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I hunt. I eat what I kill. Not all by myself, of course, I mean...I can eat a lot, but not THAT much! Anyway.

I really think that trophy hunting should be banned. By trophy hunting, I mean the practice of killing for sport, taking home a 'trophy' (head, antlers, whatever), and leaving the carcass to rot. In order to best regulate trophy hunting, what I'd like to see is the following:

1. Trophy hunters must pay for the cutting and wrapping of the animal they have killed, in order to keep their 'trophy'.
2. Cut and wrapped meat would be deposited with Fish and Wildlife, frozen, and then distributed to needy families.
3. Hunters caught with a 'trophy' and no receipt for the cut and wrap, would have their trophies confiscated.

Thoughts?

how is this not imposing on thier rights to trophy hunt?

oh, I think it's a good idea and all, I am just being devil's advocate today.

"Outlaw trophy hunting!"

You mean ... I have to give up my trophy wife??? :eek:

I hunt. I eat what I kill. Not all by myself, of course, I mean...I can eat a lot, but not THAT much! Anyway.

I really think that trophy hunting should be banned. By trophy hunting, I mean the practice of killing for sport, taking home a 'trophy' (head, antlers, whatever), and leaving the carcass to rot. In order to best regulate trophy hunting, what I'd like to see is the following:

1. Trophy hunters must pay for the cutting and wrapping of the animal they have killed, in order to keep their 'trophy'.
2. Cut and wrapped meat would be deposited with Fish and Wildlife, frozen, and then distributed to needy families.
3. Hunters caught with a 'trophy' and no receipt for the cut and wrap, would have their trophies confiscated.

Thoughts?Agree. Though if they use the Safari Club International "Hunters for the Hungry" program, they should still be allowed the included price-break.

how is this not imposing on thier rights to trophy hunt? There is no right to trophy hunt. The only people who have the 'right' to hunt, are aboriginal people. Everyone else must pay for the privilege.

oh, I think it's a good idea and all, I am just being devil's advocate today.
No problem. I'll take your points seriously.

I hunt. I eat what I kill. Not all by myself, of course, I mean...I can eat a lot, but not THAT much! Anyway.

I really think that trophy hunting should be banned. By trophy hunting, I mean the practice of killing for sport, taking home a 'trophy' (head, antlers, whatever), and leaving the carcass to rot. In order to best regulate trophy hunting, what I'd like to see is the following:

1. Trophy hunters must pay for the cutting and wrapping of the animal they have killed, in order to keep their 'trophy'.
2. Cut and wrapped meat would be deposited with Fish and Wildlife, frozen, and then distributed to needy families.
3. Hunters caught with a 'trophy' and no receipt for the cut and wrap, would have their trophies confiscated.

Thoughts?


Most people in the US who hunt deer get the meat processed and they eat the meat. Most also keep the head and antlers.

I know a great number of hunters in Virginia who give the meat to food kitchens after paying to have it processed.

I'm with the eat what you shoot crowd, and I don't think there's much reason to shoot, say, bears. Unless a bear is attacking you (and really, it's their forest), there isn't a need for bear hunting.

I have friends who went on African safaris, and of the meat they didn't eat, the rest was consumed promptly by the families of the guides.

Depends on who is hunting and who is running the hunt - I don't have a lot of patience for people who hunt only for the trophy, or who go to staged hunts.

There is no right to trophy hunt. The only people who have the 'right' to hunt, are aboriginal people. Everyone else must pay for the privilege.
okay you win. ;)

"Outlaw trophy hunting!"

You mean ... I have to give up my trophy wife??? :eek:

Not if you eat her.

There is no right to trophy hunt. The only people who have the 'right' to hunt, are aboriginal people. Everyone else must pay for the privilege.

Wait I'm confused. First in this statement you say there is no right to hunt but then in the next sentence you say the only people who have the right to hunt are aboriginal people. :confused:

I like it! Where do I sign?

I don't know of any trophy hunters that don't eat their kill or donate/give away their kill. The phrases "It's just not done" and "Bad form" come to mind.

Sounds like you're creating a new crime. Really, it's better left as an unwritten code or more' amongst hunters that it's not OK to shoot what you don't intend to consume.

Not if you eat her.
Excellent! I've already done so ... repeatedly! :D

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Not if you eat her.
You need to pay for the keyboard I just ruined with nasally-sprayed coffee.

I really think that trophy hunting should be banned. By trophy hunting, I mean the practice of killing for sport, taking home a 'trophy' (head, antlers, whatever), and leaving the carcass to rot. In order to best regulate trophy hunting, what I'd like to see is the following:

1. Trophy hunters must pay for the cutting and wrapping of the animal they have killed, in order to keep their 'trophy'.
2. Cut and wrapped meat would be deposited with Fish and Wildlife, frozen, and then distributed to needy families.
3. Hunters caught with a 'trophy' and no receipt for the cut and wrap, would have their trophies confiscated.

