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My school, claiming to accept everyone and every custom. Claiming to be very liberal and openminded. Also claiming to show understanding for psychiatric issues(That's the purpose of my school.) Is henceforth from tomorrow on retracting my right to aesthetically improve myself with ducktape and paperclips.

Principal: 'It's not needed for anything.'

Which brings me to this subject: Dresscodes at school. I've read about a school that doesn't allow piercings and tattooss. As much as I receive a spontanious vomitting spree from piercings, earrings and tattoos. I think it's outrageous that a single person in a school has the right to determin that earings are proper decorations of one's body and a piercing is not. I'm annoyed by people who dress in too bright colours but I'm not seeing that illigalized.

Who is Adriaan (My school want's it's teachers and students to adress each other on a first name basis, that's nice though.) to determin what is 'needed' I'd say earrings don't add anything aesthetically and a tatoo is just revolting but that's allowed. And it should be allowed. Let people decide themselves how they want to dress. Not the school.

Schools can fit just about any restriction they want under the rubric of "it detracts from the learning environment." And it seems to me, based on your post, that you have other things to worry about than whether or not you can wear duct tape and paper clips.

you have a verry intresting statement to make:p dont you?...paperclips....

you have a verry intresting statement to make:p dont you?...paperclips....

Summer of 1977. Look it up.

Duct tape and paper clips? What do you with that stuff?

Duct tape and paper clips? What do you with that stuff?

The A-Team can make a non-lethal car chase with explosions with that stuff.

The A-Team can make a non-lethal car chase with explosions with that stuff.

And MacGyver can make the best escape device ever with that stuff.

if you come to britain at any point they can enforce anything really (state schools have only just lost the right to force female students to wear skirts) my school enforced jewlry (you were allowed 1 pair of studs in the ears (if female) and a necklace if it had spiritual/personal significance you were allowed 1 non signet ring) full uniform, types of shoes/trousers (i.e. flaired trousers were not allowed) skirt length, hair colouring (dyeing got you suspended), how you wore your tie, how you buttoned your shirt, how you wore your hair.

so it could be worse

There is a time in every schoolkids life where they realise they have few rights at school. Take confiscation for example - in the adult world its illegal to take other people's stuff without their consent.

Dude count yourself lucky. My school banned hair gel ffs:rolleyes: pscho head teachers.

if you come to britain at any point they can enforce anything really (state schools have only just lost the right to force female students to wear skirts) my school enforced jewlry (you were allowed 1 pair of studs in the ears (if female) and a necklace if it had spiritual/personal significance you were allowed 1 non signet ring) full uniform, types of shoes/trousers (i.e. flaired trousers were not allowed) skirt length, hair colouring (dyeing got you suspended), how you wore your tie, how you buttoned your shirt, how you wore your hair.

so it could be worse

My old school was a little more lenient but not by much: boys were allowed stud earings as well and any hair style within reason was allowed.

You Americans don't know how easy you have it.:p

And MacGyver can make the best escape device ever with that stuff.
MacGyver could make a nuclear bomb with paperclips and duct tape.

MacGyver could make a nuclear bomb with paperclips and duct tape.

True, but he'd forego the nuclear bomb to make a neutron bomb, because he's just that good.

MacGyver could make a nuclear bomb with paperclips and duct tape.

Which kinda explains why it's not fashion accessory TEH SPOCK's school. :D

True, but he'd forego the nuclear bomb to make a neutron bomb, because he's just that good.

Actually with that much equipment McGyver would just clone himself and let the clone make the bomb. The original McGyver would return to his chess game with Chuck Norris.

(They have been playing this one game of chess since the beginning of time. So far no one has made a move yet, but 20 years ago McGyver was heard mumbling "I fear that I'm losing")

True, but he'd forego the nuclear bomb to make a neutron bomb, because he's just that good.
Now hold on a darn minute! Macgyver would create a bomb that sucks all the energy out of an alternate universe and destroy the universe it explodes in!

