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Most the people hear seem to really hate conservatives but i have know idea why? because they never seem to say whats wrong with their policies but just say cheap insults to them instead.

All i want to know is what are the main problems with conservatives?

Is the conservative party in england is different to conservatives in america? In england their policies seem to be virtually the same as labour but with just a few differences.

You bet england conservatives are different. English conservbatives know how to run a government succesfully. Only american socialist know how to do the same.

You bet england conservatives are different. English conservbatives know how to run a government succesfully. Only american socialist know how to do the same.

I see, so whats the difference between them?

Republicans don't know how to run a government succesfully? Pretty evident. fill in the fluffy gaps! :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

I see, so whats the difference between them?

Dental hygiene. :)

Dental hygiene. :)

Sense of humour.

I guess my question will remain un answered then

Most the people hear seem to really hate conservatives but i have know idea why? because they never seem to say whats wrong with their policies but just say cheap insults to them instead.

All i want to know is what are the main problems with conservatives?

They're conservative, do we need any more reasons?

They are a little different. The ones in england are more evil but more incompetent with it so overall they are just as bad. They basically just want to help the rich and fuck everyone else. the new leader is trying for popularity so he just steals all labours good ideas and trys to keep his own moronic ideas secret.

They're conservative, do we need any more reasons?

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As i said in the beggining this is the only sort of answers i ever get out of anyone

Republicans don't know how to run a government succesfully? Pretty evident. fill in the fluffy gaps! :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
Republican =/= conservative

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As i said in the beggining this is the only sort of answers i ever get out of anyone
And may very well continue to be the only sort of answer you get.

I suspect that the problem most liberals have with conservatives just now is that the conservatives are in power and the liberals aren't. Meh.

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As i said in the beggining this is the only sort of answers i ever get out of anyone

Ok then:

-They're pro-business rather than pro-labour.
-They tend to populism in their policies, immigration would be a good example.
-They have a dreadful record on the enviroment and if they get into power they don't intend to do much about it.

Is that enough for the moment?

Most the people hear seem to really hate conservatives but i have know idea why? because they never seem to say whats wrong with their policies but just say cheap insults to them instead.

All i want to know is what are the main problems with conservatives?

Is the conservative party in england is different to conservatives in america? In england their policies seem to be virtually the same as labour but with just a few differences.

At the moment, the leadership of the BRITISH Conservative party (we're not the English party, honest) is trying to ape Tony Blair, in order to win over "floating voters". However, the impact this will have on the core vote is not known, but I expect it to be extremely negative.

The party leadership in both Labour and Tories is somewhat out of tune with the membership: most Labour members would prefer to see more leftish policies being promulgated, whereas the average conservative believes the current leadership is becoming too centrist of cerrtain issues.

And may very well continue to be the only sort of answer you get.

*Points to list of reasons posted by moi just below* :p

Ok then:

-They're pro-business rather than pro-labour.
-They tend to populism in their policies, immigration would be a good example.
-They have a dreadful record on the enviroment and if they get into power they don't intend to do much about it.

Is that enough for the moment?

Because the redustrubution of wealth by taxation isn't populist :rolleyes:

Conservatives aren't pro-business: we're free marketers, which means that we're pro competitive business and against inefficient enterprises kept in business by state support.

And may very well continue to be the only sort of answer you get.

I suspect that the problem most liberals have with conservatives just now is that the conservatives are in power and the liberals aren't. Meh.
You don't like conservatives do you Eutrusca? What is it about conservatives which pushes you to the center?

Because the redustrubution of wealth by taxation isn't populist :rolleyes:

Conservatives aren't pro-business: we're free marketers, which means that we're pro competitive business and against inefficient enterprises kept in business by state support.

You misunderstand 'populism'. Populism is where a party supports an idea not because it's a good idea but purely because it's popular. Immigration policies are often drafted up to appease the tabloid reading cretins without reference to what a good immigration policy should be.

And I refer you to Margaret Thatcher's actions on unions as evidence that the Tories are anti-labour.

I notice you didn't respond to my criticism of the enviromental policy, can I take that to mean that you accept it as a valid criticism?

Republican =/= conservative

That's correct Eutrusca!: Republicans = Fascism. Especailly when u think about all the corporate welfare and millitarism!

Like the Republicans/Democrats in the U.S. I also hate the Conservative/Labour in the U.K (I'm British but I live in America). Maybe we should have more people voting Liberal Democrat or Green. (or in America: Libertarian/Green). All 4 major parties in the U.K/U.S.A represent the same garbage that we have had in the last 50 years and honestly we have lost so much ground in the last 25 years.

I suspect that the problem most liberals have with conservatives just now is that the conservatives are in power and the liberals aren't. Meh.

Indeed.

You misunderstand 'populism'. Populism is where a party supports an idea not because it's a good idea but purely because it's popular. Immigration policies are often drafted up to appease the tabloid reading cretins without reference to what a good immigration policy should be.

And I refer you to Margaret Thatcher's actions on unions as evidence that the Tories are anti-labour.

I notice you didn't respond to my criticism of the enviromental policy, can I take that to mean that you accept it as a valid criticism?

I know exactly what populism is. All the economic evidence suggests that large-scale wealth distrubution is disastrous for a particular economy, but please go on thinking it's a "good idea", and not just a vote-grabber.

The Conservatives have never been "anti-labour": they were anti organised labour, which is a very different thing.

Let's not go into environmental policy: you might want to research the Aral Sea.

I know exactly what populism is. All the economic evidence suggests that large-scale wealth distrubution is disastrous for a particular economy, but please go on thinking it's a "good idea", and not just a vote-grabber.

The Conservatives have never been "anti-labour": they were anti organised labour, which is a very different thing.