Thoughts?

Good concept in principle. I support "hunters for the hungry" programs as well. What about endorsed hunts for the purpose of culling excessive populations that are not generally "Food" animals (ie, bears, wolves, cougars, coyotes)?

Wait I'm confused. First in this statement you say there is no right to hunt but then in the next sentence you say the only people who have the right to hunt are aboriginal people. :confused:
That's right. :D But you'll notice I actually said there is no right to trophy hunt. Aboriginals have the right to hunt, for subsistence...not for collecting trophies. Non-aboriginals do not have the right to hunt at all...they pay for the privilege by purchasing licenses and tags.

You need to pay for the keyboard I just ruined with nasally-sprayed coffee.
LOL! Tsk! What a waste of perfectly good coffee ( I assume. ) :D

i think its a good plan. its creepy to leave a dismembered carcas in the woods.

it makes great sense to require "proper" disposal of the non-trophy portion of a kill. and it could help feed those who need the extra food.

I hunt. I eat what I kill. Not all by myself, of course, I mean...I can eat a lot, but not THAT much! Anyway.
BTW, when are you going to invite me north to go hunting with you? You do Caribou or Deer?

(I mean, the Mounties should let me back in... maybe... at least I think the statute of limitations has expired.... ):eek:

That's right. :D But you'll notice I actually said there is no right to trophy hunt. Aboriginals have the right to hunt, for subsistence...not for collecting trophies. Non-aboriginals do not have the right to hunt at all...they pay for the privilege by purchasing licenses and tags.

Ok that clears it up for me.

I don't know of any trophy hunters that don't eat their kill or donate/give away their kill. The phrases "It's just not done" and "Bad form" come to mind.

Sounds like you're creating a new crime. Really, it's better left as an unwritten code or more' amongst hunters that it's not OK to shoot what you don't intend to consume.
It's hardly a new crime. Trophy hunting is generally not done by the average hunter. Where you tend to see it the most is on 'hunting vacations'. For example, 'hunters' from all over the world pay huge bucks to come to Canada to hunt. If they pay for a guide, the guide may get the meat. If they decide to go on their own, they know they can't afford to ship the meat home, so they take the antlers. Many people want to hunt bear, which few people would eat anyway...so the point is not to feed yourself or others, but to prove you're a big tough guy. Not a new crime. A very old one. Buffalo hunts...ring a bell?

Good concept in principle. I support "hunters for the hungry" programs as well. What about endorsed hunts for the purpose of culling excessive populations that are not generally "Food" animals (ie, bears, wolves, cougars, coyotes)?

These kinds of hunts are usually conducted by local farmers anyway, when wolves, coyotes, or even wild boar (yum!) become a danger to humans or livestock. There is protocol to be followed. You get to keep the wild boar, and you usually bring in the head as proof, and sometimes for payment for the kill. It depends on the situation.

BTW, when are you going to invite me north to go hunting with you? You do caribou or Deer? Moose, deer...we go up to the Northwest Territories for Caribou. We haven't hunted much elk though. And I'll never hear the end of it if I invite some damn USian to go hunting with me:)

(I mean, the Mounties should let me back in... maybe... at least I think the statute of limitations has expired.... ):eek:
Hmmmm...>_>

I like the concept of having a system in place for meat distribution. However, I wouldn't want such a system to encourage people to go out and hunt because they believe that they need to in order to help feed the hungry. That's a quick path to the depletion of stocks. To be brutally honest, part of me wants to say that no non-aboriginal should be hunting for food anyway, but then the more reasonable part of me remembers how many poor white folk live in rural areas too, and who genuinely need the meat. Still...I'd rather that the people who NEED the meat, go out and get it themselves (or have a family member do it), than a trophy hunter who makes himself feel good about his hunting practices just because someone gets the meat. Seriously. What the hell is the point of killing an animal if you aren't hungry?

These kinds of hunts are usually conducted by local farmers anyway, when wolves, coyotes, or even wild boar (yum!) become a danger to humans or livestock. There is protocol to be followed. You get to keep the wild boar, and you usually bring in the head as proof, and sometimes for payment for the kill. It depends on the situation.


In the US, the various conservation depts. sponsor the occasional culling hunts. There was a huge deal over the bear hunts in NJ. These are cases w/ hunters obtaining special permits to be used in certain areas at certain times but is in effect a "trophy hunt".

I agree w/ you that going out and shooting things just to take a head w/o any sort of benefit to the environment or to get food is not cricket.

