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See thread title.

Any thoughts on this subject of mortality?

I'm not.

So this is really a problem for the rest of you.

only that there's a particular time in the future i'd like to see that i know this time arround it's not very likely that i'm going to.

=^^=
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* Still looking for GOD mode in RL *

I'm not.

So this is really a problem for the rest of you.

Neither am I...
From not-so-very-reliable sources I've heard that half of the people who have ever lived on this earth are alive today, so the mortality rate for humans are realy just 50% :)

Its a fact, its a sad fact. ITs even easier in the military as myself. Its harse, but we all face it. Now lets see who thinks they are a GOD and had a past life :P

Stay away from pickles. Nearly all sick people have eaten pickles and the mortality rate is 100% among those born before 1865 who have eaten the condiment.

Stay away from pickles. Nearly all sick people have eaten pickles and the mortality rate is 100% among those born before 1865 who have eaten the condiment.

Nah, it's brocoli. One of the deadliest foods on the planet... I got it from a very reliable source! ;)

and my aim is to raise earths mortality rate above 100%. should be fun :D

Dihydrogen Monoxide is what really kills people.

Dihydrogen Monoxide is what really kills people.

Yes, it can burn in both it's solid and gaseous states you know and they use it in nuclear power stations. It should be illegal.

Dihydrogen Monoxide is what really kills people.

Very true, I never heard anyone refer to it like that (Edit: I think 2 hydrogen is actually dihydride monoxide ) Has for the whole death thing, it not a problem as long has I lived my life, (I know people who just sleep though it and will wake up dead one day.)

"you cant come out of life alive" -- everybody who is dead will agree with this

Yes, it can burn in both it's solid and gaseous states you know and they use it in nuclear power stations. It should be illegal.
actually, it's not flammable at all. but that doesn't make it any safer

Very true, I never heard anyone refer to it like that (Edit: I think 2 hydrogen is actually dihydride monoxide ) Has for the whole death thing, it not a problem as long has I lived my life, (I know people who just sleep though it and will wake up dead one day.)

If you are dead, then you WONT wake up.

How does one 'wake up dead'?

This thread is just begging for this song:
Do You Realize?

Do You Realize - that you have the most beautiful face
Do You Realize - we're floating in space -
Do You Realize - that happiness makes you cry
Do You Realize - that everyone you know someday will die

And instead of saying all of your goodbyes - let them know
You realize that life goes fast
It's hard to make the good things last
You realize the sun doesn't go down
It's just an illusion caused by the world spinning round

Do You Realize - Oh - Oh - Oh
Do You Realize - that everyone you know
Someday will die -

And instead of saying all of your goodbyes - let them know
You realize that life goes fast
It's hard to make the good things last
You realize the sun doesn't go down
It's just an illusion caused by the world spinning round

Do You Realize - that you have the most beautiful face
Do You Realize

Kind of a joke ;), the waking up dead thing.

actually, it's not flammable at all. but that doesn't make it any safer

Sorry, I phrased that really badly: I meant 'it can burn you' rather than 'it can burn'. I apologise profusely.

I'm Ready to go right about now, since this world and ALL the people in it are heartless compassionless cVnts,and i am not i really can't see how im going to make it in it, I wont play their game, I wont ass kiss anyone, and fuck the druggies with thei holier than thou attitude so,........im ready. SAYONARA!


Damn wish i had the balls to off myself.

Rich

Sorry, I phrased that really badly: I meant 'it can burn you' rather than 'it can burn'. I apologise profusely.
And it is the number one cause of burns in infants.

Death is the ultimate statistic: 1 out of every 1 of us dies
George Bernard Shaw.

Kind of a joke ;), the waking up dead thing.
Reminds me of a question a lawyer posed a doctor during a trial:
"Now, doctor, isn't it true that when a person dies in his sleep, in most cases he just passes quietly away and doesn't know anything about it until the next morning?"

And it is the number one cause of burns in infants.

Will somebody please think of the children? :eek:

What's more I have it on good authority that the Government is turning a blind eye to the massive ammounts of dihydrogen monoxide that are being found in our rivers...

Will somebody please think of the children? :eek:

What's more I have it on good authority that the Government is turning a blind eye to the massive ammounts of dihydrogen monoxide that are being found in our rivers...
We swim in that! I heard of a few report of autopsy reports where they found that stuff in people lungs after swimming. Bad stuff indeed. Unfortunately because it a "universal solvent" chemists will never allow it to be banned. (This got push further than I though it would.)

We are ALL going to DIE ... someday.

