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As a Radio Talk Show fan, I hate Rush. He sucks up to Bush wayyy too much. I swear half the time he acts like he slept with Bush. I like other conservative talk show host on the local station because at least they are critical of the Bush admin when Bush needs to be critizied. However, Rush actually made sense when it came to Valentines Day.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_021406/content/eib_lovestack.guest.html

RUSH: A story from CNN out of London: "Valentine's Day: Lonely Time for Singles -- If you don't receive a dozen red roses this Valentine's Day, don't fret, you're not alone. The love season is a lonesome time for many -- flowers, chocolates and red hearts flaunted around can make it hard to ignore your single status." Ha! Ha! "As lovebirds enjoy a romantic meal together, you could be spending the night in front of the TV, with a meal for one." Yeah. "Lora De Felice, 32, is doing just that. 'I'm renting an action video, having Lebanese takeaway and switching my phone off. As a single woman, Valentine's Day reminds me of what I haven't got, a partner and a loving relationship.'"

Well, Lora, you need to call this program and call this program fast, because you are falling pray to a giant marketing trick. Do you know how many of these couples are out there having dinner tonight are doing it because they think they have to? How many boxes of chocolate, how many cards, how many dozens of roses are being sent not because anybody wants to, but because if they don't they'll catch hell because it's Valentine's Day and you're "supposed to do it"? So this is a day of obligation. This is not a day of love, and you're falling prey to it. If you're going to run out and feel lonely on Valentine's Days but you're not lonely the day before or the day after, you're falling for the trick. You're falling into the trap.

This is another thing I refuse to play by. They want to schedule... We get too many obligatory holidays like this. This is not a holiday, but nobody will convince me that Hallmark isn't behind this in a conspiracy going back to the 1400s, the descendants of the Hall family in Kansas City, they probably started all this. Then the Russell Stover people. They're all from Kansas City, by the way. Then the Russell Stover people got involved, and then it all broke loose, then they found a saint to associate with it, and why am I not more romantic. (interruption) Who says I'm not romantic? What is romantic about acting romantic on Valentine's Day when you are supposed to? What is it? I'm plenty romantic when the mood strikes me, but I'm not going to sit here and have my mood dictated by what I'm obligated to do because it's Valentine's Day.

Look at this. We got however many single people in this country are going to be in the fits of depression tonight simply because (interruption). Well Snerdley won't and I won't be. I've got some people coming over for dinner tonight, a couple family members are in town, but there's not going to be any reference to Valentine's Day, I'm telling you! I told them to get that out of the way before they show up. These are just little manipulative tricks that our society plays, and Lora De Felice? Somebody call her. She's 32. Tell her it's not worth it. It's not worth getting depressed. Lebanese takeout is fine; action movie is fine, but if that's what you want to do, then don't let anybody tell you that what you're doing is not good simply because you're alone.


This is just all this manipulation going on. Really. Really, I've never really understood Valentine's Day. I have never understood it. (interruption) Aaaaaah, as a teenager it's different. You don't know anything, and you think this kind of stuff actually works. This doesn't work. The women expect this stuff. You don't gain anything. All you do is fulfill an obligation.

"He sent me roses on Valentine's Day."

"Yeah? Yeah, and would he have sent them on February 14th if there weren't a holiday?"

"But he did."

"Yeah? Okay, fine, but obviously it doesn't score you any points."

Who ever remembers a Valentine's present unless it's an engagement? (sigh) Eh, sometimes you never forget those.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: Dena in Madison, Alabama, I'm glad you called. you're next on the Rush Limbaugh program. Hi.

CALLER: Hi, Rush. How are you?

RUSH: Never better. Thank you.

CALLER: I wanted to call you so many times on all your political views but now I've actually called and gotten through on such a trivial issue, but I had to call and say how much I agree with you about the whole Valentine's issue.

RUSH: Thank you. Thank you.

CALLER: It is over the top. I am a married woman with -- of course woman with -- 15 years this April, and we dated for seven years before that, and I've never liked Valentine's Day, and I think that the media and the marketing has gone way over the top with it, and this poor woman that this article is written about, I'm hoping that there are other mothers like myself, mothers of young girls that help teach their girls not to grow up and feel like this poor woman feels, because that is not what life is all about.

