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The Pentagon has developed a comprehensive strategy for taking over the internet and controlling the free flow of information. The plan appears in a recently declassified document, “The Information Operations Roadmap,” which was provided under the FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) and revealed in an article by the BBC.

The Pentagon sees the internet in terms of a military adversary that poses a vital threat to its stated mission of global domination. This explains the confrontational language in the document, which speaks of “fighting the net,” implying that the internet is the equivalent of “an enemy weapons system.”

The Defense Department places a high value on controlling information. The new program illustrates their determination to establish the parameters of free speech.


The Pentagon sees information as essential in manipulating public perceptions and, thus, a crucial tool in eliciting support for unpopular policies. The recent revelations of the military placing propaganda in the foreign press demonstrate the importance that is given to co-opting public opinion.


Information warfare is used to create an impenetrable cloud around the activities of government so that decisions can be made without dissent. The smokescreen of deception that encompasses the Bush administration has less to do with prevaricating politicians than it does with a clearly articulated policy of obfuscation. “The Information Operations Roadmap” is solely intended to undermine the principle of an informed citizenry.


The Pentagon’s focus on the internet tells us a great deal about the mainstream media and its connection to the political establishment.


Why, for example, would the Pentagon see the internet as a greater threat than the mainstream media, where an estimated 75% of Americans get their news?


The reason is clear: because the MSM is already a fully integrated part of the corporate system providing a 24-hour a day streaming of business-friendly news. Today’s MSM operates as a de facto franchise of the Pentagon, a reliable and sophisticated propagandist for Washington’s wars of aggression and political subterfuge.


The internet, on the other hand, is the last bastion of American democracy, a virtual world where reliable information moves instantly from person to person without passing through the corporate filter. Online visitors can get a clear picture of their governments’ depredations with a click of the mouse. This is the liberalization of the news, an open source of mind-expanding information that elevates citizen awareness of complex issues and threatens the status quo.


The Pentagon program is just one facet of a broader culture of deception; a pervasive ethos of dishonesty that envelopes all aspects of the Bush White House. The “Strategic Intelligence” Department is a division of the Defense establishment that is entirely devoted to concealing, distorting, omitting and manipulating the truth.


In what way is “strategic intelligence” different from plain intelligence?


It is information that is shaped in a way that meets the needs of a particular group. In other words, it is not the truth at all, but a fabrication, a fiction, a lie.


Strategic intelligence is an oxymoron, a tidy bit of Orwellian doublespeak that reflects the deeply rooted cynicism of its authors.


The internet is a logical target for the Pentagon’s electronic warfare. Already the Downing Street memos, Bush’s bombing threats against Al Jazeera, the fraudulent 2004 elections, and the leveling of Falluja, have disrupted the smooth execution of Bush’s wars. It is understandable that Rumsfeld and Co. would seek to transform this potential enemy into an ally, much as it has done with the MSM.


The Pentagon’s plans for engaging in “virtual warfare” are impressive. As BBC notes: “The operations described in the document include a surprising range of military activities: public affairs officers who brief journalists, psychological operations troops who try to manipulate the thoughts and beliefs of an enemy, computer network attack specialists who seek to destroy enemy networks.”


The enemy, of course, is you, dear reader, or anyone who refuses to accept their role as a witless cog in New World Order. Seizing the internet is a prudent way of controlling every piece of information that one experiences from cradle to grave; all necessary for an orderly police state.


The Information Operations Roadmap (IOR) recommends that psychological operations (Psyops) “should consider a range of technologies to disseminate propaganda in enemy territory: unmanned aerial vehicles, ‘miniaturized, scatterable public address systems,’ wireless devices, cellular phones and the internet.” No idea is too costly or too far-fetched that it escapes the serious consideration of the Pentagon chieftains.


The War Dept. is planning to insert itself into every area of the internet from blogs to chat rooms, from leftist web sites to editorial commentary. The objective is to challenge any tidbit of information that appears on the web that may counter the official narrative: the fairytale of benign American intervention to promote democracy and human rights across the planet.


The IOR aspires to “provide maximum control of the entire electromagnetic spectrum” and develop the capability to “disrupt or destroy the full spectrum of globally emerging communications systems, sensors, and weapons systems dependent on the electromagnetic spectrum.” (BBC)


Full spectrum dominance.


