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that is still active....

Do you mean that has had the same goverment or simply the oldest nation in existance.

If the later I would have to say Egypt

Do you mean that has had the same goverment or simply the oldest nation in existance.

If the later I would have to say Egypt
I think (s)he means "on NS".

And equating Pharaonic Egypt with the Byzantine province, the Caliphate region, and Hosni Mubarak's state is a strech by any standard. Just because it has the same name in English, and flatters some laicised inhabitants of the country, it does not mean it is the same.

Not me, although I'm fairly old in the NS world I guess (December 2003).

Some African tribes, perhaps those of Mali or Berbers, or maybe nomadic tribes from the Mongolian steppes. The first one that came to my mind was the Assyrians, though.

There are a few 02 nations about I think, but I haven't seen one in ages.

I think Eut' is. Hes a granddaddy.

The oldest nation currently existing on NS is a place called Last Hope (http://www.nationstates.net/last_hope). (On the other hand, Praetor (http://www.nationstates.net/praetor) has the largest population, and there are probably a few forum posters from December 2002 as well (for example Zero-One (http://www.nationstates.net/zero-one), Myrth (http://www.nationstates.net/myrth), Coggy (http://www.nationstates.net/cogitation), Garrison II (http://www.nationstates.net/garrison_ii), and whatever incarnation Whittier's up to by now.)

The oldest player who actually tells us his age is Eutrusca at 62. The rest must be too embarrased. ;)

Can you say TMI, boys and girls?

Believe it or not----The oldest actual government that hasn't had a major change is the US. In the last 230 years every other government has had major change. No I don't remember my source and I don't know what the changes were in every country in the world. It's one of those stupid trivia things that stick in the mind.

I think Switzerland comes close. They've been doing the same thing for 1000+ years, I think. Get out of bed, put your pants on, be neutral, take your pants off, go back to bed.

Scotland was unified as a nation and Kingdom in 875, which was a fair while ago and more importantly for all Scots who need bragging rights, before England by quite some time.

There are a few 02 nations about I think, but I haven't seen one in ages.
While I joined the forum in 03, I joined NS in 02. That's why my nation has a population of over 6 billion.

Japan's empire was first formed in about the 400s AD. The same dynasty is still ruling the nation (if in name only).

Does that count?

ethiopia's stayed independant since b.c. 1000.

Actually, the Italians took over Ethiopia a couple of years before WW II.

The oldest active legislative body is the Althingi of Iceland which dates back to 930 AD. Every other civilization that predates it, has had a change of leadership/government styles since that date.

oh.

The question is pretty obviously about NS nations, not real ones...

I come close, but I'm sure there are some earlier '02ers posting from time to time.

The question is pretty obviously about NS nations, not real ones...


It's sad how many people missed that.....

Mr. Mauvasia is correct I do believe, though Last Hope is running dangerously close to inactivity.

I disagree... I like the parallelism of this thread. The fact that the innitial question was interpretable in two ways led to a novel and piquant exchange... So one conversation can develop in two parallel lines, so what? Why fear the new?

And, anyway, if we are to play a "game" of govornance, then we might as well take an interest in the real thing, eh? Aren't exactly these parallels what make the excercise interesting in the first place?

Actually, the Italians took over Ethiopia a couple of years before WW II.
Ha! That was pathetic. They had to get the Germans to lend a hand, the starving, spear-throwing Nubians were too much of a match.

Actually, the Italians took over Ethiopia a couple of years before WW II.


1941 - British and Commonwealth troops, greatly aided by the Ethiopian resistance—the arbegnoch—defeat the Italians, and restore Haile Selassie to his throne.


So as to say that Because the Japanese took a few american Islands the Americans were defeated.