RUSH: The mass marketing, I don't think there's that. Obviously you've got the Valentine ads and you've got the Valentine's this and so forth. I mean, if people want to fall into it and participate in it, it's fine. The thing that touched me about the story is that here is a woman who is actually giving up the power of her feelings to a concept, and she's allowing herself to feel alone on this one night because she's not got anything going on, on Valentine's Day, and I think that it's a great illustration of how people get caught up in doing what they think they should be doing, being who they think they should be based on what others' expectations of them are, or they in this case think they are missing out on something, because I will guarantee you this woman thinks every year...

It's like New Year's Eve. Everybody thinks that New Year's Eve is the best party in the world and everybody is at the best party except them, especially if they're alone or staying home, and they get all depressed because they think all these other people are out there having a grand time when not nearly as many as they think are, same thing with Valentine's Day. The number of people eating dinner tonight in a restaurant because they actually want to be there as opposed to: "I'd better do this. I better make this reservation. Gosh, I hope I can get a table!" I would wager that the vast majority of flowers going back and forth today and candy grams and so forth and dinner reservations is because of, "I think I'd better do this," sense of obligation. Meanwhile, this woman is sitting those people feeling all alone, and it's just a shame. She doesn't have to be.

CALLER: Yeah. I just hate it that thought process has to happen and I just can't help but think that there are many more out there like that, and I just don't want my daughter to feel like that when she's growing up, you know, that someone telling her how to feel, and it's just ridiculous. It really is. It's a family thing for us. We do it as a family.


RUSH: Valentine's Day?

CALLER: I'm sorry?

RUSH: You do Valentine's Day as a family?

CALLER: Well, no. We let our children enjoy it. They get little Valentine's cards and things like that, because it's not --

RUSH: A-ha!

CALLER: No! No!

RUSH: So you have fallen for it! (Laughing)

CALLER: Nooo.

RUSH: You just have made it something else! (laughing)

CALLER: Not in the sense that you're talking about. I don't make my husband feel like he has to go out and buy me something.

RUSH: (chuckling)

CALLER: I just think that's ridiculous.

RUSH: I'll tell you what. Dawn asked me when I first went on my little monologue about Valentine's Day, she -- What was her question? "Why am I so unromantic?" Or am I (interruption). Well, Dawn, here's the way I honestly look at this: "In the right relationship, every day is Valentine's Day." There, how's that? That will make 'em melt. Yeah. (Laughing.) How many times will that be said tonight? Thanks for the call out there, Dena. I appreciate it.

I'm sure if you ask the mods nicely they can kill this thread before someone notices what you said.Valentines is your friend= buy merchandise. NOW.

I'm sure if you ask the mods nicely they can kill this thread before someone notices what you said.

What? Rush is actually right when it came to how fake Valentines Day is, and how it has a negative impact on our society.

Even a blind squirrel, occasionally gets a nut.

Rush is still the most vinegary of all douches.

I'm sure if you ask the mods nicely they can kill this thread before someone notices what you said.

eh? From what i've heard of rush he does have tendency to spout an awful amount of crap but he does seem to be right on the money here.

Even a blind squirrel, occasionally gets a nut.

Rush is still the most vinegary of all douches.

You know, call me crazy, but I don't think he is like this in the real world. Me thinkth that the "Rush Limbaugh Show" is just that, a show. I wouldn't be suprised if Rush was actually more moderate than his radio persona would allow you to believe. One of the things you gotta do in radio is to put on a show, and this is how he does it.

You know, call me crazy, but I don't think he is like this in the real world. Me thinkth that the "Rush Limbaugh Show" is just that, a show. I wouldn't be suprised if Rush was actually more moderate than his radio persona would allow you to believe. One of the things you gotta do in radio is to put on a show, and this is how he does it.

By being a twat?

By being a twat?

Hey any publicity is good publiclity. I mean even the people who hate Rush talks about him and tune into his show. So it works.

You know, call me crazy, but I don't think he is like this in the real world. Me thinkth that the "Rush Limbaugh Show" is just that, a show. I wouldn't be suprised if Rush was actually more moderate than his radio persona would allow you to believe. One of the things you gotta do in radio is to put on a show, and this is how he does it.


No..Rush is a douchebag.

Check out Al Franken's book "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot."

Hes said so much garbage on and off the air, to make me pretty convinced hes a worthless bigot, woman-hating, hippocritcal swine.