There is a time in every schoolkids life where they realise they have few rights at school. Take confiscation for example - in the adult world its illegal to take other people's stuff without their consent.

Repossession and the impound yard.

Why do people always want to treat kids as if they're adults? They're not; they get the same rights as everyone else when they've made it through the 'me me me' tantrum stage of their lives.

Kids are cruel; without uniforms fashion becomes a cause of bullying. Your headteacher should be enforcing an even stricter dress code.

Duct tape and paper clips? What do you with that stuff?

The proper question is really What can you not do with duct tape?

Kids are cruel; without uniforms fashion becomes a cause of bullying.

Meh: my experience -

- attending a school with a rigorously enforced uniform code: plenty of bullying.

- attending a school without any uniform code whatsoever: no bullying.

Anecdotal but true.

Why do people always want to treat kids as if they're adults? They're not; they get the same rights as everyone else when they've made it through the 'me me me' tantrum stage of their lives.

Kids are cruel; without uniforms fashion becomes a cause of bullying. Your headteacher should be enforcing an even stricter dress code.
That kid has it easy.My school had uniforms & De la Salle Brothers who hadn't quite got around to the idea that corpral punnishment left with the ice age.I'm only out of there 5 years.

hey, I didn't like the dress code when I was in highschool either, but it's pretty much something you have to live with, you aren't in school all that much if you think about it, you can wear what you want otherwise. Think about it like work, my husband can't wear his favorite stuff to work, he has to wear a dress shirt and tie, but he can wear his "never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" shirt after work, on weekends, ect. ;)

Hmm, cultural clash I supose. Holland is known for it's tolerance and restricting this is certainly a faux pas. My entire class is behind me that this is outrageous, people from around the school who've heared it are complainig at the principle. McGuyver and the A-team are saying that if I'm not allowed to use paperclips and ducktape as I please, they will.

I'm a very relativating person, I don't see it as the position of one person to determin aproapriateness for another. Enforcing a dresscode says to me: 'I think my way of dressing is superiour to yours because I personnally like it and it's more standard, and I'm also smart enough to realise hollywood lies and you simply cannot make a laser gun out of a dead duck and a peace of chewing gum as long as you are guided by a army like thrilling peace of music.'

I hate it when people think that there customs are more apropriate than others. I also hate it when those Slipknot listeners dressed completely in black with spikes are ranting on what they call 'Fashionpuppits'.

you are taking the whole thing to personally. They are making the same rules for everyone, I bet that every demographic in the school is going to lose something right?

if not, though that sucks, I remember not being allowed to wear "concert shirts" at school, but the country music people could, I felt that I was wrongly being persectuted on that one, but when they banned all concert shirts, it seemed fair.

It's not fair, everyone can wear his accesories as he pleases but when the principle saw mine he say it wasn't needed for anything and when I made a comparishment to other people's accesories he said that was 'different' and was reluctant to argue why.

It's not fair, everyone can wear his accesories as he pleases but when the principle saw mine he say it wasn't needed for anything and when I made a comparishment to other people's accesories he said that was 'different' and was reluctant to argue why.
okay, then that does suck. Do you have someone you can complain to that is higher up? or maybe get another teacher ( a level headed one) to mediate the meeting and see if you can get some clear definitions of what's acceptable and what's not?

He is the highest but where getting off topic.

I mean, I don't think it's at all a persons position to decide what's acceptable in terms of cloathing for another.

The proper question is really What can you not do with duct tape?

i'm still sort of amazed that if you stick some duct tape to itself (sticky sides facing each other) and pull it apart in the dark it makes a bit of light. with enough duct tape and some sort of rube goldberg machine, we could probably power a city based purely on the energy released by breaking the duct tape bonds.

I mean, I don't think it's at all a persons position to decide what's acceptable in terms of cloathing for another.

penis gourds included?

Uniforms don't stop bullying. If someone wants to bully someone else, he'll find a reason, regardless. If it's not the clothes, it's the skin. If not the skin, it's the name. If not the name, it's the grades. If not the grades, it's the family.

