't mention that she regularly blames Jews for everything and they brush aside her visit with America-hating dictator Hugo Chavez as if it's nothing.

Answer that, you stupid hippies.

You know, the only ones bitching, sobbing and weeping about Cindy Sheehan even existing are you, Forrest and all the other NationStates Bushevik Brigade. Everyone else doesn't even have any particularly strong opinion... or obcession on her.

I guess that makes you a Media John then. Whores need Johns to stay in business, and there's no shortage of customers here on General willing to wank off to the "Cindy Sheehan >= Bin Ladin" fantasies she provides just by doing her own business.

:p

if no one else is willing to step up and ask questions, then we have to go with whoever IS willing to do so.

cindy sheehan shouldnt be THE voice of the anti-war movement, everyone who has doubts about why we are there and who feel that we have gone the wrong way should speak up.

if we all represent our own point of view, the message will be heard. from the grieving parents who wonder why their son or daughter had to die to the congressman who feels duped to the college student who feels that all war is wrong to the military vet who favors a strong defense but feels that this war is ill advised.

dont fault cindy sheehan for being in the spotlight, wonder where everyone else is.


There are other people, but they're generally dismissed. I get so tired of the way people who changed their opinions on the war based on the death of someone close are taken more seriously than the people who called the war out as imperialism (which it is) from the start.

Anyone who reads Rolling Stone, you may remember an article criticizing the fact that the major anti-war protests are organized by leftist anti-globalization groups that alienate gold star mother for peace etc. It had an extremely derisive tone and treated leftist as devious opportunists willing to climb on the backs of "regular Americans" in order to promote their agenda, when the truth is that they organized the event, and it's their business what is said. Yes, everyone should be able to speak, but little attention is given to those who have less politically correct views regarding war and the troops.

But then, protests don't do much anyway, it's direct action that accomplishes things.

there are better anti-war symbols then her that will still around after shes had her fifteen minutes of fame, like Thiepval

There are other people, but they're generally dismissed. I get so tired of the way people who changed their opinions on the war based on the death of someone close are taken more seriously than the people who called the war out as imperialism (which it is) from the start.

Anyone who reads Rolling Stone, you may remember an article criticizing the fact that the major anti-war protests are organized by leftist anti-globalization groups that alienate gold star mother for peace etc. It had an extremely derisive tone and treated leftist as devious opportunists willing to climb on the backs of "regular Americans" in order to promote their agenda, when the truth is that they organized the event, and it's their business what is said. Yes, everyone should be able to speak, but little attention is given to those who have less politically correct views regarding war and the troops.

But then, protests don't do much anyway, it's direct action that accomplishes things.
The Rolling Stone "anti-leftist" or derisive of the left? I gotta see a link to that.

Yes, I have now met, spoken with, and even hugged Cindy Sheehan. I stood by her side as she spoke, chanted with her, sang with her, and prayed with her for peace.

She is not the media whore the right-wingers are trying to make her out to be. She is a greiving mother looking for answers.

She was very approachable, very warm and open. There was no entourage to go through, no bodyguards, and no throngs of screaming fans one would normally associate with a media diva.

As the evening wore on, I gave her my coat because she was cold. She accepted it gladly and even wore it during a brief interview on camera (so my coat can be seen! woo!).

She's taller than I expected, very thin and tired looking, and smells great. She speaks well without pre-written speeches - something our President can't do with some of the best speech writers in the country!

All in all, she's a nice lady.

Once I get everything off the camera, I'll put up some pics of me and her together and some bonus pics of me and Mimi Kennedy! If you don't know, she played Dharma's mother on the sitcom "Dharma & Greg". She was there.

Veterans For Peace was there and several other groups were represented.

I do love a good peace rally.

You may now commence flaming Cindy.

Couldn't we just fluffle her to death?

:fluffle: You :fluffle: fluffy :fluffle: little :fluffle: democrat :fluffle: you:fluffle:

The Rolling Stone "anti-leftist" or derisive of the left? I gotta see a link to that.

I dunno if the article is online, but they weren't exactly derisive of the left, they're derisive of anyone who falls left of the democratic party. They spent the article praising Cindy Sheehan and her ilk at the expense of the people who made the protest happen (United for Peace and Justice and the A.N.S.W.E.R Coalition)

Clarification: I don't support ANSWER because they are (I've heard) a front for the Revolutionary Communist Party (or Revolutionary Cultist Party) that engage in a cult of personality and leader worship centered around their Maoist leader, Chairman Bob.