Look, you may obviously disagree with trophy hunting, but it is not for the government to decide whether it is right or not. It is another way for man to feel his superiority over animals, and it does little harm while making your subjects happy.

Don't forget that hunting usually is a "harvesting" issue. If you lived in the Midwest of the US (as I do) you would know what a mess we'd have if we didn't harvest the White-tail deer population each year.
I agree with the trophy hunting issue. Let 'em pay and let the meat be eaten!
I fortunately have a neighbor who regularly shares his kills with my family.:)

I enjoy hunting outlaw trophies! hehe

Look, you may obviously disagree with trophy hunting, but it is not for the government to decide whether it is right or not.Really? Then perhaps you can outline what exactly the government gets to decide is right or wrong. Right now, hunting is regulated by the government. Do you take issue with that? Right now, I can hunt without a license, and you can not. Does that bother you? Talk to the government.

It is another way for man to feel his superiority over animals, and it does little harm while making your subjects happy.
Does little harm? Tell that to my people who lost the buffalo because of trophy hunting and intentional extermination. There is absolutely no valid reason to hunt an animal and waste the meat.

If you eat meat, you really cannot go around making these distinctions.

http://hometown.aol.com/sonee41/images/deer%20hunting.jpg

Moose, deer...we go up to the Northwest Territories for Caribou. We haven't hunted much elk though. And I'll never hear the end of it if I invite some damn USian to go hunting with me:)
Peh. I'm not USian, I'm Alaskan. I'm just stuck in Chicagoland for the present.

Hmmmm...>_>Well, they DID let me cross north of Dawson City a few years ago (ToTW Hwy)... and I even had a shotgun wih me... so I'm probably safe. :D

http://hometown.aol.com/sonee41/images/deer%20hunting.jpg
LOL! I wish I had the forsight/presence of mind to take a picture like that!

I hunt. I eat what I kill. Not all by myself, of course, I mean...I can eat a lot, but not THAT much! Anyway.

I really think that trophy hunting should be banned. By trophy hunting, I mean the practice of killing for sport, taking home a 'trophy' (head, antlers, whatever), and leaving the carcass to rot. In order to best regulate trophy hunting, what I'd like to see is the following:

1. Trophy hunters must pay for the cutting and wrapping of the animal they have killed, in order to keep their 'trophy'.
2. Cut and wrapped meat would be deposited with Fish and Wildlife, frozen, and then distributed to needy families.
3. Hunters caught with a 'trophy' and no receipt for the cut and wrap, would have their trophies confiscated.

Thoughts?


Hold on to your hat! Are you ready for this? I agree 100%! Killing an animal to eat is one thing. Killing it for its pretty horns is just stupid.

But if people feel the need, I don't see why the meat can't be put to good use. I remeber being young and my Mom was broke, and my neighbor shot a deer, and brought us 50 lbs of meat. It was better than Christmas!

If you eat meat, you really cannot go around making these distinctions.
I absolutely can...the distinction between killing-to-eat and killing-for-fun. The majority of the meat I eat, I kill myself. And the meat I don't kill, I eat as well...those animals weren't slaughtered 'for fun'.

I absolutely can...the distinction between killing-to-eat and killing-for-fun. The majority of the meat I eat, I kill myself. And the meat I don't kill, I eat as well...those animals weren't slaughtered 'for fun'.

You don't have to eat meat. You eat meat for pleasure, nothing more. Whether the pleasure is derived from the killing, or derived from the consumption is irrelevant.

And let's be fair here. If you are using a gun to hunt, you are cheating anyway.

You don't have to eat meat. You eat meat for pleasure, nothing more. Whether the pleasure is derived from the killing, or derived from the consumption is irrelevant. That might be your cultural view on the issue. It isn't mine. My people are not vegetarians, and we respect what we harvest from the land, including animals. Your issues with meat are YOUR issues. Not truths.

And let's be fair here. If you are using a gun to hunt, you are cheating anyway.
Yes, I should be out there in buckskin, hunting with a bow and arrow:rolleyes:

That might be your cultural view on the issue. It isn't mine. My people are not vegetarians, and we respect what we harvest from the land, including animals. Your issues with meat are YOUR issues. Not truths.

Well then, don't go around telling people that they can't trophy hunt. It might be their culture to do so. Your issues with trophy hunting are YOUR issues, not truths.

Yes, I should be out there in buckskin, hunting with a bow and arrow:rolleyes:

I bow hunt. But what you say is true. Real skill with a stickbow is pretty much confined to the white community. I've heard some of the japanese are pretty good too, however they don't come to NA.

Well then, don't go around telling people that they can't trophy hunt. It might be their culture to do so. Your issues with trophy hunting are YOUR issues, not truths. I knew you'd toss that in there. Nice try. How about we just ban the (mainly) foreigners then that come to Canada to trophy hunt? They can keep their culture in their homeland rather than invading mine.