The ultimate goal of the Pentagon is to create an internet paradigm that corresponds to the corporate mainstream model, devoid of imagination or divergent points of view. They envision an internet that is increasingly restricted by the gluttonous influence of industry and its vast “tapestry of lies.”


The internet is the modern day marketplace of ideas, an invaluable resource for human curiosity and organized resistance. It provides a direct link between the explosive power of ideas and engaged citizen involvement. (a.k.a. participatory democracy)


The Pentagon is laying the groundwork for privatizing the internet so the information-revolution can be transformed into an information tyranny, extending to all areas of communications and serving the exclusive interests of a few well-heeled American plutocrats.


* Note: The Associated Press reported on 2-13-06, “The government concluded its ‘Cyber Storm’ wargame Friday, its biggest-ever exercise to test how it would respond to devastating attacks over the Internet from anti-globalization activists, underground hackers and bloggers.


“Bloggers?


“Participants confirmed parts of the worldwide simulation challenged government officials and industry executives to respond to deliberate misinformation campaigns and activist calls by Internet bloggers, online diarists whose ‘Web logs’ include political rantings and musings about current events.”


“Misinformation campaigns”? “Political rantings”? “Musings about current events”?


The administration’s resolve to foreclose on free speech has never been stronger and continues apace.




DISCUSS!!!!

The Pentagon has developed a comprehensive strategy for taking over the internet and controlling the free flow of information. The plan appears in a recently declassified document, “The Information Operations Roadmap,” which was provided under the FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) and revealed in an article by the BBC.

The Pentagon sees the internet in terms of a military adversary that poses a vital threat to its stated mission of global domination. This explains the confrontational language in the document, which speaks of “fighting the net,” implying that the internet is the equivalent of “an enemy weapons system.”

The Defense Department places a high value on controlling information. The new program illustrates their determination to establish the parameters of free speech.


The Pentagon sees information as essential in manipulating public perceptions and, thus, a crucial tool in eliciting support for unpopular policies. The recent revelations of the military placing propaganda in the foreign press demonstrate the importance that is given to co-opting public opinion.


Information warfare is used to create an impenetrable cloud around the activities of government so that decisions can be made without dissent. The smokescreen of deception that encompasses the Bush administration has less to do with prevaricating politicians than it does with a clearly articulated policy of obfuscation. “The Information Operations Roadmap” is solely intended to undermine the principle of an informed citizenry.


The Pentagon’s focus on the internet tells us a great deal about the mainstream media and its connection to the political establishment.


Why, for example, would the Pentagon see the internet as a greater threat than the mainstream media, where an estimated 75% of Americans get their news?


The reason is clear: because the MSM is already a fully integrated part of the corporate system providing a 24-hour a day streaming of business-friendly news. Today’s MSM operates as a de facto franchise of the Pentagon, a reliable and sophisticated propagandist for Washington’s wars of aggression and political subterfuge.


The internet, on the other hand, is the last bastion of American democracy, a virtual world where reliable information moves instantly from person to person without passing through the corporate filter. Online visitors can get a clear picture of their governments’ depredations with a click of the mouse. This is the liberalization of the news, an open source of mind-expanding information that elevates citizen awareness of complex issues and threatens the status quo.


The Pentagon program is just one facet of a broader culture of deception; a pervasive ethos of dishonesty that envelopes all aspects of the Bush White House. The “Strategic Intelligence” Department is a division of the Defense establishment that is entirely devoted to concealing, distorting, omitting and manipulating the truth.


In what way is “strategic intelligence” different from plain intelligence?


It is information that is shaped in a way that meets the needs of a particular group. In other words, it is not the truth at all, but a fabrication, a fiction, a lie.


Strategic intelligence is an oxymoron, a tidy bit of Orwellian doublespeak that reflects the deeply rooted cynicism of its authors.


The internet is a logical target for the Pentagon’s electronic warfare. Already the Downing Street memos, Bush’s bombing threats against Al Jazeera, the fraudulent 2004 elections, and the leveling of Falluja, have disrupted the smooth execution of Bush’s wars. It is understandable that Rumsfeld and Co. would seek to transform this potential enemy into an ally, much as it has done with the MSM.


