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It seems, that recently, there has been an increase in the number of vocal conservatives on NS General, and I’m not talking economic conservative, I’m talking full blown social conservatives, and not the classic kind that are kind of funny, the scary neo-con kind. And not just n00bs either. It seems that conservative lurkers are coming out of the wood work and some who have been here for a relatively long time are just getting more vocal.

Now, I know that there is certainly no shortage of conservative on NS, but most of them stick to their regional boards or they RP (poorly, I’m sure), but what’s the deal. I mean, NS used to be such a nice, socially liberal place.

I blame this damn cartoon frenzy. Has anyone else noticed this, or is it just me?

I love the variety of the people on here. Makes for more interesting threads. Besides, it can be fun to listen to the rantings of these conservatives when they have no idea what they are ranting about and using unproven information to prove their point.

Yep, I have. We're losing the good fight.

I love the variety of the people on here. Makes for more interesting threads. Besides, it can be fun to listen to the rantings of these conservatives when they have no idea what they are ranting about and using unproven information to prove their point.

How do you know that liberals aren't doing the same thing? ;)

How do you know that liberals aren't doing the same thing? ;)

Are you a social conservative Stone Bridges?

Nah

Say it ain't so.

How do you know that liberals aren't doing the same thing? ;)
Because, Liberals cannot be wrong, it says so in the Liberal handbook.

*searches handbook*

Ah, here it is: "All words spoken by a Liberal, or ally of a Liberal, shall at that point, and forever remain true."

What's the matter? Can't stand a fair fight? :D

Are you a social conservative Stone Bridges?

Nah

Say it ain't so.

I'm a Conservative Libertarian

Because, Liberals cannot be wrong, it says so in the Liberal handbook.

*searches handbook*

Ah, here it is: "All words spoken by a Liberal, or ally of a Liberal, shall at that point, and forever remain true."

Hmmm, but it says the same thing in the Convservative handbook, but instead of liberal and ally of a liberal, it has Convservative, or an ally of a Covservative. However in small text on the bottom of the page, it says "Rush Limbaugh is not a convservative, we prefer to distance ourself away from him."

What's the matter? Can't stand a fair fight? :D
Ach.
Where did ya'll come from?

not sure what I count as...but I admit I post more due to the comic thing that anything. I imagine I do come off as conservative...which in a way is funny considering I refuse from now on to ever vote republican again.

I'm a Conservative Libertarian
Is that even possible?

Is that even possible?

Jason Lewis seemed to have pulled it off.

I'm a Conservative Libertarian


Same here, and mighty proud to be one at that. Like the bumper sticker on my car says: "I'm not hard headed, liberals are just wrong!".

Hmmm, but it says the same thing in the Convservative handbook, but instead of liberal and ally of a liberal, it has Convservative, or an ally of a Covservative. However in small text on the bottom of the page, it says "Rush Limbaugh is not a convservative, we prefer to distance ourself away from him."
Hmmm.....

My Liberal Handbook says that it cannot be wrong....does yours mention that at all?

It seems, that recently, there has been an increase in the number of vocal conservatives on NS General, and I’m not talking economic conservative, I’m talking full blown social conservatives, and not the classic kind that are kind of funny, the scary neo-con kind. And not just n00bs either. It seems that conservative lurkers are coming out of the wood work and some who have been here for a relatively long time are just getting more vocal.


Naw, it's not a wave of conservatives coming out of the woodwork. They are all just your puppets; you've just developed better acting skills.

I'm a Conservative Libertarian

That don't count.

For that matter so am I. but I thought this was about the fundie Sponge Bob Square Pants is corrupting american youth kinda conservative.

Hmmm.....

My Liberal Handbook says that it cannot be wrong....does yours mention that at all?

Mine says "They would say that, because liiberals are pinko wimpy feely commie!" :P

Same here, and mighty proud to be one at that. Like the bumper sticker on my car says: "I'm not hard headed, liberals are just wrong!".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Libertarianism
So which one is it?

That don't count.

For that matter so am I. but I thought this was about the fundie Sponge Bob Square Pants is corrupting american youth kinda conservative.

Well I don't think Rush or Fred Phelps post on this forum.

Mine says "They would say that, because liiberals are pinko wimpy feely commie!" :P
Ours insists that we reply "Stalin, Mao, and Castro are not commies!"
Then it says, to claim that you, Conservatives, think Hitler was right.

About this Rush Limbaugh buisiness, our Handbook says that Rush Limbaugh is a Conservative, because he is a giant douche that we can use to make you look bad.

Although, I fail to see why I am conversing with someone who agrees with Rush Limbaugh on everything.

Ours insists that we reply "Stalin, Mao, and Castro are not commies!"
Then it says, to claim that you, Conservatives, think Hitler was right.

About this Rush Limbaugh buisiness, our Handbook says that Rush Limbaugh is a Conservative, because he is a giant douche that we can use to make you look bad.

Although, I fail to see why I am conversing with someone who agrees with Rush Limbaugh on everything.

Jeez I agreed with him on ONE thing when it came to Valentines Day. lol

So which one is it?
I don't think it's possible.
Social traditions are anti-individualist, and social conservatives support those traditions. Libertarians are individualist.

So my guess is that people who say they are "socially conservative libertarians" just use the latter in order to sound a little more sophisticated.

Same here, and mighty proud to be one at that. Like the bumper sticker on my car says: "I'm not hard headed, liberals are just wrong!".

How is that possible? You believe in individual freedoms and personal responsibility, but you don't mind being a bigot at the same time - I don't know about you, but that smells of facism.