I bow hunt. But what you say is true. Real skill with a stickbow is pretty much confined to the white community. I've heard some of the japanese are pretty good too, however they don't come to NA.
Aww, how nice. After killing indians with superior firepower, the whites are 'getting back to nature' and learning to use the bow. That's really sweet. You also apparently are a trophy hunter (or am I misreading your objections to this thread?). So you derive pleasure from the killing? And that's better than eating meat?

That might be your cultural view on the issue. It isn't mine. My people are not vegetarians, and we respect what we harvest from the land, including animals. Your issues with meat are YOUR issues. Not truths.


Yes, I should be out there in buckskin, hunting with a bow and arrow:rolleyes:


did you say you've got Cree ancestry?

my dad worked with Chippewa in northern wisconsin while I was a kid... now works for a regional native american health care administration council.

did you say you've got Cree ancestry? That makes it sound like my great, great, great, great grandma was Cree or something:). My mom is Cree...I wouldn't call that ancestry exactly:)

Aww, how nice. After killing indians with superior firepower, the whites are 'getting back to nature' and learning to use the bow. That's really sweet. You also apparently are a trophy hunter (or am I misreading your objections to this thread?). So you derive pleasure from the killing? And that's better than eating meat?

I thought it was mostly disease that killed the indigenous people, not firepower.

I thought it was mostly disease that killed the indigenous people, not firepower.
Did I say mostly? I suppose we could put disease in there as superior firepower...'biological weapons' and such...I still don't accept blankets from strangers.

That might be your cultural view on the issue. It isn't mine. My people are not vegetarians, and we respect what we harvest from the land, including animals. Your issues with meat are YOUR issues. Not truths.


Pwned
A better way would be to give the meat to the taxidermist(or guide) the they could give it to the:poor,the butcher or keep it.

Yes, I should be out there in buckskin, hunting with a bow and arrow:rolleyes:
w00t! I definately want to head out to the bush with you now!

Hot Injun Mama in Buckskins. You are making me drool. :fluffle:

And Lac, I'm a bit confused here. You talk about not needing to eat meat, so I make the assumption that you live by your words, and don't eat meat. But apparently you hunt. So you kill animals, but you don't eat meat. So your reasons for not eating meat are clearly not ethical ones, but rather based on what...health? It's okay to be wasteful, and take an animal's life, but it's unhealthy to eat that animal? Or is it that you DO eat meat, but consider it unnecessary, so you eat meat, but not the meat you hunt?

trophy hunting is only the first step. soon to be outlawed too:

picking fruits unless you eat them
cutting trees unless you use the wood
swimming in water unless you drink it
buying cars unless you drive them
owning a book unless you read it
playing soccer unless you score

That makes it sound like my great, great, great, great grandma was Cree or something:). My mom is Cree...I wouldn't call that ancestry exactly:)

ahhh, but it is, grasshopper: it's your immediate ancestry.

hehe

trophy hunting is only the first step. soon to be outlawed too: Did you actually read the definition of trophy hunting, whereby the meat is wasted? And you object to this because you see it as equal to:

picking fruits unless you eat them
cutting trees unless you use the wood
swimming in water unless you drink it
buying cars unless you drive them
owning a book unless you read it
playing soccer unless you score
Yes. Killing an animal for sport, letting its body rot rather than using the meat is EXACTLY like all these things.

ahhh, but it is, grasshopper: it's your immediate ancestry.

hehe
Doesn't your ancestor have to be dead before they get that name?

But then again, my mom's ancestors, who are also mine, are Cree as well, so we could skip her and go straight to them...

And Lac, I'm a bit confused here. You talk about not needing to eat meat, so I make the assumption that you live by your words, and don't eat meat. But apparently you hunt. So you kill animals, but you don't eat meat. So your reasons for not eating meat are clearly not ethical ones, but rather based on what...health? It's okay to be wasteful, and take an animal's life, but it's unhealthy to eat that animal? Or is it that you DO eat meat, but consider it unnecessary, so you eat meat, but not the meat you hunt?

I eat meat, and I never trophy hunted. Anyway hunting is a wildlife management tool.

Anyway, your problem seem to be with people hunting on native land. You should take it up with the natives, they have complete dominion.

If it's not on native land, I don't see how the issue effects you from the things you have said. The cree didn't used to control the entirity of canada, you know.

Haven't read the whole thread, but don't most states have a donation program? And large animals have to be picked up and checked in most.

While we're outlawing things. Let's do away with dove and quail seasons. There isn't enough meat on either to bother.

And why don't states allow the sale of meat from fur animals. I know a guy that sold coon meat but was shut down by the state because you can't sell wild meat. The people buying it had grown up on wild meat and really loved it. It was almost a family tradition.