No..Rush is a douchebag.

Check out Al Franken's book "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot."

Hes said so much garbage on and off the air, to make me pretty convinced hes a worthless bigot, woman-hating, hippocritcal swine.

How do you know that Al Franken isn't putting on a show too?

He could have...

But as he clearly states in the book, he didnt need to.
That stuff writes itself.

The only job Franken had to do, was throw in the occasional joke.

He could have...

But as he clearly states in the book, he didnt need to.
That stuff writes itself.

The only job Franken had to do, was throw in the occasional joke.

Rush Limbaugh and Al Fraken are playing the same game. They are both showing their own "showmanship" style. Rush acts like a right wing nutjob because he knows that it'll get him the most audience and it'll get him the most publicity. Al Franken is doing the same in his Left wing liberal style. Five bucks says that these two men have more in common than people realize.

No..Rush is a douchebag.

Check out Al Franken's book "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot."

Hes said so much garbage on and off the air, to make me pretty convinced hes a worthless bigot, woman-hating, hippocritcal swine.

Go Al Franken!

In Professional Radio, and any form of media, the objective is rating. The higher your rating the better you are. However, I personally think George Noorey and Art Bell kicks Rush Limbaugh and Al Fraken ass!

Not much.

They both have radio shows.
They both have written books.

Other than that....

Franken has never chosen to leave his wife, and inform her of the news, while re-cuperating in the hosptital. Then, continuing to preach about the "sanctity of marriage in America".

Unless Im confusing him with some one else....guess who has?

Not much.

They both have radio shows.
They both have written books.

Other than that....

Franken has never chosen to leave his wife, and inform her of the news, while re-cuperating in the hosptital. Then, continuing to preach about the "sanctity of marriage in America".

Unless Im confusing him with some one else....guess who has?

You DO realize that Al Fraken is also in SNL right? I'm sorry but a guy who used (or may still) work on SNL loses creditability as a political talk show host.

Also, why are you acting like Rush Limbaugh is the first person to get a divorce? Why don't you go after the Hollywood couples that get married and divorces everyday?

I will say it one more time. "It's just a show, don't read too much into either talk show host."

You DO realize that Al Fraken is also in SNL right? I'm sorry but a guy who used (or may still) work on SNL loses creditability as a political talk show host.

Ronald Reagan was in "Bedtime for Bonzo."
The Govenor of California was in a Batman movie....a really bad Batman movie.
You lose.

Besides, if you have any doubt as to wether or not Franken knows what he's talking about, you should check out what he has done, besides his comedy writing.

Also, why are you acting like Rush Limbaugh is the first person to get a divorce?

The man dumped his wife.... while she was in the frickin hospital!
How fuggin COLD can a person be?



Why don't you go after the Hollywood couples that get married and divorces everyday?

What makes you think I have any respect for them either?

I will say it one more time. "It's just a show, don't read too much into either talk show host."

Wow....thanks for that......as if it had anything to do with anything else.

My point was that Rush is as big of a dickholein real life, as he appears on his show.

Ronald Reagan was in "Bedtime for Bonzo."
The Govenor of California was in a Batman movie....a really bad Batman movie.
You lose.

Besides, if you have any doubt as to wether or not Franken knows what he's talking about, you should check out what he has done, besides his comedy writing.

I listened to him on Air America a few times, didn't really like it and went back to the AM dial.


The man dumped his wife.... while she was in the frickin hospital!
How fuggin COLD can a person be?


I'll give you that one, that is cold.


What makes you think I have any respect for them either?


Just making sure you're being equal here.


Wow....thanks for that......as if it had anything to do with anything else.

My point was that Rush is as big of a dickholein real life, as he appears on his show.

And my point is that unless you know the man PERSONALLY you really aren't in any position to judge his character, and reading an obviously biased book (Al Franken's book) doesn't count since it was obvious that it was going to be skewed.