It is all BS in RL anyway, the nations that enact new laws and acts or change their constitution arn't the same state

take for instance the US

AMENDMENTS 1-10 (THE BILL OF RIGHTS) (added in 1791) - Preserves the rights of the people.
Amendment 1 - Freedom of religion, press, speech
Amendment 2 - Right to bear arms
Amendment 3 - Limits the quartering of soldiers
Amendment 4 - Search and seizure of property
Amendment 5 - Right to a trial if accused, no self-incrimination required, no double-jeopardy (you cannot be tried twice for the same crime), right to compensation for takings by gov't.
Amendment 6 - Right to a speedy trial by jury and confrontation of witnesses
Amendment 7 - Right to a trial by jury in civil cases
Amendment 8 - Prohibits cruel and unusual punishment
Amendment 9 - People may have other rights, even if they are not listed here
Amendment 10 - The federal government's powers are limited to those listed in the Constitution

AMENDMENTS 11-27
Amendment 11 (1798) - Judicial limits
Amendment 12 (1804) - Method for choosing the President, Vice President
Amendment 13 (1865) - Abolished slavery
Amendment 14 (1868) - Rights of citizenship to all people born in USA or naturalized
Amendment 15 (1870) - Gives the right to vote to all citizens, regardless of color or race, but women are not mentioned
Amendment 16 (1913) - Income tax authorized
Amendment 17 (1913) - Senators elected by the popular vote
Amendment 18 (1919) - Prohibition - Liquor prohibited
Amendment 19 (1920) - Women's suffrage (voting rights)
Amendment 20 (1933) - New terms of office for the President and Congress
Amendment 21 (1933) - Amendment 18 repealed (overturned)
Amendment 22 (1951) - Presidential term limited
Amendment 23 (1961) - Presidential vote given to Washington, D. C.
Amendment 24 (1964) - Poll taxes barred (you cannot charge people to vote)
Amendment 25 (1967) - Presidential disability and succession
Amendment 26 (1971) - Voting age lowered to 18 years old (same as the age at which men can be drafted into the army)
Amendment 27 (1992) - Congressional pay increases go into effect only during the next Congressional session.


take for instance a swath of other states that don't fortify their constiution with making sense and abdridging their function in seperate documents...
atleast the UK admits it doesn't have a real constitution.

I could go over most states but it is BS regardless the closest thing you come to is religious states LIKE THE VATICAN.. which is very much the roman empire sorta (but that isn't totaly the case anyway bs.

(It is arguable that the Moshean order and the Levites order... is older.. of course the secret societies are even older potentially but lets not make this strange...

the scandanavian peninusla has seemed rather static.... but I'm geussing that is way off.

It is sorta irrelavent beceause ancestors of the original people must still be around (like me and you, we all have divine right, and we all have individual distinct cultures.. some are just more alike than others.. we all lead different lives... to say the least.. I won't confuse this since people have fairly defined concepts of nations... but the nation state is a fairly recent development.. even though arguably it could be traced back to the very begining the lines don't so much exist.. so too idoltary of national symbols to keep meaning much like words or alphabet that living legacy beyond cult following of the king or political icon etc.. it is all bs. learn your death and you will see the truth to life.

Ha! That was pathetic. They had to get the Germans to lend a hand, the starving, spear-throwing Nubians were too much of a match.
No they didn't. You got that mixed up with their Greek adventure 6 years later. Here, they used toxic gas dropped from airplanes.
In fact, Germany and Italy were bitter rivals at the time, and three years later almost went to war with each other because of the Anschluss.

No they didn't. You got that mixed up with their Greek adventure 6 years later. Here, they used toxic gas dropped from airplanes.
In fact, Germany and Italy were bitter rivals at the time, and three years later almost went to war with each other because of the Anschluss.
Where's my American history book when I need it...meh. I concied.

Where's my American history book when I need it...meh. I concied.
A thing to note is that this was the Second Italian-Ethiopian, and... well... not a quarter of the disaster the first one was for Italy.

I think Switzerland comes close. They've been doing the same thing for 1000+ years, I think. Get out of bed, put your pants on, be neutral, take your pants off, go back to bed.
Err... no.
Switzerland may have it's historical roots in 1291, but the political entity as we know it today was founded in 1848. Swiss Neutrality was recognized internationally on 20 November 1815.