There's always something. Uniforms -do not- stop bullying.

i'm still sort of amazed that if you stick some duct tape to itself (sticky sides facing each other) and pull it apart in the dark it makes a bit of light. with enough duct tape and some sort of rube goldberg machine, we could probably power a city based purely on the energy released by breaking the duct tape bonds.

This I did not know. It may be limited to purely American duct tape, rather than the Gaffer tape that we Euros are familiar with. You would not believe the amount of gaffa I can get through in my line of work.

penis gourds included?Well to the extend that other's are not bothered by it of course. But if no one is, then yes.

This I did not know. It may be limited to purely American duct tape, rather than the Gaffer tape that we Euros are familiar with. You would not believe the amount of gaffa I can get through in my line of work.

i suspect it'll work for any particulary sticky tape that is also strong enough to withstand being pulled apart - i think it has something to do with the kind of bond being formed and the energy released by breaking it. i'm pretty sure that after i accidentaly discovered it i tried it on a bunch of different kinds of tape, but i don't recall exactly. i did just retry it with some duct tape i had here though.

It's not fair, everyone can wear his accesories as he pleases but when the principle saw mine he say it wasn't needed for anything and when I made a comparishment to other people's accesories he said that was 'different' and was reluctant to argue why.
so think this through. figure out exactly why paper clips and duct tape are the same as any other kind of decoration (maybe throw in some examples of modern art that is made out of common items) , write up a great essay and take it to the principal's boss. there is no reason to take NO for an answer. take it up the chain of command.

so think this through. figure out exactly why paper clips and duct tape are the same as any other kind of decoration (maybe throw in some examples of modern art that is made out of common items) , write up a great essay and take it to the principal's boss. there is no reason to take NO for an answer. take it up the chain of command.

The higher-ups could always just say "no" and not give a reason. They really could just ignore him. The only way to combat that is to get pretty much the entire school to back him up, and he's not gonna do that. Nobody can do that. People are too lazy to get behind a cause worth doing.

Your lucky. I have to have:

-Dark Grey Socks
-Black Shoes
-Dark Grey Pants
-A white shrit with Buttons
-The shrit has to be tucked into the pants all around at all times (Or you get a detention)
-A blue Blazer
-A yellow, blue and red tie
-The tie has to be pulled right up to the shrits collar, and has to be above 10 stripes(or you can have a detention)
-A reasonable hair style.
-For girls only, you can have 2 studs.
-No make-up

Don't get me started on the PE and Games kits...

So stop whineing about the fact you can't wax yourself at school and start being glad you don't have Uniforms.

The proper question is really What can you not do with duct tape?


Make a reliable condom. It's been proved (unfortunately!)

Your lucky. I have to have:

-Dark Grey Socks
-Black Shoes
-Dark Grey Pants
-A white shrit with Buttons
-The shrit has to be tucked into the pants all around at all times (Or you get a detention)
-A blue Blazer
-A yellow, blue and red tie
-The tie has to be pulled right up to the shrits collar, and has to be above 10 stripes(or you can have a detention)
-A reasonable hair style.
-For girls only, you can have 2 studs.
-No make-up

Don't get me started on the PE and Games kits...

So stop whineing about the fact you can't wax yourself at school and start being glad you don't have Uniforms.If that were to happen in Holland the school would be closed because it voilated the constitution. Different culture I supose. But I think that's outrageous and I use that word a lot yes.

We have to stand up when a teacher enters the room and all. Not sure whether you lot do that, but still.

My high school - fashion senseless. According to my ex-boyfriend, after looking at my various year books, "your school is stuck in the 80s."

It was pretty much a free-for-all in terms of what we could wear, but, because it was the 'art' school, we got away with fashion atrocities. If you wore something that was 'in style', you might as well have been wearing a school uniform because it was considered "confirmist". The more stupid and unmatched your outfit was, the better you fit in.