Yes. Killing an animal for sport, letting its body rot rather than using the meat is EXACTLY like all these things.well, yes, it is. picking a shiny apple and then not eating but letting it go to waste should be a crime. being so decadent to waste water on a bath or in a swimmingpool without drinking it is an insult to thirsting people in the sahel zone in africa as is wasting resources on things like books, that are not being read, while those poor people have to use dung to cook food.
and a car, that is bought purely as an exhibit or status symbol and not needed for transportation is the pinnacle of waste! we need laws to prevent that.
even doing sport without purpose can not be tollerated as the sporting people will use up extra energy and require extra food while the people in north korea have to be hungry with a hand of rice a day! also the athletes exhale more CO2 which kills the climate, another good reason to make a law against it.

Doesn't your ancestor have to be dead before they get that name?

But then again, my mom's ancestors, who are also mine, are Cree as well, so we could skip her and go straight to them...

yah (UP Michigan accent -- jah), whatever floats your boat (love that one).

another cool word is forebears.

lol

Did you actually read the definition of trophy hunting, whereby the meat is wasted? And you object to this because you see it as equal to:

Yes. Killing an animal for sport, letting its body rot rather than using the meat is EXACTLY like all these things.

No, because hunting is a wildlife managment tool. If the population doesn't need culling, you shouldn't hunt. If it does, they have to be culled whether you eat the meat or not. Despite what you think, it's not really an alternative to 'harvesting'.

So it's not EXACTLY like those things at all.

Also, there is more to hunting than just getting meat. Which is why I would never use a rifle.

You don't have to eat meat.

To stay healthy without resorting to a lot of synthetics (which I don't think are necessarily healthy in the first place), yes, I do. And so do most human beings. Perhaps you excluded.

Eh. Hunting in general sort of ticks me off, trophy or not, but I wouldn't go so far as to say "outlaw it." Yeah, it's wasteful.. but so are a lot of things, and in the grand scheme of things it doesn't have any real impact. If I were to support the outlawing of trophy hunting, the only reason I could give would be "I don't like it.", and trying to stop others from doing something *I* don't like that doesn't hurt anything would be selfish and pointless.

So meh. Let people hunt, let people trophy hunt, and let me bitch at them. That's all I ask.

by the way bear is hunted and tastes good{but very greasy} if there is a ban on trophy hunting it should only be on certian animals such as deer,elk,and other very healthy foods. deer is second in leannes(is that a word?) to bision.

What an unnecessary infringement on people's rights. But then again, hunting licenses are a infringement in the first place. If an animal is on either your property or public property, you should be able to shoot it as long as you aren't putting others at risk (no downtown squirrel shooting).

I eat meat, and I never trophy hunted. Anyway hunting is a wildlife management tool.

Anyway, your problem seem to be with people hunting on native land. You should take it up with the natives, they have complete dominion. No, my issue is not just with people hunting on 'native land'. It's with people who would kill an animal for sport, and then waste the meat. It denotes a complete lack of respect for the life that has been taken and it is WASTEFUL.

By the way, unless the band allows it, non-natives can't hunt on reserve land. So that really isn't the issue.

If it's not on native land, I don't see how the issue effects you from the things you have said. The cree didn't used to control the entirity of canada, you know.
No. No native group 'controlled the entirety of Canada'...our way of life had nothing to do with controlling land, but rather of living on it. Instead of me talking about a practice that is simply wrong, I'd like to hear your reasons for supporting trophy hunting. I'll wait for your reply, seeing as you're offline right now.

well, yes, it is. picking a shiny apple and then not eating but letting it go to waste should be a crime. being so decadent to waste water on a bath or in a swimmingpool without drinking it is an insult to thirsting people in the sahel zone in africa as is wasting resources on things like books, that are not being read, while those poor people have to use dung to cook food.
Uh.....huh.:rolleyes:

So it's not EXACTLY like those things at all.

I'm not sure how you missed the sarcasm. It was fair dripping from that post...

I eat meat, and I never trophy hunted. Anyway hunting is a wildlife management tool.



Since when can wildlife be "managed"?

"Outlaw trophy hunting!"

You mean ... I have to give up my trophy wife??? :eek:
That's what I was thinking.

Most people in the US who hunt deer get the meat processed and they eat the meat. Most also keep the head and antlers.

I know a great number of hunters in Virginia who give the meat to food kitchens after paying to have it processed.

I'm with the eat what you shoot crowd, and I don't think there's much reason to shoot, say, bears. Unless a bear is attacking you (and really, it's their forest), there isn't a need for bear hunting.

I have friends who went on African safaris, and of the meat they didn't eat, the rest was consumed promptly by the families of the guides.