I disagree... I like the parallelism of this thread. The fact that the innitial question was interpretable in two ways led to a novel and piquant exchange... So one conversation can develop in two parallel lines, so what? Why fear the new?

And, anyway, if we are to play a "game" of govornance, then we might as well take an interest in the real thing, eh? Aren't exactly these parallels what make the excercise interesting in the first place?

Yeah, me too. In fact I was dissapointed to find out what the real OP was after that title.

And it's fun to note that both possibilities engendered several possibilities.

I don't know if "Nova Castlemilk" is the oldest but it's certainly way up there.

I had two Feb 2003 nations (one got resurrected after inactivity), but it's not mine.

The oldest nation currently existing on NS is a place called Last Hope (http://www.nationstates.net/last_hope). (On the other hand, Praetor (http://www.nationstates.net/praetor) has the largest population, and there are probably a few forum posters from December 2002 as well (for example Zero-One (http://www.nationstates.net/zero-one), Myrth (http://www.nationstates.net/myrth), Coggy (http://www.nationstates.net/cogitation), Garrison II (http://www.nationstates.net/garrison_ii), and whatever incarnation Whittier's up to by now.)

The oldest player who actually tells us his age is Eutrusca at 62. The rest must be too embarrased. ;)

Can you say TMI, boys and girls?

OMG I checked Myrth's profile and the last government activity was under an hour ago! Myrth lives!:eek:

I'm old timer enough, but there are older. I'm a 'youngster' at a retirement village if you like..

OMG I checked Myrth's profile and the last government activity was under an hour ago! Myrth lives!:eek:
Of course he does. It's Myrth! :p

All I know is most of those in The Cursed Continent of Lodoss are pretty old but doubtful that any are the oldest.

Not sure how old I am, that's the real reason behind the post.

All I know is most of those in The Cursed Continent of Lodoss are pretty old but doubtful that any are the oldest.

Not sure how old I am, that's the real reason behind the post.

According to your profile:

Join Date: 09-12-2002 (d/m/y for you backward north americans)


That's at least older than Catholic Europe..

I think Switzerland comes close. They've been doing the same thing for 1000+ years, I think. Get out of bed, put your pants on, be neutral, take your pants off, go back to bed.

You don't know much about Swiss history do you?

They have a long tradition for fighting in others people's wars.

You don't know much about Swiss history do you?

They have a long tradition for fighting in others people's wars.

Yep, Swiss mercenaries were some of the best around.

I love how no one knows exactly what the first post really was asking. ^^ Then again neither do I...so I'll shut up.

Scotland was unified as a nation and Kingdom in 875, which was a fair while ago and more importantly for all Scots who need bragging rights, before England by quite some time.

Although that "unified" Scotland was basically just the Highlands (because the south-west belonged to an independant kingdom called Strathclyde, which also included parts of what's now north-western England and was culturally closer to the Welsh, whilst the south-east was part of the [English] Kingdom of Northumbria), and some of the islands offshore might already have been in Viking hands by then...

The oldest active legislative body is the Althingi of Iceland which dates back to 930 AD.

Wasn't that suspended for a century or two during the period when Iceland was under Danish rule?

Of course he does. It's Myrth! :p
he's a robot cyborg brain in a jar from the future... what do you expect? ;)

I think probably egypt or the byzantine empires.

If you count the Vatican as a stste, and not a religious entity, they've been doing there oligarchal election process for about 1600 years. (remember, the Romans only fully converted in ~380 AD:confused: (please correct me on this, but I believe it was about that time).

The swiss didn't really have a lot of good farmland or a lot of mining industries at the time, so they sold themselves as mercenaries. Hence, the 'Swiss Guard' at the vatican.

Wasn't that suspended for a century or two during the period when Iceland was under Danish rule?

Hmmm.... that's a good point. The Althingi was abolished in 1800 but was reestablished in 1843 in a consulting capacity and granted official home rule in 1874 by Denmark. So, in one sense you could say that they have the oldest legislative body... but not continuously...