The voice of the anti-war movement should NOT, under any circumstances, be someone who only wants to get answers about her son.

The anti-war movement should be spoken for by (well preferably by a variety of people) someone who oppossed the war from the start because of moral objections, someone who understands that the answer is not to bring the troops home so they can be deployed somewhere else. Cindy Sheehan's grieving, while it is important to her, will not solve any problems.
Yes, the problem with her is that she is motivated by personal emotion and not by universal, rational reasons to oppose the war.

somewhat, she had a protest, she got media attention, she got huge media attention, she has annoyed some of her family, she got more attention, and here she is again getting attention.

conclusion, attention whore, after she got some attention she wont be happy untill she gets more
Claiming that everyone who gets attention is an attention whore is illogical. You disregard the other factors and variables.

I'll be brutally honest here. I don't like "peace rallies." I don't like "protestors." I don't like Hollyweird "celebrities."
Free speech and anti-militarism sure do suck, don't they. :rolleyes:

Sheehan is not from Hollywood, or Hollyweird.

Perhaps now, some of her harshest critics here will have to tone it down a bit?
No, as Paul Simon once sang, "a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."

Don't count on it. :p
What did I tell you, Canuck? ;)

[I]PROTESTING SOLDIER MOM CHANGED STORY ON BUSH (http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/data/2005/08/08/20050808_141400_flash4.htm)

The Drudge Report?
Does this even need to be responded to?
Drudges comments were taken from the June 24th article in The Reporter. This is well known and the link to the article costs a $1.95. It's not worth two dollars for me to argue about but on the Media Matters website there is more of what she said in that very same article:

"We haven't been happy with the way the war has been handled," Cindy said. "The president has changed his reasons for being over there every time a reason is proven false or an objective reached."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200508100009

From a reporter of the newspaper:

"Reporter editor Diane Barney also responded to Drudge in an Aug. 9 column, in which she said that Sheehan's positions on Bush and the war have not changed since June 2004. "We don't think there has been a dramatic turnaround. Clearly, Cindy Sheehan's outrage was festering even then," Barney wrote. "In ensuing months, she has grown more focused, more determined, more aggressive. ... We invite readers to revisit the story -- in context -- on our Web site and decide for themselves." An Aug. 8 Editor & Publisher article quoted Barney further clarifying the paper's position: "It's important that readers see the full context of the story, instead of just selected portions. We stand by the story as an accurate reflection of the Sheehan's take on the meeting at the time it was published.""
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=51584

You're entitled to your opinion regarding anyone but you might try checking a little closer to the source than "Drudge".

She's a complete media whore and she's feeding off all of the attention the Communist Media gives her. Yet they don't mention that she regularly blames Jews for everything and they brush aside her visit with America-hating dictator Hugo Chavez as if it's nothing.

Answer that, you stupid hippies.
Ahahahahaha! The lies are in bold.

I also ask: why should Madam Media Whore get a second meeting with President Bush when plenty of families haven't gotten their first? What makes her so much more important that she deserves to meet with him again before anybody else gets their first chance?

She's a complete media whore and she's feeding off all of the attention the Communist Media gives her. Yet they don't mention that she regularly blames Jews for everything and they brush aside her visit with America-hating dictator Hugo Chavez as if it's nothing.

Answer that, you stupid hippies.

The Media is Communist? Then why the heck is it run by Private Companies?

Blames Jews... Right...

Hey if you hate Chavez so much why don't you tell him?
I mean he has email supposedly.

The Media is Communist? Then why the heck is it run by Private Companies?

Blames Jews... Right...

Hey if you hate Chavez so much why don't you tell him?
I mean he has email supposedly.

i'll try to explain this again:

there's a business side to a media outlet

there's a news/editorial side to a media outlet

the business side is interested primarily in selling ad space so that the outlet can make money

the news/ed side is interested solely in reporting news as they see it through their cognitive lens (bias)


which is why you can have news/ed that is liberally biased (vast majority in the US are...) and a business side that's owned by major re[publican contributors.

Oye, Rojo Cubano, cállate una vez.

Aye Keru. You can't convince anyone who hates that they might be wrong. Just as I tried to inform ardent Cuba-haters that it's not a country patrolled by communist death-squads, you are trying to let people know that Sheehan isn't the devil. But these people really, really need their bogeymen. Don't take that away...it's all they have.