I'm a Libertarian; freedom for all, even those with opinions I don't agree with.

It seems, that recently, there has been an increase in the number of vocal conservatives on NS General, and I’m not talking economic conservative, I’m talking full blown social conservatives, and not the classic kind that are kind of funny, the scary neo-con kind. And not just n00bs either. It seems that conservative lurkers are coming out of the wood work and some who have been here for a relatively long time are just getting more vocal.

Now, I know that there is certainly no shortage of conservative on NS, but most of them stick to their regional boards or they RP (poorly, I’m sure), but what’s the deal. I mean, NS used to be such a nice, socially liberal place.

I blame this damn cartoon frenzy. Has anyone else noticed this, or is it just me?

Don't worry, I'm still here. I'm losing weight as the days go by, and I'll probably vanish in a few months, but hey, I'm trying my best to stay alive. :p

I'm a Traditional Conservative and proud of it.

I'm a Traditional Conservative and proud of it.

*cries*

*cries*

Yay we made a liiberal cry. We shall now go feast on an engagered species while chopping down the rain forest!

*In reality, I love the outdoors, I love hiking and walking, and I support protecting the enviorment and all the cute little animals.*

Yay we made a liiberal cry.

You're obviously talking about somebody else, 'cause I'm no fucking Liberal.

You're obviously talking about somebody else, 'cause I'm no fucking Liberal.

Then why were you crying? Jeez it was a joke anyways.

Then why were you crying? Jeez it was a joke anyways.

Don't make me angry... You won't like me when I'm angry...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a1/Doppelhander.jpeg

*grabs sword*

*If you so much as make a penis reference, I'll puke down your throat. :p

Don't make me angry... You won't like me when I'm angry...

*snip*

*grabs sword*

*If you so much as make a penis reference, I'll puke down your throat. :p

Hmm, Sounds like someone has some rage issues.

Hmm, Sounds like someone has some rage issues.

Sounds like somebody can't detect a fucking joke, eh?

Don't make me angry... You won't like me when I'm angry...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a1/Doppelhander.jpeg

*grabs sword*

*If you so much as make a penis reference, I'll puke down your throat. :p

*psh* that's the best you can do?

*pulls out two Uzis*

http://www2.stopthenra.com/images/guns/uzi_2.gif

If you ever saw Indiana Jones, you'll realize that gun beats swords.

Sounds like somebody can't detect a fucking joke, eh?

Sounds like someone can't detect a little bit of sarcasm.

*psh* that's the best you can do?

*pulls out two Uzis*

http://www2.stopthenra.com/images/guns/uzi_2.gif

If you ever saw Indiana Jones, you'll realize that gun beats swords.

LMAO! That scene was fucking classic.

Yeah, guns beat swords in the efficiency department, but the right sword on the right person will scare the shit out of anybody.

Sounds like someone can't detect a little bit of sarcasm.

Given that jokes are much easier to detect than sarcasm on an online forum, I'd say that you didn't make enough of an effort to express said sarcasm.

It seems, that recently, there has been an increase in the number of vocal conservatives on NS General, and I’m not talking economic conservative, I’m talking full blown social conservatives, and not the classic kind that are kind of funny, the scary neo-con kind. And not just n00bs either. It seems that conservative lurkers are coming out of the wood work and some who have been here for a relatively long time are just getting more vocal.

Now, I know that there is certainly no shortage of conservative on NS, but most of them stick to their regional boards or they RP (poorly, I’m sure), but what’s the deal. I mean, NS used to be such a nice, socially liberal place.

I blame this damn cartoon frenzy. Has anyone else noticed this, or is it just me?
It might be as catchy as gangsta rap and black trenchcoats were. People feel powerful when they want to hurt others for not accepting their stupid little problems, and by golly, neoconservativism seems to fit the bill just dandy for 'em. That's the way it is with a lot of cowards who don't seem to understand what the point of civilization is.
I can't wait til the f*ckin' doofuses start wearing their hats akilter.
But you've got a good point ... it takes cartoons to get the IQ of the room going sometimes. Even Leno had a good joke about that ....

"I'm sure you know by know Muslim groups are outraged and are rioting over cartoons that are appearing in European newspapers that they say are offensive. Now they have attacked something very important to President Bush. The comics." —Jay Leno

I was labelled in my last Politics lesson as a Neo-Con :D Yes!

I'm most definitely a Reagan Republican, but I'm totally live and let live until someone gets all up in my grill about things. I actually don't have a single conservative friend and absolutely hate getting into political debates because I think it something that's incredibly stupid to fight over. I don't like for anyone to know my beliefs before I get to know them because they tend to have far too much bearing in a lot of people's minds, and that's absolutely ludicrous. People should get to know other people for their personalities and not from silly, stereotypical assumptions stemming from politics and religion. My Mum and Daddy always told me that it was better to never discuss either of those topics because they're the things that people hold most tenaciously on to, so until I get to know a person very well, I never talk about these things, but I guess the anonymity of the Internet has to be used positively for something o_o...

Oh, and where I came from... a friend (who happens to be liberal, btw) posted a link to her NationState on her LJ, and I got excited about the idea despite the fact that I really don't like poli-sci and I thoroughly dislike the United Nations, heh.

Given that jokes are much easier to detect than sarcasm on an online forum, I'd say that you didn't make enough of an effort to express said sarcasm.

Sorry, I'm not used to people taking me seriously.

Sorry, I'm not used to people taking me seriously.

Oooh, I'm not even gonna touch that one. :p

Oooh, I'm not even gonna touch that one. :p

Thanks, I realized my mistake right after I posted it.

