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After a barbarian Era of Rock & Roll, cult music has developed to an extend that for some even goes beyond classical. Many Ambient has melodies of the level of Classical, the second wave of Black Metal derives it's riffs directly from classical music theory. Noise music pioneers new methods of achieve a pleasurable sound that go beyond melody and rithm. Trance is combining unclassifiable and misterious emotions with thick atmospheres. The Avant-Garde genres are experimenting with new instruments and technology to create sounds unheared of even months ago. Technical Metal is intergrating complex dynamic rithms with guitars. Industrial EBM actually succeeded in creating music that is both danceable as having melodies based on classical music theory. Intelligent Dance Music combines electronic danceable instruments and sounds with dynamic rithms.

Rock & Roll was a disaster for music when it comes to innovation and intelligence of music. Music now is really something good compared to thirty years ago.

You didn't mention the fact that Barry Manilow isn't writing any new songs anymore. That has to count for something.

You didn't mention the fact that Barry Manilow isn't writing any new songs anymore. That has to count for something.The topic was actually sarcastic but now you've mentioned that it has a purpose.

I'll smoke whatever you're smoking. Maybe the US is having a good time, but you'll soon get sick of James Blunt. And he's not coming back to england. You've signed the adoption papers. Deal with it.

There's some great music being made now, and there is some shit music being made now, and there's some average music being made now.

Just like every other time in the last 1000 years.

There's some great music being made now, and there is some shit music being made now, and there's some average music being made now.

Just like every other time in the last 1000 years.Not really, music is innovating like never before now. Every analysed how long it took for classical to evolve? Trance Music has in 15 years evolved to perfection much more. Same with Black Metal etc. The 1997 Arcturus album 'La Masquerade Infernale' one of the best things music has ever seen. What has the Baroque era to offer? Some 'masterpieces' by J.S. Bach? The Rock & Roll era has nothing special to offer altough primitive Industrial music begain to evolve in the 1980's.

Musical diversity is also at an all time high.

After a barbarian Era of Rock & Roll, cult music has developed to an extend that for some even goes beyond classical. Many Ambient has melodies of the level of Classical, the second wave of Black Metal derives it's riffs directly from classical music theory. Noise music pioneers new methods of achieve a pleasurable sound that go beyond melody and rithm. Trance is combining unclassifiable and misterious emotions with thick atmospheres. The Avant-Garde genres are experimenting with new instruments and technology to create sounds unheared of even months ago. Technical Metal is intergrating complex dynamic rithms with guitars. Industrial EBM actually succeeded in creating music that is both danceable as having melodies based on classical music theory. Intelligent Dance Music combines electronic danceable instruments and sounds with dynamic rithms.

Rock & Roll was a disaster for music when it comes to innovation and intelligence of music. Music now is really something good compared to thirty years ago.

Right on! It's about time rock and roll was replaced by music requiring real talent to make.

I don't really care for classifying genres as bad or good. Different people get enjoyment from different kinds of music, and enjoyment is all that matters.

Right on! It's about time rock and roll was replaced by music requiring real talent to make.

Rock 'n' Roll takes plenty of talent, as does the Blues. Just what kind of shit are you listening to?

After a barbarian Era of Rock & Roll, cult music has developed to an extend that for some even goes beyond classical. Many Ambient has melodies of the level of Classical, the second wave of Black Metal derives it's riffs directly from classical music theory. Noise music pioneers new methods of achieve a pleasurable sound that go beyond melody and rithm. Trance is combining unclassifiable and misterious emotions with thick atmospheres. The Avant-Garde genres are experimenting with new instruments and technology to create sounds unheared of even months ago. Technical Metal is intergrating complex dynamic rithms with guitars. Industrial EBM actually succeeded in creating music that is both danceable as having melodies based on classical music theory. Intelligent Dance Music combines electronic danceable instruments and sounds with dynamic rithms.

Bullocks. I would wager that 95% of the songs that compose the genres you listed are terrible, just like Rock.

I have not heard an Ambient song that rose above simple pop melodies that were smashed by assloads of production.