Let's not go into environmental policy: you might want to research the Aral Sea.

Yes, why don't we go back to the good old days of widespread poverty where only the privileged few could afford such luxuries as healthcare...

Organised labour in the form of unions is, surprisingly enough, the method of representation for labourers. If you oppose organised labour you are opposing the rights of the workers to be represented and so you are anti-labour.

Out of interest what relevence does the Aral Sea have to conservative enviromental policy?

Most the people hear seem to really hate conservatives but i have know idea why? because they never seem to say whats wrong with their policies but just say cheap insults to them instead.

All i want to know is what are the main problems with conservatives?

Is the conservative party in england is different to conservatives in america? In england their policies seem to be virtually the same as labour but with just a few differences.

A conservative is someone with the innate ability to reduce certain otherwise rational individuals who would ordinarily ridicule and denounce generalizations, stereotypical judgment, bigotry and ignorance to willingly indulge in exactly that with frightening zeal. :D

And may very well continue to be the only sort of answer you get.

I suspect that the problem most liberals have with conservatives just now is that the conservatives are in power and the liberals aren't. Meh.
In Britain, Labour is in power, not the Conservatives.

In America, the Republicans are in power, and Republican =/= conservative.

The problem with being pro business is that if the government doesnt help less succesful businesses they go out of business. fair enough in itself, they should have been more efficient. But all their employees lose their jobs and stop contributing to the economy, which goes down hill, causing more businesses to die, and more unemployment, and the economy falls apart like under the last conservative government.

You don't like conservatives do you Eutrusca? What is it about conservatives which pushes you to the center?
Mostly social issues. I'm big on the US and the Constitution, but I definitely do not like the "conservative" stance on gay rights, environmentalism, etc.

In Britain, Labour is in power, not the Conservatives.

In America, the Republicans are in power, and Republican =/= conservative.
True, but the "power behind the throne" in the Republican party are the neocons and the religious right.

And may very well continue to be the only sort of answer you get.

I suspect that the problem most liberals have with conservatives just now is that the conservatives are in power and the liberals aren't. Meh.

Why would I care about the people who are not in power and or a not even making a bid for power.

I may dislike some ones policy ideas but if those policy ideas remain ideas and not policy should I care about them?

You don't like conservatives do you Eutrusca? What is it about conservatives which pushes you to the center?
He dislikes the religious right.

Conservatives aren't pro-business: we're free marketers, which means that we're pro competitive business and against inefficient enterprises kept in business by state support.
In ideology, perhaps.

That's correct Eutrusca!: Republicans = Fascism. Especailly when u think about all the corporate welfare and millitarism!

Calling Republicans fascists is a bit of an exaggeration.

Calling Republicans fascists is a bit of an exaggeration.


The Republicans are millitaristiclly and economically fascist. They give out huge corporate welfare($350 billion) to huge companies like Halliburton. Then wage a war agianst nations to shore up huge oil profits for the oil companies. This is the same in what happened in fascist Italy and Germany. (Corporatism)
Government giving out huge amounts of money to large companies allowing them to become monopolys. Republicans are not about free market at all instead it is about creating a global Plutocracy for the powerful few.

But with the comming fall of the Repubs and the pretty much death of the Dems, It won't be soon until America is a fascist dictatorship.


http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

Also read Siclair Lewis's "It can't happen here!"/Jack London's "The Iron Boot"

They are a little different. The ones in england are more evil but more incompetent with it so overall they are just as bad. They basically just want to help the rich and fuck everyone else. the new leader is trying for popularity so he just steals all labours good ideas and trys to keep his own moronic ideas secret.

what rubbish! labour steals the conservatives' good ideas not the other way round

its not the rich that used to put the conservatives in, it used to be for an age the Working class tory

Here's a reason why people should be thanking Conservatives. Thanks to Right-wing parties we have the best nations right now

1) USA - most powerful nation/largest economy in world
2) Luxembourg - richest nation on earth
3) UK - world power, once ruled the world
4) Germany - largest economy in Europe
5) Japan - largest economy in Asia/2nd largest in world
6) Switzerland - one of the richest nations on earth
7) Australia - 2nd best quality of life
8) Italy - regional power, once ruled the world
9) South Korea - fast growing economy, technologically advanced
10) Taiwan - Same with South Korea
11) Canada(now anyways) - Best quality of life for many years(though it started going down with Liberal party)

These past empires were conservative
1) Roman Empire
2) Greek Empire
3) British Empire

Now lets look at some NON-conservative nations
1) Russia - abuse of human rights, corrupt, socially unstable, third world country
2) Peru - must I say more?
3) Mexico - third world country(even though they have the manpower to get far)
4) Chile - same as Peru
5) Mongolia, Cambodia, Brazil, practically all of Africa, the list goes on

God bless the Right-wingers!

Most likely, the poor view of conservatives (recently) has come out of those who have taken the name for their own. In the US, if you don't look carefully, it can seem as if "conservative" is synonymous with "racist, fundamentalist, hypocrite, white Christian - most likely rich, but possibly 'trailer trash' who wants to kill gays and keep 'dem women in the kitchen where they belong."

On the other hand, "liberal" is often seen as equating to "Communist, apologist, hypocrite, welfare-baby, hippy atheist who wants to abort all babies and use them to clone hitler while burning bras and churches."

Obviously, this isn't what either of these words actually means, in a dictionary sense - but that is the impression that many will get when you bring them up.

In truth, I think anyone who thinks they can bring up one of these words and somehow have described their entire political mindset probably hasn't thought through about 99% of the issues they might have a view on. Very few people are truly conservative on all issues and very few are truly liberal on all issues. None that I have met fall completely into a specific party line. *shrug*