Would that make the U.S. the most continuous state?

Hmmm.... that's a good point. The Althingi was abolished in 1800 but was reestablished in 1843 in a consulting capacity and granted official home rule in 1874 by Denmark. So, in one sense you could say that they have the oldest legislative body... but not continuously...

Would that make the U.S. the most continuous state?

There is also the Isle of Mann's Tynwald, which is the oldest continuous parliament.

I think they meant the oldest nation currently in existence in Nationstates. As in they have not ceased to exist... Well obviously not me! And probably one of the lowest number of posts...

Actually yeah. Does anyone know who has the largest number of posts?

Because it beats me as to how someone could have many thousands...

'Nation' also means what we might call 'peoples' for example the Amazon Nation is the community of the Amazon people. So the oldest 'nation' would probably be the Aborginies of Australia who've been living a lifestyle unchanged in culture for the last 50,000 years.

*posts to check the join date*

kk if we are goin for nation states to be honest i dont give a turd

if we are goin for actual place then china has had the largest mass culture which is unchanged for several thousands of years ( little tribes cant count because ummm just because ) if you are going for the oldest nation which is not still in existance look to somewhere is africa

kk if we are goin for nation states to be honest i dont give a turd

if we are goin for actual place then china has had the largest mass culture which is unchanged for several thousands of years ( little tribes cant count because ummm just because ) if you are going for the oldest nation which is not still in existance look to somewhere is africa

Well, the problem with China is the numerous Dynasties that have been in power. IIRC, most dynasties were a different ethnic group, and that means too much of a change to be considered nonstop.

List of dynasties: http://www-chaos.umd.edu/history/time_line.html

Austria is probably close up there. ~1278 to 1918, that's a nice Hapsburg haul. 640 years, and in a place as kind as Europe too.

Since the question contained the word "who", not "what", I believe the question was directed at who is the oldest NS player, or more accuratly, who was the first NS player.

Max Barry's nation, whatever it is called, takes the cake on that.

As for the oldest nation in exsitence, I'm sure we can get the mods to help us out on that one.

Perhaps China. I think that China has existed in some form or another for about 5,000 years.

The question is pretty obviously about NS nations, not real ones...

I come close, but I'm sure there are some earlier '02ers posting from time to time.
Talking about real nations is more interesting.

Originally Posted by Biotopia
So the oldest 'nation' would probably be the Aborginies of Australia who've been living a lifestyle unchanged in culture for the last 50,000 years.

actually the australian aboriginies could have been around as long as 60,000 years

A tribe doesn't count as a nation, if we are going by that, then there are quite a few other tribes that we could point out, such as the prehistoric Siberians who crossed the Bering Straight (it was an ice bridge back then) and populated the Americas.

Since the question contained the word "who", not "what", I believe the question was directed at who is the oldest NS player, or more accuratly, who was the first NS player.

Max Barry's nation, whatever it is called, takes the cake on that.

I think that was maxtopia, though I might be wrong. Look at the first UN resolution ever made. November 02.

The oldest nation is Testlandia, although it frequently dies and is revived. So its technically not 'active' but its still around at times.

no endorse ( dunno how to quote )

the dynasty change led to little difference in culture which is why i said culture not nation and also a change in culture of the leader leads to little difference in a regios culture e.g. take uk we have had dutch, french etc monarchs which had a different culture to us and hasnt changed the british culture at all really. dont forget our ruling family at the moment is german but it hasnt changed out culture in a german one

and to be honest the australian aborigine thing is probably about half the age of the african tribes and natives because as anybody who knows anything knows life began in africa and it would have taken thousands of years for mankind to migrate all the way to the other side of the world without a land passage to take as it means they would have had to get all the way up into the middle east and then through the deserts and plains and plateaus and mountains of west asia and then through the mountains and forests of china
then though the jungles of vietname
then sailed down to indonesia then south agains into more indonesian islands
and then south again to australia
which takes a long time without a plane

Were you around in 60,000 BC? How do you know those islands existed back then? There could have been a land passage to Australia from the mainland of Asia.