I know two things about black metal:

1. I have never heard a black metal song that I liked.
2. It is impossible for a black metal musician to not look incredibly stupid in a picture.

Avant-Garde peaked over 20 years ago, and even that was classified as rock.

One of the best times for music at the moment

True. I just replaced James Blunt with a Dio CD (it's some kind of best of thing). Life is good.

I want to think this thread is taking the piss, but I can't really tell for sure.

Avant-Garde peaked over 20 years ago, and even that was classified as rock.

Public Image Limited.

Bullocks. I would wager that 95% of the songs that compose the genres you listed are terrible, just like Rock.

I have not heard an Ambient song that rose above simple pop melodies that were smashed by assloads of production.

I know two things about black metal:

1. I have never heard a black metal song that I liked.
2. It is impossible for a black metal musician to not look incredibly stupid in a picture.

Avant-Garde peaked over 20 years ago, and even that was classified as rock.
A: You sound like you haven't heared them, listen them first.

B: Do you even know the difference between ambient and lounge?

C1: Subjective, Black Metal is actually very mature in comparishment to death metal and you sound like someone that can't tell slipknot from black metal from death metal.

C2: A Black Metal Musician with a great composing skill and a good sense of fashion for that matter. (http://www.arcturus.no/uploads/images/fanpics/20051026_essen_cal/cal-arcturus037.jpg)

D: That's called progressive rock and has nothing to do with Avant-garde since it was a genre on itself rather than something unique that classified for the artist alone.

james blunt int so bad he can sing unlike most heavy rock guys, his songs just suck


sham-rock is best rock
go check out flogging molly or dropkick murphys it kinda rock but with a fiddle and piccolo chucked in for measure, its all surprisingly goes together fantastically and is definately worth listening to. think irish when listening it sounds best when youre in a crowd singing it, or when drunk

james blunt int so bad he can sing unlike most heavy rock guys, his songs just suck


sham-rock is best rock
go check out flogging molly or dropkick murphys it kinda rock but with a fiddle and piccolo chucked in for measure, its all surprisingly goes together fantastically and is definately worth listening to. think irish when listening it sounds best when youre in a crowd singing it, or when drunkI think that's an immature mix of folk and rock, the album 'Bergtatt' by Ulver does it so much better.

I have no idea what ambient is or black metal. Name some bands please so I can look them up and hear them for myself.

hmm ill check it out

but you cannot say that about flogging molly dropkicks maybe but not flogging molly

"Music is the true language of the human spirit." Like poetry, it is the direct expression of the human soul through words, sounds, and even visuals. People from all cultures can relate to and understand music. There is no way to say "this music is better than that music," it's music. There's no way you can quantitatively juxtapose it without some sort of bias or opinion.

I have no idea what ambient is or black metal. Name some bands please so I can look them up and hear them for myself.

Black Metal is Metal that is about the trebble, melody and atmosphere, and often manifests itself with extreme and hectic music

Ambient is electronic music that is about the trebble, melody and atmosphere and often manifests itself with quiet and calm music

Some noteable Black Metal albums are(To me): 'Arcturus - Aspera Hiems Symfonia', 'The Kovenant - Nexus Polaris', 'Vinterriket - Der Letzte Winter', 'Anaal Nathrakh - Domine Non Es Dignus'

Notable Ambient albums are(To me): 'Vinterriket - Landschaften Ewiger Einsamkeit', 'Raison d'Être - Lost Fragments', 'Visions - Lapse'(No melody or rithm what so ever).

After a barbarian Era of Rock & Roll, cult music has developed to an extend that for some even goes beyond classical. Many Ambient has melodies of the level of Classical, the second wave of Black Metal derives it's riffs directly from classical music theory. Noise music pioneers new methods of achieve a pleasurable sound that go beyond melody and rithm. Trance is combining unclassifiable and misterious emotions with thick atmospheres. The Avant-Garde genres are experimenting with new instruments and technology to create sounds unheared of even months ago. Technical Metal is intergrating complex dynamic rithms with guitars. Industrial EBM actually succeeded in creating music that is both danceable as having melodies based on classical music theory. Intelligent Dance Music combines electronic danceable instruments and sounds with dynamic rithms.

