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So Bush can appoint Condi as Veep. :eek:

I want to see the Media's collective Head explode over how to dis a Black Woman. :cool:

I want to see NOW and the NAACP implode over their inconsistancies. ;)

I want to see a Cat Fight in '08. :D

And when the smoke clears, maybe we'll get a Libertarian in office :p

Bush could appoint Condi as the Lord High Jehovah and she still wouldn't get the Republican nomination in 2008. The people who would be most drawn to her due to her sex and ethnicity don't generally vote in the Republican primaries.

Besides, as a Democrat, I want Cheney to be as large a millstone as possible around Republican necks going into the midterms. Tom DeLay too. Keep them both around, please.

Cheney can't resign yet! He hasn't designed and implemented Skynet yet...

Bush could appoint Condi as the Lord High Jehovah and she still wouldn't get the Republican nomination in 2008. The people who would be most drawn to her due to her sex and ethnicity don't generally vote in the Republican primaries.

Besides, as a Democrat, I want Cheney to be as large a millstone as possible around Republican necks going into the midterms. Tom DeLay too. Keep them both around, please.

I disagree... Condi in republican circles is largely popular and hailed as a party accomplishment the Democrats were unable to enact (most powerful minority woman in the country). Giving her the nomination would assure republican control of the executive, general continuance of current policies and yet ANOTHER slap in the face to democrats who are suppose to represent underprivilaged minorities and women.

I disagree... Condi in republican circles is largely popular and hailed as a party accomplishment the Democrats were unable to enact (most powerful minority woman in the country). Giving her the nomination would assure republican control of the executive, general continuance of current policies and yet ANOTHER slap in the face to democrats who are suppose to represent underprivilaged minorities and women.
:D

http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/Cartoons/02-13-2006.gif

I disagree... Condi in republican circles is largely popular and hailed as a party accomplishment the Democrats were unable to enact (most powerful minority woman in the country). Giving her the nomination would assure republican control of the executive, general continuance of current policies and yet ANOTHER slap in the face to democrats who are suppose to represent underprivilaged minorities and women.Look--I'm not denigrating anything Condi Rice has done. If anything, her ability to stay clear of scandal has made her the shining light of this administration.

But if you honestly think Republican primary voters are going to choose an African-American woman over practically anyone else, you're deluding yourself. And while the Republican party is not racist as a whole, racists make up their margin of victory in the southern states, plain and simple, and racists won't vote for Condi Rice. They'll stay home instead, or vote Constitution party or Natural Law Party or something else, and the Republicans don't win the Presidency without the south.

Cheney can't resign yet! He hasn't designed and implemented Skynet yet...
No group of government programmers, or government contractors working as programmers, could ever complete something like Skynet.

Hell, they can't even complete applications that were slated to go into service before 1990...

simple CRUD systems....

Don't make me laugh.

Hell, I wish President Smirk and his whole administration would resign.

condi vs hillary:D

condi is way better then hillary.
a much better public image
and would be nice to have a semi attractive president:D

the other option is this (http://www.washingtonblade.com/2005/3-25/news/national/Hillary-Clinton.jpg)

looks kind of like a man

i still think she has a deep secret

Look--I'm not denigrating anything Condi Rice has done. If anything, her ability to stay clear of scandal has made her the shining light of this administration.

But if you honestly think Republican primary voters are going to choose an African-American woman over practically anyone else, you're deluding yourself. And while the Republican party is not racist as a whole, racists make up their margin of victory in the southern states, plain and simple, and racists won't vote for Condi Rice. They'll stay home instead, or vote Constitution party or Natural Law Party or something else, and the Republicans don't win the Presidency without the south.

You know, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson had the same problem on the Democrat side. Hello Kettle.

condi vs hillary:D

condi is way better then hillary.
a much better public image
and would be nice to have a semi attractive president:D

the other option is this (http://www.washingtonblade.com/2005/3-25/news/national/Hillary-Clinton.jpg)

looks kind of like a man

i still think she has a deep secret

Hillary just scares the crap out of me. Hell she doesn't have to say anything, just stand there and she'll scare me. I swear I have never seen a honest smile from her.

maybe we'll get a Libertarian in office :p


hah, hah, hah, hah, hah hah, hah, hah, hah, hah hah, hah, hah, hah, hah hah, hah, hah, hah, hah!!

