NationStates Jolt Archive


Republicans and decadence

Straughn
14-02-2006, 21:29
I haven't seen this one up of late, and i figured i'd post.
There's some keeper quotes here on the nature of (heil!) allegiance and the current "president".

*ahem*

Bush-bashing on the rise within GOP
By Dick Polman

Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON — Conservatives love to quote Ronald Reagan at every opportunity, to invoke him as the exemplar of their ideology. But in their winter of discontent, many on the right are breaching Reagan's 11th commandment, which decrees that no Republican shall ever speak ill of another.

And the target of their ire is President Bush.

At the dawn of a crucial election year — and with all the polls indicating that the Democrats are poised to make gains in the House and Senate — the Bush White House is banking on a big, enthusiastic conservative turnout in November. But that will happen only if the Bush base calls a halt to its Bush bashing.

The bashing has been intense in recent days. Commentator Jonah Goldberg, miffed that Bush has piled up record deficits and boosted the size of government, writes that Bush "is spending money like a pimp with a week to live." Another, Fox News analyst Tony Snow, says that Bush's decision to shelve his Social Security privatization plan is "an act of surrender." (Surrender monkeys, anyone? - O3d) Yet another, former Reagan domestic-policy adviser Bruce Bartlett, is releasing a book this month titled "Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy."

The vibes here late last week at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) were particularly toxic. Normally, the thousands who attend spend most of their time trying to ensure that liberalism is a dirty word in American politics. This year was different.

Bush was painted as another Bill Clinton (the ultimate insult) or Jimmy Carter (almost as bad), because he is pushing a downscaled domestic agenda — no Social Security plan, no tax-code overhaul this time — and because he wants to pump taxpayer money into alternative energy. Even Rick Perry, who succeeded Bush as governor of Texas, rebuked Bush for failing to secure the borders against illegal immigrants, thereby questioning Bush's national-security record.

The ongoing influx of illegal immigrants, and the nation's porous border with Mexico, have become major grievances for the Bush base. The issue now threatens to undercut Bush's '06 strategy, which is to stump for a big November turnout by touting his war-on-terror credentials (an intended reprise of '02 and '04). Indeed, Republican strategist Marc Rotterman warned here that unless Bush gets tough on immigrants, "we risk alienating our conservative base and the 'Reagan Democrats' who have helped us secure our electoral majority. ... Our conservative movement right now is at a crossroads."

Mike Krempasky, a veteran activist and prominent conservative blogger, said: "I know so many people who care deeply about immigration. It has become increasingly frustrating for conservatives to see their leadership refusing to secure the borders. And how will this affect the army of election volunteers that Republicans normally rely on?"

The immigration issue is especially sensitive because it threatens to split the Republican coalition, dividing the grass-roots conservatives (the campaign workers) from the business lobby (the big donors).

Within the grass roots, there is great hostility toward Bush's "guest worker" plan, which would allow illegal immigrants to stay in America for three years. Many conservatives dismiss that plan as a back-door amnesty and an invitation to terrorist infiltration; Bush's big-business allies like the plan, because they see the illegals as cheap labor.

Last week, that GOP fault line ruptured. It happened when Rep. Tom Tancredo showed up at the CPAC event. The scourge of illegal immigrants, he's a Colorado Republican who flaunts his rebel status. In 2002, he said that if terrorists struck America after slipping across the unsecured border, "the blood of the people killed will be on this administration," a remark that (as Tancredo tells it) prompted Bush strategist Karl Rove to ring him up, chew him out and call him a "traitor."

Tancredo was the CPAC rock star. He triggered howls of appreciation when he said that, on immigration, "it is the president, not Tom Tancredo, who is out of step with his party." Then he took on the Bush guest-worker plan and said: "It is the employer community which sees profits from cheap labor, and the hell with the (impact on) the American taxpayer. The conservative movement can either be the voice of principle ... or it can be the voice of the Chamber of Commerce, but it cannot be both."

But Randel Johnson wasn't howling. A senior U.S. Chamber of Commerce official, he took the podium shortly thereafter, looking as if he'd just been punched.

"Look," he said, "I'm a lifetime Republican, I worked in the Reagan administration, I worked on (Capitol) Hill when the Republicans took over in 1994. Immigration is a tough issue for some of us, like me, and we hate to see a split like this in the Republican Party."

Thousands sat in silence, but he plowed on: "We in the business community provide millions of jobs, and all of a sudden, we become the bad guy in this debate." More silence.

Nor does harmony reign on other fronts. There's a big conservative faction that thinks Bush is wrong for believing he can bring peaceful democracy to Iraq and the rest of the Middle East (case in point: Palestinians have chosen Hamas).