The Pentagon’s plans for engaging in “virtual warfare” are impressive. As BBC notes: “The operations described in the document include a surprising range of military activities: public affairs officers who brief journalists, psychological operations troops who try to manipulate the thoughts and beliefs of an enemy, computer network attack specialists who seek to destroy enemy networks.”


The enemy, of course, is you, dear reader, or anyone who refuses to accept their role as a witless cog in New World Order. Seizing the internet is a prudent way of controlling every piece of information that one experiences from cradle to grave; all necessary for an orderly police state.


The Information Operations Roadmap (IOR) recommends that psychological operations (Psyops) “should consider a range of technologies to disseminate propaganda in enemy territory: unmanned aerial vehicles, ‘miniaturized, scatterable public address systems,’ wireless devices, cellular phones and the internet.” No idea is too costly or too far-fetched that it escapes the serious consideration of the Pentagon chieftains.


The War Dept. is planning to insert itself into every area of the internet from blogs to chat rooms, from leftist web sites to editorial commentary. The objective is to challenge any tidbit of information that appears on the web that may counter the official narrative: the fairytale of benign American intervention to promote democracy and human rights across the planet.


The IOR aspires to “provide maximum control of the entire electromagnetic spectrum” and develop the capability to “disrupt or destroy the full spectrum of globally emerging communications systems, sensors, and weapons systems dependent on the electromagnetic spectrum.” (BBC)


Full spectrum dominance.


The ultimate goal of the Pentagon is to create an internet paradigm that corresponds to the corporate mainstream model, devoid of imagination or divergent points of view. They envision an internet that is increasingly restricted by the gluttonous influence of industry and its vast “tapestry of lies.”


The internet is the modern day marketplace of ideas, an invaluable resource for human curiosity and organized resistance. It provides a direct link between the explosive power of ideas and engaged citizen involvement. (a.k.a. participatory democracy)


The Pentagon is laying the groundwork for privatizing the internet so the information-revolution can be transformed into an information tyranny, extending to all areas of communications and serving the exclusive interests of a few well-heeled American plutocrats.


* Note: The Associated Press reported on 2-13-06, “The government concluded its ‘Cyber Storm’ wargame Friday, its biggest-ever exercise to test how it would respond to devastating attacks over the Internet from anti-globalization activists, underground hackers and bloggers.


“Bloggers?


“Participants confirmed parts of the worldwide simulation challenged government officials and industry executives to respond to deliberate misinformation campaigns and activist calls by Internet bloggers, online diarists whose ‘Web logs’ include political rantings and musings about current events.”


“Misinformation campaigns”? “Political rantings”? “Musings about current events”?


The administration’s resolve to foreclose on free speech has never been stronger and continues apace.




DISCUSS!!!!


tldr

Internets is serious business so I wouldn't blame the pentagon anyway.

You do realize that were it not for the Pentagon and DARPANET the "internet" as we know it would not exist...

OMGWTF CONSPIRACY

Somehow the Jews are behind this, I just know it.:rolleyes:

The Pentagon has developed a comprehensive strategy for taking over the internet and controlling the free flow of information. The plan appears in a recently declassified document, “The Information Operations Roadmap,” which was provided under the FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) and revealed in an article by the BBC.

The administration’s resolve to foreclose on free speech has never been stronger and continues apace.

DISCUSS!!!!
"DISCUSS" it yourself, you cut-and-paste genius.

The fact that it was available under the Freedom Of Information Act tells us two things:

1. That it is no longer classified and is thus no longer an active plan.

2. That freedom of information is alive and well, otherwise the damned document would never have been available. DUH!

I'm wearing tin foil. But not on my head. :)

The internet is too massive to even try and control, thinking otherwise is foolish.

I hear there's....rumors...on the internets.
*looks left and right*
(>' ')> <(' '<)

BTW, source plz? Otherwise how won't I know you didn't spout this from the top of your head? kthxbi

You do realize that were it not for the Pentagon and DARPANET the "internet" as we know it would not exist...

Why? the Pentagon didn't invent the internet.

Why? the Pentagon didn't invent the internet.
Of course, that was Al Gore

The internet is too massive to even try and control, thinking otherwise is foolish.