Any thoughts on this subject of mortality?
Reeely? Damn. And here I thought I was going to live forever! :(

I've come face to face with my own mortality all too many times to have any illusions about death and dying. Several times in Vietnam I thought my number was up; the military parachuting accident which left me with a couple of pounds of metal holding my right leg together could easily have been fatal; and if ever I had doubts about any of this, my recent bout with cancer dispelled any remaining illusions.

I've done what many Americans do in circumstances like this: I hired a lawyer! :D

I need an updated will, a medical power of attorney, a living will, and a trust fund for my grandchildren. I don't trust "automated" or "do-it-yourself" legal formats, so a lawyer was my only recourse. Although I don't plan on checking out anytime soon, it's always wise to be prepared. I asked him if there was any way to sue the Grim Reaper, but he demurred, saying that the US Supreme Court has yet to rule on that issue. :D

I'm Ready to go right about now, since this world and ALL the people in it are heartless compassionless cVnts,and i am not i really can't see how im going to make it in it, I wont play their game, I wont ass kiss anyone, and fuck the druggies with thei holier than thou attitude so,........im ready. SAYONARA!


Damn wish i had the balls to off myself.

Rich
Why, for God's sake??? I've struggled to avoid death and here you are seeking it! I will never, ever understand this! :(

How does one 'wake up dead'?
Verrrry carefully! :D

I plan to live forever. So far, so good.

Why, for God's sake??? I've struggled to avoid death and here you are seeking it! I will never, ever understand this! :(

If this is true, and your last comment is true, and your happy (I deducted this by counting two smilies and only one sad face, but then again there is a sad face in your last post too.) then I think your living life right. I admire that. If I’m wrong well then never mind. I'm currently study psychology I will never understand why someone will end life early too. It defies the basic need for survival, which is unhealthy. But you don’t need to be a psycologist to understand that.

Anyone who eats cabbage will eventually die.
Anyone who brush their teeth daily will eventually die.
Anyone who gets a bullet through their headwill eventually die.

If this is true, and your last comment is true, and your happy (I deducted this by counting two smilies and only one sad face, but then again there is a sad face in your last post too.) then I think your living life right. I admire that. If I’m wrong well then never mind. I'm currently study psychology I will never understand why someone will end life early too. It defies the basic need for survival, which is unhealthy. But you don’t need to be a psycologist to understand that.
Happiness, like love, is a decision. IMHO, it's far too important to leave to chance or the vagaries of others. I CHOOSE to be happy, regardless. :)

As far as I know I will never die. Those still "alive" may see me as such but in some manner I will live on. If such is not the case then when I die I will stop thinking and I will not know of it. So as far as I will ever know, I will never die.

Heh. I'm the only one who knows the 29-digit passcode to disarm the Doomsday device. So if I die, you all go with me! Ahhh HAHAHAHAHA!!

:D

See thread title.

Any thoughts on this subject of mortality?

Meh - death doesn't fuss me too much anyway (being Christian and all) so, while I appreciate being alive, and intend to do as much as possible with however much time is afforded me, I'm not too bothered really.

Bring it on Grim :D

edit: w00t! 500th post :D I feel special.

Though I don't believe in afterlives of reincarnation, I'm glad to be mortal.
No, I'm not suicidal/depressed/an angsty teen; it's just that death is much better than eternal existence, from a logical standpoint.

Immortality would be pretty fun for a while, but once the sun consumes the earth and then dies out, it would get kind of boring just chillin' on a white dwarf star for eternity. I would imagine that watching everything that you've ever known die around you would probably be a little depressing, as well.

What's so bad about death, anyways? The way I see it, there are two parts to death: dying and the period of eternal nonexistence that follows. Actually dying might be painful, but that pain is irrelevant, as it will soon cease, along with any memory of it. Not existing cannot be a negative experience, since nobody actually experiences it. Thus, there is no reason to fear death.

Huh? Sorry? What was this thread about?

I was too busy trying to decide if I should get two double-decker tacos and a spicy shicken burrito or one double-decker taco and two spicy chicken burritos at Taco Bell on the way home from work. Hm, and should I get a 6 or 12 of Yuengling for the party I'm headed to tonight? Do I really want to pay for other people to drink... I mean, they're just gonna die...

Uhmmm. I think i'm glad I'm mortal, I wouldn't want to go on living forever, it would get soooo boring...

Though I don't believe in afterlives of reincarnation, I'm glad to be mortal.
No, I'm not suicidal/depressed/an angsty teen; it's just that death is much better than eternal existence, from a logical standpoint.