Hmmm, but it says the same thing in the Convservative handbook, but instead of liberal and ally of a liberal, it has Convservative, or an ally of a Covservative. However in small text on the bottom of the page, it says "Rush Limbaugh is not a convservative, we prefer to distance ourself away from him."

We only distance ourselvs away from him, so we can utilize our 30X scope.

Funny thing is there is nothing conservative (neither fiscally nor socially) about American (neo) conservatism.

Given that jokes are much easier to detect than sarcasm on an online forum, I'd say that you didn't make enough of an effort to express said sarcasm.

Yeah considering that sarcasm can't be conveyed in the written word (as its to do with tone) I wish people would stop doing it online, or at least make up somekind of mark for it like this: <oh yah, your moms thin, sure>. Or something. Unless someone knows your previous posts sarcasm can't be detected, I'd like to say that if it seems rediculous its sarcasm, but unfortunately some people on here are simply rediculous (which may be what addicts me to NS general, incidently).

<I'm a neo con, and george bush is the greatest>

See what I mean?

I'm a conservative who doesn't like Bush! Fiscally, Bush is outspending the Democrats! And, in my day, conservatives didn't wage "pre-emptive war"!

I'm a conservative who doesn't like Bush! Fiscally, Bush is outspending the Democrats! And, in my day, conservatives didn't wage "pre-emptive war"!

Damn straight!

It seems, that recently, there has been an increase in the number of vocal conservatives on NS General, and I’m not talking economic conservative, I’m talking full blown social conservatives, and not the classic kind that are kind of funny, the scary neo-con kind. And not just n00bs either. It seems that conservative lurkers are coming out of the wood work and some who have been here for a relatively long time are just getting more vocal.

Now, I know that there is certainly no shortage of conservative on NS, but most of them stick to their regional boards or they RP (poorly, I’m sure), but what’s the deal. I mean, NS used to be such a nice, socially liberal place.

I blame this damn cartoon frenzy. Has anyone else noticed this, or is it just me?


Undelia, I've been here for a year. I don't believe the volume of my posts has changed significantly (although I did take about a month off in the fall).

What, you only want to be on a forum with people who agree with you wholeheartedly? I thought you came here for an argument.

If you don't want to argue, you can always go to a forum like Democratic Underground (I lurk there), and listen to the constant whine.

Pricking liberals' sense of self-righteousness is one of life's many pleasures :D

Meh. Bring them on.

Perhaps we should make social-conservative thought a bannible offense here, eh?

:rolleyes:

Could just be that more conservative posters are joining...I think the increasing popularity of Nationstates (or at least the seeming increase) has simply drawn more people on to this site. I recall that NS was distinctively more "liberal" (using the term due to a lack of a better catchall) a year ago when I first joined.

I think it's cyclical, to a degree. Alternating political balance keeps the discussion fresh and avoids groupthink, which is the death of any forum. I'd say that the shift in the politics of new posters is a sign of vibrancy in the forum. It could be that more RPers are switching to General, which might affect it as well.

Oh, and to Kimchi: How the hell do you have 5,100+ posts already?! You're going to pass me up in a little while!

I don't think it's possible.
Social traditions are anti-individualist, and social conservatives support those traditions. Libertarians are individualist.

So my guess is that people who say they are "socially conservative libertarians" just use the latter in order to sound a little more sophisticated.

in my experience it means something like "i'll talk big about the importance of 'liberty' but i'll vote for fascists as long as they oppose the welfare state and support traditional religious values like holding down women and gays and blacks."

Considering that the basis of REAL conservative thought is "Let each person take responsibility for their own lives", I'd say what we should do is to strip the non-conservative Neo-Cons in DC of the title and give them a more fitting one.

I like "Moronative".

Considering that the basis of REAL conservative thought is "Let each person take responsibility for their own lives"

no it isn't

I thought this was about the fundie Sponge Bob Square Pants is corrupting american youth kinda conservative.
LOL! Um ... [ wonders if he should ask ] Nahh. Nevermind. :D

Perhaps we should make social-conservative thought a bannible offense here, eh?

:rolleyes:
Nahh. That would be too "liberal." :D

Considering that the basis of REAL conservative thought is "Let each person take responsibility for their own lives", I'd say what we should do is to strip the non-conservative Neo-Cons in DC of the title and give them a more fitting one.

I like "Moronative".

good term

I liked Bush the first time becuase he was going against Gore and Gore didn't take down Clinton. I held that against Gore. JUst as I will hold it against Cheney. But the second time I knew Bush was a theocrat or at least a pupet of the theocrats. I was very much opposed to Bush the second time he ran.

Now, I know that there is certainly no shortage of conservative on NS, but most of them stick to their regional boards or they RP (poorly, I’m sure), but what’s the deal. I mean, NS used to be such a nice, socially liberal place.

I blame this damn cartoon frenzy. Has anyone else noticed this, or is it just me?
Actually I haven't noticed this at all. I think we're going through a spell of being relatively free from religious right-wing nuts.

I'm a Conservative Libertarian
What does this mean?

Ach.
Where did ya'll come from?
Man in Black is not much of a social conservative, and is an atheist to boot.

Undelia, I've been here for a year. I don't believe the volume of my posts has changed significantly (although I did take about a month off in the fall).

What, you only want to be on a forum with people who agree with you wholeheartedly? I thought you came here for an argument.

Do you consider yourself to be a full blown social conservative?