I think that was maxtopia, though I might be wrong. Look at the first UN resolution ever made. November 02.

Maxtopia is gone, but there IS a nation of Maxtopia1, which has a population fo 95 million. Could be newb doing it for kicks, or maybe Max making a new nation.

real world one of the oddest contenders is the isle of man.....

800's I think

never changed

direct line down to now

the earth takes millions of years to change not thousands so there would have been little difference and the point still stand that there has been no bridge between africa and australia and so we still would have had to move halfway round the world

In terms of consistent self-rule without ever having been ruled by a foreign power, surely San Marino comes out first? Self-governing since 301AD. Difficult to talk about France because the nature of the kingdom changed so much from 5th to 14th centuries AD, similar to England (more or less independent as a country from 878 AD, unconquered since 1042, if you accept William's claim to the throne, if not then from 1066, but technically vanished from 1707's Act of Union).

China and Japan would be around and about in the sense that you can trace a line from the 2nd century BC to today and neither were ever "conquered" in their entirety...although Mongol rule of the former was pretty dominant.

no endorse ( dunno how to quote )

the dynasty change led to little difference in culture which is why i said culture not nation but fair point

and to be honest the australian aborigine thing is probably about half the age of the african tribes and natives because as anybody who knows anything knows life began in africa and it would have taken thousands of years for mankind to migrate all the way to the other side of the world without a land passage to take as it means they would have had to get all the way up into the middle east and then through the deserts and plains and plateaus and mountains of west asia and then through the mountains and forests of china
then though the jungles of vietname
then sailed down to indonesia then south agains into more indonesian islands
and then south again to australia
which takes a long time without a plane


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I don't remember where I saw it, but there was a discovery of some very ancient artifacts in central/south america. Those things were too old to correspond with migration patterns from Asia, so there is a distinct possibility that there was some sort of sea travel capable of getting people to South America across the Pacific.

If that's possible, it is much easier to get across the Indian ocean than the Pacific. So there could be people in places we've never thought of. It is unlikely, by the way, that they mae it across the atlantic at the time, even though it is a smaller ocean. It is far too stormy, but who knows? You really can't tell when it comes to migration patterns, ocean crossings don't leave much evidence.

mongol rule changed china very little which made them ( the word isnt quite popular ) with the chinese people which explains ther success and the longeivity of their rule

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I don't remember where I saw it, but there was a discovery of some very ancient artifacts in central/south america. Those things were too old to correspond with migration patterns from Asia, so there is a distinct possibility that there was some sort of sea travel capable of getting people to South America across the Pacific.

If that's possible, it is much easier to get across the Indian ocean than the Pacific. So there could be people in places we've never thought of. It is unlikely, by the way, that they mae it across the atlantic at the time, even though it is a smaller ocean. It is far too stormy, but who knows? You really can't tell when it comes to migration patterns, ocean crossings don't leave much evidence.

Or maybe the Africa theory (which is not a solid fact) is wrong.

But hey, reed boats (which were used in ancient Egypt and are some of the oldest seacraft known to man) aren't that hard to construct, how do we now that migrating cultures couldn't build them?

On the other hand, crossing the Atlantic in a reed boat is, safe to say, impossible.

kk im gonna say this the least rascist i can

if you just look at the people you can see a change, africans slowly look more arab as you go north and arabs look more indian as you go east and indians look more chinese and you east more and american indians look slightly chinese , this in itslef is a way of showinga migration pattern, how the people look. if there was a huge change e.g. red indian to european then it is clear to see that we didnt migrate that way

If you count the Vatican as a stste, and not a religious entity, they've been doing there oligarchal election process for about 1600 years. (remember, the Romans only fully converted in ~380 AD:confused: (please correct me on this, but I believe it was about that time).