I'd beg to differ...China controls its internet.

The internet is too massive to even try and control, thinking otherwise is foolish.

Yes, that's what we wanted you to think.
*presses a button and every sign in the world that says Russia flips over and now says The Soviet Union instead

МОТЧЕР РУССИА!!!!!!

I'd beg to differ...China controls its internet.
And my employer does too. I can't access any site from my working place.
A little bit of ssh and port forwarding and bingo I can go anywhere. Took me 2 minutes to crack and I'm not a power user. Seriously look at how the RIAA is successful at controlling download of copyrighted material...

Why? the Pentagon didn't invent the internet.They most certainly did.

Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration (DARPA) Net
http://www.ideasociety.co.uk/darpa.htm
The first version of an IP based network was funded by the US Department of Defence in 1969 (i.e. Pentagon) as a means of communicating with defence contractors and universities doing military research. Robustness was provided over the imperfect network by packet switching technology, developed by another DoD engineer Paul Baran, as a means of ensuring failure resistant communications.

Some more links:

http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,289893,sid9_gci213878,00.html
DARPANET

DARPANET (or DARPANet) is a term sometimes used for the ARPANET, the early network from which today's Internet evolved. The Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA), the original developers of the early packet-switched network that came to be called the ARPANET, was renamed the (U.S.) Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) in 1971. For this reason, it is often assumed that the ARPANET was then called the DARPANET. However, the Internet Society's own history of the Internet, written by its chief inventors, suggests that it continued to be called ARPANET until ownership was transferred to other groups. See ARPANET for more information.

http://www.jknust.com/knuweb/help.htm
The ancestor of the Internet was the ARPANET (later becoming DARPANET)...
Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration
DARPANET was a project funded by the DOD as early as 1969! The purpose of DARPANET was to experiment in reliable networking and to link the DOD and military research contractors. Some of these contractors even included universities doing military funded research. DARPANET started as a very small network with only few computers in California and Utah... but it quickly grew.
The DARPANET was very successful, and almost every univesity in the country wanted to sign up. By about 1980 university computing was moving from large mainframe computers to smaller desktop workstations. So rather than having only a few mainframes hooked to the DARPANET, there became hundreds of workstations at each site and the DARPANET began to bog down. So the DARPANET split in two, the counterpart became MILNET which hosted the military sites. The two networks were still connected, however, through a design called IP
Internet Protocol

The next major event was the setup of five supercomputers by the NSF
National Science Foundation
The NSF setup its own network with the purpose of doing all of the computing for others on its supercomputers. This was a much faster network called NSFNET and it was very successful. In fact, by 1990, so much business had moved from the DARPANET to the NFSNET that, even after almost 20 years of successful use, the DARPANET was shutdown. The NSFNET had several problems with its supercomputers, but by the time they were being phased out, the NSFNET had become so entrenched in its smaller networks that it lived without it's original supercomputers.

The next major growth in the Internet was in 1994. By this time several commercial networks had grown up within the Internet. Some of these were run by large, familiar organizations such as IBM, Sprint, Alternet, and PSI. The NSFNET only allowed traffic relating to research and education. Now the NSFNET has wound down with its traffic taken over by these commercial networks. And here we are today!

wait ARPANET is not the internet. In my country, France Telecom claims to have invented the internet too with the minitel, which they claim is the ancestor of the internet too.
The internet is a collections of nets. The nets are from everywhere. A lot of ancient nets are part of it.

OMGWTF CONSPIRACY

Somehow the Jews are behind this, I just know it.:rolleyes:
and the Bolsheviks
adn the gays
and the gypsies

Yes, but you're French. They lie. Trust us.

:D

wait ARPANET is not the internet. In my country, France Telecom claims to have invented the internet too with the minitel, which they claim is the ancestor of the internet too.
The internet is a collections of nets. The nets are from everywhere. A lot of ancient nets are part of it.
Yes, Now. Read the posts. Without ARPANET and the idea of IP/Packet switching we would likely not be having this little chat.