Considering that the basis of REAL conservative thought is "Let each person take responsibility for their own lives", I'd say what we should do is to strip the non-conservative Neo-Cons in DC of the title and give them a more fitting one.

I like "Moronative".
I like "idiotarian".

Can you wake me up when they migrate back south again? :(

Deal with it. Free speech also includes conservative viewpoints. We have to listen to the viewpoints of the liberal contingent, do we not?

I liked Bush the first time becuase he was going against Gore and Gore didn't take down Clinton. I held that against Gore. JUst as I will hold it against Cheney. But the second time I knew Bush was a theocrat or at least a pupet of the theocrats. I was very much opposed to Bush the second time he ran.
Heh! I was just the opposite. I didn't vote for Bush the first time he ran, but voted for him the second time mostly because he wasn't Kerry. :D

Sad topic

More like what's with all the Liberals making topics about flaming Conservatives because most of time we are right?

I'm a Neoconservative and damn proud of it, not that I follow everything my party believes in, I'm an independent thinker, who was NOT raised to be a Neocon, but rather I developed these beliefs through the traditional way of research.

Most liberals/socialists are raised as liberals/socialists. my parents don't tell me who to vote for, it's me who tells THEM who to vote for.

Heh! I was just the opposite. I didn't vote for Bush the first time he ran, but voted for him the second time mostly because he wasn't Kerry. :D

I'd rather not vote for a Republican, but unfortunatly, the Democratic choice is often worse. Gore...Kerry...blech...we need an FDR!

Deal with it. Free speech also includes conservative viewpoints. We have to listen to the viewpoints of the liberal contingent, do we not?
No, they want to go back to the good old days when there were only three news channels on TV, and none of them said anything favorable about conservatives.

I'm rather glad that NPR is going to get a massive funding cut this year, because I'm tired of its side shows like Diane Rehm, who cut off her right arm because it was on her right side.

What's up with all the conservatives?
We're fed up of UN liberalism. That's whats up. And the ceiling, the sky, and my dinner.

Deal with it. Free speech also includes conservative viewpoints. We have to listen to the viewpoints of the liberal contingent, do we not?
It isn't a pattern that conservatives do a lot of listening to ANYONE who doesn't share their "viewpoint".
Besides, no you don't, you don't have to be here either, which is probably your main source of philosophical opposition. Who's got the gun to your head?

Recent U.N resolutions seem to be the most telling sign.

Oh while we're at it, let's bring about a resolution to go back to creationism in schools, eh?

NS sometimes make the Ultimate Warrior (http://media.www.dailycampus.com/media/paper340/news/2005/04/06/News/The-Warrior.Attacks-914467.shtml?sourcedomain=www.dailycampus.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com) look left-wing, but as long as everyone plays nice I don't see what the problem is.

Recent U.N resolutions seem to be the most telling sign.

Oh while we're at it, let's bring about a resolution to go back to creationism in schools, eh?
http://www.newsday.com/news/health/ny-hsevol0221,0,7204235.story?coll=ny-leadhealthnews-headlines
Science panel aims at evolution
BRYN NELSON
STAFF CORRESPONDENT

February 20, 2006, 3:37 PM EST


ST. LOUIS -- Emboldened by recent successes, researchers, clergy and teachers assembled at a national science conference said they're taking the offensive in the pitched battle over teaching evolution in American classrooms.

At the annual conference of the American Association for the Advancement of Science here, panelists described how the anti-evolution Intelligent Design movement has changed its tactics in response to recent legal defeats as more than 140 educators from the St. Louis area gathered for an interactive forum on defending and expanding evolution instruction in the classroom.
Intelligent Design holds that life in all its forms is too complicated to have arisen by chance and thus requires the intervention of an unnamed supernatural designer.

On Sunday, Rep. Russ Carnahan (D-Mo.) told the assembled K-12 science teachers that attacking evolution in the classroom "risks the validity of science across the board," and announced three new legislative initiatives to promote research and science education, while the teachers received kits to help them with their classroom instruction.

Organizers of the new Alliance for Science separately announced their goal of bringing together teachers, scientists and clergy "to heighten public understanding and support for science and to preserve the distinctions between science and religion in the public sphere," while coordinators of the Clergy Letter Project announced their success in gathering signatures from 10,000 clergy for an open letter in support of teaching evolution.

"Science is absolutely neutral with regard to religion," said the Rev. George Coyne, director of the Vatican Observatory. The Clergy Letter Project, though, hopes to send the message that science and religion are far from incompatible.

AAAS also released a statement denouncing the anti-evolution bills pending in 14 states, including New York's Assembly Bill 8036, which explicitly calls for K-12 students to receive instruction "in both theories of ID and evolution."

Eugenie Scott, executive director of the National Center for Science Education, said other bills contain more coded language arising largely from the anti-evolution movement's legal defeat in Kitzmiller vs. Dover Area School District, in which District Court Judge John E. Jones III ruled in a strongly worded 139-page decision in December that the Pennsylvania school board's pro-Intelligent Design stance promoted religion and was therefore unconstitutional.

"As a legal strategy, Intelligent Design is dead," Scott said. "That does not mean that Intelligent Design is dead as a very popular social movement."

On Monday, the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture Discovery Institute -- a Seattle-based Intelligent Design think tank -- hit back with a new release announcing that more than 500 scientists have publicly expressed their doubts over Darwinian evolution.

"From our point of view, Intelligent Design is not a legal strategy, it's a scientific theory," said center spokesman Robert Crowther in a telephone interview. "It's a robust theory and we're getting more and more interest in it all the time."

