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Proof the music world has indeed gone to hell

The Nazz
16-02-2006, 05:43
Look at the number one album this week from Billboard (http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?f=The+Billboard+200&pageNumber=Top+1-10&g=Albums)

Barry Fucking Manilow.
Antikythera
16-02-2006, 05:45
inpressive:rolleyes:
and we wonder why the world hates us:headbang:
Lacadaemon
16-02-2006, 05:46
I stopped following the charts, the music industry, and music marketing about twenty years ago.

If it's not what I consider classical music, i.e., Willy Nelson, the beatles or Beethoven, I don't pay attention to it.

I did find out recently that I have to be stoned to enjoy King Crimson. Stupid growing up and not doing drugs. :mad:
Peechland
16-02-2006, 05:49
Thats just....insane. If I hear "Mandy" on the radio, I'm liable to crash my car into a tree. On purpose.
The Nazz
16-02-2006, 05:51
I stopped following the charts, the music industry, and music marketing about twenty years ago.

If it's not what I consider classical music, i.e., Willy Nelson, the beatles or Beethoven, I don't pay attention to it.

I did find out recently that I have to be stoned to enjoy King Crimson. Stupid growing up and not doing drugs. :mad:
Heh. The older I get, the farther back I go for my music. Lately I've been listening to very little that isn't jazz or blues from before 1965.
The Nazz
16-02-2006, 05:51
Thats just....insane. If I hear "Mandy" on the radio, I'm liable to crash my car into a tree. On purpose.
And disable the airbag first? :D
Peechland
16-02-2006, 05:53
And disable the airbag first? :D


Yes!

How is he still around? I figured he'd be doing shows in seedy nightclubs by now, getting paid in corn dogs and pretzels.
The Nazz
16-02-2006, 05:55
Yes!

How is he still around? I figured he'd be doing shows in seedy nightclubs by now, getting paid in corn dogs and pretzels.
Beats the hell out of me, but the title of the album is "The Greatest Songs of the Fifties," so I guess he's taking the Rod Stewart road to career revival.
Bodies Without Organs
16-02-2006, 05:56
Look at the number one album this week from Billboard (http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?f=The+Billboard+200&pageNumber=Top+1-10&g=Albums)

Barry Fucking Manilow.


Current UK number one (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/singles.shtml): Leo Sayer.

Chance or conspiracy? Only you can decide.
Texoma Land
16-02-2006, 05:58
Heh. The older I get, the farther back I go for my music. Lately I've been listening to very little that isn't jazz or blues from before 1965.

Same here. For the last few years I've really been into "adult standards" (Sinatra, Peggy Lee, Tony Bennet, etc), swing, and jazz. And now I'm developing an intrest in classical.
OntheRIGHTside
16-02-2006, 06:01
It's called nostalgia. Happened with Beatles 1. It'll go away like any other pop album on the charts, and even better, none of it will get played on the radio.
The Nazz
16-02-2006, 06:01
Current UK number one (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/singles.shtml): Leo Sayer.

Chance or conspiracy? Only you can decide.
Got to be a conspiracy. Our parents are finally having their revenge on us.
Undelia
16-02-2006, 06:06
Current UK number one (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/singles.shtml): Leo Sayer.

Chance or conspiracy? Only you can decide.
*Looks at UK charts*
Those chavs really are a problem, eh?
Eutrusca
16-02-2006, 06:07
Look at the number one album this week from Billboard (http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?f=The+Billboard+200&pageNumber=Top+1-10&g=Albums)

Barry Fucking Manilow.
ROFLMFAO!!! What? You don't like Barry Manilow? Tsk! Shame on you, Nazz! Hehehe! :p
The Nazz
16-02-2006, 06:11
ROFLMFAO!!! What? You don't like Barry Manilow? Tsk! Shame on you, Nazz! Hehehe! :p
Not since I was eight and heard Copacabana on an endless loop for about six months. You think we fight about politics, watch out on this. :D
Argesia
16-02-2006, 06:16
Willy Nelson sucks ass.
The Nazz
16-02-2006, 06:18
Willy Nelson sucks ass.
Dude, those are fighting words.
Cannot think of a name
16-02-2006, 06:19
Not since I was eight and heard Copacabana on an endless loop for about six months. You think we fight about politics, watch out on this. :D
When my friend graduated from Berkeley the speaker at her graduation started his speech by saying that his friends said that he should dump his speech and just sing Copacabana. At the end, he actually worked the speech towards singing it. It was pretty funny.