The swiss didn't really have a lot of good farmland or a lot of mining industries at the time, so they sold themselves as mercenaries. Hence, the 'Swiss Guard' at the vatican.

If you count the Vatican as a stste, and not a religious entity, they've been doing there oligarchal election process for about 1600 years. (remember, the Romans only fully converted in ~380 AD:confused: (please correct me on this, but I believe it was about that time).

The swiss didn't really have a lot of good farmland or a lot of mining industries at the time, so they sold themselves as mercenaries. Hence, the 'Swiss Guard' at the vatican.

Yes, but depending on your take on the Babylonian Captivity, they may have switched governments there, and if you're going to count the Glorious Revolution or Act of Union in England as a change in government, then you'd probably also have to count the Counter-Reformation and Vatican II as a change in government, because those were at least as sweeping a change as either of the English events.

So you could very well say that the Vatican has in effect changed their government several times.

And I'm probably the oldest regular poster on the boards, as while there are about 90-some-odd nations that are older than mine, most of them have gone very quiet in the last year or so.

Max Barry's nation, whatever it is called, takes the cake on that.
That was Maxtopia, which died in early '03 because everyone was spamming it with telegrams.

As for the oldest nation in exsitence, I'm sure we can get the mods to help us out on that one.
I searched for the NS Census thread from summer '05. Apparently Mauvasia is correct that Last Hope is the oldest extant nation. Although, it's running close to death at 32 days inactive.

Oh noes!

And I'm probably the oldest regular poster on the boards, as while there are about 90-some-odd nations that are older than mine, most of them have gone very quiet in the last year or so.
Catholic Europe has over 11,000 posts and he's a December '02 nation. There are also a few regular posters, mods, and RPers still around from early '03 or '02: Tiburon, Chellis, Armacor, Cogitation, etc.

Catholic Europe has over 11,000 posts and he's a December '02 nation. There are also a few regular posters, mods, and RPers still around from early '03 or '02: Tiburon, Chellis, Armacor, Cogitation, etc.

I know that CE and Chellis are still around and vastly outrank me in total posts. It's just that I don't see much of them now. Granted, I'm pretty much an exclusive general boarder, but they are a lot more quiet than they used to be.

Hmmm.... that's a good point. The Althingi was abolished in 1800 but was reestablished in 1843 in a consulting capacity and granted official home rule in 1874 by Denmark. So, in one sense you could say that they have the oldest legislative body... but not continuously...

Would that make the U.S. the most continuous state?


Continuous in what sense... the british are older than the americans by default.

1660 was the restoration......... but stuff happened........ it all changes.

It is B.S.
Who is the oldest person alive, maybe theey are the oldest nation? Ask them if they have the same one they were born with, and it may be a start.

The US ain't the oldest. They WERE FOUNDED ON A CHARTER and a Revolt.
Britian was around far before that.. sure they had a civil war lasting 20 or so years.... uhm......??? and their leader had their head chopped off (charles) but abraham lincoln was shot dead, at the 'end' of a civil war.... ....

french republic is quite old.. how do you say a nation?

is it the form of passing power? is it the name of the state.. the principality of poland is like one of the first 'states' in the world that is still sorta around.. nothing is the same as it was then.. it is just bs bs and more bs.

Continuous in what sense... the british are older than the americans by default.
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At the time Britian was ruled by the word of the King. It is now ruled by Parliment with little royal power. I would say that is a fundamental change.

Britian was around far before that.. sure they had a civil war lasting 20 or so years.... uhm......??? and their leader had their head chopped off (charles) but abraham lincoln was shot dead, at the 'end' of a civil war.... ....


Ah, but Britain isn't a nation. At best the UK has existed in its current form since only either 1801 or at worst 1922.

Continuous in what sense... the british are older than the americans by default.

1660 was the restoration......... but stuff happened........ it all changes.

It is B.S.
Who is the oldest person alive, maybe theey are the oldest nation? Ask them if they have the same one they were born with, and it may be a start.