There were severa; uniform standards at my school: goth, preppy, hippie, bland, nerd, rocker, religious and skateboarder. If you wore something that was 'in style', it wasn't cool.

Paper clips were part of the goth scene.

We had NO dresscode, then again, no one dressed like a slut at my school, so...

Wakenfield: I hate that, so called respect for a teacher because he's getting payed to teach you. I respect someone when I think it's a good person thank you very much.

Who wants me to start on the PE and Games kits?

My school has a really strict uniform code too - no make-up, no un-tucked in shirts, no long hair, no earrings (apart from plain studs), etc. And I have to wear it 5 and a half days a week, since at my school, we have classes on Saturdays. :rolleyes: I would love to not have a uniform.

So stop whineing about the fact you can't wax yourself at school and start being glad you don't have Uniforms.

mmmm, defeatism

I'm okay with general uniforms, but nothing incredibly strict. It won't stop bullying, but it seems okay to me as long as it can be altered slightly. No restrictions on hair or piercings. I think that's how the Japanese do it, correct me if I'm wrong.

My high school - fashion senseless. According to my ex-boyfriend, after looking at my various year books, "your school is stuck in the 80s."

It was pretty much a free-for-all in terms of what we could wear, but, because it was the 'art' school, we got away with fashion atrocities. If you wore something that was 'in style', you might as well have been wearing a school uniform because it was considered "confirmist". The more stupid and unmatched your outfit was, the better you fit in.

There were severa; uniform standards at my school: goth, preppy, hippie, bland, nerd, rocker, religious and skateboarder. If you wore something that was 'in style', it wasn't cool.

Paper clips were part of the goth scene.

We had NO dresscode, then again, no one dressed like a slut at my school, so...I'd love that school.

Once we're were having a crack down on Uniforms, and at the end of the week, there was about 90 people in (Lunchtime) detention.

Once we're were having a crack down on Uniforms, and at the end of the week, there was about 90 people in (Lunchtime) detention.
Dude, that has got to suck...

My school, claiming to accept everyone and every custom. Claiming to be very liberal and openminded. Also claiming to show understanding for psychiatric issues(That's the purpose of my school.) Is henceforth from tomorrow on retracting my right to aesthetically improve myself with ducktape and paperclips.

Principal: 'It's not needed for anything.'

Which brings me to this subject: Dresscodes at school. I've read about a school that doesn't allow piercings and tattooss. As much as I receive a spontanious vomitting spree from piercings, earrings and tattoos. I think it's outrageous that a single person in a school has the right to determin that earings are proper decorations of one's body and a piercing is not. I'm annoyed by people who dress in too bright colours but I'm not seeing that illigalized.

Who is Adriaan (My school want's it's teachers and students to adress each other on a first name basis, that's nice though.) to determin what is 'needed' I'd say earrings don't add anything aesthetically and a tatoo is just revolting but that's allowed. And it should be allowed. Let people decide themselves how they want to dress. Not the school.

I my self don't agree with this statment made by an honarable member. If dress codes wern't in place in schools can you imagine how shabby schools would look. The U.K is noted for it's smart dress codes but if dress codes were no more our schools could end up looking as shambolic as french schools.

Yay, Anti-Frenchism!

It's not how the students dress that makes a school look good. It's understanding, quality of teachers, respect for eachother, and the overall results. I don't judge people on what they wear.

The higher-ups could always just say "no" and not give a reason. They really could just ignore him. The only way to combat that is to get pretty much the entire school to back him up, and he's not gonna do that. Nobody can do that. People are too lazy to get behind a cause worth doing.
that may well be true. but if he just accepts this ruling, he's handing that principal an undeserved victory. he has given in to "the man" without so much as a "please sir, i want some more"

if he takes it to the school board or superintendant or whatever the next level up is in dutch schools at least he can say that he showed them up for the hypocrits they are. what is the message this principal is giving? "we support alternate lifestyles and cultures but only if we think they are aesthetically pleasing"? the man is an asshole and needs to be shown up as one.

that may well be true. but if he just accepts this ruling, he's handing that principal an undeserved victory. he has given in to "the man" without so much as a "please sir, i want some more"

if he takes it to the school board or superintendant or whatever the next level up is in dutch schools at least he can say that he showed them up for the hypocrits they are. what is the message this principal is giving? "we support alternate lifestyles and cultures but only if we think they are aesthetically pleasing"? the man is an asshole and needs to be shown up as one.