Rock & Roll was a disaster for music when it comes to innovation and intelligence of music. Music now is really something good compared to thirty years ago.
Rock and Roll was good too, but it's refreshing to see someone who appreciates the greatness going on today instead of just the mainstream crap.

Public Image Limited.

Well, the names that were in my head were Television, Captain Beefheart, and Tom Waits.

Of course Classical music has come back. Didn't you know that Kanye West actuall ripped off Mozart with the words to Gold Digger?

A: You sound like you haven't heared them, listen them first.

I have listened to what I thought was ambient.

B: Do you even know the difference between ambient and lounge?

Maybe you should enlighten me.

C1: Subjective, Black Metal is actually very mature in comparishment to death metal and you sound like someone that can't tell slipknot from black metal from death metal.

I probably couldn't smell the difference between human shit, dog shit, and cow shit, but that doesn't mean that they smell good.

And I think you are looking for the word "comparison."

C2: A Black Metal Musician with a great composing skill and a good sense of fashion for that matter. (http://www.arcturus.no/uploads/images/fanpics/20051026_essen_cal/cal-arcturus037.jpg)

We might have to take a vote on that.

D: That's called progressive rock and has nothing to do with Avant-garde since it was a genre on itself rather than something unique that classified for the artist alone.

Actually I tend to dislike Prog Rock as well, but I was definitely referring to avant-garde.

I have listened to what I thought was ambient.



Maybe you should enlighten me.



I probably couldn't smell the difference between human shit, dog shit, and cow shit, but that doesn't mean that they smell good.

And I think you are looking for the word "comparison."



We might have to take a vote on that.



Actually I tend to dislike Prog Rock as well, but I was definitely referring to avant-garde.
A: Reminds of people that listen to 'Tiësto' and then say trance is rubbish. Ambient is far more mature than pop music and a proper ambient track (http://data.mp3.de/download/153899/fadfe1911ed9abd3c45f5e280cafccb8/VINTERRIKET_-_Landschaften_ewiger_Einsamkeit_VI.mp3) indeed get's it's melodies derived from classical music theory.

B: Lounge is relaxing music to make you feel good and to smile upon and in the sense is very happy and smoothing and not to much cognitiveness involve. Ambient encloses a wide range of thick atmospheric music which can disturb(Dark Ambient), have no melodies or rithm whatsoever(Ambient Noise), Can have tremolo picked guitars and blastbeats in it. (Ambient Black Metal), can be the manipulation of sounds recorded from nature. (Natural Ambience), lounge is just to play in an oxygen bar or a café.

C: Don't talk about genres you're not aware of, that you can't tell Black Metal from Death Metal (I assume from your post.) Indicates to me that you know very little about music theory and matureness of melodies and I think you just say: 'Ah, hectic music, now it must suck regardless of what melodies are in it.'(Assumption)

D: Ah, come one, he's hawt...

E: Rock isn't avant-garde in any sense of the word, you sound like people that find a rock number if it has a keyboard in it already avant-garde.

People need to start using mellotrons more often like the Beatles did. The mellotron was the ultimate band.

People need to start using mellotrons more often like the Beatles did. The mellotron was the ultimate band.The Mellotron is an inferiour primitive piece of sampling kit.

I don't like samplers anyway, I prefer synthesizers.

That's the point. It's old and gritty. In my opinion, it sounds better than the polished work done with synthesizers today.

That's the point. It's old and gritty. In my opinion, it sounds better than the polished work done with synthesizers today.Wouldn't agree with that but that's taste, modern synthesizers have much more options and voice morphs are impossible with a mellotron, something I oftenly use.

The reason I like it better is because you had to rely more on being able to play your instruments than allowing a machine to do it. There are songs today that are made only using a synthesizer and a drum machine.