Less funny was having to play that song in high school band before we had a better band leader.

I've said this before-this is what downloading has wrought, the only one left buying albums is Barry Manilow fans.
Kanabia
16-02-2006, 06:33
It's called nostalgia. Happened with Beatles 1. It'll go away like any other pop album on the charts, and even better, none of it will get played on the radio.

The difference is, that Beatles compilation was worth buying. :p

Anyone who buys Barry Manilow however should be...uh. My lawyer has advised me to remain silent.
Eutrusca
16-02-2006, 06:37
Not since I was eight and heard Copacabana on an endless loop for about six months. You think we fight about politics, watch out on this. :D
Wanna know a secret? [ whispers ] ** I don't like him either. ** :D
Lacadaemon
16-02-2006, 06:46
Willy Nelson sucks ass.

Well thank you Vladimir Horowitz. Now that you have pointed that out, I have seen the light.

Silly me. For a moment there, I forgot musical tastes were all about peer pressure, which is why we should be listening to Barry Manilow right now.
Cannot think of a name
16-02-2006, 06:46
I'm going to make you all groan. This is from a friend of mine-you all know the tune to Oh Mandy, don't pretend you don't...

Oh Caesar,
You came and you saw and you conquered...
But they stabbed you to death,
O-h Caesar....

You will find yourself singing that at some point and then curse my (lack) of a name. I wish I could say I'm sorry...
Eutrusca
16-02-2006, 06:47
I'm going to make you all groan. This is from a friend of mine-you all know the tune to Oh Mandy, don't pretend you don't...

Oh Caesar,
You came and you saw and you conquered...
But they stabed you to death,
O-h Ceasar....

You will find yourself singing that at some point and then curse my (lack) of a name. I wish I could say I'm sorry...
You bastid! Heh!
Myotisinia
16-02-2006, 07:37
I thought Barry "Banana-nose" had died. No, really. I heard he was brought into hospital to have a nasal polyp removed and that once it was gone, the sides of his head had collapsed inward, leaving nothing left above his neck.
Kanabia
16-02-2006, 07:40
I thought Barry "Banana-nose" had died. No, really. I heard he was brought into hospital to have a nasal polyp removed and that once it was gone, the sides of his head had collapsed inward, leaving nothing left above his neck.

That's way old news. Didn't stop him making music. :p
Harric
16-02-2006, 07:40
lol you are all correct, barry is evil lol:)
Mourningrad
16-02-2006, 07:49
Captain Vice-Nuts is on the top ten? I take it Don Henley isn't too far behind.
The Nazz
16-02-2006, 14:45
I'm going to make you all groan. This is from a friend of mine-you all know the tune to Oh Mandy, don't pretend you don't...

Oh Caesar,
You came and you saw and you conquered...
But they stabbed you to death,
O-h Caesar....

You will find yourself singing that at some point and then curse my (lack) of a name. I wish I could say I'm sorry...
I hate you! You're not my real dad!

Sorry, I was channeling someone else there. Um, I'm going to turn this on my poetry classes right after I hit them with Amazing Grace sung to the theme from Gilligan's Island.
TEH SPOCK
16-02-2006, 14:48
Why do you pay attention to charts anyway? The less obscure music becomes, the cheaper it becomes. Thouroughly complex and intelligent music is just not enjoyed by the masses, people want to dance.
SimNewtonia II
16-02-2006, 16:05
I hate you! You're not my real dad!

Sorry, I was channeling someone else there. Um, I'm going to turn this on my poetry classes right after I hit them with Amazing Grace sung to the theme from Gilligan's Island.

I'm just trying to imagine that....
IDF
16-02-2006, 16:22
Modern Music sucks. I just listen to classic rock now.
The Nazz
16-02-2006, 16:39
I'm just trying to imagine that....
Sing it aloud. You'll never hear Amazing Grace any other way.
Kanabia
16-02-2006, 16:51
Modern Music sucks. I just listen to classic rock now.