The Drudge Report?
Does this even need to be responded to?
Drudges comments were taken from the June 24th article in The Reporter. This is well known and the link to the article costs a $1.95. It's not worth two dollars for me to argue about but on the Media Matters website there is more of what she said in that very same article:

"We haven't been happy with the way the war has been handled," Cindy said. "The president has changed his reasons for being over there every time a reason is proven false or an objective reached."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200508100009

From a reporter of the newspaper:

"Reporter editor Diane Barney also responded to Drudge in an Aug. 9 column, in which she said that Sheehan's positions on Bush and the war have not changed since June 2004. "We don't think there has been a dramatic turnaround. Clearly, Cindy Sheehan's outrage was festering even then," Barney wrote. "In ensuing months, she has grown more focused, more determined, more aggressive. ... We invite readers to revisit the story -- in context -- on our Web site and decide for themselves." An Aug. 8 Editor & Publisher article quoted Barney further clarifying the paper's position: "It's important that readers see the full context of the story, instead of just selected portions. We stand by the story as an accurate reflection of the Sheehan's take on the meeting at the time it was published.""
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=51584

You're entitled to your opinion regarding anyone but you might try checking a little closer to the source than "Drudge".


Drudge may not be correct about everything, but he was right about the blue dress.

That aside, I find it interesting that the wind seems to have gone out of the Sheehan sails.

I saw an auction on EBay put by by the DailyKos, where they were trying to sell a speaking engagement with Sheehan, and after two weeks, the bid hadn't gone over 900 dollars.

I sympathize with her grief, and she's entitled to oppose the war, but I don't agree with her, and I do feel that she's being used as a tool.

BTW, that book signing where almost no one showed up was a classic.

Drudge may not be correct about everything, but he was right about the blue dress.

That aside, I find it interesting that the wind seems to have gone out of the Sheehan sails.

I saw an auction on EBay put by by the DailyKos, where they were trying to sell a speaking engagement with Sheehan, and after two weeks, the bid hadn't gone over 900 dollars.

I sympathize with her grief, and she's entitled to oppose the war, but I don't agree with her, and I do feel that she's being used as a tool.

BTW, that book signing where almost no one showed up was a classic.
And my broken watch tells me the precise time of day every 12 hours.

It's hard to like Cindy Sheehan for more than a couple of reasons but she's not a traitor and she's been consistent. I agree with her questions and if Bush feels he doesn't have to answer them personally, then he should answer them to the general public.

I was refering to the demoralization of troops by the media. You win wars on moral, production and tactics."
So how exactly should anti-war people express their dissent? Everything they say causes them to be accused of demoralising the troops.

The Rolling Stone "anti-leftist" or derisive of the left? I gotta see a link to that.
Most of the US media is against the left. Not against the Democrats. Against the real left.

I think she was successful in getting Bush to pull his troops out of "occupied New Orleans". :rolleyes:

And my broken watch tells me the precise time of day every 12 hours.

It's hard to like Cindy Sheehan for more than a couple of reasons but she's not a traitor and she's been consistent. I agree with her questions and if Bush feels he doesn't have to answer them personally, then he should answer them to the general public.
Never said she was a traitor. Read my post.

I saw an auction on EBay put by by the DailyKos, where they were trying to sell a speaking engagement with Sheehan, and after two weeks, the bid hadn't gone over 900 dollars.

Sort of an aside, sort not ...
who would YOU personally pay $900 dollars to for attendance to a speaking engagement? Especially given the nature of the internet ...?
Even if i was a fan of hers i wouldn't pay THAT much. It's not a question of "having more/spending more", it's a simple understanding of actual value.
It STILL wouldn't be worth $900 to me if she broke down and professed a torrid affair she and Bush had in the Presidential limo that involved guacamole and feathers. As funny as that is, it's only really worth that kind of $ if you can make it back somewhat, like a journalist or something along those lines.


...
And another side, whatchu talkin' 'bout on the "apology" thread, anyway?

So how exactly should anti-war people express their dissent? Everything they say causes them to be accused of demoralising the troops.Largely true.



Most of the US media is against the left. Not against the Democrats. Against the real left.
Might be, it isn't something i invest much energy in (although it may appear so) - further i really don't have the #'s to back it up or refute it. It's just that given the issues and facts brought up in the "National Affairs" section (and related) of The Rolling Stone tend to be quite extensive and interesting, and i don't see much in the way of attacking the "real left" so much as taking on administration malfeasance. Unless you mean something different than i do in the term "real left".