Depends on who is hunting and who is running the hunt - I don't have a lot of patience for people who hunt only for the trophy, or who go to staged hunts.
Bear hunting has it's place, too. They are subject to the same overpopulation problems as deer. In fact, New Jersey has had to resurrect its bear season this year because of the increase in the bear population.

Now, I've never had bear meat, so I don't know how edible it is. I suspect that even trophy bear hunting is still better than leaving a larger number of animals to starve to death. Same argument for deer or elk or moose.

The state has to figure out how many permits to issue and how many animals need to be culled. Then, what happens to the animals doesn't really matter. It's a lot nicer to think about a deer or elk feeding someone and there is probably very little reason it shouldn't, but in the end, from an conservancy point of view, it's only important to maintain a correct population.

Since when can wildlife be "managed"?
Well, you either let it run rampant, breed untill overpopulated for the feedstock - dreating starvation and disease, or, since there is a notable lack of major predatory carnivores in populated areas, you can kill off sufficient numbers through Hunting to keep bambi from dropping dead of starvation in your shrubery.

Your choice.

Management or Roadkill.

Most people in the US who hunt deer get the meat processed and they eat the meat. Most also keep the head and antlers.

I know a great number of hunters in Virginia who give the meat to food kitchens after paying to have it processed.

I'm with the eat what you shoot crowd, and I don't think there's much reason to shoot, say, bears. Unless a bear is attacking you (and really, it's their forest), there isn't a need for bear hunting.

I have friends who went on African safaris, and of the meat they didn't eat, the rest was consumed promptly by the families of the guides.

Depends on who is hunting and who is running the hunt - I don't have a lot of patience for people who hunt only for the trophy, or who go to staged hunts.

Are you saying that people dont eat bear meat? Then what have I been eating every time i get my bear processed after i go hunting

Trophy hunters might as well just hammer a sign onto their front lawns that reads, in large, bright clearly visible text (all-caps, to boot):

I HAVE AN EXCEPTIONALLY SMALL PENIS, AND I'LL
DO JUST ABOUT ANYTHING TO COMPENSATE FOR IT.

Well, you either let it run rampant, breed untill overpopulated for the feedstock - dreating starvation and disease, or, since there is a notable lack of major predatory carnivores in populated areas, you can kill off sufficient numbers through Hunting to keep bambi from dropping dead of starvation in your shrubery.

Your choice.

Management or Roadkill.

So nature is incapable of doing it without human intervention then?

I don't see anything wrong with trophy hunting.

Someone convince me it's wrong.

So nature is incapable of doing it without human intervention then?
"Nature" is starvation, disease and predation.

There are damn few predators because people don't like mountain lions/wolves eating their children.

If you are willing to see animals suffer disease and starvation because you are unwilling to allow humans to fulfill Nature's roll of predator, well, I frankly pity you.

"Nature" is starvation, disease and predation.

There are damn few predators because people don't like mountain lions/wolves eating their children.

If you are willing to see animals suffer disease and starvation because you are unwilling to allow humans to fulfill Nature's roll of predator, well, I frankly pity you.

If I recall correctly, humans are not the only creatures that kill and let the prey rot. Or kill for the hell of it. I'll have to check this out whenever I feel the desire for it.

wait what difference does it make what you do with them after you kill them, and also how the hell do you plan on enforcing this?

I hunt. I eat what I kill. Not all by myself, of course, I mean...I can eat a lot, but not THAT much! Anyway.

I really think that trophy hunting should be banned. By trophy hunting, I mean the practice of killing for sport, taking home a 'trophy' (head, antlers, whatever), and leaving the carcass to rot. In order to best regulate trophy hunting, what I'd like to see is the following:

1. Trophy hunters must pay for the cutting and wrapping of the animal they have killed, in order to keep their 'trophy'.
2. Cut and wrapped meat would be deposited with Fish and Wildlife, frozen, and then distributed to needy families.
3. Hunters caught with a 'trophy' and no receipt for the cut and wrap, would have their trophies confiscated.

Thoughts?
Great idea, and to add to #3, not only should they lose their trophies, they should be fined the equivalent cost that would have been incurred for the cutting and wrapping plus a per pound cost of the meat. The fine could be used to purchase meat for needy families.

I like your idea a lot and it makes perfect sense.

I don't see anything wrong with trophy hunting.

Someone convince me it's wrong.
Here is one example. more supplied upon request:

Extinction via Hunting (http://www.bigcatrescue.org/extinction_via_hunting.htm)

Here is one example. more supplied upon request:

Extinction via Hunting (http://www.bigcatrescue.org/extinction_via_hunting.htm)
Actually, the problem under that circumstance is the lack of regulation of the hunting. There is nothing wrong with hunting if it is done as a population control measure but there is something wrong with reckless hunting.