But again, it's likely nobody will listen. Especially if the man doesn't make a big scene about it. If it treats it like it's nothing, not worth his attention, then it will be made into nothing, unless a miracle happens and - like I said - the kid gets a bunch of people behind him.

Once we're were having a crack down on Uniforms, and at the end of the week, there was about 90 people in (Lunchtime) detention.

I forgot the mention that if nessercery, a teacher can have an ENTIRE class in at lunch time. All they have to do is be there.

The "dresscode prevents bullying" argument is a dead duck.

I believe people should be free to express themselves even if they do come across silly to others like teachers, parents, etc. At least, if you choose what you wear and get heckled for it you either have to stand up or conform. With standard dress, the picking will probably be more directed towards physical "abnormalities", which is in my view a lot worse...

Of course, there is always the problem of kids who want to look cool and in style but don´t have the money, it is somtimes said that enforcing a dress code will prevent the poorer of kids from being bullied by the richer kids for their lack of nike, reebok, oasics, gucci, vuitton or some other crappy brand. It is true that dresscodes somewhat mitigate class or wealth differences, but after school, when the preppy clothes are off everyone is going to know about whether your dad drives a bmw or a volvo.

The prevention of bullying should not be about changing the way people look, but about changing the way people look at each other. If there´s a school with big bully-issues, which I suspect from experience is almost every school then the schoolboard has to be constructive in combatting it, which is not by passing the issue off as "solved by uniformity"

I my self don't agree with this statment made by an honarable member. If dress codes wern't in place in schools can you imagine how shabby schools would look. The U.K is noted for it's smart dress codes but if dress codes were no more our schools could end up looking as shambolic as french schools.

Define 'Non-shambolic' do you mean 'What the government thinks looks nice.' with that?

Of course, there is always the problem of kids who want to look cool and in style but don´t have the money, it is somtimes said that enforcing a dress code will prevent the poorer of kids from being bullied by the richer kids for their lack of nike, reebok, oasics, gucci, vuitton or some other crappy brand. It is true that dresscodes somewhat mitigate class or wealth differences, but after school, when the preppy clothes are off everyone is going to know about whether your dad drives a bmw or a volvo.


Don't forget Burberry!

I always forget burberry

You'll have to look out for chavs now!

My school banned metal band t-shirts ('88-'92 era) because someone on the board saw an advertisement for satanic material w/ an address in my hometown.

Our schools strict-now. it used to be cool, you ahd to wear a school jumpers and black trousiers, anything else was allowed. (ie: You could wear Balck jeans, pink T-shirt and yellow traienrs if you wanted to) Year 11 wore what they wanted, and everyone was happy. it didn't create mis-behavor or anything.

But, 2 years down the line and 1 new headteacher later, we how have green blazers, white (with school insignia) shirts with house ties. we also have school, (Insignia again) trousiers, black 'proper' shoes, no gelling/dueing of hair. And your only allowed to have studs in your ears. (This dosn't affect me, i only wear a stud anyway.)

And that improved from last year, then girls had to wear studs and only girls where allowed peicings. But everyone rebelled and we used the sex-discrimination act andb a few others to improve things.

You'll have to look out for chavs now!

*crawls out from under a rock*

What are chavs, pray tell

*shrugs* It's not a matter of free speech, but a matter of whether or not it's oppressive at all.

*crawls out from under a rock*

What are chavs, pray tell

From what I understand, they're essentially British preps.