There's a conservative faction that believes Bush is wrong to conduct warrantless surveillance of Americans; ex-Rep. Bob Barr, who led the early fight for Clinton's impeachment, suggested here that the Bush plan violated federal law and argued that "we can't allow our convictions to be dimmed or tarnished or confused by the fog of war."

And there's a big conservative faction that is alarmed about lobbyist Jack Abramoff, who pleaded guilty last month in a bribery-and-corruption scandal. They see Abramoff as a symbol of the special-interest establishment, and they want Bush to separate himself from that orbit and lead as a small-government outsider. (Pioneer ... O3d)

And, maybe most importantly, there is an outcry over Bush's big spending and record deficits. Even Grover Norquist, one of the top conservative architects in Washington, points out that Bush's non-defense spending has outpaced Clinton's — and that this issue could demoralize conservatives on Election Day.

In his words, "the troubles of 2005 could yet snowball to disastrous proportions in 2006."
Gauthier
14-02-2006, 21:58
It's sad when Bushevik complacency can overcome Democratic Party Establishment complacency to finally force a semblance of real change in the national government. Change is good and all, but when it happens because the Republicans realize their own core is rotting from Bushitis more than the Democrats are taking serious backstabbing throat-slitting advantage of this weakness, it's still sad.
Straughn
14-02-2006, 22:05
It's sad when Bushevik complacency can overcome Democratic Party Establishment complacency to finally force a semblance of real change in the national government. Change is good and all, but when it happens because the Republicans realize their own core is rotting from Bushitis more than the Democrats are taking serious backstabbing throat-slitting advantage of this weakness, it's still sad.
Sad, but funnier if they were wearing togas and hanging 'round in a public vomitorium. *nods*
And necessary.
Straughn
14-02-2006, 23:02
Ah, for something fair and balanced, Gauthier brought up an interesting post ....

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=468824

I'd had a similar thought about it myself.
The Half-Hidden
14-02-2006, 23:15
WASHINGTON — Conservatives love to quote Ronald Reagan at every opportunity, to invoke him as the exemplar of their ideology. But in their winter of discontent, many on the right are breaching Reagan's 11th commandment, which decrees that no Republican shall ever speak ill of another.
Doesn't this "commandment" run at odds to the proclaimed individualism that conservatives supposedly support?

Funny, those policies that conservative factions are complaining about just reminded me that I actually agree with Bush on some matters.
Straughn
14-02-2006, 23:19
Doesn't this "commandment" run at odds to the proclaimed individualism that conservatives supposedly support?

Funny, those policies that conservative factions are complaining about just reminded me that I actually agree with Bush on some matters.
To be honest, there's been EXTREMELY *little* individualism expressed by conservatives w/in the Repub party until fairly recently.
The Half-Hidden
14-02-2006, 23:21
To be honest, there's been EXTREMELY *little* individualism expressed by conservatives w/in the Repub party until fairly recently.
But you would think that if Reagan is to be showcased as an exemplary exponent of the conservative ideology, it is a contradiction that his commandment should be so collectivist in nature.

You know who else didn't like factions within his party? Lenin.
Straughn
14-02-2006, 23:28
But you would think that if Reagan is to be showcased as an exemplary exponent of the conservative ideology, it is a contradiction that his commandment should be so collectivist in nature.
It would actually lend creedence to the idea that conservativism is more of a reactionary philosophy and not a trend-setting philosophy. Seriously, trend-setters are more often associated with individuals, ones who buck the norm. Since that equates them with "progressive" ... you know where i'm going with it.
It wouldn't be the first huge contradiction of stated philosophy vs. active philosophy of a political group, certainly not for conservatives. Indeed, as Jonah Goldberg pointed out, Bush "is spending money like a pimp with a week to live.". That's not particularly conservative in *any* philosophical sense. It's taken too long for the conservatives in power and in talking-point dissemination to come to terms with it.
You know who else didn't like factions within his party? Lenin.
Got me there. *nods*
The Half-Hidden
14-02-2006, 23:32
It wouldn't be the first huge contradiction of stated philosophy vs. active philosophy of a political group, certainly not for conservatives. Indeed, as Jonah Goldberg pointed out, Bush "is spending money like a pimp with a week to live.". That's not particularly conservative in *any* philosophical sense. It's taken too long for the conservatives in power and in talking-point dissemination to come to terms with it.

Maybe you should learn to tell the difference between "Republican" and "conservative" - I'm not using them as synonyms.

The Republican conservatism is skin-deep. They're just another mixed-economy, corporatist, military-industrial bureaucracy. Like the Democrats.
Vetalia
14-02-2006, 23:33
I always find this amusing...these Republicans are only bashing Bush now because they see that backing him can hurt them politically. They had no problem voting for his money wasting programs and proposing a healthy bunch of their own in order to outspend the Democrats while times were good for the party.