Never said she was a traitor. Read my post.
No, I know. But it was the reason for me getting involved in the discussion. That comment wasn't intended to imply that you said that.

Sort of an aside, sort not ...
who would YOU personally pay $900 dollars to for attendance to a speaking engagement? Especially given the nature of the internet ...?

Jessica Alba, naked. Not that I would hear her talk, because all the blood would rush from my brain...

I personally just can't stand her, she's annoying as fuck.

Jessica Alba, naked. Not that I would hear her talk, because all the blood would rush from my brain...
Moddamnit, boy,
Stop making sense!
:D

Ya got me. A good use of $900. Mmmmm. Mmmm again, for effect ...
Up here in AK, we get dividends that hover around that amount. Usually we use them to offset our utility bills, but an exception could be made in certain cases ... ;)

Might be, it isn't something i invest much energy in (although it may appear so) - further i really don't have the #'s to back it up or refute it. It's just that given the issues and facts brought up in the "National Affairs" section (and related) of The Rolling Stone tend to be quite extensive and interesting, and i don't see much in the way of attacking the "real left" so much as taking on administration malfeasance. Unless you mean something different than i do in the term "real left".
Criticising Bush doesn't make them left-wing (like those anti-globalisation groups they hate.)

Criticising Bush doesn't make them left-wing (like those anti-globalisation groups they hate.)
Agreed. It's too bad that "rightwingers" can't seem to make that kind of discrimination. All or nothing works just fine in that philosophy, apparently.

Agreed. It's too bad that "rightwingers" can't seem to make that kind of discrimination. All or nothing works just fine in that philosophy, apparently.

Really? I seem to make political distinction of all types... :rolleyes:

It's a good thing you can back that up with facts, easily garnered from the INTERNET that you're currently using, so you don't look like a buffoon from your statements. To avoid any confusion, of course.

Whoa, maybe i spoke too soon on the bolded part.
"What's so funny 'bout peace love & happiness?"

I think the whole jewish thing revolved around a statement she made. I found an article from Slate on it but aside from that I'm drawing a blank for that posters statement.

http://www.slate.com/id/2124500/?nav/fo/

Really, I just don’t like the women. And she is a media whore whether you like it or not. She didn’t even raise her son., so I see no reason for her “grief.”
The anit-war movement needs real martyrs, not ones who would disagree, were they alive.

Really, I just don’t like the women. And she is a media whore whether you like it or not. She didn’t even raise her son., so I see no reason for her “grief.”
The anit-war movement needs real martyrs, not ones who would disagree, were they alive.
I would feel more sympathy if her son had been unwillingly drafted.

But he volunteered.

I think the whole jewish thing revolved around a statement she made. I found an article from Slate on it but aside from that I'm drawing a blank for that posters statement.

http://www.slate.com/id/2124500/?nav/fo/
Ah - thanks for punching that up! *bows*


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Okay, i read it, and that anti-semitic bullsh*t is just that. It's WAAAY too big a stretch to imply that. A simpler explanation is understanding that she's not keen on our military's function being solely reinforcement of CFR/PNAC administrative agendas.
And that topic's been done pretty well and gone here, IME.

Really? I seem to make political distinction of all types... :rolleyes:
Certainly you noted the ""'s i employed when i said, "rightwingers" ... i was thusly implying a generalization, of caricature. Which is pretty accurate, most "rightwingers" in my experience DON'T BOTHER to discriminate from what's what, or to see how many wonderful hues of gray there are ...
You've discerned yourself as being more than that to me, and i have noted and posted as such ...
certainly you don't see yourself as a caricature?

Certainly you noted the ""'s i employed when i said, "rightwingers" ... i was thusly implying a generalization, of caricature. Which is pretty accurate, most "rightwingers" in my experience DON'T BOTHER to discriminate from what's what, or to see how many wonderful hues of gray there are ...
You've discerned yourself as being more than that to me, and i have noted and posted as such ...
certainly you don't see yourself as a caricature?

No, but a fair number of people do see me as a caricature...

I would feel more sympathy if her son had been unwillingly drafted.

But he volunteered.
Precisely. In my opinion, he deserved to die.