The money for the development of TCP/IP as a concept came from the Pentagon and resulted in ARPANET, which was eventually supplanted after the university IT departments essentially took over.

and the Bolsheviks
adn the gays
and the gypsies

Now I understand, the Bolshevics are gay jewish gypsies that control all electronic devices, and three non-electronic devices, one of which is rumoured to be George Bush. But which one??????
dun dun dun

You do realize that were it not for the Pentagon and DARPANET the "internet" as we know it would not exist...

I might add that a great deal of US business relies on the correct operation of the Internet.

If it were to go down, say, if the backbone were attacked, it would cause terrific economic damage - probably more economic damage than something like Hurricane Katrina.

So it's a viable target for an enemy to attack - and a viable asset for the Pentagon to defend against attack.

Or do you think the US should be stupid like they were at Pearl Harbor and 9-11?

Yes, Now. Read the posts. Without ARPANET and the idea of IP/Packet switching we would likely not be having this little chat.

The money for the development of TCP/IP as a concept came from the Pentagon and resulted in ARPANET, which was eventually supplanted after the university IT departments essentially took over.
I accept IP as the backbone of the internet, but not TCP. What about UDP?
And the IP is a protoco developed throw RFCs. The concept is the OSI model, which is not ARPANET.

I accept IP as the backbone of the internet, but not TCP. What about UDP?
And the IP is a protoco developed throw RFCs. The concept is the OSI model, which is not ARPANET.

ARPANET was the origin of the Internet.

If there wasn't ARPANET, we would be using something stupid like Minitel.

I might add that a great deal of US business relies on the correct operation of the Internet.

If it were to go down, say, if the backbone were attacked, it would cause terrific economic damage - probably more economic damage than something like Hurricane Katrina.

So it's a viable target for an enemy to attack - and a viable asset for the Pentagon to defend against attack.

Or do you think the US should be stupid like they were at Pearl Harbor and 9-11?
There is no backbone. The internet is a communication protocol.

ARPANET was the origin of the Internet.

If there wasn't ARPANET, we would be using something stupid like Minitel.
The minitel uses TRANSPAC network and is still in use today and part of the internet.

There is no backbone. The internet is a communication protocol.

Au contraire.

There is most definitely a backbone in the US. Each country or region has backbone over which traffic travels.

Bring down the backbone, and the Internet goes out in that country.

Sure, bring it down in the US, and Europe's only problem is sending email to US companies and doing business with SOA enabled companies.

SOA and similar methods of interaction between servers is fast becoming the rule - businesses around the world need to talk to each other over the Internet.

Bring major sections down, and sure, the whole Net doesn't go down - but that's like saying that bombing the industrial targets in a city doesn't kill everyone.

If you don't have a problem with major sectors of the economy being stomped to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars a day, then you're OK with major sections of the Internet going down.

As an example, a lot of foreign currency exchange and stock trade takes place through automated systems that talk over the Net.

Wall Street trades over 1 trillion dollars a day. Other major markets in the EU also trade huge volumes. A substantial portion is international.

We're interconnected, whether you like it or not. Maybe you don't like it, and would rather the world return to sending riders on horseback.

The minitel uses TRANSPAC network and is still in use today and part of the internet.
For the longest time it was not part of the Internet, nor did it share its protocols.

You can access the internet throw cable, air, or by shouting 1s and 0s at your window. Cutting one or 1000 cables won't bring the internet down.

You're *all* wrong! Al Gore invented the internets, which there have been rumors on recently. :D

You can access the internet throw cable, air, or by shouting 1s and 0s at your window. Cutting one or 1000 cables won't bring the internet down.

Sorry. You can't bring down ALL of the Internet. But you can definitely bring down the Internet across the US simply by cutting one of Qwest's fiber optic backbones.

http://www.cybergeography.org/atlas/more_isp_maps.html

Attack certain regions in the US, and you cut off all traffic. Sure, packets route around SOME blockages - but the design of the backbones makes it possible to cut off major sections if you know where to attack.

As long as we can still use the internet to look at free porn, I have no complaints.