Now that they are in a tough situation, they're attacking Bush policies, even though they loved his profigilate spending policies and lack of vetoes a few years ago. I guess the first rule in politics is to bite the hand that fed you when it's no longer beneficial.
Straughn
14-02-2006, 23:36
Maybe you should learn to tell the difference between "Republican" and "conservative" - I'm not using them as synonyms.
It's about as fair as calling every Democrat a "liberal". And although you don't do it here, you MUST admit it is one of the calling fallacies of the right-wing to do so gregariously.
Also, the point of the thread is the split and discernment. *nods*
I know the difference myself, given my voting record ... i think it's time that there was more distance from rhetoric in this regard, and you're doing fine.


The Republican conservatism is skin-deep. They're just another mixed-economy, corporatist, military-industrial bureaucracy. Like the Democrats.Probably. That doesn't seem to be where the difference lies.
Straughn
14-02-2006, 23:38
I always find this amusing...these Republicans are only bashing Bush now because they see that backing him can hurt them politically. They had no problem voting for his money wasting programs and proposing a healthy bunch of their own in order to outspend the Democrats while times were good for the party.

Now that they are in a tough situation, they're attacking Bush policies, even though they loved his profigilate spending policies and lack of vetoes a few years ago. I guess the first rule in politics is to bite the hand that fed you when it's no longer beneficial.
Agreed. *nods*
Vetalia
14-02-2006, 23:46
Agreed. *nods*

Trust me, there's no Bush supporter in Vetalia...that guy wore out his welcome when the deficit hit $427 billion.
Straughn
14-02-2006, 23:49
Trust me, there's no Bush supporter in Vetalia...that guy wore out his welcome when the deficit hit $427 billion.
That's as good a reason as any, IMO.
*nods*
It'd be different if it weren't for the specific points you'd made in your post ... not TOO different, but that's certainly a big part of it.
CanuckHeaven
14-02-2006, 23:59
Bush "is spending money like a pimp with a week to live.".

http://sensiblyeclectic.com/b2evolution/blogs/media/bush_pimp.jpg
Straughn
15-02-2006, 00:05
http://sensiblyeclectic.com/b2evolution/blogs/media/bush_pimp.jpg
That ROCKS!
Is that a doc or legit?
The Half-Hidden
15-02-2006, 00:17
Probably. That doesn't seem to be where the difference lies.
I don't believe that there is a real difference between the two parties. Only on issues of greatly exaggerated importance, like abortion and gay marriage.
Straughn
15-02-2006, 02:36
I don't believe that there is a real difference between the two parties. Only on issues of greatly exaggerated importance, like abortion and gay marriage.
Actually, i find i largely agree with you - the "import" as you say, of issues of personal moral authority vs. social moral authority.
CanuckHeaven
15-02-2006, 03:16
That ROCKS!
Is that a doc or legit?
Ummmm, I wouldn't know. I kinda borrowed it from Google images by doing a "bush pimp" search.

Looks real though.............naw. :D
Straughn
15-02-2006, 03:26
Ummmm, I wouldn't know. I kinda borrowed it from Google images by doing a "bush pimp" search.

Looks real though.............naw. :D
There must be a lot of those. As idiotic as it sounds, i'm sure, doctored photos of Bush just don't seem to have crossed my mind until recently (given the amount of Loki-esque pleasure involved in said enterprise!)

Yes, that's a hint. If anyone's got a good source, feel free to TG me.
The Nazz
15-02-2006, 03:41
Here's the thing to remember, however--in the end, no matter how tough all these people talk, it's still nothing but talk. Whatever Bush's next legislative priority is, they'll all be scurrying to see who can get the first lick at the Presidential browneye, who can capture the first precious political dingleberry.
Straughn
15-02-2006, 03:45
Here's the thing to remember, however--in the end, no matter how tough all these people talk, it's still nothing but talk. Whatever Bush's next legislative priority is, they'll all be scurrying to see who can get the first lick at the Presidential browneye, who can capture the first precious political dingleberry.
Sigworthy. :D

They're likely waiting their chance to do evil things subtly while the figurehead gets the scathes and wreaths.
The Nazz
15-02-2006, 03:54
Sigworthy. :D

They're likely waiting their chance to do evil things subtly while the figurehead gets the scathes and wreaths.
Who knew analingus would be the ticket to someone's sigline?
Straughn
15-02-2006, 04:04
Who knew analingus would be the ticket to someone's sigline?
I'm thinking there's at least TWO other posters besides ourselves who know that ... ;D