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Saddam Hussein on Hunger Strike

Minoriteeburg
14-02-2006, 17:51
Saddam Says He's on a Hunger Strike
By HAMZA HENDAWI Associated Press Writer

Saddam Hussein and three former officials in his regime on Tuesday told the court handling their trial that they were on a hunger strike in protest of the judge overseeing the proceedings.

Saddam said he had not eaten in three days, while his former intelligence chief, Ibrahim Barzan, said he had been on strike for two days. Their claims of a hunger strike could not be independently confirmed. The defendants are being held in U.S. detention, and U.S. officials could not immediately be reached to comment.

Investigative judge Raid Juhi did not deny the defendants were refusing food when asked about the strike after the day's three-hour session. "This is an administrative problem that the court is working to verify and it will work also to solve it... with the responsible parties in the custodial authorities," he told reporters.

"But, as you could see, the defendants are in good health," he said.

Chief judge Raouf Abdel-Rahman, who took over the court last month, has worked to impose order in a court where outbursts and arguments have frequently overshadowed the testimony.

At the start of Tuesday's session, Saddam told the judge, "For three days we have been holding a hunger strike protesting against your way of treating us _ against you and your masters."

Ibrahim, who wore only his long underwear for the second day in a row, complained that he and the other defendants had been forced to attend the proceedings against their will.

"You brought me by force in my pyjamas and I have been on a hunger strike for two days," he said.

The defendants refused to attend sessions last month after their defense team walked out of court. The defense lawyers have refused to participate in the trial until Abdel-Rahman is removed, accusing him of bias against Saddam.

Abdel-Rahman appointed new defense lawyers, but Saddam and other defendants refused to accept them. But on Monday, Abdel-Rahman ordered the defendants to attend the session. Saddam entered on his own, but Ibrahim had to be pulled into the court _ shouting and struggling and wearing only his long underwear _ by guards who held him by the arms.

The prosecution continued its attempts to prove Saddam and his seven co-defendants were directly involved in a wave of arrests and executions that followed a 1982 attempt on his life in the Shiite village of Dujail.

It put three former members of Saddam's regime _ a former secretary of Saddam, a former governor and an anonymous intelligence official _ on the witness stand in three hours of testimony, before Abdel-Rahman ajourned the proceedings until Feb. 28.

The prosecution displayed to the court a document dated July 21, 1982 _ 12 days after the assassination attempt _ in which the Mukhabarat, the intelligence agency headed by Ibrahim, recommended rewards for six employees officials for their role in the arrests.

The document bore a signature that the prosecution said was Ibrahim's. Below it was written the word "agreed" with what was allegedly Saddam's signature.

On the witness stand, Hamed Youssef Hamadi _ who was Saddam's personal secretary at the time _ was asked whose handwriting was on the memo. "It looks like President Saddam's," he said.

Saddam and his seven co-defendants are on trial in the killing of nearly 150 Shiite Muslims in Dujail. If convicted, they could face the death penalty by hanging.

Since the trial began, Saddam and Ibrahim have only dealt with the court with contempt, interrupting it with outbursts, arguments and insults.

Tuesday's session began in much the same way. Saddam entered and shouted his support for Iraqi insurgents, yelling "Long live the mujahedeen." Later, during the testimony, he shouted, "I say to all Iraqis fight and liberate your country."

He argued with Abdel-Rahman, at one point telling the judge, "Hit your own head with that gavel."

But when the testimony began, Ibrahim addressed the court for nearly a half-hour, giving the first lengthy account by any of the eight defendants about their role in the Dujail crackdown. Ibrahim spoke from the defendants' pen, and Abdel-Rahman allowed him to speak, largely uninterrupted.

Ibrahim denied any role in the wave of arrests. He said he went to Dujail on the day that gunmen opened fire on Saddam's motorcade, then returned to the village the following day. He claimed he ordered the release of 80 detainees held at the ruling Baath Party's headquarters in the town.

"I released all the detainees inside the hall _ more than 80 persons. I swear to God I said goodbye to them one by one and apologized," he said.

He said that on his way to Dujail he remembered hearing a story that former Syrian President Hafez Assad had killed detainees after a failed assassination attempt against him. "This was on my mind, and I told myself that I will not allow anyone even to be slapped," he told the court.

After those two visits, "I never heard of Dujail ever again. I never got a report on it. It was all handed over to the General Security Services," a separate agency, Ibrahim told the judge.