But again, it's likely nobody will listen. Especially if the man doesn't make a big scene about it. If it treats it like it's nothing, not worth his attention, then it will be made into nothing, unless a miracle happens and - like I said - the kid gets a bunch of people behind him.
im not disagreeing with you. he probably has no real chance to win.

but why give up without a fight? artists might lose but not from lack of trying. self respect dictates that he stand up for what he believes in. if that is duct tape and paperclips then thats what he fights for. the battle is more important than winning or losing.

*crawls out from under a rock*

What are chavs, pray tell
www.chavscum.com

My school banned metal band t-shirts ('88-'92 era) because someone on the board saw an advertisement for satanic material w/ an address in my hometown. I hate that. I personally don't really like metal and it's culture exect for some 'Goth' Metal and most Black Metal. But it's just narcistic to see your own culture as better. Let people dress the way they want.

A, ´t is familiar to me these people, here in holland we have them too...

Perhaps the chav is the english "sjonnie"

With Sjonnies you mean 'Uncivilized mediocry knowledgeable middle aged males that have two children and was Ajax-Feyenoord with beer at their trusty side'.?

if you come to britain at any point they can enforce anything really (state schools have only just lost the right to force female students to wear skirts) my school enforced jewlry (you were allowed 1 pair of studs in the ears (if female) and a necklace if it had spiritual/personal significance you were allowed 1 non signet ring) full uniform, types of shoes/trousers (i.e. flaired trousers were not allowed) skirt length, hair colouring (dyeing got you suspended), how you wore your tie, how you buttoned your shirt, how you wore your hair.

so it could be worse

Yeah mine was like that, but you couldn't shave your head or wear a coat inside when it was freezing, or take your blazer off when it was boiling hot. You had to pull your tie up so it was practically choking you, and if that's not detracting from the learning environment I don't know what is.

With Sjonnies you mean 'Uncivilized mediocry knowledgeable middle aged males that have two children and was Ajax-Feyenoord with beer at their trusty side'.?

not all sjonnies are middle-aged mind you, they have to come from somewhere, but basically, YES :p

Within a school, personal appearance and clothing are only protected by the First Ammendment of the United States Constitution if they are a form of political or religious speech or have a political or religious meaning behind them. E.g. if you had a tattoo of a crusifix or something of that nature, the school might not be able to prohibit it if you could prove that a tattoo is a form of speech. Likewise with the earrings. As for hair length, in the United States that also cannot be prohibited if it has political and/or religious meaning. Hair itself actually has a legal precident to it:

Alabama v. Coushatta Tribes of Texas v. Big Sandy School Dist, 817 F. Supp. 1319 (E.D. Tex. 1993)
In this case the court issued a preliminary injunction enjoining the school from enforcing a hair regulation against Native American students who asserted that the maintenance of their long hair represented moral and spiritual strength. The court found this to be a symbol of their religion and thus it was protected as a matter of religious freedom.

[Source: http://www.aclu-wi.org/youth/rights/lawlibrary.html#Dress]

Also, if the earring ban is only for men, that is a violating of the Equal Protection Clause

Colorado Indep. School Dist. v. Barber, 864 S.W. 2d 806 (Tex. App. Eastland 1993)

[Source: ibid.]

Granted, neither of these are absolute as they are not Supreme Court rulings but they could be used as legal presidences.

As for your ducttape, if you put:
Go George Bush! or Boo George Bush!
in ducttape on yourself, that's political speech. Also, because George is in front of his last name they'd be less likely to argue that a particular double entendre is disruptive.

Of course, I'm not a lawyer and you should seek the advise of actual legal counsel. All this of course assumes you live in the good old U.S. of A., if you're a Canadian or Brit, you're on your own as I know jack about their laws.

*crawls out from under a rock*

What are chavs, pray tell

They wear fake designer clothing and fake gold, put sports grills on their old useless cars and play rap/hip-hop music really loud when you pass them. They tend to have a problem with other people like emos, goths and skaters('greebos') as well. They use words like 'safe' and 'sorted', but so do most non-chavs in my area. You should watch 'Ali G in da house' to see how the chavs in that behave. (If you can stand it, mind. That film is pretty annoying.)