Also, why are you acting like Rush Limbaugh is the first person to get a divorce?
Good point. Marrion "John Wayne" Robert Morrison got married and used it as a deferrment to stay out of the war, and then when the war ended, he got divorced. Everything was within 6 months of the big dates. *nods*
Gotta love Reagan fans! *look it up*

As a Radio Talk Show fan, I hate Rush. He sucks (up to) Bush wayyy too much. I swear half the time he acts like he slept with Bush.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_021406/content/eib_lovestack.guest.html
((Off) ... or excise emphasized?)
As for Limblob sleeping with Bush, who can sleep with all that knob-gobbling going on? :fluffle:
Seriously though, Limblob might actually give it up for Bush since Limblob has to be picky about who he allows up his Love Canal ... ever since the pilonodal cyst surgery. And Bush very clearly acts like he's compensating for having an extremely small pecker.
It all kind of makes sense in a romantic way. I bet it was just love tag on this particular occasion. *nods*

Happy V-D!

You DO realize that Al Fraken is also in SNL right? I'm sorry but a guy who used (or may still) work on SNL loses creditability as a political talk show host.

So does some one who has all but admitted to being a loud-mouth hypocrite.

So does some one who has all but admitted to being a loud-mouth hypocrite.
He sure can run a catchy polka, though!

http://bootnewt.tripod.com/imanazi.htm

He sure can run a catchy polka, though!

http://bootnewt.tripod.com/imanazi.htm

LOL, that is funny.

LOL, that is funny.
Remember the radio show i mentioned?
I've actually played that tune on it. It's been around since the '90's.

Remember the radio show i mentioned?
I've actually played that tune on it. It's been around since the '90's.

I always wondered if Rush has always been like this on his show. Probably so. I'm going to be more laid back on my show.

I always wondered if Rush has always been like this on his show. Probably so. I'm going to be more laid back on my show.
He's been ... how do you put it ... consistent. *nods*
That's ABSOLUTELY the nicest thing i can say about him.

He's been ... how do you put it ... consistent. *nods*
That's ABSOLUTELY the nicest thing i can say about him.

Well I don't really care for his style. I prefer the radio style of Art Bell or George Noorey. My style is basically going to be laid back except when I get into a debate. Even in a debate I plan on sticking to the topic and not resort to personal attack that Rush does.

Not much.

They both have radio shows.
They both have written books.

Other than that....

Franken has never chosen to leave his wife, and inform her of the news, while re-cuperating in the hosptital. Then, continuing to preach about the "sanctity of marriage in America".

Unless Im confusing him with some one else....guess who has?
You forgot to mention about the rabid railing against durg-use while being totally smashed off his gourd on the things.

Well I don't really care for his style. I prefer the radio style of Art Bell or George Noorey. My style is basically going to be laid back except when I get into a debate. Even in a debate I plan on sticking to the topic and not resort to personal attack that Rush does.
It kinda begs the question as to what you think of Michael "Savage" Weiner ...?

It kinda begs the question as to what you think of Michael "Savage" Weiner ...?

I never heard of him. The only national talk show I listen to is Coast to Coast AM. Other than that it's local host for me. I tune into 1110 WBT. www.wbt.com

I listen to Keith Larson, John Handcock, and Jason Lewis.

I never heard of him. The only national talk show I listen to is Coast to Coast AM. Other than that it's local host for me. I tune into 1110 WBT. www.wbt.com

I listen to Keith Larson, John Handcock, and Jason Lewis.
Well i happen to have preference for Art, for plenty of reasons (not just HAARP and the other stuff) ... one of the neatest being he started on KUDO AM 1080 up here in AK first!
That, and of course, he was on Millenium. *nods*
As for the other folk, you'll have to just take my apologies on them, i don't know 'em.

Well i happen to have preference for Art, for plenty of reasons (not just HAARP and the other stuff) ... one of the neatest being he started on KUDO AM 1080 up here in AK first!
That, and of course, he was on Millenium. *nods*
As for the other folk, you'll have to just take my apologies on them, i don't know 'em.

Like I said they are just local host, however they are celeberties here in the Charlotte Metro area.

And my point is that unless you know the man PERSONALLY you really aren't in any position to judge his character, and reading an obviously biased book (Al Franken's book) doesn't count since it was obvious that it was going to be skewed.

Please...

Dont play the "source" game.

If anything about Limbaugh is true, and the facts in Frankens book, are almost entirely true, except when satire, then I personally have the right to judge Limbaugh as he is.

and what he is.....is a mean, angry, self-righteous piece of shit.

Please...

Dont play the "source" game.

If anything about Limbaugh is true, and the facts in Frankens book, are almost entirely true, except when satire, then I personally have the right to judge Limbaugh as he is.

and what he is.....is a mean, angry, self-righteous piece of shit.