That's rather defeatist. There's a good amount of very good bands out there. You may have to dig around a little, but they're definitely there.
TEH SPOCK
16-02-2006, 16:52
Modern Music sucks. I just listen to classic rock now.Classic Rock is very low weighted in classical music theory given the chord usages. Polyphony, rithmic diversity and complexity etc. I hate it when rockers demish all modern music as rubbish while really every musical critic knows that starting from rock & roll the intelligence/complexity of mainstream music went downwards. It's just plainly a fact that rock is less intelligent then Classical or Electronic avant-garde music.
Kanabia
16-02-2006, 16:55
Classic Rock is very low weighted in classical music theory given the chord usages. Polyphony, rithmic diversity and complexity etc. I hate it when rockers demish all modern music as rubbish while really every musical critic knows that starting from rock & roll the intelligence/complexity of mainstream music went downwards. It's just plainly a fact that rock is less intelligent then Classical or Electronic avant-garde music.

Rock never intended to be pretentious. It was supposed to be fun.
The Nazz
16-02-2006, 16:57
Rock never intended to be pretentious. It was supposed to be fun.
Well, Emerson Lake and Palmer were pretentious, along with just about everyone else in the Art Rock movement. And some decent stuff came out of it, but there was a lot more crap than good in my opinion.
Bodies Without Organs
16-02-2006, 16:57
I hate it when rockers demish all modern music as rubbish while really every musical critic knows that starting from rock & roll the intelligence/complexity of mainstream music went downwards. It's just plainly a fact that rock is less intelligent then Classical or Electronic avant-garde music.

Possibly, but Classical or Electronic avant-garde music were not the mainstream which rock replaced - instead one must look to the tradition of popular song, and there we see that certain elements of rock (such as its fondness for blues and pentatonic scales and the frequent use of accidentals and passing notes) are actually more musically complex than the diatonic scales around which most popular song of the 30s and 40s (excluding those influenced by jazz, obviously) were based.
TEH SPOCK
16-02-2006, 17:00
Kanabia: That's why I hate rock really. It's so balantly simple when it comes in terms of composing, instrument masterage and vocal techniques.

Bodies Without Organs: Jazz was a lot better than rock but still simple to me. Classical is where it begins to get nice, what I really like is polyrithmic music with about 11 different notelines in it. Unclassifiable emotions and thouroughly complex atmospheres. With or without beat but if it's a beat please make it somewhat intelligent.
Bodies Without Organs
16-02-2006, 17:03
Bodies Without Organs: Jazz was a lot better than rock but still simple to me. Classical is where it begins to get nice, what I really like is polyrithmic music with about 11 different notelines in it. Unclassiable emotions and thouroughly complex atmospheres. With or without beat but if it's a beat please make it somewhat intelligent.

Yeah, but you were drawing a false dichotomy between jazz/avant-garde/classical music and rock: they were not the backbone of popular song which rock effectively replaced, and it was that point which I was taking you to task upon.
TEH SPOCK
16-02-2006, 17:11
I wasn't saying that, Avant-garde electronics didn't even exist back then. That's something of the 1990's. I was saying that when rock & roll apeared, popular music was a lot less intelligent. And I say that Classical an Avant-garde Electonics where more intelligent but not in relation to the other.

But the more intelligent music is always more obscure(Obscure music isn't always intelligent). Wagner is more intelligent than Mozart, Oliver Prime is more intelligent than Jonas Steur. Vinterriket is more intelligent than Burzum, it happens in every genre.
Kanabia
16-02-2006, 17:18
Well, Emerson Lake and Palmer were pretentious, along with just about everyone else in the Art Rock movement. And some decent stuff came out of it, but there was a lot more crap than good in my opinion.

Well, yeah. It was never *supposed* to be pretentious. That doesn't mean people didn't try. :p

Kanabia: That's why I hate rock really. It's so balantly simple when it comes in terms of composing, instrument masterage and vocal techniques.

And that's why I like it. It's accessible and i'm not obliged to put on psuedo-intellecutal airs in order to enjoy it. ;)

Sorry, but give me the blues over Wagner any day. I'm not criticizing the technical proficiency of classical music, but it simply comes down to what I enjoy listening to more.
TEH SPOCK
16-02-2006, 17:20
Then I'm probably musically very much developed since I can't even enjoy music that is as low in intelligence as Mozart.
Aust
16-02-2006, 17:21
Yeah, well Kiser did win at the brits so it ain't all abd.
Kanabia
16-02-2006, 17:24
Then I'm probably musically very much developed since I can't even enjoy music that is as low in intelligence as Mozart.