Hey Guy, I'm sorry, dresscodes really suck, mainly because they are absofuckinglutely senseless. In my opinion it's even destructive to equal every pupil in a school, as a matter of fact they are individual personalities, so what's the problem to just let them express themselves as they want to?
This crappy uniforms-stop-bullying argument is as old as stupid. I really would like to know, who invented that. In my school (Berlin) there is absolutely no dresscode and I don't know a single school in Berlin where this is established and there is no bullying at all. Bullying hasn't got to do anything with clothes, but with the values you learned at home as well as in school. So a school with caring, capable and relaxed teachers and a good atmosphere avoids fights. But in my opinion a dresscode and all those suppressing rules are destroying a good atmosphere.
I think treating pupils as normal, valuable personalities and showing respect for them is the key for a good time in school. Why are there still headmasters and teachers who don't understand that, by the way my headmaster is gay, would that be possible in the US? Just something that would interest me.

Well you'd probably hate english schools were uniform is compulsory. I guess teachers are stuck with the 70's teachings of 'Uniforms make everyone feel proud'. Also 'no-one is to blame, except the victim'. I'm impartial, Uniforms okay, but we should be allowed to have non-uniform days. If any english person knows what I'm talking about.

You could also say the school is bullying the people that don't like the dresscode as a matter of taste over the people who happen to do like it by coincidence?

Once we're were having a crack down on Uniforms, and at the end of the week, there was about 90 people in (Lunchtime) detention.

I remember one day in school when the principal announced over the intercom "Will all teachers please check that students are wearing appropiate footwear". Around two hundred people got detention and letters home for the crime of wearing white trainers. I'm so glad I'm finished with school.

I remember one day in school when the principal announced over the intercom "Will all teachers please check that students are wearing appropiate footwear". Around two hundred people got detention and letters home for the crime of wearing white trainers. I'm so glad I'm finished with school.I wear my fathers old and practically desintegrated slippers because all modern slippers and shoes follow the curves of your feet and I hate that. I want a flat survice to walk upon.

One of my favorite arguements for school uniforms is the rich kid/poor kid argument. This argument goes that rich kids will be able to afford designer clothes and poor kids will get their feeling hurt by having to go generic and that school uniforms will solve this. B.S. Who do you think will get the newest uniforms and who do you think will have to stay with hand-me-downs?

Meh. He should be like Ghandi and do the whole "peaceful dissent" thing. Just keep wearing the stuff, and if the man makes a big deal out of it, then at least he can't ignore you later.

They wear fake designer clothing and fake gold, put sports grills on their old useless cars and play rap/hip-hop music really loud when you pass them. They tend to have a problem with other people like emos, goths and skaters('greebos') as well. They use words like 'safe' and 'sorted', but so do most non-chavs in my area. You should watch 'Ali G in da house' to see how the chavs in that behave. (If you can stand it, mind. That film is pretty annoying.)
Oh I get it Chavs are your form of wiggers. Now it makes sense.

I remember one day in school when the principal announced over the intercom "Will all teachers please check that students are wearing appropiate footwear". Around two hundred people got detention and letters home for the crime of wearing white trainers. I'm so glad I'm finished with school.
I wear Black skate shoes, about the only way of showing indviduality at my school.


Still get detention if Me B finds me!

I went to an all girls school - strict uniform code: black knee length A-line skirt, white shirt, buttoned to the neck, red tie, black V-neck jumper with a red stripe on the v-neck, and with the school crest. White/black socks/tights, black shoes. A necklace/chain could be worn under the shirt, a watch was acceptable, one pair of earrings (any more would be confiscated immediately), hair to be tied back, no wearing of trousers coming to and from school, regardless of rain or bad weather (some people walked 2 miles or more in freezing rain in skirts!). A note should be provided from your parents if you deviated from this dress code.