No, but a fair number of people do see me as a caricature...
Well, i did too, at first, which is why i was such an arsehole about it at first.
As i said, though, you've proven otherwise. *nods*

Precisely. In my opinion, he deserved to die.

Your opinion sucks. :p

Might be, it isn't something i invest much energy in (although it may appear so) - further i really don't have the #'s to back it up or refute it. It's just that given the issues and facts brought up in the "National Affairs" section (and related) of The Rolling Stone tend to be quite extensive and interesting, and i don't see much in the way of attacking the "real left" so much as taking on administration malfeasance. Unless you mean something different than i do in the term "real left".

Rolling Stone don't often criticize the radical left (they don't bother with it usually), but they did in this article about the September 24th protest in Washington DC (which I was a part of). It's a mainstream magazine (which is fine) and they aren't comfortable with anything outside of the mainstream, that's all.

Ah - thanks for punching that up! *bows*
No problem. I remebered reading it awhile back and it just came to mind when I read that posters reply. I can only think that the poster either misinterpreted something like that or has assumed even further from that statement. Either way I don't really know which it is.



Okay, i read it, and that anti-semitic bullsh*t is just that. It's WAAAY too big a stretch to imply that. A simpler explanation is understanding that she's not keen on our military's function being solely reinforcement of CFR/PNAC administrative agendas.
And that topic's been done pretty well and gone here, IME.
Well the language she uses seems kind of conspiracy theorist crazy to me but I don't think its enough to label her an anti semite. Though it should teach her a lesson on being careful what you say to the media.

oh i just love it!!!! someone has an opinion on an issue they feel very strongly about as does at least half the nation, so they speak out and then the republicans put the spin doctors on her and suddenly she's unamerican for speaking her mind..

Forgive me if i am wrong but isn't this stupid war being fought to protect our democracy and freedom at home? And isn't Sindy just exercising that right?

if more people actually did something like she did instead of waiting for someone else to do it maybe we might actually get the republicans and right wing zealots under control again...

well i can dream can't i?

oh i just love it!!!! someone has an opinion on an issue they feel very strongly about as does at least half the nation, so they speak out and then the republicans put the spin doctors on her and suddenly she's unamerican for speaking her mind..

Forgive me if i am wrong but isn't this stupid war being fought to protect our democracy and freedom at home? And isn't Sindy just exercising that right?

if more people actually did something like she did instead of waiting for someone else to do it maybe we might actually get the republicans and right wing zealots under control again...

well i can dream can't i?

More importantly, she is exercising that right properly by protesting the leadership of this nation and not the military. You don't see her outside military funerals with sign saying that the dead person deserved what he got or that God hates America and stuff like that.

I also ask: why should Madam Media Whore get a second meeting with President Bush when plenty of families haven't gotten their first? What makes her so much more important that she deserves to meet with him again before anybody else gets their first chance?

She's a complete media whore and she's feeding off all of the attention the Communist Media gives her. Yet they don't mention that she regularly blames Jews for everything and they brush aside her visit with America-hating dictator Hugo Chavez as if it's nothing.

Answer that, you stupid hippies.

OK lets follow your logic here for a minute.. if Sheehan is a media whore then Karl Rove, Cheney, Karen Hues and the rest of the Bush adminstration must be media Pimp Magnets.. Rove has been exposed for openly courting the religious right and then making it policy.. give me a break u cant have it both ways

No problem. I remebered reading it awhile back and it just came to mind when I read that posters reply. I can only think that the poster either misinterpreted something like that or has assumed even further from that statement. Either way I don't really know which it is.
It seems to me that the p'rs opinion was already made up, and the more embellishment they made, the less difference there really would be to them.




Well the language she uses seems kind of conspiracy theorist crazy to me but I don't think its enough to label her an anti semite. Though it should teach her a lesson on being careful what you say to the media.
Well it would seem that advice would have served her better BEFORE she took the photo-op with Chavez. That was a hot item and i'm pretty sure she knew it.
There's enough to qualify her opinion of the PNAC/CFR, IMO. Really, every country is a conspiracy of sorts, and when you have major foreign relations problems, it seems to be conjunction of conspiracies.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

When the hell was there a peace rally in Houston... Ever?

*I'm assuming that since our city's media is really biased, they never even reported it. Would've been nice if they did...

