NationStates Jolt Archive

Based on the continuing ineffectiveness of FEMA, as restructred by the current administration, the apparent blase`-ness of Homeland Security under Chertoff, and the lack of foresight displayed by this Administration, even giving them a free pass for the purposes of my point here on prewar intelligence, their motivations for invading Iraq and the purely logistical planning for the war itself, for conditions that would prevail immediately after the defeat of the Iraqi army itself and the eventual capture of Saddam:

Do you really trust this group to primarily write the Constitution for Iraq, a country it has already shown it lacks a basic understanding of?

Throw in how much power this group interprets our own Constitution to give the President/Executive branch.

Is the Bush administration really capable of building from scratch (or at least powerfully influencing,) a functioning Democracy in the Middle East?

Well no, of course not. I have better hopes for the next administration, but I guess the Iraqis shouldn't count on any help from Washington.

And the Neocons aren't really after a democracy anyways. They're after a country that supports them - and their theory is that democracies don't go to war with each other and automatically have pretty good relations.

Which makes it so interesting to watch how they react if Iraqis vote in someone who likes Iran better than the States.

here's a hint


No One Will Ever Create a Democracy in the Middle East

ever

No One Will Ever Create a Democracy in the Middle East
Except the people themselves.

See Lebanon, or Jordan. Egypt is well on the way as well. I guess you could call Turkey "middle eastern". And Iran is democratic with qualifications.

Well no, of course not. I have better hopes for the next administration, but I guess the Iraqis shouldn't count on any help from Washington.

And the Neocons aren't really after a democracy anyways. They're after a country that supports them - and their theory is that democracies don't go to war with each other and automatically have pretty good relations.

Which makes it so interesting to watch how they react if Iraqis vote in someone who likes Iran better than the States.

*My apologizes for any mis-spellings.

I don't think the majority Islamic sect would like to vote in a minority supporter. Iran is primarily Shi'a and Iraq Shiite, and likewise Iran has done some fairly poor stuff to the shiite's in Iraq, like funding Shi'a attacks against them and elsewhere. I think we have a better chance of having the Iraqi's electing someone who is more apt at the stances of Down with the United States, but not much more likely.

here's a hint


No One Will Ever Create a Democracy in the Middle East

ever

300 years ago, no one really thought a Democracy could be built elsewhere.

Europe in the Middle Ages was a lot more savage than the Middle East is now. Heck, the Middle East at the time was quite a bit more "civilized" than Europe.

Never is a long time.

Shia = Shi'ite :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia
Shi'a is the denomination, ie "Catholicism".
Shi'ite is the follower, ie "Catholic".

I agree, a democracy, or some other equality-based form of government, is possible in the middle east, but it is going to take a long time, a lot of compromise, and they are going to have to do it on their own. I am going to hope that someone steps in to stop the Bush Administration, or atleast stall them until we can get a new, and hopefully more honest, president into the office. America has no place in the Middle East.

no. George Bush is really stupid. I mean that. I'm not just saying that for effect. He is a stupid man. Unfortunately, Karl Rove is really smart. He is why George Bush was able to get elected and then reelcted.

The Bush administration administers its administration with the firm hand of administration. No one else can truly administer the Bush administration as Bush can,

no. George Bush is really stupid. I mean that. I'm not just saying that for effect. He is a stupid man. Unfortunately, Karl Rove is really smart. He is why George Bush was able to get elected and then reelcted.
very elegantly put indeed :D

The Bush administration administers its administration with the firm hand of administration. No one else can truly administer the Bush administration as Bush can,
Scary that this is a real quote: "I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe - I believe what I believe is right." -- GWB; Italy, Jul. 22, 2001

The Bush administration administers its administration with the firm hand of administration. No one else can truly administer the Bush administration as Bush can,
Alrighty, hum a few bars ...

no. George Bush is really stupid. I mean that. I'm not just saying that for effect. He is a stupid man. Unfortunately, Karl Rove is really smart. He is why George Bush was able to get elected and then reelcted.
I don't even think Rove is all that smart. He's ruthless, and he has absolutely no moral qualms about anything--he'd probably knife a baby and fuck the neckhole on national television if it would get him 50.1% of the vote. He's very good at one thing--getting George W. Bush elected--but that doesn't necessarily translate into overall smarts.

I don't even think Rove is all that smart. He's ruthless, and he has absolutely no moral qualms about anything--he'd probably knife a baby and fuck the neckhole on national television if it would get him 50.1% of the vote. He's very good at one thing--getting George W. Bush elected--but that doesn't necessarily translate into overall smarts.
What's with all the sigworthies on NS today? :D