After a barbarian Era of Rock & Roll, cult music has developed to an extend that for some even goes beyond classical. Many Ambient has melodies of the level of Classical, the second wave of Black Metal derives it's riffs directly from classical music theory. Noise music pioneers new methods of achieve a pleasurable sound that go beyond melody and rithm. Trance is combining unclassifiable and misterious emotions with thick atmospheres. The Avant-Garde genres are experimenting with new instruments and technology to create sounds unheared of even months ago. Technical Metal is intergrating complex dynamic rithms with guitars. Industrial EBM actually succeeded in creating music that is both danceable as having melodies based on classical music theory. Intelligent Dance Music combines electronic danceable instruments and sounds with dynamic rithms.

Rock & Roll was a disaster for music when it comes to innovation and intelligence of music. Music now is really something good compared to thirty years ago.


Are you having a laugh?

Quaiffberg: The mellotron is one sampler that doesn't take any skill of tonal colour synthesis if you ask me...

You just load the samples and you play. You don't tweak them, you don't have to know anything about ADSR, filter cutoffs, resonance, oscilators etc. You don't have to know anything about synthesis.

Are you having a laugh?No.

oh ok

*backs away slowly, smiling

TEH SPOCK: I didn't mean just use the mellotron. I meant using it in conjuction with a full band. I know that it takes more skill to use a synthesizer but as you said, everyone has their own tastes.

oh ok

*backs away slowly, smiling- pushes the button, trap door opens, you fall in it, your brains are switched with my frankensteinian monster and I'm eating applepie for the rest of my life happily every after.



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TEH SPOCK: I didn't mean just use the mellotron. I meant using it in conjuction with a full band. I know that it takes more skill to use a synthesizer but as you said, everyone has their own tastes.True, I prefer somewhat complex tonal colours, subtractively made and using three oscilators and well filtered with plenty of FX.

- pushes the button, trap door opens, you fall in it, your brains are switched with my frankensteinian monster and I'm eating applepie for the rest of my life happily every after.



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:~Don't worry, that's a pritty normal reaction if you have a frankensteinian brain. You'll get used to it.

*drools and smiles*

I wish I had a frankenstein monster brain.

I wish I didn't have nipples, they just hurt when they're cold and bump in to something.

oh TELL me about it...and breasts get in the way in tight spaces...damn them!

and toes....don't start me on toes....isn't life a total sh*t when you stub a toe badly? what are they FOR? you dont need them to grip the floor or anything....I say lets ban toes!

I love the fact that I'm born in a time where humanity isn't evolved enough to have no toes. I pick everything from the ground with it. If I'm at the couch and my tea is at the coffeetable I'll grab it with my toes to avoid the enourmous exercise of having to stand up.

you eat your tea with your TOES?

*backs away again....drooling this time because of the brain thing......

I just grab the cup with my toes actually... I loves my toes, they save me so much effort of bending down.

I love toes. I use them to ring the doorbells, push buttons, pick up everything from clothes to dinner plates and they stop me from falling over.

I love toes. I use them to ring the doorbells, push buttons, pick up everything from clothes to dinner plates and they stop me from falling over.

I use 'em to masturbate.

*looks horror struck*

:o

Ik kan play the Radetzki March on my keyboard with a slow tempo with my toes.

Rock & Roll was a disaster for music when it comes to innovation and intelligence of music. Music now is really something good compared to thirty years ago.

I couldnt agree less.

There hasnt been a truly original album recorded for years.
People try so hard to over-generalize evry sub-category in music, to try to "re-invent" a sound....all fail.

Thirty years ago, music had soul, emotion, and raw energy...now...just mindless crap, and even more whining.

I'm siding with the "barbarians" on this one. It's far better than being pretentious.

I couldnt agree less.

There hasnt been a truly original album recorded for years.
People try so hard to over-generalize evry sub-category in music, to try to "re-invent" a sound....all fail.

Thirty years ago, music had soul, emotion, and raw energy...now...just mindless crap, and even more whining.