Perhaps you're the one that's missing out, instead. That's a subjective opinion, though.
Letila
16-02-2006, 17:24
Music has been going to hell for decades. Ever since the rise of atonality, a figurative stroke, it's been declining terribly.
TEH SPOCK
16-02-2006, 17:25
What's wrong with atonal melodies? I know some atonal melodies that are far more complex than the tone centred Mozart things.
Letila
16-02-2006, 17:31
What's wrong with atonal melodies? I know some atonal melodies that are far more complex than the tone centred Mozart things.

Yes, but they just don't have the "soul" of Mozart. They're too mechanical and cold. Atonality lacks any real emotion, if you ask me. It just sounds like the musician is slamming keys randomly.
Ashmoria
16-02-2006, 17:51
Beats the hell out of me, but the title of the album is "The Greatest Songs of the Fifties," so I guess he's taking the Rod Stewart road to career revival.
hes been making the rounds of the talk shows. he does the worst rendition of "unchained melody" that ive ever heard from a professional. its not just "not as good as the righteous brothers" it actually sucks. the cd should be called "ruining the greatest songs of the fifties"
TEH SPOCK
16-02-2006, 17:52
Letila: I don't like Mozart for it's simplicity, you can only go a one way with a tonecentred melody. An atonal melody is unexpected and can be very complex. I know an industrial trance track which in it's climax features an atonal melody that changes chord every 8th of a 4/4 messure. I love that. And it certainly has a dark emotion and atmosphere around it.
GOLDDIRK
16-02-2006, 18:02
If you are going to KILL yourself over a fucking song or marketed tripe bands,....."then you better do so and decrease the surplus population." - E.Scrooge, a Christmas Carol-C.Dickens.


Rich
The Nazz
16-02-2006, 18:13
Well, yeah. It was never *supposed* to be pretentious. That doesn't mean people didn't try. :p



And that's why I like it. It's accessible and i'm not obliged to put on psuedo-intellecutal airs in order to enjoy it. ;)

Sorry, but give me the blues over Wagner any day. I'm not criticizing the technical proficiency of classical music, but it simply comes down to what I enjoy listening to more.I'm reminded of a quote from jazz saxophonist Branford Marsalis about some especially pretentious avant garde jazz artist who once said people should prepare for his concerts as much as he did. Marsalis said "That is the biggest piece of self-indulgent bullshit I've ever heard. You don't take grounders for an hour so you can appreciate a baseball game."
Cannot think of a name
16-02-2006, 18:13
I hate you! You're not my real dad!

Sorry, I was channeling someone else there. Um, I'm going to turn this on my poetry classes right after I hit them with Amazing Grace sung to the theme from Gilligan's Island.
You should also try Green Eggs and Ham to the tune of Black Sabbath's Iron Man...
Mensia
16-02-2006, 18:17
To quote one of the greatest philosophers of the twentieth century ;) :

(I can´t believe) " we live in a world where John Lennon gets shot, but Barry Manilow continues to put out fucking records"

I´m referring of course to the late Bill Hicks
TEH SPOCK
16-02-2006, 18:18
I'm reminded of a quote from jazz saxophonist Branford Marsalis about some especially pretentious avant garde jazz artist who once said people should prepare for his concerts as much as he did. Marsalis said "That is the biggest piece of self-indulgent bullshit I've ever heard. You don't take grounders for an hour so you can appreciate a baseball game."As much as I like all music to be so tought of as the stuff I listen(Oh the narcism.) I don't think everyone will like it(Oh the narcism.), people that like less intelligent music than me(Oh the narcism.) should also have something to listen to.(Oh the selflessness.)
Cannot think of a name
16-02-2006, 18:18
I'm reminded of a quote from jazz saxophonist Branford Marsalis about some especially pretentious avant garde jazz artist who once said people should prepare for his concerts as much as he did. Marsalis said "That is the biggest piece of self-indulgent bullshit I've ever heard. You don't take grounders for an hour so you can appreciate a baseball game."
I'll add to that another Jazz legend on the subject, Art Blakey conveyed to me by Terence Blanchard (did I just drop something?) He was talking about how the young guys in the Jazz Messengers would turn in these complex pieces and Blakey would get just through the begining and then stop the band, saying-
"Wait, stop stop. Look, anyone can write something no one can play. It takes talent to write something people want to hear."
Bodies Without Organs
16-02-2006, 18:23
I wasn't saying that, Avant-garde electronics didn't even exist back then. That's something of the 1990's.