In the past, Scott said, anti-evolutionists proffered the argument that balancing evolution with Intelligent Design was only fair. Now, she said, the movement's arguments are de-emphasizing their own alternative -- with its implicit understanding that a supernatural designer must be involved -- and tending toward euphemisms such as "sudden emergence," or "creative evolution," and focusing on the "flaws," "controversy," or "strengths and weaknesses" of evolution.

By attacking evolution's credibility, Scott said, opponents hope to raise enough doubt in the minds of students that they will embrace Intelligent Design as a viable alternative on their own.

At a Stony Brook University lecture earlier this month as part of the university's Darwin Day observance, Scott said Intelligent Design's concept undermines science because it subverts the agreed-upon scientific method.

"How do you put God in a test tube or keep him out of one?" she asked.

Kenneth Miller, a biology professor at Brown University in Providence, R.I., said in an interview that the best way to counter Intelligent Design is to show what's behind the "scientifically bogus" concept.

Those opposed to teaching evolution, he said, would like to portray the fight as a controversy between liberals and conservatives. But the strong legal decision by Jones, a life-long Republican recommended by Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), has undermined that strategy, Miller said.

Even so, teachers gathered in St. Louis said they often feel uncomfortable when teaching evolutionary concepts in public school classrooms. A survey commissioned by the National Science Teachers Association found that nearly one-third of 1,000 respondents said they felt pressured to include creationism, Intelligent Design or other non-scientific alternatives to evolution in classroom instruction.

Jennifer Miller, a biology teacher from Dover, Pa., said she and other teachers at the high school banded together in the face of enormous pressure from the school board at the height of the controversy there.

"It was really the first time I had felt uncomfortable in my own classroom," she said in an interview. Later, in a video presentation for the assembled teachers, she concluded, "I couldn't live with myself if I didn't stand up."

Sad topic

More like what's with all the Liberals making topics about flaming Conservatives because most of time we are right?

I'm a Neoconservative and damn proud of it, not that I follow everything my party believes in, I'm an independent thinker, who was NOT raised to be a Neocon, but rather I developed these beliefs through the traditional way of research.

Most liberals/socialists are raised as liberals/socialists. my parents don't tell me who to vote for, it's me who tells THEM who to vote for.

hmm just waiting for the I am a ditto head and proud of it.

Im not conservative, although some feel Im facist. I like think of myself as a left-leaning moderate.

Hissing like an insect exposed to daylight when confronted with another veiwpoint is rather unbecoming.

Hissing like an insect exposed to daylight when confronted with another veiwpoint is rather unbecoming.
You mean that hissing like a tea kettle effect I hear from Democratic Underground?

I'd rather not vote for a Republican, but unfortunatly, the Democratic choice is often worse. Gore...Kerry...blech...we need an FDR!

I'd be happy with a Rutherford B. Hayes.

You mean that hissing like a tea kettle effect I hear from Democratic Underground?

Ah yes. It's www.democraticunderground.com for all you folks sick and tired of having your ideas challenged more frequently.

And as for the libertarian thing. Libertarians don't like people telling them what they can and cannot do as a general rule. That means they usually don't like it when liberals force them to subscribe to PC/multicultural pieties in everyday conversation, they like to hire who they want to hire instead of who the Affirmative Action Board wants them to hire, and if they want a cigarette, they think they should be able to have a goddam cigarette in bar without some liberal city councilman banning smoking in all public buildings (as recently occured in Madison, WI).

I'd be happy with a Rutherford B. Hayes.
He sure looks handsome on that bill, don't he?

Ah yes. It's www.democraticunderground.com for all you folks sick and tired of having your ideas challenged more frequently.

And as for the libertarian thing. Libertarians don't like people telling them what they can and cannot do as a general rule. That means they usually don't like it when liberals force them to subscribe to PC/multicultural pieties in everyday conversation, they like to hire who they want to hire instead of who the Affirmative Action Board wants them to hire, and if they want a cigarette, they think they should be able to have a goddam cigarette in bar without some liberal city councilman banning smoking in all public buildings (as recently occured in Madison, WI).


Count me in as a libertarian then.

Most liberals/socialists are raised as liberals/socialists. my parents don't tell me who to vote for, it's me who tells THEM who to vote for.

How is that any better than the other way around?

How is that any better than the other way around?
Good question. I figure voting is up to the individual.

He sure looks handsome on that bill, don't he?

What bill? :confused:

What bill? :confused:
Whoop, you're right, i meant "Grant", not Hayes.
My bad.

Whoop, you're right, i meant "Grant", not Hayes.
My bad.

No prob... my guess is that Grant would have been a great Prez to go party with, but for ending Reconstruction, putting down a Boxer Rebellion, setting up a protectorate in Cuba and deciding the specie question (combat that bimetalism!) you need a Rutherford B. Hayes. :)

I bet he could figure out a way to save Medicare! ;)

I'd be happy with a Rutherford B. Hayes.

So would I...

So would I...

Solidarity brother!

It's good to see someone else that recognizes one of our country's greatest Presidents, yet curiously least favorite Halloween costumes...

Solidarity brother!

It's good to see someone else that recognizes one of our country's greatest Presidents, yet curiously least favorite Halloween costumes...
:D
Try being Guy La Douche ... it just doesn't work without exuding lecherousness.

I'm semi-conservative, but I am definently not a neo-con and I definently don't come in NS general for the debates.

New people are going to come, and if I don't agree with them I'll just move on.

I'm semi-conservative, but I am definently not a neo-con and I definently don't come in NS general for the debates.