In previous sessions, some prosecution witnesses _ Dujail residents arrested in the crackdown _ have testified that Ibrahim was personally involved in torturing them after they were taken from Dujail to the Baghdad headquarters of the Mukharabat, the feared intelligence agency that Ibrahim headed under Saddam.

One witness testified last month that her interrogators stripped her naked, hung her by her arms and gave her electric shocks. Ibrahim entered the room, ordered her hung by her feet then kicked her three times in the chest, she said.

After hearing testimony from dozens of victims of the crackdown since the trial began on Oct. 19, the prosecution on Monday and Tuesday began calling former members of Saddam's regime to the witness stand in an attempt to show Saddam's direct role in the imprisonments in executions.

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So any bets on how long this Hunger Strike will last????
Zilam
14-02-2006, 18:27
So any bets on how long this Hunger Strike will last????


I don't know about Ol' Saddam...I do know, however, Mr Hussein and myself share the same birthday(completly off subject i know)
Antikythera
14-02-2006, 18:29
it wont last...the only reason that they are doing it is for the publicity....so if we compleatly ignored him and all the stupid stuff that he does in cort the trial would go much faster.
Rotovia-
14-02-2006, 18:32
The fact is the man deserves the sames rights as any defendant. There I said it.

They have every right to protest procedural matters and take issue with the presiding judge.
Nadkor
14-02-2006, 18:33
Do you want a pastie supper Saddam Hussein...


Doesn't really work so well.
Minoriteeburg
14-02-2006, 18:34
well I approve of his hunger strike and he can stay on it even if he gets his way. that will make the trial go much faster.
Rotovia-
14-02-2006, 18:37
well I approve of his hunger strike and he can stay on it even if he gets his way. that will make the trial go much faster.
American, no? I'm just making an assumption here. That assumption being Americans tend to assume that people are guilty if they get charged. Rather then presuming innocence and letting justice take its' course.
Drunk commies deleted
14-02-2006, 18:44
Personally I'd love to see what would happen if we just put Saddam back in charge of Iraq. "Sorry 'bout your sons, Saddam. You can always make a couple more. Here's your country back. See ya."
UpwardThrust
14-02-2006, 18:47
The fact is the man deserves the sames rights as any defendant. There I said it.

They have every right to protest procedural matters and take issue with the presiding judge.
I agree

But Personally I would let the man starve. We will provide the food necessary, if he chooses not to eat thats his fault.
Man in Black
14-02-2006, 18:55
The fact is the man deserves the sames rights as any defendant. There I said it.

They have every right to protest procedural matters and take issue with the presiding judge.
Fuck him. He's guilty.
UpwardThrust
14-02-2006, 18:58
Fuck him. He's guilty.

American, no? I'm just making an assumption here. That assumption being Americans tend to assume that people are guilty if they get charged. Rather then presuming innocence and letting justice take its' course.
Hmmz

He still deserves the same rights untill conviction.

In fact one of his rights is to starve his stupid self to death... or not its up to him.
DrunkenDove
14-02-2006, 19:00
The fact is the man deserves the sames rights as any defendant. There I said it.

Wrong. This is a show trial. It exists not to separate the innocent from the guilty, as is normally the case, but to achieve a national catharsis through the airing of grievances and a finality through the inevitable guilty verdict.
Minoriteeburg
14-02-2006, 19:02
because let's fact it people...he is going to be found guilty.

unless if this goes the way of the OJ trial.
Psychotic Mongooses
14-02-2006, 19:06
Wrong. This is a show trial. It exists not to separate the innocent from the guilty, as is normally the case, but to achieve a national catharsis through the airing of grievances and a finality through the inevitable guilty verdict.

True, true. Although if he manages to drag the trial out for another year I think, he'll escape the death penalty.
Liverbreath
14-02-2006, 19:07
So any bets on how long this Hunger Strike will last????

Well, if it is delt with correctly it will not be very long. I've seen it many times and 3 days is a long one. They get really tired of having all food items removed from their cells, getting weighed 2 times per day, having their intake of water measured and their waste weighed, plus the temptation of having 3 meals per day placed in front of them and the real kicker is having someone sit and watch them logging in their every move on a 15 minute basis.
Of the council of clan
14-02-2006, 19:09
bah, if he keeps it up, they'll put him on IV and try to force feed him. No big deal.