Bollocks.

http://www.furious.com/perfect/ohm/

I was saying that when rock & roll apeared, popular music was a lot less intelligent.


Rock was no less intelligent than the popular song which it replaced: to think otherwise suggests that you are not familiar with what had previously been the big sellers in popular culture.
Cannot think of a name
16-02-2006, 18:34
Bollocks.

http://www.furious.com/perfect/ohm/




Rock was no less intelligent than the popular song which it replaced: to think otherwise suggests that you are not familiar with what had previously been the big sellers in popular culture.
Circle gets the square. Though to clarify the link because it doesn't state it outright, electronic music dates back to early radio days with engineers messing with the equipment, placing it several decades before the 90s, and the earlier stuff being far more detached from 'normal' tonalities.
Bodies Without Organs
16-02-2006, 18:36
Circle gets the square. Though to clarify the link because it doesn't state it outright, electronic music dates back to early radio days with engineers messing with the equipment, placing it several decades before the 90s, and the earlier stuff being far more detached from 'normal' tonalities.

Indeed: the output of the BBC Radiophonic Workshop is a clear example of this kind of thing (although they were hardly the first to produce such music).


EDIT: and if we are going to limit the discussion to purely popular music, then Tangerine Dream and Kraftwerk are clear examples of avant-garde electronic music that broke into the mainstream consciousness long before the 90s.
Potarius
16-02-2006, 18:37
"Wait, stop stop. Look, anyone can write something no one can play. It takes talent to write something people want to hear."

That's one of the most intelligent things I've heard all week.
Hawkish_Liberals
16-02-2006, 18:39
I don't see the problem with Barry Manilow having the number one album in the United States. The current Billboard 200 has him down to number 3 anyway.

I know people make fun of the guy, but his music's a damn sight better than some of the crap that's out there now.
Imperiux
16-02-2006, 18:41
james Blunt is proof that hell spat out the music world.
Monotone!
Monotone!
Monotone!
Monotone!
Monotone!
And boring!
TEH SPOCK
16-02-2006, 18:41
Bollocks.

http://www.furious.com/perfect/ohm/




Rock was no less intelligent than the popular song which it replaced: to think otherwise suggests that you are not familiar with what had previously been the big sellers in popular culture.

That's not avant-garde electronic music, that's just electronic music. I'm talking about Music like IDM or the later work of 'Ulver'. And I said Rock & Roll, not rock.
Megaloria
16-02-2006, 18:41
Anyone who thinks that music can be measured by degrees of intelligence is probably fooling himself.
TEH SPOCK
16-02-2006, 18:42
james Blunt is proof that hell spat out the music world.
Monotone!
Monotone!
Monotone!
Monotone!
Monotone!
And boring!I like monotone music that changes but very slowly like Ambient Noise, Black Metal or Progressive Trance.
Bodies Without Organs
16-02-2006, 18:43
That's not avant-garde electronic music, that's just electronic music. I'm talking about Music like IDM or the later work of 'Ulver'. And I said Rock & Roll, not rock.

And what, prey tell, are the distinguishing features between 'electronic music' of the likes which are on that CD set, and the kind you are discussing? Can't be atonality. Can't be polytonality. Can't be lack of time signatures. Can't be multiple and complex time signatures.
TEH SPOCK
16-02-2006, 18:44
Anyone who thinks that music can be measured by degrees of intelligence is probably fooling himself.Actually, It can be. Some music requires a greater intelligence from the composer to compose and a creater IQ from the listener to enjoy. Intelligence is related to musical taste and obscure genres score high. A lot of people say that it's bull that obscure music is better but you can't deny the statistics. Popular music is less intelligent than obscure music. In every genre.
TEH SPOCK
16-02-2006, 18:46
And what, prey tell, are the distinguishing features between 'electronic music' of the likes which are on that CD set, and the kind you are discussing? Can't be atonality. Can't be polytonality. Can't be lack of time signatures. Can't be multiple and complex time signatures.There you've got me. I admit my mistake. I thought it was electro müller.
Cannot think of a name
16-02-2006, 18:47
I like monotone music that changes but very slowly like Ambient Noise, Black Metal or Progressive Trance.
Geez, man-if you're going to be stuck up about these kinds of things at least know the players (not noticing the Avante Garde composers on the OHM CD...Cage, John freakin' Cage???) and at least you could include in this little list the work of the minimalists...
Bodies Without Organs
16-02-2006, 18:48
I thought it was electro müller.