Oh, and just to piss us off a little bit more, every day, at noon, the principle would come on over the intercom system, and make all classes stop while she said the Angelus. I hated that woman, I really did...

Catholic School?

I went to an all girls school - strict uniform code: black knee length A-line skirt, white shirt, buttoned to the neck, red tie, black V-neck jumper with a red stripe on the v-neck, and with the school crest. White/black socks/tights, black shoes. A necklace/chain could be worn under the shirt, a watch was acceptable, one pair of earrings (any more would be confiscated immediately), hair to be tied back, no wearing of trousers coming to and from school, regardless of rain or bad weather (some people walked 2 miles or more in freezing rain in skirts!). A note should be provided from your parents if you deviated from this dress code.

Oh, and just to piss us off a little bit more, every day, at noon, the principle would come on over the intercom system, and make all classes stop while she said the Angelus. I hated that woman, I really did...Why do people think they know what's 'appropriate' and others don't...

My school, claiming to accept everyone and every custom. Claiming to be very liberal and openminded. Also claiming to show understanding for psychiatric issues(That's the purpose of my school.) Is henceforth from tomorrow on retracting my right to aesthetically improve myself with ducktape and paperclips.

Principal: 'It's not needed for anything.'

Which brings me to this subject: Dresscodes at school. I've read about a school that doesn't allow piercings and tattooss. As much as I receive a spontanious vomitting spree from piercings, earrings and tattoos. I think it's outrageous that a single person in a school has the right to determin that earings are proper decorations of one's body and a piercing is not. I'm annoyed by people who dress in too bright colours but I'm not seeing that illigalized.

Who is Adriaan (My school want's it's teachers and students to adress each other on a first name basis, that's nice though.) to determin what is 'needed' I'd say earrings don't add anything aesthetically and a tatoo is just revolting but that's allowed. And it should be allowed. Let people decide themselves how they want to dress. Not the school.

Does anyone else find this wierd? I mean..the school actually pursuading the kids to call the teachers by their first names....seems kinda stupid. I have always thought that you called teachers by Mr._____ for a reason, respect.

I dont know, just seems kinda stupid for the school to actually go out of their way to promote this kinda shit...seems like the school just wants to be rebellious for no real reason at all.

Thats just an American perspective of it anyway.

The A-Team can make a non-lethal car chase with explosions with that stuff.

not without a blowtorch they cant.

School teachse us how to be good capitalists. to do that we have to conform to rules that are stupid, hence the stupid rules, its just practice.

Meh, uniforms aren't that bad. It prepares you for the real world. Almost all workplaces have some kind of dresscode, especially those were the employees are dealing with the public. As for 'uniforms stop bullying': I think it's safe to say no teacher or school administrator actually believes that, but it does take ammunition away from the bullies. If everyone wears the same thing nobody wil get bullied for what they're wearing. That doesn't mean the won't get bullied, just not because of what they're wearing. In my school we have civies days ever now and then where we can wear our own clothes to school, but we have to pay. Actually the paying is usually the purpose of the civies day, to raise money for one thing or another. We had a pink day a while ago to raise money for the Marie Keating Foundation.

We always call them non_School Uniform days. Youy pay a quid to go in normal clothes and it rases money for a good cause.

Like Jeans for Genes.

Does anyone else find this wierd? I mean..the school actually pursuading the kids to call the teachers by their first names....seems kinda stupid. I have always thought that you called teachers by Mr._____ for a reason, respect.

I dont know, just seems kinda stupid for the school to actually go out of their way to promote this kinda shit...seems like the school just wants to be rebellious for no real reason at all.

Thats just an American perspective of it anyway.It creates distance to adress someone with last names, my school is filled with psychotherapists and psychiatres and they advised that children will have less problems here if they see the teachers more as friends rather than superiours.

I have children(Adults for that matter) In my class who score 18/11 of the required score on tests(Almost impossible in holland) continuesly yet are three years behind because they sat those years at home because they couldn't function at normal schools. A lof of people at my school are schizophrene or have a form of autism or chronic depression