New people are going to come, and if I don't agree with them I'll just move on.
YIKES! :eek:
We've got a radical here!
*brandishing dangerous logic*

Oooh .... you're too pretty to make it here. You may need to scar up a little, for cred.

YIKES! :eek:
We've got a radical here!
*brandishing dangerous logic*

Oooh .... you're too pretty to make it here. You may need to scar up a little, for cred.

How about I just brandish my tatoos, scars aren't really necessary.

On the negative side though, all of these conservative people have made the NS General semi-serious which isn't very fun...

I have an idea. Lets start up a new country, of only healthy, white, non-disabled straight christian people, with a free market economy. Said country will no doubt prosper and then we can declare war on the conservatives. Once they're eliminated we are free to economically colonize the globe and spread our ideology.

wait a second...:rolleyes:

How about I just brandish my tatoos, scars aren't really necessary.

On the negative side though, all of these conservative people have made the NS General semi-serious which isn't very fun...
Well, that kind of depends on whether or not your version of "fun" is sending their little world-views into flaming, chaotic, cognitive disarray or not. They're already a delicate, contradictory balancing act as it is. *Jenga*

Conservatives are still a minority here, though. :(

It seems, that recently, there has been an increase in the number of vocal conservatives on NS General, and I’m not talking economic conservative, I’m talking full blown social conservatives, and not the classic kind that are kind of funny, the scary neo-con kind. And not just n00bs either. It seems that conservative lurkers are coming out of the wood work and some who have been here for a relatively long time are just getting more vocal.

Now, I know that there is certainly no shortage of conservative on NS, but most of them stick to their regional boards or they RP (poorly, I’m sure), but what’s the deal. I mean, NS used to be such a nice, socially liberal place.

I blame this damn cartoon frenzy. Has anyone else noticed this, or is it just me?

Funny, I was thinking it was becoming much more Liberal (coming close to Socialism and Communism). I know that in my recent postings, I have become much more conservative. I believe that has to do with more people posting radical, or far right or left, views instead of the usual centre posts. Their posts can work me up at times, causing me to post much more radical viewpoints. When I look back on some of my recent posts, even I think they are too conservative.

It seems, that recently, there has been an increase in the number of vocal conservatives on NS General, and I’m not talking economic conservative, I’m talking full blown social conservatives, and not the classic kind that are kind of funny, the scary neo-con kind. And not just n00bs either. It seems that conservative lurkers are coming out of the wood work and some who have been here for a relatively long time are just getting more vocal.

Because a discussion board where everyone agrees with you would be rather dull.

Conservatives are still a minority here, though. :(
Ah, that's okay, the sheer volume of compensatory posts should cover the cracks up, as well as the old "martyr syndrome".
Not you specifically, but the analogy's pretty valid.

I think the middle-grounders have the advantage.

I think the middle-grounders have the advantage.
Because they're likely to argue nearly twice as much in POV than either of the 'wingers?

No, they want to go back to the good old days when there were only three news channels on TV, and none of them said anything favorable about conservatives.

I'm rather glad that NPR is going to get a massive funding cut this year, because I'm tired of its side shows like Diane Rehm, who cut off her right arm because it was on her right side.

whoa....
i am so far from being liberal it is funny,but i love npr,and i dont find it overly liberal or biased.
i listen to it alot when i am on the road and find it pretty insightfull and informative.
it is far more in depth then a normal news one liner,or headline blurb...plus it carries bbc america which i also like alot.

i'm sorry,but i have heard this allegation they are left biased,i just dont see it,and ive been listening for 2 or more years.

of coarse they have certain programs that i shake my head at,but mostly it is just reports on events and news.

i also love the weekend programs..like" hey what do you know."..quite entertaining

maybe you should give it another chance.

and the money our so called conservative gov throws around and wastes by the handfull..the amount of funding npr gets is a pittance!

i am a fiscal conservative,a strict believer in the constitution,pretty liberal socially i suppose...mostly i believe in small gov...individual freedom...the absolute minimum of gov interference in our daily lifes.

i am a huge 1st and 2nd amendment kinda guy...and i am thoroughly digusted with bush and his enormous deficit,domestic spying..ad nauseam

however...between him and kerry...total no brainer...bush.

i really hope for the day when we have legitimate third party candidates,as it stands..i will never vote democrat...and definately not neocon theocrat repub's not worthy of the name.

they give billions in subsidies to oil companies,insurance concerns,and wont give npr a drop in a sea of money because they have the temerity to point out shortcomings of the neocons.
if npr was truly a biased station,then i may agree with funding cuts..but for political...blackmail..no thanks

You mean that hissing like a tea kettle effect I hear from Democratic Underground?their forums are the only place today where you can have a reasonable, civilized discussion, because there neocons, who spread lies are being banned.
too bad the moderators here dont do the same thing.

their forums are the only place today where you can have a reasonable, civilized discussion, because there neocons, who spread lies are being banned.
too bad the moderators here dont do the same thing.

So being reasonable and civilized means banning those who disagree with you? Always knew there was something wrong with Democratic Underground.

I guess I would be economically conservative (ie leaning strongly towards libertarianism, either in the form of ultra-minimal monarchies or anarcho-capitalism), yet socially liberal (with regard to homosexuality, women, religion and so on), with some authoritarian streaks running through me (preference for Monarchy). I doubt all of this would make me Conservative though.