Sorry. You can't bring down ALL of the Internet. But you can definitely bring down the Internet across the US simply by cutting one of Qwest's fiber optic backbones.

http://www.cybergeography.org/atlas/more_isp_maps.html

Attack certain regions in the US, and you cut off all traffic. Sure, packets route around SOME blockages - but the design of the backbones makes it possible to cut off major sections if you know where to attack.
Quest is only one provider. You can still use satellite even if they bring down every single cable. If they bring down satellites, you can always shout 1s and 0s at your neightbors or write them down on paper. If he replies, you are still connected to the internet (very slow I must admit)

Quest is only one provider. You can still use satellite even if they bring down every single cable. If they bring down satellites, you can always shout 1s and 0s at your neightbors or write them down on paper. If he replies, you are still connected to the internet (very slow I must admit)

Satellites do not cover enough areas to overcome the backbone problem.

And Qwest runs most of the backbone in the US - MCI is the only other nationwide backbone provider, and Qwest outstrips them by far.

Satellites do not cover enough areas to overcome the backbone problem.
Satellites cover everywhere. There are satellite ISP available for those who need internet in the desert. And they are not the only options. Wimax is another one.

Satellites cover everywhere. There are satellite ISP available for those who need internet in the desert. And they are not the only options. Wimax is another one.
Satellite ISPs eventually ground to a backbone - sorry.

I was there when they set up satellite Internet access through Black Island at McMurdo - you'll have to do better than that.

Satellite ISPs eventually ground to a backbone - sorry.

I was there when they set up satellite Internet access through Black Island at McMurdo - you'll have to do better than that.
What do you mean by that? Satelitte ISPs provide internet via satelitte. Yes their servers are on the ground and connected to cables, but the servers can be in Norway or in Japan or in Chile.
What about wimax?

You do realize that were it not for the Pentagon and DARPANET the "internet" as we know it would not exist...

I don't understand the point of this post...
What does the creation of the Internet have to do with trying to control it? Just because they helped create it doesn't mean they don't want to try to control it now...

yay... i think?? :confused:

The Pentagon sees the internet in terms of a military adversary that poses a vital threat to its stated mission of global domination.
I would LOVE to see the source for this little snippet. :p

All I can say is, Psylos, you are either seriously ill-educated or deluded.

As late as 1986 the "internet" in the US - which has always been better wired than the rest of the globe until relatively recently, existed only as connections between TLD dot govs and dot edus with a sprinkling of dot coms such as Compuserve. In fact, Compuserve in 1986 was running on Alpha Micro minis. I worked with a small competitor called "Micro Link out of Norman Oklalahome that was running the same equipment.

At about the same time, the Bell was arguing that all Modems be treated as Business Equipment, like Faxes, and therefore require dedicated, and more expensive, lines.

There was a lawsuit involving the FCC, the Bell system and a few dialup providers. The Bell lost, and Deregulation was not long in coming.

My part in all of this was that I ran a BBS out of a Zenith Z181 Laptop Computer with no fixed phone line (it was a "spy" themed bbe made from a hackecd copy of the Turbo Pascal *Pyroto Mountian* BBS software).

As a witness I was able to prove that Modems were inherently mobile and that the ATT pricing scheme was unfair and unregulatable.

The point of all this is - you really don't know jack about how the Internet was created - politically - and you should keep your absurd minitel assertions to yourself.

Funny, I learned about DARPANET years ago.

OMG CONSPIRACY!!!!!! THEY WENT IN TIME MACHINES TO LIE ABOUT HOW THE INTERNET GOT STARTED!!!!

Funny, I learned about DARPANET years ago.

OMG CONSPIRACY!!!!!! THEY WENT IN TIME MACHINES TO LIE ABOUT HOW THE INTERNET GOT STARTED!!!!

haha you should have heard all the screaming in the military about the civilian conspiracy when they decided to turn our semi private library card to the university of minnesota over to the public. I actually read, "War and Peace" thanks to ARPANET.

All I can say is, Psylos, you are either seriously ill-educated or deluded.

As late as 1986 the "internet" in the US - which has always been better wired than the rest of the globe until relatively recently, existed only as connections between TLD dot govs and dot edus with a sprinkling of dot coms such as Compuserve. In fact, Compuserve in 1986 was running on Alpha Micro minis. I worked with a small competitor called "Micro Link out of Norman Oklalahome that was running the same equipment.

At about the same time, the Bell was arguing that all Modems be treated as Business Equipment, like Faxes, and therefore require dedicated, and more expensive, lines.