Rolling Stone don't often criticize the radical left (they don't bother with it usually), but they did in this article about the September 24th protest in Washington DC (which I was a part of). It's a mainstream magazine (which is fine) and they aren't comfortable with anything outside of the mainstream, that's all.
Do you read their "Get Your War On" cartoon in the intro?
What aspect of mainstream is that?

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

When the hell was there a peace rally in Houston... Ever?

*I'm assuming that since our city's media is really biased, they never even reported it. Would've been nice if they did...

It was on the news. I was even on the WB. ooooh.

All the networks were there. Even Telemundo.

http://www.khou.com/news/local/houstonmetro/stories/khou060220_cd_sheehan.489c5f91.html

That's the channel 11 coverage at least.

... Cindy wouldn't have made this such a big deal if Bush had been Chief Citizen and came out to talk to her for five minutes.

he met w/ her in june 2004.

It was on the news. I was even on the WB. ooooh.

All the networks were there. Even Telemundo.

http://www.khou.com/news/local/houstonmetro/stories/khou060220_cd_sheehan.489c5f91.html

That's the channel 11 coverage at least.

Oh, yesterday. I don't think I even had the TV on until about 10:00 PM that day. :p

he met w/ her in june 2004.

"Met", eh? You mean when he came out to the croud, dressed in a Hawaiian shirt and shorts, and made a comment in a chuckly voice? I hardly call that a meeting.

"Met", eh? You mean when he came out to the croud, dressed in a Hawaiian shirt and shorts, and made a comment in a chuckly voice? I hardly call that a meeting.
I think M'sieu Bush regards performing his morning toilette as conducting a meeting.

Do you read their "Get Your War On" cartoon in the intro?
What aspect of mainstream is that?

Well I cancelled my subscription in favor of Maximum Rocknroll, because the music in Rolling Stone sucks worse than their politics, but yeah I remember it. It's very liberal, but not really beyond the left wing of the Democratic party (like the Progressive Democrats of America for instance). It's mainstream in the sense that it never considers ideologies beyond the Democratic party or at the very most Ralph Nader (and probably just to moan about how he would have taken votes away from John Kerry).

Rolling Stone is a magazine about mainstream celebrities and with liberal take on politics. Liberalism is still part of the mainstream. Radical leftism isn't.

It's not really a problem with the magazine, it's their business what they print. I was just disgusted with their derrogatory treatment of the people who organized the protest I went to and supported that I chose to take my money elsewhere.

I think M'sieu Bush regards performing his morning toilette as conducting a meeting.

Yeah, probably so. :p

When can we expect those pictures daddio?

When can we expect those pictures daddio?

Very soon. Most likely tomorrow afternoon. I have to download stuff off my video camera and pull out some stills. Got some film I need to develop, too.

I've been lazy. Sorry.

It was on the news. I was even on the WB. ooooh.

All the networks were there. Even Telemundo.

http://www.khou.com/news/local/houstonmetro/stories/khou060220_cd_sheehan.489c5f91.html

That's the channel 11 coverage at least.

Ok I blinked. Where were you? :p

In my opinion, Cindy Sheehan is nothing more than an attention-whore who uses her son's death to push foward her agenda.

Cindy Sheehan is also a Jew-hating anti-Semetic Chavez-loving America-hater.Go to school please.

Nation of Quebec']In my opinion, Cindy Sheehan is nothing more than an attention-whore who uses her son's death to push foward her agenda.
Which is what? Peace? Truth from the Bush Administration?

Which is what? Peace? Truth from the Bush Administration?

Uh, undermining Bush's authority? Disrespecting America's soldiers? Trying to make the nation weak from the inside by all these stupid protests? Making the terrorists look good? Peace with people (the terrorists) who want to blow us up?

Ok I blinked. Where were you? :p

Lol ... I didn't make it so much on the 11 coverage. You can kinda see me in a couple of the shots. Look for long hair and a mustard yellow, long sleeved shirt.

Hooray!

Here's a pic of me with the delightful Cindy.

http://www.unlc.biz/images/Protest%20015_0001.jpg

We're kinda squinty, but the sun is behind the camera. It's a still from a video clip. More to come as I sort stuff out and when the 35mm film gets developed.