So being reasonable and civilized means banning those who disagree with you? Always knew there was something wrong with Democratic Underground.
The best is when they say this, and then accuse us of being close-minded.

whoa....
i am so far from being liberal it is funny,but i love npr,and i dont find it overly liberal or biased.
i listen to it alot when i am on the road and find it pretty insightfull and informative.
it is far more in depth then a normal news one liner,or headline blurb...plus it carries bbc america which i also like alot.

i'm sorry,but i have heard this allegation they are left biased,i just dont see it,and ive been listening for 2 or more years.

of coarse they have certain programs that i shake my head at,but mostly it is just reports on events and news.

i also love the weekend programs..like" hey what do you know."..quite entertaining

maybe you should give it another chance.

Thank you for your post. I didn't catch DK doing it or i would've said something.
For people who want to continue with the F*CKING BULLSH*T line about "NPR bias" should do a little research on the Tomlinson Fiasco. He was laughed and ostracized out of his job for LACK OF PROFESSIONAL INTEGRITY and LACK OF TRUTH TO HIS CLAIMS.
Note the date. Note the issues:

*ahem*
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6307632.html?display=Breaking+News
Media Reformers Push For Tomlinson Info


by John Eggerton -- Broadcasting & Cable, 2/14/2006 1:43:00 PM

Common Cause, The Center For Digital Democracy, and Free Press are not taking no for an answer when it comes to trying to collect information on former CPB Chairman Ken Tomlinson.

The groups have appealed the rejection of their November Freedom of Information Act request from the Broadcasting Board of Governors, where Tomlinson is also chairman.

Their initial request for e-mails, phone logs, and other communications between Tomlinson and the White House, CPB or anyone else about his role at CPB was denied because they were considered "personal" records rather than agency records, according to the groups.

In filing the appeal with the BBG's Access Appeal Committee, the groups argue that FOIA Officer Martha Diaz-Ortiz did not search the records but simply assumed they would not be agency communications.

"While it is unclear how Ms. Diaz-Ortiz concluded that 'all of the materials requested pertain to supposedly personal communications' (and we specifically challenge that characterization)," they wrote in their appeal, "there is no doubt that a wide range of board records potentially reference Mr. Tomlinson's CPB activities, and it is clearly improper to declare such materials beyond the reach of FOIA based solely upon their content."


The CPB Inspector General, Kenneth Konz, concluded last October that Tomlinson had "violated statutory provisions" and the board's code of ethics by dealing directly with programmers during negotiations over the creation of a public affairs program, The Journal Editorial Report, and by using "political tests" to recruit President and CEO Patricia Harrison.

At the time, Konz said that investigation "identified e-mails between the former chairman and staff in the Executive Office of the President that, while cryptic in nature, their timing and subject matter gives the appearance that the former Chairman was strongly motivated by political considerations in filling the President/CEO position." The White House contact was not identified.

"Any suggestion by Mr. Konz that I violated my fiduciary duties, the Director's Code of Ethics or relevant statutory provisions is malicious and irresponsible," Tomlinson, who subsesquently resigned, fired back at the time. "All of my actions were open, lawful, and were taken after consulting and receiving advice from CPB's General Counsel, its President, or the CPB Board of Directors. Even the most cursory and objective examination of the evidence would have demonstrated this."

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Conservatives are still a minority here, though. :(

Do you realise the paradox in that statement......

I Am A Conservative Because I Am Sick And Tired Of All Of The Liberal Do-gooders Who Are Dragging Our Country To The Pits.

Because they're likely to argue nearly twice as much in POV than either of the 'wingers?
no, because they are right

I Am A Conservative Because I Am Sick And Tired Of All Of The Liberal Do-gooders Who Are Dragging Our Country To The Pits.
IAAC BIAS A TO A OTLD WADO CTTP?!?

Dude, you need a better acronym! :D

It seems, that recently, there has been an increase in the number of vocal conservatives on NS General, and I’m not talking economic conservative, I’m talking full blown social conservatives, and not the classic kind that are kind of funny, the scary neo-con kind. And not just n00bs either. It seems that conservative lurkers are coming out of the wood work and some who have been here for a relatively long time are just getting more vocal.

Well, some of them got fed up with the liberal dominance, figured they vocal ones needed some support. :)

or they RP (poorly, I’m sure)

There is nothing nice to say about this. You, sir, are a dickhead.

I blame this damn cartoon frenzy. Has anyone else noticed this, or is it just me?

It's not just this. You see, the cartoon frenzy isn't a liberal-conservative thing. It's a freedom-of-speech vs submission-via-ultraPC. You see more because most people are agreeing on it. That's my theory, anyways.


But really, it's comments like your RP comment that has kept me away from posting anything of substance (other than the random mindless one-liner). The fact that the minute someone posts their views, fifty thousand of you guys swarm on them like piranhas, ripping them apart ad hominem until there's nothing left. We can't argue simply because you're like the Islamists protesting the cartoons, and the minute we fight you, you pick a random insult, be it bigot, sexist, redneck, et al, and ignore anything they say. Or insult any spelling and grammar mistakes. Both work.

Oh, and when I say you, I mean people that you just presented yourself to me as. The dickheads. I have had a few intelligent debates with some of my political enemies ;) , but I haven't seen them in awhile. Swimmingpool is one of them -- one of the few Generalites I respected. Eutrusca is another (although he's nothing like you). THose are the kinds of Generalites I respected, because even though they disagree with me, we could speak normally with each other. This new wave of leftist militantism, for lack of a better term, is what drove people like me, who are sick and tired of it, away, and people like your "neo-cons" to the forums, to confront your fire with fire.


But that's my theory.

Do you realise the paradox in that statement......