*wipes eyes*

oh, mercy

You know, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson had the same problem on the Democrat side. Hello Kettle.
There's a smidgen of truth to what you say, but using Al Sharpton as a comparison to Condi Rice is a bit ridiculous. Rice is an accompished woman in government. I don't agree with her worldview, but she has experience. Neither Jackson or Sharpton have ever been involved with governance in any significant degree, so that's a disqualification right there. A better example of what you're talking about is Carol Moseley Braun from 2004--she was a one-term Senator and couldn't get any traction against the white men running against her.

There's a smidgen of truth to what you say, but using Al Sharpton as a comparison to Condi Rice is a bit ridiculous. Rice is an accompished woman in government. I don't agree with her worldview, but she has experience. Neither Jackson or Sharpton have ever been involved with governance in any significant degree, so that's a disqualification right there. A better example of what you're talking about is Carol Moseley Braun from 2004--she was a one-term Senator and couldn't get any traction against the white men running against her.

Well the Democrat still had the same problem that you're claiming the Republican had. So until the Democrat gets a black person in the White House, hush it with the "Republicans are Racist!!111011" crap.

Well the Democrat still had the same problem that you're claiming the Republican had. So until the Democrat gets a black person in the White House, hush it with the "Republicans are Racist!!111011" crap.
Let me think about it.

Umm, no.

When the Republican party stops playing the race card in the south, when they stop targeting issues like where the Confederate flag ought to be put or openly courting racist organizations like the Council of Concerned Citizens (CCC instead of KKK, get it?) for votes, then I'll stop. I said it above--the party as a whole is not racist, but they pander to racists in the south for their margins of victory, and I'll not stop mentioning it, because it's relevant to any national political discussion.

Besides, as a Democrat, I want Cheney to be as large a millstone as possible around Republican necks going into the midterms. Tom DeLay too. Keep them both around, please.

screw the political games - it's long past time to drag the rulers of this country into the streets. waiting for elections is just compounding our great moral failure.

Well the Democrat still had the same problem that you're claiming the Republican had. So until the Democrat gets a black person in the White House, hush it with the "Republicans are Racist!!111011" crap.


Condi is an appointed politican, she's never had to stand for election in her own right. Unlike say, the few ethnic minority Senators and Congresspersons, the majority of which (I think) are Democratic.

The party machine might like her but she wouldn't win a presidential election because the majority of white southerners are racist, whichever way they vote.

When the Republican party stops playing the race card in the south,


I live in the South, and the last time I check, it's the ilks of Al Sharpton, and the liberals that are playing the race cards. The Republicans are for equal treatment, not special treatment.


when they stop targeting issues like where the Confederate flag ought to be put or openly


Well like it or not the Confederate Flag is an issuse down here. And it's more than a stupid flag, its about freedom of speech, which should be protected.


courting racist organizations like the Council of Concerned Citizens (CCC instead of KKK, get it?) for votes, then I'll stop.


From Wiki:

The CofCC considers itself a traditional Conservative group opposing Liberals and Neoconservatives and they also seek to promote some of the ideals of the Confederate States of America.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Conservative_Citizens


What good would it do for the Republicans to pander to these people if they hate Neo-con?

Also, if the Republican Party are pandering to the CCC, then why would the CCC bites the hand that feeds it?

"The development was inevitable given the Republican Party leadership's refusal to grapple with the out-of-control immigration crisis, which increasingly ..."

Yea... that arguement just falls flat on it's face right there.


I said it above--the party as a whole is not racist, but they pander to racists in the south for their margins of victory, and I'll not stop mentioning it, because it's relevant to any national political discussion.

