NationStates Jolt Archive

No, this is not Pakistan. This is India.

A Pakistani cleric announced a reward of $1 million. Not to be left behind, an Indian minister (yes, he is a democratically elected minister from the state of Uttar Pradesh in north India) announces $11 million. I am wondering where the heck can a minister get so much money.

From Pakistan.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4722712.stm
Peshawar cleric Maulana Yousaf Qureshi offers 7.5m rupees ($125,000) and a car to anyone who kills the cartoonist. The reward is later reportedly raised to $1m.

From India.
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=356129
Rs 51 crore announced for beheading Danish cartoonist

Uttar Pradesh Minister for Haj and Minority Welfare Haji Mohammed Yaqoob today announced a reward of Rs 51 crore for beheading the Danish cartoonist who lampooned Prophet Mohammad, evoking sharp criticism from political parties.

"Any person who chops off the head of the cartoonist from Denmark who dared to make a caricature of Mohammad Sahib and bring it to me shall be rewarded Rs 51 crore in cash and given gold equivalent to his weight," he told a gathering at the Inter-College grounds here after Friday prayers.

Protestors then burnt an effigy of the cartoonist and courted arrest demanding that India sever diplomatic ties with the Scandinavian country. They were released shortly after, police said.

The state government said it was not contemplating any action against the minister for the inflammatory speech, arguing that it was "no offence" to make such an announcement against someone living in a distant country.:confused:

"The announcement had been made taking into account the feelings of the people... There is no offence to make such an annoucement about a person living in a distant foreign country," Home Secretary Alok Sinha told a news conference in Lucknow.

When queried further, he said "in a democracy such announcements are made in a normal way..It cannot be said to be a law and order issue". :confused:


I told you that this will soon become a "I am more islamic than thou" thing with nations and groups one upping each other to prove their islamicity.

Background info.

Uttar Pradesh has a sizeable muslim population of 20% who are mostly of the sect Deoband (Deoband is a place in UP, duh). Deobandis have plenty of archaic islamist obscurantists in their ranks with a good measure of anti nationals to boot.

Clickies on Deaband. Official site (http://darululoom-deoband.com/english/index.htm) and wiki. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deobandi) . Maududi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maududi), an important figure of the modern salafi movement is the most famous deobandi. His teachings (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9326052&postcount=5) are an inspiration for taliban.

No, this is not Pakistan. This is India.

A Pakistani cleric announced a reward of $1 million. Not to be left behind, an Indian minister (yes, he is a democratically elected minister from the state of Uttar Pradesh in north India) announces $11 million. I am wondering where the heck can a minister get so much money.

From Pakistan.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4722712.stm


From India.
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=356129



I told you that this will soon become a "I am more islamic than thou" thing with nations and groups one upping each other to prove their islamicity.

Background info.

Uttar Pradesh has a sizeable muslim population of 20% who are mostly of the sect Deoband (Deoband is a place in UP, duh). Deobandis have plenty of archaic islamist obscurantists in their ranks with a good measure of anti nationals to boot.

Clickies on Deaband. Official site (http://darululoom-deoband.com/english/index.htm) and wiki. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deobandi) . Maududi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maududi), an important figure of the modern salafi movement is the most famous deobandi. His teachings (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9326052&postcount=5) are an inspiration for taliban.

Two questions:

1. Isn't issuing death threats like this against the law in India?

2. Are Indian politicians subject to the law, or is it like England, where you can break some of these laws if you are a muslim?

At this point, nothing pakistan does could surprise me. The west should have clamped down on them after their nuclear tests. Stupid Clinton.

Two questions:

1. Isn't issuing death threats like this against the law in India?

Yes it is. But who is gonna enforce it?

Can't you see from that article, how people in the govt are already making excuses for that mad guy?

The Uttar Pradesh govt is headed by one Mulayam Singh Yadav, who has made pandering and appeasing to muslim vote bank as an art form. I don't think anything would be done against this particular minister.

The BJP (the supposedly hindu nationalist party) will raise some noise and maybe some other watchdogs but that's as far as it can go. Only a defeat in elections can change the situation.

2. Are Indian politicians subject to the law, or is it like England, where you can break some of these laws if you are a muslim?

The laws are clear and impartial. The problem is the lack of will for enforcement.

Indian politicians typically pander their votebanks and in this case there is a sizeable muslims votebank.