I like the concept of having a system in place for meat distribution. However, I wouldn't want such a system to encourage people to go out and hunt because they believe that they need to in order to help feed the hungry. That's a quick path to the depletion of stocks.

What the hell is the point of killing an animal if you aren't hungry?Unless they're hunting deer. Especially if they were to come to the US to hunt them. Waaaayyy to flipping many.


The most dangerous non-human animal in the US is the White-tailed deer. It kills on average between 120-130 people per year.

"Nature" is starvation, disease and predation.

There are damn few predators because people don't like mountain lions/wolves eating their children.

If you are willing to see animals suffer disease and starvation because you are unwilling to allow humans to fulfill Nature's roll of predator, well, I frankly pity you.

All of these things occur in nature (including human societies). That does not meant that is what nature IS.

If you are saying animals shoudl suffer disease and starvation because we should cull all of their natural predators so that people don't have to take the risk that their children might get eaten, all so we can maintain our illusion that we are at the top of the food chaun, frankly I pity you.

All of these things occur in nature (including human societies). That does not meant that is what nature IS.

If you are saying animals shoudl suffer disease and starvation because we should cull all of their natural predators so that people don't have to take the risk that their children might get eaten, all so we can maintain our illusion that we are at the top of the food chaun, frankly I pity you.
I might have to have Fass parse that abortion of a sentence because it makes no sense what so ever.

I am saying animals (deer in particular) do as a simple matter of fact, suffer disease and starvation if they are not managed through hunting/culling. The issue of Predatorsin suburbis is essentially moot atthis point because they have been killed off. Thus, thereare insufficient predators to manage herbavore population without human predation. Period....unless you are willing to reintroduce wild predators into suburbia... :rolleyes:

Trophy hunters might as well just hammer a sign onto their front lawns that reads, in large, bright clearly visible text (all-caps, to boot):

I HAVE AN EXCEPTIONALLY SMALL PENIS, AND I'LL
DO JUST ABOUT ANYTHING TO COMPENSATE FOR IT.

I hear big bold red letters also indicate someone's compensating for something.

I might have to have Fass parse that abortion of a sentence because it makes no sense what so ever.

What the? *wonders why his name came up in the middle of this uninteresting gravedigging expedition*

I hunt. I eat what I kill. Not all by myself, of course, I mean...I can eat a lot, but not THAT much! Anyway.

I really think that trophy hunting should be banned. By trophy hunting, I mean the practice of killing for sport, taking home a 'trophy' (head, antlers, whatever), and leaving the carcass to rot. In order to best regulate trophy hunting, what I'd like to see is the following:

1. Trophy hunters must pay for the cutting and wrapping of the animal they have killed, in order to keep their 'trophy'.
2. Cut and wrapped meat would be deposited with Fish and Wildlife, frozen, and then distributed to needy families.
3. Hunters caught with a 'trophy' and no receipt for the cut and wrap, would have their trophies confiscated.

Thoughts?

I think that's a good idea. I don't think taking a trophy should be banned but the hunter should use the meat as well. If I were an animal I'd like to be eaten and appreciated after death.

What the? *wonders why his name came up in the middle of this uninteresting gravedigging expedition*
'cause you are such an unrepentant gramar pimp and reviler of English incomprehensibility. :D

The undead thread.

I love some of the counter-arguments.

"Freedom means being able to waste whatever I want without you being allowed to punish me for it."

Apparently also the fact that the Cree did not control the entirety of Canada means you aren't entitled to have an opinion on this subject.

The undead thread. I'm waiting for it to get a bigger Rack before I kill it. :D

I love some of the counter-arguments.

"Freedom means being able to waste whatever I want True... without you being allowed to punish me for it." Fortunately, false. Freedom means doing, then accepting the consequeces. ;)

IMO, Stupidity should be terminal. It is in the Natural World, but we're too "civilized" to allow bleach drinkers to clear the gene pool. :headbang:

Apparently also the fact that the Cree did not control the entirety of Canada means you aren't entitled to have an opinion on this subject.
Hehehehee...yeah, that one is particularly amusing. It shows such a basic misconception of aboriginal 'ownership', that it's difficult to even begin to address that weird statement.

I think Carnivorous put it best. It's about respecting our food, and about respecting resources. That's not just an aboriginal world view...unless New Jersey Italians are a new 'tribe'?:cool:

I'm waiting for it to get a bigger Rack before I kill it. :D True... Fortunately, false. Freedom means doing, then accepting the consequeces. ;)

IMO, Stupidity should be terminal. It is in the Natural World, but we're too "civilized" to allow bleach drinkers to clear the gene pool. :headbang:
You know, I've been asking around, and I have yet to come across a program in Canada like you guys have in the US, where hunters can donate the meat. I suspect that most Canadians that hunt use the meat...but you'd still think there would be SOMETHING...?