How do they pander to racists? Please, give me specific links, or something to back up this claim. Because I follow the politics here in the South, and so far I have not seen any political party, Democrats or Republican panders to racists.

condi vs hillary:D

condi is way better then hillary.
a much better public image
and would be nice to have a semi attractive president:D



Are you kidding me? Condi happens to be the fuglyest thing I have EVER seen! Hillary is not much better, but come on.

Condi is an appointed politican, she's never had to stand for election in her own right. Unlike say, the few ethnic minority Senators and Congresspersons, the majority of which (I think) are Democratic.

The party machine might like her but she wouldn't win a presidential election because the majority of white southerners are racist, whichever way they vote.

Wow... and pray tell what proof you have to back this up? Until you have undeniable proof to back this claim up, please shut your racist mouth. Yes, I am calling you racist for your comment against Southerners White.

I live in the South, and the last time I check, it's the ilks of Al Sharpton, and the liberals that are playing the race cards. The Republicans are for equal treatment, not special treatment.
I grew up in the south, and I've lived all but two of my thirty-seven years in the south, so I feel eminently qualified to talk about this. When I left Louisiana, I lived in the Congressional district David Duke was running in--as a Republican. I've seen the race card played firsthand, by the Republican party.

Well like it or not the Confederate Flag is an issuse down here. And it's more than a stupid flag, its about freedom of speech, which should be protected.
And what is it that's being protected? A symbol of white privilege. Now I've never suggested that the flag ought to be done away with. I've only argued that it shouldn't be used to symbolize a state as a whole when it denigrates a significant portion of that state's population. But what's more important is that the Republican party, knowing that it's a symbol of hatred to black citizens, panders to the racist leanings of the members of their state who want to remind black people that they're the ones in charge, and if they had their way about it, the south would rise again.


From Wiki:

The CofCC considers itself a traditional Conservative group opposing Liberals and Neoconservatives and they also seek to promote some of the ideals of the Confederate States of America.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Conservative_Citizens


What good would it do for the Republicans to pander to these people if they hate Neo-con?

Also, if the Republican Party are pandering to the CCC, then why would the CCC bites the hand that feeds it?

"The development was inevitable given the Republican Party leadership's refusal to grapple with the out-of-control immigration crisis, which increasingly ..."

Yea... that arguement just falls flat on it's face right there.
Tell you what, why don't you ask Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour why he gave a speech before them and accepted their endorsement during his gubernatorial campaign? Why don't you ask John Ashcroft why he wrote an article for their magazine? Why don't you ask any of the other southern Republicans who have gone to them looking for political and financial support over the years?


How do they pander to racists? Please, give me specific links, or something to back up this claim. Because I follow the politics here in the South, and so far I have not seen any political party, Democrats or Republican panders to racists.
See the links to the CCC. And my comments on the flag issue. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there--it means you're willfully blind.

One other thing to add. If southern Republicans aren't racist, why does their party continually try to hold the black vote down, whether it's through biased voter purges like the ones in Florida, or Voter ID requirements that overly impact black communities like in Georgia?

Wow... and pray tell what proof you have to back this up? Until you have undeniable proof to back this claim up, please shut your racist mouth. Yes, I am calling you racist for your comment against Southerners White.


Well what would you call the kind of people who sent Strom Thurmond back to the Senate repeatedly for nearly fifty years? That was your neighbouring state by the way.

Perhaps I should have gone with 'there are sufficient racists' in the South rather than the 'majority are racists', so I retract that.

condi vs hillary:D

condi is way better then hillary.
a much better public image
and would be nice to have a semi attractive president:D

the other option is this (http://www.washingtonblade.com/2005/3-25/news/national/Hillary-Clinton.jpg)

looks kind of like a man

i still think she has a deep secret
She even has an 'Adams Apple'!!

Well what would you call the kind of people who sent Strom Thurmond back to the Senate repeatedly for nearly fifty years? That was your neighbouring state by the way.

Perhaps I should have gone with 'there are sufficient racists' in the South rather than the 'majority are racists', so I retract that.