Immortality would be pretty fun for a while, but once the sun consumes the earth and then dies out, it would get kind of boring just chillin' on a white dwarf star for eternity. I would imagine that watching everything that you've ever known die around you would probably be a little depressing, as well.

What's so bad about death, anyways? The way I see it, there are two parts to death: dying and the period of eternal nonexistence that follows. Actually dying might be painful, but that pain is irrelevant, as it will soon cease, along with any memory of it. Not existing cannot be a negative experience, since nobody actually experiences it. Thus, there is no reason to fear death.It's not the being dead. Its the dying part. You may not remember it afterwards, but you can say that about anything that sucks. Getting a root canal sucks even though you know in a few months it wont hurt and you'll barely remember how bad it was. That doesn't mean you don't hate thinking about getting one.

Though I don't believe in afterlives of reincarnation, I'm glad to be mortal.
No, I'm not suicidal/depressed/an angsty teen; it's just that death is much better than eternal existence, from a logical standpoint.

Immortality would be pretty fun for a while, but once the sun consumes the earth and then dies out, it would get kind of boring just chillin' on a white dwarf star for eternity. I would imagine that watching everything that you've ever known die around you would probably be a little depressing, as well.

What's so bad about death, anyways? The way I see it, there are two parts to death: dying and the period of eternal nonexistence that follows. Actually dying might be painful, but that pain is irrelevant, as it will soon cease, along with any memory of it. Not existing cannot be a negative experience, since nobody actually experiences it. Thus, there is no reason to fear death.

With eternal life you have unlimited possibility for power and wisdom. With a mortal life you're running against the clock to get as much as possible.

With eternal life you have unlimited possibility for power and wisdom. With a mortal life you're running against the clock to get as much as possible.


death imparts value or meaning on life. Time passes very quickly. A lot of people say that immortal life would suck because nothing happens after a while, but I would dispute that since if you live through the centuries you can count on the totally unexpected to happen, this is what makes life interesting imo. I mean a person in medieval times who rejected immortal life on the basis that it would be boring would be wrong given all the interesting technological and social developments that have occurred to the present day. Besides with immortal life youd probably work out in about 10,000 years (with scientific progress etc) how to ascend to a higher state of consciousness where concepts such as boredom wouldnt exist. And then your in a whole new realm of experience.

Besides with immortal life youd probably work out in about 10,000 years (with scientific progress etc) how to ascend to a higher state of consciousness where concepts such as boredom wouldnt exist. And then your in a whole new realm of experience.

We're already there!

*tokes*

death imparts value or meaning on life. Time passes very quickly. A lot of people say that immortal life would suck because nothing happens after a while, but I would dispute that since if you live through the centuries you can count on the totally unexpected to happen, this is what makes life interesting imo. I mean a person in medieval times who rejected immortal life on the basis that it would be boring would be wrong given all the interesting technological and social developments that have occurred to the present day. Besides with immortal life youd probably work out in about 10,000 years (with scientific progress etc) how to ascend to a higher state of consciousness where concepts such as boredom wouldnt exist. And then your in a whole new realm of experience.

Precisely :D

Originally Posted by Zexaland
We are ALL going to DIE...someday.

i think you should at least consider the fact that christian/muslims/jews and so on believe in the life after death

i think you should at least consider the fact that christian/muslims/jews and so on believe in the life after death

Too bad they're all wrong though.

And it is the number one cause of burns in infants.

Actually, that'd be curling irons. Did you know dihydrogen monoxide kills you if you breathe it. Very dangerous stuff.

i think you should at least consider the fact that christian/muslims/jews and so on believe in the life after death

Not to bring a breath of seriousness to a largely in-fun thread or anything, but my husband's grandfather died yesterday. He was a great guy. We're all somewhat sad. But YES, we are Christians, and he is, er, was a Christian too, and we all really do believe that he's not perma-dead as it were. If indeed we are right, and there is further life after shuffling off this mortal coil, then maybe it's not such a bad thing to die after all - not just for the escapism of it, but for a hope that one is escaping to a better beginning. I guess it brings a different perspective on death if it's only going from life into life.

Too bad they're all wrong though.

You'd know would you?:rolleyes:

You'd know would you?:rolleyes:

As much as they know, yes.

They say that if you look back on the past year and can cry either because of sadness or happiness, then you have lived life to the full that year. If you can't, it's time wasted.
So cry, damn you!!

As much as they know, yes.