Nation of Quebec']Uh, undermining Bush's authority?
Yes, probably. But in America we are ruled by laws, not men. Bush's authority, such as it is, rests with the people. He is elected to serve. He is not elected to rule. If citizens of this country wish to contest his authority, then the most fundamental principles of our nation state that they have the right to do so.
Nation of Quebec']
Disrespecting America's soldiers?
Many soldiers march with her. Do not presume to speak for them. Soldiers are just like the rest of us in that they have a range of beliefs. Some soldiers feel that what Cindy Sheehan is doing is wonderful; others feel the opposite. Either way, it is not disrespectful to soldiers for an American citizen to exercise the freedoms that the soldiers are fighting to uphold.

Nation of Quebec']
Trying to make the nation weak from the inside by all these stupid protests?
America was FOUNDED on protest. The strongest, bravest, proudest moments in our history have come from protest, and the most enduring glory of this country is the legacy of liberty and freedom to dissent. To claim that American is made weak by protest is like claiming that an arch is made weak by its keystone.

Nation of Quebec']
Making the terrorists look good? Peace with people (the terrorists) who want to blow us up?
Some of us are not prepared to be ruled by fear. Some of us are unwilling to give up our country just to "make terrorists look bad." Some of us believe that "THEY STARTED IT!!!" is not an argument that grown adults should be using to justify ongoing senseless slaughter.

Hooray!

Here's a pic of me with the delightful Cindy.

http://www.unlc.biz/images/Protest%20015_0001.jpg

We're kinda squinty, but the sun is behind the camera. It's a still from a video clip. More to come as I sort stuff out and when the 35mm film gets developed.


Hooray indeed! Nice picture! :)

I sure hope the Inquirer doesnt get a hold of it. I can see it now "Cindy and her new boyfriend cause a ruckus!" lol

Hooray!

Here's a pic of me with the delightful Cindy.

http://www.unlc.biz/images/Protest%20015_0001.jpg

We're kinda squinty, but the sun is behind the camera. It's a still from a video clip. More to come as I sort stuff out and when the 35mm film gets developed.


THATS where my green shirt went!

I personally really don't care what the woman says or does, everyone ahs a right, but it hurts my brain to listen to her speak... its like...uhhh..... it uh... might uh....



AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :headbang: *splat*

I sure hope the Inquirer doesnt get a hold of it. I can see it now "Cindy and her new boyfriend cause a ruckus!" lol

It's even better if you see the Houston WB station coverage. There's a full face shot of me bellowing "Peace! Now!" from their coverage (I want a copy of that tape).

Also, on the Telemundo broadcast, they have a few seconds of me and Sheehan standing next to each other chanting "Bush lied, thousands died!" I definately want that tape.

Mmmmmm ... freedom.

THATS where my green shirt went!

Ummm ... I ... that is .... *runs away*

Hooray!

Here's a pic of me with the delightful Cindy.

http://www.unlc.biz/images/Protest%20015_0001.jpg

We're kinda squinty, but the sun is behind the camera. It's a still from a video clip. More to come as I sort stuff out and when the 35mm film gets developed.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you look a little like Charles Manson. :eek:

Don't take this the wrong way, but you look a little like Charles Manson. :eek:

My beard's better. :p

My beard's better. :p

That's because he isn't allowed sharp instruments to trim it properly. :p

You be the judge:

http://www.unlc.biz/images/Protest%20015_0001.jpg

http://www.crimelibrary.com/graphics/photos/notorious_murders/mass/john_frazier/1-1Charles-Manson.jpg

:eek:

That's because he isn't allowed sharp instruments to trim it properly. :p

What's really fascinating is that Cindy looks like the Chicken-Lady from "Kids in the Hall". Manson and the Chicken-Lady! I smell a sit-com.

You be the judge:

:eek:

Doh! My secret is out! Must create puppet ... quick!

Keru's dead ... yes ... that's it ... dead ...

What's really fascinating is that Cindy looks like the Chicken-Lady from "Kids in the Hall". Manson and the Chicken-Lady! I smell a sit-com.

YAY! :D

I'd watch.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you look a little like Charles Manson. :eek:

Nah, Richard Karn.

100% behind Cindy Sheehan..she has a right to be accounted for, we all do...and our worthless piece of shit "commander in chief" needs to be held accountable for his dishonesty, arrogance, and incompetence.
Thats my opinion

Nah, Richard Karn.

I'm way taller than he is. :D

Don't take this the wrong way, but you look a little like Charles Manson. :eek:

LMAO! He does!!!

And Keru is a bit of a hippie too...hahaha. :p

I'll bet lots of people liked Nixon and thought he was a swell guy too.