You know, the "South" you see on TV, isn't the real South. Believe it or not, most people here are just human beings who are just trying to live day by day. The racist population is a small minority of the Southern population.

She even has an 'Adams Apple'!!

dang, she does, i never realised that:D

would kind of explain why bill had to turn to monica

You know, the "South" you see on TV, isn't the real South. Believe it or not, most people here are just human beings who are just trying to live day by day. The racist population is a small minority of the Southern population.

its generally the small minority that sets the precedent for the rest of the population.

lokk at chrisitans, many people always think of the evangelical, abortion burning, always carying a bible.

You know, the "South" you see on TV, isn't the real South. Believe it or not, most people here are just human beings who are just trying to live day by day. The racist population is a small minority of the Southern population.
Agreed, but they are a vocal minority in the Republican party, and they provide the margin of victory in most elections. In one recent case, Louisiana in 2004, they provided the margin for the Democrats--they turned on their own nominee, Bobby Jindal, because he was Indian and dark-skinned. It's a shame that it happened, because Blanco isn't a racist and never pandered to them, but the post election polling showed that Jindal lost that group that normally goes for the Republican candidate, and that was his margin of loss.

Condi I think has said that she won't run. But since I'm not sure, I'll let the fantasy go. Personally I would have to know a lot more about her. Everything about her speaks to foreign policy. The problem with Hillary is, she's scary:eek:. Personality counts for everything in political life (and personally I think the more personable presidents are the better ones). People don't like novelty for the most part in presidents.

As a libertarian, I am very tired of Bush's "compassionate conservatism." To me it's just a whole lot of pro-business religious populism. Particularily, I find Bush's energy policy a pointless waste of money. (e.g. Bush's proposal to reduce dependence on ME oil is prima facie ignorance about oil or any other gobally-traded commodity). One of the big problems, income and sales taxes are going to fund our road systems, which is heavily msmanaged by greedy politicians anyway. Either privatize our road system entirely, or (if that's not possible) enact laws to pass the full cost of driving onto those that actually drive (tolls or, if nothing else works, excise taxes). Maybe my Classical Liberal friends could help me on this, but I'm also thinking a carbon tax might be in order. How does one avoid the tragedy of the commons involving global warming?

But i digress. I don't believe Hillary will win if she runs (unless we remain bogged down in Iraq). The question is "Will anyone among the Republicans rise to the occasion?". Cheney won't run (too old and can't win), and Bill Frist is boring as hell. Codi is the only superstar the repubs have right now, so she's the only one with a chance right now. Things change, tho.

Hillary just scares the crap out of me. Hell she doesn't have to say anything, just stand there and she'll scare me. I swear I have never seen a honest smile from her.
No Hillary in 2008. No one would respect us if we elected a dyke.

No Hillary in 2008. No one would respect us if we elected a dyke.
Oh, teh stupid. It burns us. It buuuuuuuuuuurns ussssssssssssss! :rolleyes:

No Hillary in 2008. No one would respect us if we elected a dyke.

God if the Democrats pick her the Republicans will be doing "Anybody but Clinton" thing. And the whole thing would've come full circle!

No Hillary in 2008. No one would respect us if we elected a dyke.


No one respects us now what difference does it make?

God if the Democrats pick her the Republicans will be doing "Anybody but Clinton" thing. And the whole thing would've come full circle!
That's true. I'll tell you, I'd be ecstatic if the two major candidates in 2008 are anyone but Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush. The last 20 years have been enough from those two families, and I say this as a fan of Bill Clinton's time in office. No dynasties for me, thank you very much.

No one respects us now what difference does it make?

Well, Hillary could scare the international community by just showing up with that face of her. Bush uses militatry forces.

Well, Hillary could scare the international community by just showing up with that face of her. Bush uses militatry forces.


this is the new face of fear
http://www.usasurvival.org/images/hillary.jpg

She even has an 'Adams Apple'!!

I dunno... maybe she wasn't born a woman, and we're all being extremely transgenderphobic here.

I don't know what the big deal is - Cheney shot a lawyer, you'd think everyone would be happy about it.