?
TEH SPOCK
16-02-2006, 18:50
Bodies Without Organs: The cover looked like one of electro müller, I immediately clicked it away. I've heared electro müller, one of the pioneers in electronic music but horibly cheap.

Cannot think of a name: I fail to comprehend...
Letila
16-02-2006, 18:52
Actually, It can be. Some music requires a greater intelligence from the composer to compose and a creater IQ from the listener to enjoy. Intelligence is related to musical taste and obscure genres score high. A lot of people say that it's bull that obscure music is better but you can't deny the statistics. Popular music is less intelligent than obscure music. In every genre.

Right on! It's nice to hear some truth on this forum.
Potarius
16-02-2006, 18:53
Right on! It's nice to hear some truth on this forum.

Damn right.
Megaloria
16-02-2006, 18:54
Actually, It can be. Some music requires a greater intelligence from the composer to compose and a creater IQ from the listener to enjoy. Intelligence is related to musical taste and obscure genres score high. A lot of people say that it's bull that obscure music is better but you can't deny the statistics. Popular music is less intelligent than obscure music. In every genre.

But hey, if you listen to music for the intelligence and not how it makes you feel, then it's wasted on you.
Bodies Without Organs
16-02-2006, 18:55
Popular music is less intelligent than obscure music. In every genre.

So Beethoven's Third is less intelligent than his First, but more intelligent than his Ninth?
Cannot think of a name
16-02-2006, 18:56
Actually, It can be. Some music requires a greater intelligence from the composer to compose and a creater IQ from the listener to enjoy. Intelligence is related to musical taste and obscure genres score high. A lot of people say that it's bull that obscure music is better but you can't deny the statistics. Popular music is less intelligent than obscure music. In every genre.
No offense, dude, and I don't mean to get on your case or anything, but you're a lot of the reason I don't like going to concerts sometimes. You see, I listen to free jazz and contemporary composition, lots of experimental atonal stuff. I enjoy it, I understand it, etc. But the events are always filled with cats like you, straining thier arms to pat themselves on the back for being so clever to be listening to this music as if someone should give them a badge for being so sophisticated. It has all the sincerity of a brand new jersey of a team that just won the superbowl. You've hardly talked about the music itself, the nature of it, but rather how intellegent it is and by extention you are for listening to it-making it seem like putting on glasses to look smart.

If you're into the music, be into the music. Being into what the music implies about you makes you seem kind of like a poser.
Anarchic Conceptions
16-02-2006, 18:56
So Beethoven's Third is less intelligent than his First, but more intelligent than his Ninth?

But which is his most corrupting?
Bodies Without Organs
16-02-2006, 18:57
But which is his most corrupting?

Definitly the Third. It is but one single letter away from 'Erotica'.
Imperiux
16-02-2006, 18:59
I like monotone music that changes but very slowly like Ambient Noise, Black Metal or Progressive Trance.
Thats okay. But James blunt sings one constant note that occasionally gooses. It isn't music, It's brainwashing!
Bodies Without Organs
16-02-2006, 19:01
I like monotone music that changes but very slowly like Ambient Noise, Black Metal or Progressive Trance.

Sunn0)))?
Earth?


Damn, wish I was able to see them together on the same bill on the English tour that they're currently doing.
Pantygraigwen
16-02-2006, 19:05
I like monotone music that changes but very slowly like Ambient Noise, Black Metal or Progressive Trance.

See, you just lost any cool points in the discussion by mentioning the monstrousity that is progressive trance, sorry.
Szanth
16-02-2006, 19:06
No offense, dude, and I don't mean to get on your case or anything, but you're a lot of the reason I don't like going to concerts sometimes. You see, I listen to free jazz and contemporary composition, lots of experimental atonal stuff. I enjoy it, I understand it, etc. But the events are always filled with cats like you, straining thier arms to pat themselves on the back for being so clever to be listening to this music as if someone should give them a badge for being so sophisticated. It has all the sincerity of a brand new jersey of a team that just won the superbowl. You've hardly talked about the music itself, the nature of it, but rather how intellegent it is and by extention you are for listening to it-making it seem like putting on glasses to look smart.

If you're into the music, be into the music. Being into what the music implies about you makes you seem kind of like a poser.

I agree completely. Regardless of how intelligent it is, as long as the person is really singing from their "FUCKING HEART!" - [Bill Hicks] then it's commendable.