Not really. He wasn't very charismatic. I'd say he was a good President though, all in all. Not immune to corruption, but he did his job.

I've met her and spent some time with her. Have you?

She even invited me and a couple of friends to dinner. I had to decline because I have French class very early in the morning.

She didn't have an "agenda". She's a human.

She's not running for public office.

Spend 10 minutes with her. I did.

Yeah, she's human. And humans have agendas. You oughtta know that.

So she's not running for public office, but she sure seems to spend more time on camera than any sane mother would, grief and dead son or no. You say she's just looking for answers, but tell me why she seeks them on television?

Yeah, she's human. And humans have agendas. You oughtta know that.
I think he probably meant that her personal "agenda" is not the sinister, evil, anti-American one that many attribute to her. In other words, I think he is saying that her "agenda" is exactly what she says it is.


So she's not running for public office, but she sure seems to spend more time on camera than any sane mother would, grief and dead son or no.

Now there's a bizarre claim. So no sane mother would want to be on camera, you say? What is it that makes it crazy? The fact that there are angry mothers? The fact that they are insisting on being heard? The fact that they have taken advantage of modern media in order to make their statements? What is so crazy about activists expressing their outrage at what they perceive as a serious crisis?

Personally, I'm shocked that there aren't more Cindy Sheehans. If I believed that my child had died in an unjust war, perpetrated by leaders who have failed in their duty to provide for the very soldiers who are putting their lives on the line, I would be shrieking into every bloody news camera I could find.


You say she's just looking for answers, but tell me why she seeks them on television?
Quit playing stupid. You know exactly why she's on television. Because neither she, nor any other American citizen, seems able to get a straight answer from the Bush administration. She wants answers, and so do over half the citizens of this country. People like Sheehan, whether you personally agree with them or not, make themselves public to call attention to the issue, and to let others know that they aren't alone in wondering why the hell this war is such a fucked up disaster.

Sheehan should not be our guiding star on political opinions, in the same way a grieving mother should not sit on the jury that tries her son or daughter's killer. She has a perspective, and as a grieving mother, would have a hard time seeing things any other way.

A local talk show host constantly says, "you cannot support the troops while opposing the war." I disagree with that opinion, but assuming he is right, my next point would then be, "So what? The troops have an obligation to me, not vica versa. My concern for the troops should be neither more nor less than my concern for other Americans. I love the soldiers and what they do, but they need to suck it up and do as their told (that's what they volunteered for, and were hired, to do). We have an obligation, as Americans, to make decisions that benefit America (with respect to other countries, and the troops, of course). If that means pulling out all troops tomorrow, that's what that means. If that means keeping troops there until the job is done, that's what that means. If the answer lies in the middle, that's what that means. Enough of this B.S. about me and my patriotism. It's you that is being unpatirotic by compromising our strong democratic tradition just because we are at war."

I think he probably meant that her personal "agenda" is not the sinister, evil, anti-American one that many attribute to her. In other words, I think he is saying that her "agenda" is exactly what she says it is.


Well, there's always exagerration. But I still would have no idea what her personal agenda is, particularly if it's one of those subconscious things like a need for attention. Even if I met her for a few times in person - I'm not psychic, am I?

Now there's a bizarre claim. So no sane mother would want to be on camera, you say?

Sorry, I meant *and exploiting the death of her son multiple times for a bunch of drooling journalists for weeks and months and years.

The fact that they have taken advantage of modern media in order to make their statements?

Wait, just how can you tell who's taking advantage of whom in that situation? I think it might well be the other way around.

Personally, I'm shocked that there aren't more Cindy Sheehans. If I believed that my child had died in an unjust war, perpetrated by leaders who have failed in their duty to provide for the very soldiers who are putting their lives on the line, I would be shrieking into every bloody news camera I could find.

Maybe she's just better at finding news cameras than those who don't step-to the Democratic Party's line?


Quit playing stupid. You know exactly why she's on television. Because neither she, nor any other American citizen, seems able to get a straight answer from the Bush administration.

I'm not stupid, playing or otherwise. I'm not claiming to know exactly what she wants and why.

And if any American citizen can't get on TV but supposedly would want to, why haven't they? As you said, you were shocked there aren't more Sheehans. Why not? Do other people have more dignity when it comes to the media, politics, and their family, perhaps?

It's bad enough the kid dies in a war that is basically pointless. But then to become a "cause" for the media... blah. Necro-prostitution is what it seems like to me.