The US ain't the oldest. They WERE FOUNDED ON A CHARTER and a Revolt.
Britian was around far before that.. sure they had a civil war lasting 20 or so years.... uhm......??? and their leader had their head chopped off (charles) but abraham lincoln was shot dead, at the 'end' of a civil war.... ....

french republic is quite old.. how do you say a nation?

is it the form of passing power? is it the name of the state.. the principality of poland is like one of the first 'states' in the world that is still sorta around.. nothing is the same as it was then.. it is just bs bs and more bs.

If we're talking about real-world nations, I think you would have to go with current governmental form, or official state name. If you went by ethnicity alone, it would be difficult to classify, since everyone basically dates back to something.

I'm not entirely sure why America's founding on revolution is an issue here... many countries were founded by revolution. France, as you mentioned, surely was, and after the United States I might add.

Since this whole thread seems to be based on NS states anyway, and wasn't very specific, I think we need more specific terms before we can really determine 'who is the oldest.'

Well, the UK is made up of Home Nations far, far, far older than the collective United Kingdom itself. Whilst Scotland in 875 doesn't constitute the entirety of Scotland in 2006, it is recognisably the foundation of the nation, which expands but does not lose territory from its original coalition.

So, from 875 to 2006 as the Kingdom of Scotland, and still going -- That's got to put a dent if we're considering Nations/Countries/Whatever you like to call it that are still in existance today.

At the very least Great Britain as a supranational entity, is older than the United States; England and Scotland unifiying to form it in 1707, and then going on to found the colonies which would eventually make up the thirteen states and the United States as it would come to be known.

Who was the first nation....then....(in NationStates).....and in the Real World.....Does Max Barry have one?

Who was the first nation....then....(in NationStates).....and in the Real World.....Does Max Barry have one?
Max had Maxtopia I believe. However, he had a tough time playing as that because of the intense attention he got. He plays the game under -secret account names- now I believe.

Conspiracy time :eek:

I'd say China would technically fit that role, depending on what you define as a continously existent nation.

Hmm, interesting.I do know an undercover Max Barry Nation, not telling though!

Hmm, interesting.I do know an undercover Max Barry Nation, not telling though!

really? hmm . . . .
*pokes with pointed stick*
TELL ME!

If we're talking about real world nations, and define 'oldest nation' by some sort of combination of governmental and rough territorial continuity, then the winner by a country mile is:

The Most Serene Republic of San Marino, with a population of c.28,000, and a land area of 61 square kilometres.

Tradition states that the Republic was founded in 301 AD by a Christian stonemason called Marinus.

Even if this date isn't fully accepted, a free commune of San Marino is recorded in the 10th century.

The current system of government - two captains regent as joint heads of state - was established in 1243, the earliest recorded statutes date to 1263, and the Papal States are recorded as recognising the 'ancient independence' of San Marino in 1293.

The land area of San Marino consisted of only Mount Titano until 1463, but it gained a couple of towns at the mountain's base from 1463-1464, since which point its borders have remained essentially unchanged - not that the expansion added much land area by most standards.

The current written version of the constitution was adopted on October the 8th, 1600.

The nation has been occupied by foreign troops on only three brief occasions, all lasting for less than a year:
1503 (brief occupation by the Borgias)
1739 (brief occupation by Cardinal Alberoni)
1944 (brief occupation by both retreating Germans and Allied forces, despite the Republic's neutrality)

The Serene Republic is a full member of the Council of Europe and the United Nations, and even sends a [football] team to World Cup and European Championship qualifiers.


So unless you can find me another internationally-recognised nation with a governmental system that's existed without break or change in its current form since the mid-13th century, and which has changed its borders by less than 60 square kilometres since the 10th century, I'd say San Marino wins hands down.

I think I first arrived in one of the A months in 03. While I may not be the oldest, I am up there I suppose. Although I don’t post here all that often any more.

I believe the oldest nation is the person who has been here the longest.


That's all I got...

Who is the first nation on NS.....

Who is the first nation on NS.....