There was a lawsuit involving the FCC, the Bell system and a few dialup providers. The Bell lost, and Deregulation was not long in coming.

My part in all of this was that I ran a BBS out of a Zenith Z181 Laptop Computer with no fixed phone line (it was a "spy" themed bbe made from a hackecd copy of the Turbo Pascal *Pyroto Mountian* BBS software).

As a witness I was able to prove that Modems were inherently mobile and that the ATT pricing scheme was unfair and unregulatable.

The point of all this is - you really don't know jack about how the Internet was created - politically - and you should keep your absurd minitel assertions to yourself.This is the history of the internet in the US. The history of the internet is different in other countries.

This is the history of the internet in the US. The history of the internet is different in other countries.
Perhaps you would care to enlighten us? With dates? And show how it wasn't related to ARPANET?

The internet is equally represented by a neutral country. Although I'm more worried by this, than anything chinas doing on the web.

Perhaps you would care to enlighten us? With dates? And show how it wasn't related to ARPANET?
What are you talking about? A lot of things on earth are not related to ARPANET.

What are you talking about? A lot of things on earth are not related to ARPANET.
Then explain the genisis of these "other networks". Please show how they were created either before ARPANET or did not have knowledge of, or take their structural cues from ARPANET.

This is the history of the internet in the US. The history of the internet is different in other countries.

No Psylos the history of the internet is not different in the US that it is in other countries. It is just that your country chose to tell you that it was invented when they were allowed to hook into it.
It is ok to admit when you have been misled, but you make yourself look bad when you continue to argue an indefensable position. Don't feel badly that your government lied to you. That's what governments do. We even have a former vice president who's so wacked out he tried telling americans that he had something to do with inventing the internet.

There is no backbone. The internet is a communication protocol.

Whoa! This is wrong. Care to try again?

Satellites cover everywhere. There are satellite ISP available for those who need internet in the desert. And they are not the only options. Wimax is another one.

Satellites do cover everywhere.

Satellite communications does not. Lockheed once had a project to design a string of satellites that would allow you to contact anybody in the world from anywhere. It was cost prohibative and the satellites were allowed to burn up.....

haha you should have heard all the screaming in the military about the civilian conspiracy when they decided to turn our semi private library card to the university of minnesota over to the public. I actually read, "War and Peace" thanks to ARPANET.

You liberal intellectual! :p

Wowwww you are dating yourself. ;)

And yet here we all sit typing away... :p

No Psylos the history of the internet is not different in the US that it is in other countries. It is just that your country chose to tell you that it was invented when they were allowed to hook into it.
It is ok to admit when you have been misled, but you make yourself look bad when you continue to argue an indefensable position. Don't feel badly that your government lied to you. That's what governments do. We even have a former vice president who's so wacked out he tried telling americans that he had something to do with inventing the internet.

Now I am creeped out.

I agree with you! :p

No Psylos the history of the internet is not different in the US that it is in other countries. It is just that your country chose to tell you that it was invented when they were allowed to hook into it.
It is ok to admit when you have been misled, but you make yourself look bad when you continue to argue an indefensable position. Don't feel badly that your government lied to you. That's what governments do. We even have a former vice president who's so wacked out he tried telling americans that he had something to do with inventing the internet.
Heh. How old was Algore in 1969? Oh yeah, he graduated from HS in '65, did Harvard until '69 and was in 'nam from '69 to '71.

Maybe he built ARPANET between his Dorm Room & Firebase Hut - before becoming a reporter in '71. :rolleyes:

You liberal intellectual! :p

Wowwww you are dating yourself. ;)

Ha! Now only you and the political compass have ever called me that!

Yep I am, but to tell you the truth, the advanced knowledge of ARPANET and what was to come with the Internet made a whole bunch of military dudes a boat load of money. People blamed Bill Clinton for gutting the military (which he did in a big way) but they never mention the fact that people were getting out in record numbers before he was elected simply because they knew there was going to be a boom before anyone else did.

Now I am creeped out.

I agree with you! :p

We probably agree on much more than you might think, or I would care to admit.

Methinks yet another thread has died from too much evidence.

Sorry Psylos. You ARE the Weakest Link. Goodbye.