Not true - we [they] have any number of scriptures detailing the existence of life after death. You, on the other hand, have the fact that no-ones ever come back to tell you about it (except Jesus :p:D)

Not true - we [they] have any number of scriptures detailing the existence of life after death. You, on the other hand, have the fact that no-ones ever come back to tell you about it (except Jesus :p:D)

Scriptures written by man...

I on the other hand live by reason and logic.

Scriptures written by man...

I on the other hand live by reason and logic.

Written down by man. Scripture is God-breathed, meaning it comes from God. All that man does it write it down - it's His words.

Yet reason and logic haven't given you any proof that there isn't an afterlife.

See thread title.

Any thoughts on this subject of mortality?
Yes, yes we are. Why so many people are in denial about this is beyond me.

Written down by man. Scripture is God-breathed, meaning it comes from God. All that man does it write it down - it's His words.

Yet reason and logic haven't given you any proof that there isn't an afterlife.
God breathed into my ear and told me there is no afterlife. Now his words are written down, so I guess you are out of luck. Sorry.

Written down by man. Scripture is God-breathed, meaning it comes from God. All that man does it write it down - it's His words.

Yet reason and logic haven't given you any proof that there isn't an afterlife.

It must go through man/men who are biased in some way for their own personal benifit. Much like the masculinasion of the word god.

Reason and logic have brought me to doubt it, not know it isn't there. In my opinion organized religions and that crazy guy in central park have the same worth when it comes to divine interpretation.

Reeely? Damn. And here I thought I was going to live forever! :(

I've come face to face with my own mortality all too many times to have any illusions about death and dying. Several times in Vietnam I thought my number was up; the military parachuting accident which left me with a couple of pounds of metal holding my right leg together could easily have been fatal; and if ever I had doubts about any of this, my recent bout with cancer dispelled any remaining illusions.

I've done what many Americans do in circumstances like this: I hired a lawyer! :D

I need an updated will, a medical power of attorney, a living will, and a trust fund for my grandchildren. I don't trust "automated" or "do-it-yourself" legal formats, so a lawyer was my only recourse. Although I don't plan on checking out anytime soon, it's always wise to be prepared. I asked him if there was any way to sue the Grim Reaper, but he demurred, saying that the US Supreme Court has yet to rule on that issue. :D

God damn Americans, with their "compentant legal system" and "fair trials"!

See thread title.

Any thoughts on this subject of mortality?

We are. And I'm looking forward to being dead.

If we are all lucky we can all see each other in heaven one day, LOL.

I think we can all agree that it is extremely dangerous to live. You can even DIE of it! :rolleyes:

When faced with the topic of mortality, all I can do is utter Puck's immortal words:

Lord what FOOLS these mortals be.

How does one 'wake up dead'?

its an English expression

Not true - we [they] have any number of scriptures detailing the existence of life after death. You, on the other hand, have the fact that no-ones ever come back to tell you about it (except Jesus :p:D)

so these "any number of scriptures" agree on the details?

* Still looking for GOD mode in RL *Quoted for agreement.

I believe it is possible, although maybe not to the uber level found in games: Aging should be negateable, with the proper genetic engineering. I think it's highly likely that the Code for that will be cracked during (what would have been) my natural lifespan, or at least cracked enough to let me live until it's fully cracked.

I also think it'll be possible to do genetic engineering which should vastly improve survivabily in the event of other things which are currently fatal, like car accidents. I read somewhere that the shock-reaction to physical trauma is often what really causes the fatality in cases like that (sorry, no links, I read that ages ago and don't remember where)...it should be possible someday to cut down or even eliminate the shock sequence from the system.

If anything gets me to go back to college, it'll be my desire to do genetic engineering and crack that part of the genome. The wind-chasing of the medical community is driving me nuts; I think it'll just be a matter of time before I can't stand it and have to get my own mitts on things!

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As for true immortality (without the negative effects of aging), that would be cool too, provided it had an "escape switch" of some sort. I'm not worried about the white dwarf scenario someone mentioned--by that time, decent spaceships and space colonization methods are almost certain to be in existence, so I'd just move to some other solar system. Rather, the "immortality escape switch" would be for more mundane things, like being unfindably and intractibly buried under a mudslide or something like that.

I don't think immortality'd get any duller overall than life is already. If I ever reach a state where I actually know *everything* (nothing left to learn), and can therefore accurately predict everything, my opinion may change. But I doubt it. At least for a while, I'd thoroughly enjoy having that total mastery! If it ever got so boring that I was sick of it...well, there'd be that escape switch I mentioned earlier.