'Arcturus - La Masquerade Infernale', 'Delerium - Stone Tower', 'Viridian Sun - Solar Noise', 'Draft 2 Design - Affection over Reason EP', 'The Kovenant - S.E.T.I.'.

Don't talk about mindless when you listen to Rock & Roll please, even Mozart is more intelligent than that...

And, pray tell how did we get to this point? Without Iggy and the Stooges, The Velvet Underground, Black Sabbath, Motorhead, The Ramones, The Clash etc. you have no seeds to grow.

Musical diversity peaked in the late 60's and early 70's. Then stupid Peter Frampton sold 25 million albums and it's been downhill ever since.

After a barbarian Era of Rock & Roll, cult music has developed to an extend that for some even goes beyond classical. Many Ambient has melodies of the level of Classical, the second wave of Black Metal derives it's riffs directly from classical music theory. Noise music pioneers new methods of achieve a pleasurable sound that go beyond melody and rithm. Trance is combining unclassifiable and misterious emotions with thick atmospheres. The Avant-Garde genres are experimenting with new instruments and technology to create sounds unheared of even months ago. Technical Metal is intergrating complex dynamic rithms with guitars. Industrial EBM actually succeeded in creating music that is both danceable as having melodies based on classical music theory. Intelligent Dance Music combines electronic danceable instruments and sounds with dynamic rithms.

Rock & Roll was a disaster for music when it comes to innovation and intelligence of music. Music now is really something good compared to thirty years ago.


Ambient - 97% boring
Black metal - 100% dull and unlistenable
Trance - absolutely vile

The other "genres" you mention, i'm not aware of, either because i can't pick up on the subtle distinction of one set of electronic bleeps from another, or i can't pick up on the subtle distinction between one shouty neo-nazi sub-satanist norwegian playing atrocious riffage from another.

Sorry, do try harder.

altough primitive Industrial music begain to evolve in the 1980's...

70's actually.... look up "Throbbing Gristle".

I couldnt agree less.

There hasnt been a truly original album recorded for years.
People try so hard to over-generalize evry sub-category in music, to try to "re-invent" a sound....all fail.

Thirty years ago, music had soul, emotion, and raw energy...now...just mindless crap, and even more whining.

Prolapse: "Pointless Walks to Dismal Places"...

If you ask me, music really died after the fall of classical in the early 20th century with the whole atonality thing. The vast majority of music after the Romantic era has been crap (though a number of people have told me that jazz has some good stuff).

WTF! Most music made withing the past five years is awfull, most bands these days are ever manufactured or use 50 odd voice manipulating technologies, i will admit there maybe a minority of new bands who actuaslly have TALENT!

WTF! Most music made withing the past five years is awfull, most bands these days are ever manufactured or use 50 odd voice manipulating technologies, i will admit there maybe a minority of new bands who actuaslly have TALENT!

I know. I don't even listen to the radio anymore because there is just so much crap. I don't understand how people can just eat it up so readily. It's just incredible how they manage to sell such blatant garbage. I can't believe classical music got replaced with Britney Spears and Eminem.

Blame MTV! That's my favourite mantra. Repeat it quietly in your head, it's soothing.

It's all about image and posture. Screw whether you can actually play or write a coherent piece of music. If you look the part you're in, talent be damned.

Right, off to play some John Lee Hooker.

Public Image Limited.

Does PiL really qualify as Avante Garde?

Sonic Youth I could see as Avante Garde, but PiL a little less so.

And to Letalia:

1. Classical music ain't half so tough to write or preform as you'd like to think. Some of the great musicians wrote how many symphonies in their lives? They were as prolific as many rock bands are (more so in some cases). The music requires years of practice and technical exercise to play well, but so does rock.

2. Celebrating the end of any form of music is a bit silly, IMO. Every type of music has something to offer in terms of pleasant sound, complexity, and musical influence.


That said...

There's nothing good in rock right now. At all. It's almost sad how pathetic music has become in the last 10 years or so. Punk sold out. Emo (and the bad Emo at that), Pop, and Rap rule the musical arena, and none of them has a redeeming value.