Stupid Clinton.

Stupid Nixon, Stupid Reagon would be more like it. Clinton got these things handed over to him and he could not reverse the running policies that much.

That's a real challenge he set, beheading. I doubt the money is going to be claimed any time soon. He'd have got a better response if he had given would-be assassins the freedom to choose their methods.

Yes, stupid Clinton, Reagan and Nixon for not clamping down India either.

That's a real challenge he set, beheading. I doubt the money is going to be claimed any time soon. He'd have got a better response if he had given would-be assassins the freedom to choose their methods.

If you had not guessed, these people (atleast this minister) are not interested in the actual killing of the cartoonist. The guy have probably not seen the damned cartoons anyway. He is also not aware that 12 people drew the cartoons and not one guy.

It is about appearing more islamic. And why would having somebody killed makes you think you are more islamic?

That my friend is the core of islamism.

If you had not guessed, these people (atleast this minister) are not interested in the actual killing of the cartoonist. The guy have probably not seen the damned cartoons anyway. He is also not aware that 12 people drew the cartoons and not one guy.

It is about appearing more islamic. And why would having somebody killed makes you think you are more islamic?

That my friend is the core of islamism.

Indeed. And this cartoon sums it all up.
http://www.novatv.nl/index.cfm?ACHTERGROND_ID=8350&LN=nl&FUSEACTION=artikelen.details

It is about appearing more islamic.
Ah, populism "for internal consumption"? Gotcha.

Yes, stupid Clinton, Reagan and Nixon for not clamping down India either.
:rolleyes:
Like they did not?

Nixon sent the seventh fleet with hostile intentions. Reagan gave arms that killed Indian children and made children as orphans. Clinton slapped sanctions on India.

Ah, populism "for internal consumption"? Gotcha.
Which makes you wonder about the nature of the electorate, if the idea of killing someone like that gives them a thrill - a thrill big enough to make them vote for the wacko.

Which makes you wonder about the nature of the electorate, if the idea of killing someone like that gives them a thrill - a thrill big enough to make them vote for the wacko.
Heh, you can win an election in any country in the world, with the right bogeyman. Even in America. Human nature, my friend. ;)

Indeed. And this cartoon sums it all up.
http://www.novatv.nl/index.cfm?ACHTERGROND_ID=8350&LN=nl&FUSEACTION=artikelen.details

Well that shows that most people can't find the distinction between politics and Islam.

The cartoons hit religion directly
Iraq didn't.

Iraq was invaded for Oil or w/e, but Islam was attacked, resulting in a more personal attack.

:rolleyes:
Like they did not?

Nixon sent the seventh fleet with hostile intentions. Reagan gave arms that killed Indian children and made children as orphans. Clinton slapped sanctions on India.

But you do realize that it takes two hands to clap, right?

Which makes you wonder about the nature of the electorate, if the idea of killing someone like that gives them a thrill - a thrill big enough to make them vote for the wacko.

Look up on Deobandis man. They are not that known in the west because they hide under the Indian democracy. They are every bit as fundoos as their cousins across the border in Pakistan.

TG
Ah, populism "for internal consumption"? Gotcha.

And some international consumption too. :p

A little known fact: India was the first country to ban Satanic verses. Pakistan has to prove more islamic than us. Iran had to prove more islamic than everybody else.

But you do realize that it takes two hands to clap, right?

Elaborate.

India never had hostile intentions towards the US, whilst the US cannot claim otherwise.

If you are gonna bring up the NAM and friendship with USSR thing, all I can say is that no American has died due to our NAM and USSR relationship while the same cannot be said for the US.

US arms have killed Indians. The jihad in Kashmir was funded by American money and the jihadis had American arms. So excuse us for being mistrustful of American intentions and not singing paeans for the US.

Arya, I sent you a telegram from my other nation, Agent Upgrade.

I wonder what would happen if the Danish minister of health posted bounties on the heads of various forign editors & artists. Am I the only one who believes most of the Islamic nations would consider it a declaration of war?

Hyderabadi deobandis trying to show they are more islamic than UP deobandis.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=front%5Fpage&file_name=story4%2Etxt&counter_img=4
In Hyderabad, violence after Friday prayer

Omer Farooq/ Hyderabad

The wave of violent Muslim protests against the cartoons of Prophet Mohammed published by a Danish daily hit Hyderabad on Friday.