Hehehehee...yeah, that one is particularly amusing. It shows such a basic misconception of aboriginal 'ownership', that it's difficult to even begin to address that weird statement.

I think Carnivorous put it best. It's about respecting our food, and about respecting resources. That's not just an aboriginal world view...unless New Jersey Italians are a new 'tribe'?:cool:

It's hard to convince people to respect "animals" when they don't even respect other people. Not that I see much of a difference, but most people do.

You know, I've been asking around, and I have yet to come across a program in Canada like you guys have in the US, where hunters can donate the meat. I suspect that most Canadians that hunt use the meat...but you'd still think there would be SOMETHING...?

SCI (Safari Club International) is an international organization... you would think you could find a localish group and get them dialed in...

http://www.safariclubfoundation.org/humanitarian/sah/

The site says "parts of Canada" participate. You could help improve that. - once you become a rich and famous SheLawyer... :D

I completely agree with the OP. A while back, there was some rabble about too many lynx' around here, which is...hilarious really, because the hunter himself said that there's a total of seven in the area. He also said that the deer population was getting out of hand, and that really made me laugh: Population control through killing the predators.

A couple of days later, there was a follow-up where the same hunter said that he couldn't wait to get his hands on a lynx skull. That really pissed me off... What if someone would go around killing humans because they want to "get their hands ona human skull"? Society really depresses me sometimes...

I completely agree with the OP. A while back, there was some rabble about too many lynx' around here, which is...hilarious really, because the hunter himself said that there's a total of seven in the area. He also said that the deer population was getting out of hand, and that really made me laugh: Population control through killing the predators.

A couple of days later, there was a follow-up where the same hunter said that he couldn't wait to get his hands on a lynx skull. That really pissed me off... What if someone would go around killing humans because they want to "get their hands ona human skull"? Society really depresses me sometimes...
Just the Skull? I want the whole lynx... I want to hug it and squeeze it and call it George...

Well, maybe not, but I do like big cats. One of my cildhood playmates had a (rescued from the illegal "owner" who had declawed him) bobcat that we used to play with. :eek:

Big Cats are the schitz! :D

SCI (Safari Club International) is an international organization... you would think you could find a localish group and get them dialed in...

http://www.safariclubfoundation.org/humanitarian/sah/

The site says "parts of Canada" participate. You could help improve that. - once you become a rich and famous SheLawyer... :D
Hmmm...I guess I'd better delve into the ulterior motives of this group, and determine whether they are actually bent on world conquest...and if I'd like that...

Sinuhue, what do you hunt with... a .308, 30-06, MP5 full auto (hehe), etc.?

(Grunts like Tim in Home Improvement)

check out this line:

http://www.hkdefense.us/pages/military-le/military.html


scroll down to Submachine Guns to check out the MP5 in its various guises

Sinuhue, what do you hunt with... a .308, 30-06, etc.?
A 30-06 mostly. The last couple of years we've been hunting more moose and caribou than deer...caribou are pretty small, but the 30-06 is still reasonable. We like to take a 30-30 with us in case of bears.

A 30-06 mostly. The last couple of years we've been hunting more moose and caribou than deer...caribou are pretty small, but the 30-06 is still reasonable. We like to take a 30-30 with us in case of bears.
Uh oh. You aren't using one of them evil assault rifles I heard about are you? You know, one of those "Damn Yankee rifles that you load on sunday and shoot all week"? I hear them Henery Lever guns are downright ugly and scary fast shooters too!

A 30-06 mostly. The last couple of years we've been hunting more moose and caribou than deer...caribou are pretty small, but the 30-06 is still reasonable. We like to take a 30-30 with us in case of bears.

what model 30-06 (if you don't mind sharing)?

'cause you are such an unrepentant gramar pimp and reviler of English incomprehensibility. :D

OK, that just makes no sense.

OK, that just makes no sense.
See what I mean? :p

See what I mean? :p

No.

No.
Do you, or do you not cast aspersions on (A) English and (B) those who use it incorrectly on NSG?

The post in which I originally invoked your Blond Grammarian Head referenced a poster's utterly incomprehensible abuse of the English language. Just the sort of thing you usually pounce upon... (well, other than tight bums...)

Do you, or do you not cast aspersions on (A) English and (B) those who use it incorrectly on NSG?

Rarely.

The post in which I originally invoked your Blond Grammarian Head referenced a poster's utterly incomprehensible abuse of the English language. Just the sort of thing you usually pounce upon... (well, other than tight bums...)

Again, not so usually.