I don't know much from the far-flung origins of yesteryear, but I'd assume the first nation was whatever the testbed nation was when they were writing this thing.

Intresting.....*grabs stick from dude/dudet poking him breaks it and throws it to the side*......

But, aanyways, who is the last nation to join in the Real World?

Intresting.....*grabs stick from dude/dudet poking him breaks it and throws it to the side*......

But, aanyways, who is the last nation to join in the Real World?

Israel is up there. Hmm... some of those soviet republics too.

However, both of those actually represent just the modern incarnation of older societies. We'd have to count that in. We can't consider N/S Korea, because Korea has been there for quite some time, tis an artificial split.

It would probably be a colony of old Europe, because that was starting fresh with a new society for the area. (EDIT: and wiping out the old one in good ol European fasion)

According to Google, the wise and powerful, it is Timor-Leste. SeaLand might be younger, but SeaLand isn't really a country, more of a joke.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/tt.html

how could you people leave out Sumeria!?!? It was the worlds first civilization at around 3500 bc. As for current countries, Ill go w/ San Marino

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Believe it or not----The oldest actual government that hasn't had a major change is the US. In the last 230 years every other government has had major change. No I don't remember my source and I don't know what the changes were in every country in the world. It's one of those stupid trivia things that stick in the mind.

uhm..... articals of confederation..... duh.

yeah man, from 13 countrie, to 1 country with 13 states!

uhm..... articals of confederation..... duh.
From the constitution...................DUH

yeha man, form a government with too much power, to a government with join power with its people!

The oldest active legislative body is the Althingi of Iceland which dates back to 930 AD. Every other civilization that predates it, has had a change of leadership/government styles since that date.

So has Iceland. You came under Danish rule, remember? I'd say that's a change in leadership for a fairly long amount of time.

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I should say the oldest contry is Jenrak!!!!!

If the later I would have to say Egypt
Egypt is positively new, merely 3000 BC. Places like Ur, a city state admittedly, were huge thousands of years before that. China is only some 2300 years old.

*sigh* I feel so young again. ;)

Meh....anyone know of and good Ancient War Tech RPs?


continue on with this debate however.

the quote tags (which you place around the text you want to quote in your post) are [.q.u.o.t.e.] and [./.q.o.u.t.e.] (without those periods)


I don't remember where I saw it, but there was a discovery of some very ancient artifacts in central/south america. Those things were too old to correspond with migration patterns from Asia, so there is a distinct possibility that there was some sort of sea travel capable of getting people to South America across the Pacific.

If that's possible, it is much easier to get across the Indian ocean than the Pacific. So there could be people in places we've never thought of. It is unlikely, by the way, that they mae it across the atlantic at the time, even though it is a smaller ocean. It is far too stormy, but who knows? You really can't tell when it comes to migration patterns, ocean crossings don't leave much evidence.

There are a number of South and Central American Migration Stories. Including some that place the existance of brazilian caves at 15kbc and earlier.
There are definite tales such as the Verachoca that come off as a prechristian christian tale, did the spaniards make it up somehow crazy stuff

http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr6d.htm of course the babylonians sumer ect. and other early and prehistories are interesting tales of sky gods and other such things. There may have been a number of 'small' migrations, including from africa. Heard of the black native tribes etc..

From the constitution...................DUHThe Constitution was ratified in 1789. The Articles of the Confederation predate the Constitution.

I'm only a month from being put in the elite Dec 2002 category, but noo gotta be in the damn Feb 2003.

Japan's empire was first formed in about the 400s AD. The same dynasty is still ruling the nation (if in name only).

Does that count?that is a Diehard dynasty indeed.

The Constitution was ratified in 1789. The Articles of the Confederation predate the Constitution.
No defication!

From the constitution the US government hasn't fundamentally changed. All of the countries of the world have had fundamental change.

I'm early 05 Person, and I have just barely over 1.300 Bil population.:eek:

I hope to change that though :rolleyes:

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Hey! None of that going bump stuff! Old nations are trying to take their naps.

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