Protesters coming out of Mecca Masjid near Charminar here after Friday prayers resorted to heavy stone pelting on shops, passing vehicles and policemen leading to widespread trouble. There were also stray incidents of stone pelting between groups of people of two different communities.

The violent protest in Hyderabad came the same day the Andhra Pradesh Assembly Andhra Pradesh Legislative Assembly unanimously adopted a resolution condemning the publication of the Prophet cartoons.

The resolution, moved by Chief Minister Y S Rajasekhar Reddy, urged the Union Government to convey the feelings of the Assembly to Denmark and the European countries where newspapers reproduced the cartoons.

Thousands of protesters, walking over the Danish national flag spread on the road from Charminar to the entrance of Mecca Masjid, shouted "Allah-o-Akbar" and slogans condemning the publication of the cartoons.

The flag, on which Muslims going to the mosque for prayers walked on earlier, was later burnt.

The normally busy road between Madina circle and Charminar looked like a war zone with groups of youth pelting stones, smashing car windows and looting shops. The road between Charminar and Gulzar House area was littered with stones.

As news of the violence spread, tension gripped the old city. The police closed the Madinah-Charminar road and diverted the traffic.

Muslims joined massive demonstrations in Nizamabad and Karimnagar towns of Warangal after Friday prayers and burned the flag of Denmark as well as photographs of the Danish cartoonists who caricatured the Prophet.

Additional Commissioner of police A K Khan said the trouble in Hyderabad started when the crowd coming out of the mosque tried to go towards Gulzar House and the police prevented them. The mob pushed back the police and ran towards Gulzar House area where shops owned by another community are located. Fearing trouble, shopowners had already downed shutters. Six shops were looted. Some shop owners were attacked and left injured.

Deputy Commissioner of police Sandeep Shandaliah said the police resorted to lathicharge and fired teargas shells to disperse the mob from Charminar and Gulzar House area. But the protesters ran towards the other roads and continued to pelt stones at cars, shops and innocent people in the adjoining areas of Mir Chowk, Laad Bazar and Chowk-e-Murghan.

Six vehicles were damaged in the violence. A police motorcycle was set ablaze. Hyderabad City Police Commissioner AK Mohanty said the police have been put on an alert and additional deployment has been made. The Hyderabad police have taken in custody 10 people, including a corporator of Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen (MIM) Mohammed Ghouse. MIM MP Asaduddin Owaisi protesting the arrest, said the corporator had tried to prevent the violence and pacify the mob.

Later, a group of BJP leaders visited the violence-affected area and tried to take out a procession from Gulzar House towards Mecca Masjid. But the police stopped them. The BJP leaders alleged that the police had completely failed in preventing the trouble.

Lacadaemon, this is for you

Popups in the link. Be warned.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1419373.cms
Toon row: UP minister can be arrested
NEW DELHI: Uttar Pradesh minister Mohammed Yaqoob Qureshi is liable to be arrested for placing a bounty on the head of Danish cartoonist, who caricatured Prophet Mohammad.

Qureshi can be booked for allegedly violating a host of provisions under the IPC for his call at a rally on Friday to murder the cartoonist.

To begin with, he falls in the category of an "abettor" under Section 108 IPC.

Section 108A expressly covers abetment in India of offences meant to be committed outside the country.

Qureshi straightaway falls foul of Section 115, which penalises "abetment of offence punishable with death or imprisonment for life - if offence not committed." Since murder is punishable with death or life sentence, Qureshi himself is liable to be jailed under this provision for seven years.

Alternatively, the minister's instigation to commit murder exposes him to the charge of criminal conspiracy under Section 120-B, which imposes punishment "in the same manner as if he had abetted such offence."

Given the religious angle to the crime, Qureshi is also liable to be booked under Section 153-A which imposes imprisonment of three years on anybody "promoting enmity between different groups on grounds of religion ..."

Qureshi is liable to be tried under these provisions even if he is sacked from his post. What is however uncertain is whether the state police will take cognisance of his offence and lodge an FIR against him.

Since law and order is a state subject, the Mulayam Singh government alone is empowered to book the minister either on their own or on somebody's information.

But, thankfully, the initiation of a case does not depend entirely on the state executive. If the police fail to do their duty, a citizen can file a complaint before a judicial magistrate, who in turn is empowered under Section 190 of the Criminal Procedure Code to take cognisance of the offence and order the police to investigate it.