I mean really does he expect anyone to shed a tear if he starves himself to death?
Minoriteeburg
14-02-2006, 19:18
<---- won't cry
UpwardThrust
14-02-2006, 19:29
bah, if he keeps it up, they'll put him on IV and try to force feed him. No big deal.


I mean really does he expect anyone to shed a tear if he starves himself to death?
Personaly I am all for someone removing themselfs from the gene pool if they are stupid enough to starve themselfs to death when food is redily avaliable
Psychotic Mongooses
14-02-2006, 19:32
Personaly I am all for someone removing themselfs from the gene pool if they are stupid enough to starve themselfs to death when food is redily avaliable

Suffragettes?

(obviously, not comparing like with like)
Genaia3
14-02-2006, 19:35
Good, maybe he'll starve save the Iraqis all the hassle of a state execution.
Moosenstein
14-02-2006, 19:37
So any bets on how long this Hunger Strike will last????
:mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper:
till he REALLY gets hungry..
or he figures out, The Tiger Claw is only somethat that he made up..

And His Gaijin Smash isn't as strong as others....

MYself see the whole deal as a BORING excerise in wasting time and money.
shoot him... and then go have a beer.
Genaia3
14-02-2006, 19:37
Maybe they should turn it into something resembling a Japanese gameshow; leave him in an empty room with a fork and a tub of pot noodles and take bets on how long it'll take him to crack.
Psychotic Mongooses
14-02-2006, 19:38
MYself see the whole deal as a BORING excerise in wasting time and money.
shoot him... and then go have a beer.

So much for due process then...
UpwardThrust
14-02-2006, 19:40
Suffragettes?

(obviously, not comparing like with like)
The cause was good the methods not so much so. Hell looked how good force feeding them turned out for the other side. There just ended up being an outcry for feeding them like they would a common insane person.
DrunkenDove
14-02-2006, 19:41
till he REALLY gets hungry...

Actually, you stop feeling hungry after about a week. Your body goes into "famine mode".
Zolworld
14-02-2006, 19:43
Maybe they should turn it into something resembling a Japanese gameshow; leave him in an empty room with a fork and a tub of pot noodles and take bets on how long it'll take him to crack.

Thats just immoral. pot noodles are awful.
Qwystyria
14-02-2006, 19:43
I don't think he deserves the food he's getting anyway. He starved so many people to death by his actions, it seems a fitting sentence if he were to starve himself to death next.
Psychotic Mongooses
14-02-2006, 19:46
The cause was good the methods not so much so. Hell looked how good force feeding them turned out for the other side. There just ended up being an outcry for feeding them like they would a common insane person.

Methods? You mean the Suffragettes themselves (throwing themselves in front of horses during races, self starvation etc) or the Police ('the Cat and Mouse' feeding).
UpwardThrust
14-02-2006, 19:46
I don't think he deserves the food he's getting anyway. He starved so many people to death by his actions, it seems a fitting sentence if he were to starve himself to death next.
Im glad we still live by the innocent unless proved guilty theory (of course we ad the proviso unless we feel you are guilty)
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I think he is guilty as sin but we still have to go through the process
Yathura
14-02-2006, 19:48
American, no? I'm just making an assumption here. That assumption being Americans tend to assume that people are guilty if they get charged. Rather then presuming innocence and letting justice take its' course.
Saddam is guilty and everyone knows it. Don't play "holier than thou".
Psychotic Mongooses
14-02-2006, 19:51
Saddam is guilty and everyone knows it. Don't play "holier than thou".

I don't think he is. Rotovia was merely saying that if 'we' simply do away with him, we show ourselves to be no better then himself and his methods.

If he is guilty, then he will be found so via due process- is that so hard to ask?

Again though- it is essentially a show trial- so its a moot anyway.
UpwardThrust
14-02-2006, 19:51
Saddam is guilty and everyone knows it. Don't play "holier than thou".
For some reason I would not want to be punished for what the general population feels about me. I think thats why we have this whole ... um judicial system yeah I think thats what we call it.
UpwardThrust
14-02-2006, 19:53
Methods? You mean the Suffragettes themselves (throwing themselves in front of horses during races, self starvation etc) or the Police ('the Cat and Mouse' feeding).
I was reffering specificaly to the hunger strike ... But I am sure there are lots of methods on both sides I would not agree with
Psychotic Mongooses
14-02-2006, 19:57
I was reffering specificaly to the hunger strike ... But I am sure there are lots of methods on both sides I would not agree with
Ah. Just wondering.