Uh huh, and did Franken say where he got these "facts"? Face the fact, this is not an unbiased book. Hell even the title should tell you that this isn't going to be a fair and blance book. I actually went to www.amazon.com and I looked up the description of his book.

Franken, a writer and performer on Saturday Night Live and in feature films, does to Limbaugh what the conservative talk-show host has been doing to Democratic politicians for years. Using admitted half-truths and out-of-context quotes, he skewers Rush & Friends as no liberal has done in years. Franken does a retrospective of Limbaugh's life from when he "fed off the largesse of the government in the form of unemployment insurance"; how he failed to register to vote until he was 35; how he used two airline coach seats to fit his opulent hind-quarters; and how he got a 4-F deferment because of a pilonidal cyst. There are two hilarious sketches: "My 'Conversation' with Rush Limbaugh" uses out-of-context quotes to corner Rush in much the same way that Limbaugh once had a "conversation" with Hillary Clinton; and "Operation Chickenhawk," with Ollie North leading Vietnam draft-dodgers Limbaugh, Quayle, Buchanan, George Will and Clarence Thomas to their demises in Asian rice paddies. Franken also doesn't have anything nice to say about Newt Gingrich, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Phil Gramm and others of the haranguing right. A mean-spirited, albeit funny, diatribe that will delight liberals. Illustrations not seen by PW.
Copyright 1996 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0440508649/sr=8-5/qid=1140151241/ref=pd_bbs_5/102-6088424-3979317?%5Fencoding=UTF8


Yea, what an unbiased book. :rolleyes:. I don't like Rush either, but I don't like it when people take an obvious satiral and biased book as fact. As far as the judging, I believe in Jesus's teaching when he says that we should not judge. That is for God to decide.

and what he is.....is a mean, angry, self-righteous piece of shit.
(If i may) ...
As i had alluded to earlier ...
so is "Savage" and O'Reilly and Hannity and Ferguson and Coulter and Michael Reagan and Ken Hamblin, as well as a few others.

Yea, what an unbiased book. :rolleyes:. I don't like Rush either, but I don't like it when people take an obvious satiral and biased book as fact. As far as the judging, I believe in Jesus's teaching when he says that we should not judge. That is for God to decide.


Dude.

The book is satire, and explicity written to make fun of Rush.

However, there are quite a few things in there, that most certainly did happen.
Do you understand?

Things that Rush has said, done, and acted upon, that make him the asshole that he is.
It doesnt matter that these things are in Franken's book.
It anyone else talked about the things that Rush has done, I would still have the same opinion of Rush, as I do now.

Franken just happened to put them all togther in his book, and give his opinion of what a douche Limbaugh really is.
It just so happens, I happen to agree with him.

As for the "leave the judging to Jesus" crap, you personally judge people and cultures all the time, on this very forum.
We've all read your post, ranting about Islam, or any number of things.
How in the hell can you say that?

I guess youre just as much of a hippocrite as every other Christian.

Dude.

The book is satire, and explicity written to make fun of Rush.

However, there are quite a few things in there, that most certainly did happen.
Do you understand?

Things that Rush has said, done, and acted upon, that make him the asshole that he is.
It doesnt matter that these things are in Franken's book.
It anyone else talked about the things that Rush has done, I would still have the same opinion of Rush, as I do now.

Franken just happened to put them all togther in his book, and give his opinion of what a douche Limbaugh really is.
It just so happens, I happen to agree with him.

As for the "leave the judging to Jesus" crap, you personally judge people and cultures all the time, on this very forum.
We've all read your post, ranting about Islam, or any number of things.
How in the hell can you say that?

I guess youre just as much of a hippocrite as every other Christian.


In the intrest of just trying to prove a point, and sometimes I am willing to go to great length just to prove a point. I brought the damn book. I just got done with reading the chapters pretaining to Rush Limbaugh and all I can say is wow... While I'll give him some credit that he seemed to have Rush's public information right, such as the divorces, voting records, etc. He did very poorly on disecting Rush's show. He basically just takes bits and parts of Rush's TV show, and radio show and basically does the same hack job that Rush does on his show. Kettle meet Pot. What's even more amazing that in Chapter 2 of this book, He actually did admit that Rush and him probably has alot in common! He shoot, he scores! Did I call it for did I call it?! So while Al may have gotten Rush's public records (voting, divorces etc.) right. He did the same hack job on Rush that Rush employes on his show everyday with soundbytes and other stuff. So in conclusion, Al is as big of a entertainer as Rush is. They both use the same method to anaylize their source or whatever basically the same way. So now I am selling the book on Amazon.