Do you realize the overgeneralized propaganda-spewing ignorance, there?

no, because they are right
WooT!
I like your answer better. That's the personal bias speaking in me.

But really, it's comments like your RP comment that has kept me away from posting anything of substance (other than the random mindless one-liner). The fact that the minute someone posts their views, fifty thousand of you guys swarm on them like piranhas, ripping them apart ad hominem until there's nothing left. We can't argue simply because you're like the Islamists protesting the cartoons, and the minute we fight you, you pick a random insult, be it bigot, sexist, redneck, et al, and ignore anything they say. Or insult any spelling and grammar mistakes. Both work.
This post made me tingly. Do you mind if i clip & paste for posterity? :D

*snip*

I am going to disregard your entire post because I saw a spelling mistake. In the context in which you are using it, the correct term is a while not awhile.

I don't see what's wrong with somebody posting something, and then 50,000 people swarming to discredit that post (if no insults are used). I think that's the essence of any debate.

I am going to disregard your entire post because I saw a spelling mistake. In the context in which you are using it, the correct term is a while not awhile.

I don't see what's wrong with somebody posting something, and then 50,000 thousand people swarming to discredit that post (if no insults are used). I think that's the essence of any debate.
I like swarm. Just ask Lunatic Goofballs. *nods*
I'm seriously tearing up at the hilarity of the last post. Best laugh today. :D

I like swarm. Just ask Lunatic Goofballs. *nods*
I'm seriously tearing up at the hilarity of the last post. Best laugh today. :D

A lot of newbies on this forum don't seem to recognize the idea that NS General is where you will find at least one person who vehemently disagrees with you.

Comes with the territory. If we all agreed with each other all the time, it would be insanely boring.

I don't think there's any more conservatives than there are liberals. So long as you swear copiously, then you're cool in my book (coming out March 08).

If we all agreed with each other all the time, it would be insanely boring.

I agree. We need to disagree.

A lot of newbies on this forum don't seem to recognize the idea that NS General is where you will find at least one person who vehemently disagrees with you.

Comes with the territory. If we all agreed with each other all the time, it would be insanely boring.
Agreed. I guess the trick is the title, to catch attention ... and, of course, not getting it deated/locked right off the bat.
I've been warned once, but not for my arsehole personality, for my subtle 'jack technique (for which i admitted i wasn't contributing anything useful), and GMCMilitaryArms cut me once on that INSANELY long "Star Wars vs. Star Trek" thread, thinking i was trolling. I wasn't - i was ref'ing Shatner's performance on SNL (that infamous episode) and (i think) i'd included the fact that there was an A&E biography on Shatner that people could watch to see aspects of his actual personality. Oh well.

I agree. We need to disagree.
No we don't! Where'd you get an idea like that? :rolleyes:

"What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?"

"I hate these filthy neutrals, Kif! With enemies, you know where they stand, but with neutrals—who knows. It sickens me."
-Zapp Brannigan

Just so people know, the world isn't divided into Liberals and Conservatives. In fact, from here the Liberals and Conservatives look eerily similar!

Just so people know, the world isn't divided into Liberals and Conservatives. In fact, from here the Liberals and Conservatives look eerily similar!

And it depends on what you consider conservative and liberal too; both have changed meanings over the last 200 years, that doesn't then go into the geographical differences in what defines a conservative or liberal.

Personally, if we wish to look at both sides using the US model - both sides are as bad as each other with the same social engineering bullshit of controlling people, either under the guise of 'socially progressive legislation' or the conservative tract of 'preserving traditional values' - both simply nice phrases of 'we wish to implement a watered down North Korea, and we'll run you over if you get in our way!'

Just so people know, the world isn't divided into Liberals and Conservatives. In fact, from here the Liberals and Conservatives look eerily similar!

It's divided however the hell I want it, btw.

Straughn, go ahead, I don't care. :)

And I think you missed my point. There's nothing wrong with lots of people disagreeing. As Deep Kimchi stated, if we all agreed, it's be insanely boring. But the viciousness of the attacks -- they attack the person, not the information. That's what I have a problem with. Sure, I personally insult people all the time, but it's in good fun, or because the other person was seriously a dick.


And I had a train of thought, but I was distracted by an online game and a phone, so I lost it.

Just so people know, the world isn't divided into Liberals and Conservatives. In fact, from here the Liberals and Conservatives look eerily similar!
What, with the frothing mouths and vitriol, and all?

Straughn, go ahead, I don't care. :)

And I think you missed my point. There's nothing wrong with lots of people disagreeing. As Deep Kimchi stated, if we all agreed, it's be insanely boring. But the viciousness of the attacks -- they attack the person, not the information. That's what I have a problem with. Sure, I personally insult people all the time, but it's in good fun, or because the other person was seriously a dick.


And I had a train of thought, but I was distracted by an online game and a phone, so I lost it.
Nope, i think i got it exactly. I just went about it differently. :D
See the bolded, if you would.
Or, ask Deep "International Poster of Mystery" Kimchi, i posted something along similar lines.
I just loved the way you posted it. It seriously made me laugh HARD.

Nope, i think i got it exactly. I just went about it differently. :D
See the bolded, if you would.
Or, ask Deep "International Poster of Mystery" Kimchi, i posted something along similar lines.
I just loved the way you posted it. It seriously made me laugh HARD.

Considering I don't even remember what you posted, it's cool. :D

Do you realize the overgeneralized propaganda-spewing ignorance, there?

actually.....no, what are you refering to?

I was simply implying that it was a paradox because conservatives like to keep things as they are and as they used to be, to suddenly gain conservatives would be to change how things are......