Zombies for the win.

See thread title.

Any thoughts on this subject of mortality?


Yeah, I prefer not to think about it. Gets ya all panicy thinking about yourself dying. I prefer to think of death as merely a separation of the mind from the body....perhaps going to Hades and kicking around down there with some of the Ancient Greek heroes. An equally cool afterlife, would be going to Valhala....Valhalla...hope I'm spelling that right. Anyway, going there means that, every morning, you get to partake in a brutal free-for-all battle; and then going to a big feast later in the 'day'. Of course, there are some requirements for going to these places upon death, but hey, they're pretty cool if you can get in (not so much in the case of Hades, as everyone goes there, but hopefully you don't get stuck with trying to roll a boulder up a hill for all time).

Personally, I think you can't go wrong with either of these. I just wish we knew more about the Ancient Greek religion and mythology (what parts we do know are written by various authors of the time and thus, do not exactly mesh), that the Runes (Text of the Norse religion) wasn't so hard to read.

And it is the number one cause of burns in infants.and the main component in acid rain

Zombies for the win.

Thats a great idea ! Zombification ! Its perfect, I mean, just look at Zombie Jesus:

Because, as everyone knows, Christmas is that time of year when Zombie Jesus rises from his grave to eat the flesh of the living, so we sing Christmas carols of lull him back to sleep.

* That last bit was a Christmas episode of Family Guy, and is not the exact wording used

To die would be a great adventure.
Best to put it off until you have no other adventures left, though.
But when it comes, enjoy it! You only get to do it once!

Why, for God's sake??? I've struggled to avoid death and here you are seeking it! I will never, ever understand this! :(


Ha ha ha, well, its a joke that Philosophers deserve death. I, myself, want to know what, if in fact anything, lies beyond death - though as Zylonom pointed out, such a feeling contradicts my bodily instinct to avoid death.

My favorite 'scientific' view on life comes from what the Puppet Master says about life and death in the movie "Ghost in the Shell". Living beings, in a way, must die, but, it survives in its offspring, which repeat the cycle. Although living creatures do seek to avoid death, life must naturally lead to death...and yet, life goes on. It is a rather wonderous and eerie thing.

Of course, one may have concerns about what happens to your mind, or your "soul" upon death. Well, if you look at the ancient philosophers, you'll find that what we call the "soul" is what they called the "mind" (as being separate from the brain). Referring back to my earlier post, you'll find that I am taking a page from Plato's work, the "Phaedra", in saying then death is merely the separation of the mind from the body, and if we are beings of the mind, as we are sometimes inclined to call ourselves, that death is really nothing to be feared (though I do get "all panicy" when I think about it...silly me, huh? Though I am trying to master my natural fear).

Of course, once you get into the philosophical realm of the mind, its nature, and its relation to death, you venture into a massive world of thought. Too massive, in fact, for one poster, as I'm still learning about the Mind from my philosophy courses.

As such, I'd like to close my post with a little reminder...please don't think of Philosophy as trying to figure out "what came first, the chicken or the egg"...because really...who cares? We've got fried eggs, we've got BBQ'ed chicken...we've got the best of both worlds. No, Philosophy, as its name says, is the "Love of Wisdom".

To die would be a great adventure.
Best to put it off until you have no other adventures left, though.
But when it comes, enjoy it! You only get to do it once!

Atta boy ! I tip my hat to you, sir.

Hey Zylonom ! High-Five, Lunar Pride !

For Lunar Prosperity !

so these "any number of scriptures" agree on the details?

Well, a lot of them state that your actions and behaviour in this life have a big impact on what happens to you in the afterlife, or once brought to life again (referring to reincarnation). Other than that, feh, depends on what book you read.

I'm planning on living forever, and I have almost 2 decades worth of successful trials. For proof, a few samples of my log from the past few years:

Day 6,027th of Trials; 0930 Hours:
I have awoken, and once again my attempt to "Not die in my sleep" has been successful. This makes my current success rate 6,006 to 0 (discounting, of course, the 21 days I have woken up wishing I was dead. Damn you vodka! Damn you!!)

Day 6,204th of Trials; 0301 Hours:
I am about to go to sleep, marking yet another successful attempt to "Not die during the day, either." Current success rate is 6,023 to 0. (Discounting the 81 times I have passed out and cannot directly testify to not having died before I went to sleep).
On a side note, I have once again failed to replicate my earlier successes at "Not getting my punk ass shot at", making the 5th failure this decade. Very depressing, though fortunately none of my "assisstants" possess very good aim.