As for the snide christian remark, so, in order for me to not be judgemental, I shouldn't have opinons, I shouldn't make comment based on what I observed as with the whole muhammed cartoon fisaco? Tell me backwoods, what do you consider to be judgemental? To me, a judgemental person does what you do. Calls people name, degrade them, and the ultimate judgement is deciding if a person is going to hell or not. All I've done is observed current events and call people on their actions. Calling people violent based on thier actions is not a sin. Have I've been judgemental in the past, eh most likely, but you fine people here have called me on it and I've retracted my judgemental statement and beg for forgiveness.

If you have a bias(twords anything. ANYTHING.) then that is judgement. You obviously have a conservative bias. Therefore you have judged people often before and will judge them in the future. How do you know that liberals wouldn't save the world if you gave them the chance? For that matter, how do you know Rush is a jerk (not that I don't think so too)? If you make any kind of moral judgement on people, then you have judged them. And now to end a slightly off-topic sidetopic.
EDIT: And as a note, I read that book too, and Franken does back all this up with facts(usually). He does do the "rush is fat" thing too much, but he has some points. (Most notably proving rush wrong about Reaganomics. He got the tax rates and mathematically proved rush is a liar.)

If you have a bias(twords anything. ANYTHING.) then that is judgement. You obviously have a conservative bias.

I do not deny that I do have a conservative biased. I actually used to be a liberal, but the '04 election changed all of that.


Therefore you have judged people often before and will judge them in the future.


Humans are falliable, it's in our nature. That why we have forgiveness and confession (well the Catholic Church does). I do not claim to be perfect, in fact, I know that I am far from perfect. I also know that I will never achieve perfection because in order for me to do that, I have to be God himself.


How do you know that liberals wouldn't save the world if you gave them the chance? For that matter, how do you know Rush is a jerk (not that I don't think so too)?


How did saving the world come into this? As for Rush's personality. As I have said many times, and in other topics, I do not care for Rush. I listened to his show a few times and I had to turn it off because he's just too right winged for me. He just tows the party line no matter what and I don't like that. One of my favorite radio personality is Jason Lewis. Jason Lewis is a conservative, but he attacks the Bush administration when it comes to the Iraq War, when it comes to the Republicans in Charlotte, NC. So he attacks both side of the isles. Look, I don't know what Rush is like in his personal life. I don't know what Rush does once the microphone goes off, and I refuse to make any kind of call on that because it wouldn't be right.


If you make any kind of moral judgement on people, then you have judged them. And now to end a slightly off-topic sidetopic.


I try very hard to avoid moral judgement, but have I made a few, probably. If I had, I ask for forgiveness and redemption.


EDIT: And as a note, I read that book too, and Franken does back all this up with facts(usually). He does do the "rush is fat" thing too much, but he has some points. (Most notably proving rush wrong about Reaganomics. He got the tax rates and mathematically proved rush is a liar.)

Eh, I never said he didn't use fact. I even admit that he got Rush's public life right, with the divorces etc. But when it comes to anayilizing Rush's show he uses the same hack technique that Rush uses on his show. Once again, kettle meet Pot.

Do I like Rush's show, no, I don't care for it much. Do I think that he is biased on his show, Hell yes! Rush is extremely biased on his show. Hence the comment that I made on the Original Post about him sleeping with Bush. Rush is just one of those guys whos going to tow the party line no matter what. Do I know if he's like this once the microphone goes off, no. Will I say that he's a fat obonixous slob off the show, no. Why, because I don't know that for a fact. Speculation and assumpions are fun, but when I'm engaged in a serious debate, like I am now, I try to stick with what I observed, with what I have learned to be fact, and I draw my own conclusion from what I observed and learn. Will my conclusion be biased, yep. We're all biased.

I'm not leaving yet, but I do hope everyone has a good day, yes even you Backwoods, you liberal nut! ;) (the liberal nut comment was just in jest, don't read too much into it.)