However - the person who does it in a better way is preferred to the person who sounds like shit and makes no sense, while still singing from his heart.
Letila
16-02-2006, 19:11
Definitly the Third. It is but one single letter away from 'Erotica'.

Indeed. I always misread "Eroica" as "Erotica".
TEH SPOCK
16-02-2006, 22:59
What's wrong with progressive trance? The right artists have some incredibly complex melodies and incredibly well engeneered atmospheres as well as profound methods of structuring there songs which go far deeper than just using drums or melody as preludial messures.

And I never said I listened to music because it was more intelligent, I'm well aware that some of the music I listen isn't that intelligent, I just said intelligent music is in general more obscure.
Imperiux
16-02-2006, 23:05
Go on girl, go on, go on, go on girl
I like it
Go on girl, go on, go on, go on girl
Oh yeah
Go on girl, go on, go on, go on girl
I like it
Go on girl, go on, go on, go on girl
Uno, Dos, Tres, Quatro
Itsy bitsy teenie weenie yellow polka-dot bikini
That she wore for the first time today (Oh yeah)
An itsy bitsy teenie weenie yellow polka-dot bikini
So in the locker she wanted to stay

She was afraid to come out of the locker
She was as nervous as she could be
She was afraid to come out of the locker
She was afraid that somebody would see
(Two, three, four, tell the people what she wore)

It was an itsy bitsy teenie weenie yellow polka-dot bikini
That she wore for the first time today (Oh yeah)
An itsy bitsy teenie weenie yellow polka-dot bikini
So in the locker she wanted to stay
(Two, three, four, stick around we'll tell you more)

She was afraid to come out in the open
And so a blanket around her she wore
She was afraid to come out in the open
And so she sat bundled up on the shore
(Two, three, four, tell the people what she wore)

It was an itsy bitsy teenie weenie yellow polka-dot bikini
That she wore for the first time today (Oh yeah)
An itsy bitsy teenie weenie yellow polka-dot bikini
So in the blanket she wanted to stay

We gonna have big fun tonight ha ha ha
Uno, Dos, Tres, Quatro
Go on girl, go on, go on, go on girl
Oh yeah
Go on girl, go on, go on, go on girl
I like it
Go on girl, go on, go on, go on girl
Oh yeah
Go on girl, go on, go on, go on girl
Itsy bitsy teenie weenie yellow polka-dot bikini
That she wore for the first time today (Oh yeah)
An itsy bitsy teenie weenie yellow polka-dot bikini
So in the locker she wanted to stay

Now she's afraid to come out of the water
And I wonder what she's gonna do
Now she's afraid to come out of the water
And the poor little girl's turnin' blue
(Two, three, four, tell the people what she wore)

It was an itsy bitsy teenie weenie yellow polka-dot bikini
That she wore for the first time today (Oh yeah)
An itsy bitsy teenie weenie yellow polka-dot bikini
So in the water she wanted to stay

Itsy bitsy teenie weenie yellow polka-dot bikini
That she wore for the first time today (Oh yeah)
An itsy bitsy teenie weenie yellow polka-dot bikini
So in the water she wanted to stay
Itsy bitsy teenie weenie yellow polka-dot bikini
That she wore for the first time today (Oh yeah)
An itsy bitsy teenie weenie yellow polka-dot bikini
So in the water she wanted to stay

And now I've just corrupted your minds. NYAH!:p!
Imperiux
16-02-2006, 23:43
Yeah i, i got to know your name
Well and i, could trace your private number baby
All i know is that to me
You look like you're lots of fun
Open up your lovin' arms
I want some

Well i...i set my sights on you
(and no one else will do)
And i, i've got to have my way now, baby
(and no one else will do)
And i, i've got to have my way now, baby
All i know is that to me
You look like you're havin' fun
Open up your lovin' arms
Watch out, here i come

*you spin me right round, baby

Right round like a record, baby
Right round round round
You spin me right round, baby
Right round like a record, baby
Right round round round

I, i got be your friend now, baby
And i would like to move in
Just a little bit closer
(little bit closer)

**all i know is that to me
You look like you're lots of fun
Open up your lovin' arms
Watch out, here i come

(*repeat)

I want your love
I want your love
(**repeat)

(*repeat and fade with ad lib)

The birdy song! (http://www.bofunk.com/video/191/chicken_dance.html)