I'd vote for Condi.

this is the new face of fear
http://www.usasurvival.org/images/hillary.jpg

Yes. We could make N. Korea and Iran give up thier nukes by having Hillary strip for them. Hell even just making out with her is scary enough.

Yes. We could make N. Korea and Iran give up thier nukes by having Hillary strip for them. Hell even just making out with her is scary enough.


I hear she bites the heads off of vitcims after having sex with them.

I hear she bites the heads off of vitcims after having sex with them.

I heard she turns their weenies into dildos and wears them, even when shes not having sex with Bill.

I just think the chaos a Condi/Hillary race would cause to the Nutter Wings of the R&Ds would be worth it for the entertainment factor alone.

Would Blacks be disenfranchised by voting For or Against a Black Woman?

How about the NeoNazi vote? Condi looks a damnsight better in Spike Heel Jack Boots than Hillary does. ;)

I just think the chaos a Condi/Hillary race would cause to the Nutter Wings of the R&Ds would be worth it for the entertainment factor alone.

Would Blacks be disenfranchised by voting For or Against a Black Woman?

How about the NeoNazi vote? Condi looks a damnsight better in Spike Heel Jack Boots than Hillary does. ;)


Condoleeza said she wasn't running though right?

Condoleeza said she wasn't running though right?
If you want to maintain a high profile political job you CANNOT say you want to run, because everything you do thereafter officially becomes "campaigning" - with all the FEC falderall it entails.

The only people who can get away with that are incumbents running for their same seat.

Usually even a Representative who wants to become Senator has to quit before they can do so.

By making Condi VP for a Lame Duck, Bush could essentially put her in the position of Running without having to run - and without having to rely on grass-roots sign-in campaigns like http://www.americansforrice.com/

And Then we could have the Catfight of all Catfights.

It would be glorius (in the Klingon sense) :D

In order for a woman to get the votes of the Nascar Dad, she would have to do a lot more than Condi or Hillary every did. Maybe if she drove a stake through Bin Laden's heart on National Television. And then did a split in a short dress.

If you want to maintain a high profile political job you CANNOT say you want to run, because everything you do thereafter officially becomes "campaigning" - with all the FEC falderall it entails.

The only people who can get away with that are incumbents running for their same seat.

Usually even a Representative who wants to become Senator has to quit before they can do so.

By making Condi VP for a Lame Duck, Bush could essentially put her in the position of Running without having to run - and without having to rely on grass-roots sign-in campaigns like http://www.americansforrice.com/

And Then we could have the Catfight of all Catfights.

It would be glorius (in the Klingon sense) :D

I would pay an extreme amount of money to see Condi V Hillary in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome style cage match to the death. My vote would be for hillary though only cause she has that whole "crazy" factor going for her.

I would pay an extreme amount of money to see Condi V Hillary in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome style cage match to the death. My vote would be for hillary though only cause she has that whole "crazy" factor going for her.
But hillary ain't got the Boots man.

http://www.ninme.com/photos/hotcondi.jpg

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2005/02/25/2002190053.jpg http://michnews.com/artman/images/condoleezza_rice_boots.jpg

Condi would drive one of those heels through Hillary's Undead Heart. :D

dude cheney rules and if bush wanted condi than condi would be vice president:)

But hillary ain't got the Boots man.



http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2005/02/25/2002190053.jpg http://michnews.com/artman/images/condoleezza_rice_boots.jpg

Condi would drive one of those heels through Hillary's Undead Heart. :D


those boots are made for walkin.......

but dont forget hillary has the stare!

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_020606/content/rush_on_a_roll.Par.0002.ImageFile.jpg

that stare turns most people into stone

those boots are made for walkin.......

but dont forget hillary has the stare!

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_020606/content/rush_on_a_roll.Par.0002.ImageFile.jpg

that stare turns most people into stone
Sure didn't work for Bill. That's why he needed Monica.

she also is skilled in the art of camoflague

http://66.148.249.77/Noahware/Images/WolfInSheepsClothing.jpg