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Matthew 24:

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

So eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we all die.

*eats, drinks, and bes merry*

Of course one shouldn't worry, but what's going to stop you from making bets?

The Son doesn't know? So, what is it then?

"Jesus, wake up. There's a little something I want you to do."
"But Dad, it's six in the morning."

Of course one shouldn't worry, but what's going to stop you from making bets?

Lack of money would stop me.

Lack of money would stop me.
You can still make bets. Say, I bet $100 that the end of the world will come on a Friday, thus ruining everybody's weekends. Now, we wait for the end of the world and if it's not on Friday I'll pay you $100.

was never worried to begin with

The Son doesn't know? So, what is it then?

"Jesus, wake up. There's a little something I want you to do."
"But Dad, it's six in the morning."

LMAO

personification of God, Jesus, and other peopls gods are always funny

like on family guy

Not one hair of difference separates christian and heaven's gate eschatologists.

"And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour."

- Revelation 8:1

:rolleyes:

I agree with the OP... I mean it is good to understand what is going on around us, but we should more on spreading the Gospel of Christ and not worry about will happen tommorrow..Only worry about today, and let God deal with tommorrow.

"And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour."

- Revelation 8:1

:rolleyes:


What exactly is your point, whipper snapper?

"And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour."

- Revelation 8:1

:rolleyes:
Yeah, but that was only because there was a particularly good TV show right then.

What exactly qualifies "Matt" as a predictor of the apocalypse or an interpreter of god's design?

I bet Satan( aka the prez of Iran) knows when the jews will be* UMM Umm when the end of the world will take place. *Whew*

What exactly qualifies "Matt" as a predictor of the apocalypse or an interpreter of god's design?


If by Matt, you mean Matthew, then end times prophecy is not only located there...check out the other gospels, daniel, some parts of eziekiel and of course the revelation of saint john.

If by Matt, you mean Matthew, then end times prophecy is not only located there...check out the other gospels, daniel, some parts of eziekiel and of course the revelation of saint john.

I'm just curious what makes these men prophets?

Is there some sort of prophet test or do you just have to sing the bible's praises and say some enlightened things? Because a lot of philosophers could have done that.

What exactly is your point, whipper snapper?
A bit of a let-down, don't you think? They open the seals, have the Four Horsemen on standby, the moon turned to blood and the jewish tribes packaged and ready to go, and then they open the final one and it's "Oh. Is that it?"

A bit of an anti-climax, in the style of 'Monty Python and the Life of Brian' dialogue.

Matthew 24:

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

So eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we all die.
I thought this thread was going to be good. :(

I'm just curious what makes these men prophets?

Is there some sort of prophet test or do you just have to sing the bible's praises and say some enlightened things? Because a lot of philosophers could have done that.


In the Bible a prophet does two things

1) in the OT they were used to call God's people(the jews) back to a righteouss life
2) to make predictions about the future...

Here is why these men are prophets:

People have said the end was near many times in the past—true. But did you know the Bible shows us no prophecy of the latter days meant anything until Israel was reborn into a nation? Did you know God’s Word indicates to us a generation would not pass from Israel’s rebirth, till all be fulfilled (which includes the Rapture, the Tribulation, and Jesus Christ’s return)? A generation could be as little as 40 years or as much as 70 to 80 years (Note Parable of the Fig Tree in site menu).

Many people have been preaching about the latter days of the end times in churches, on radio, TV, and through books and magazines. Some include Billy Graham, Hal Lindsey, Ray Brubaker, John Hagee, Zola Levitt, Jack Van Impe, Peter Lalonde, and Tim LaHaye just to mention a few. To those that understand the Bible, no explanation is needed. To those that are prideful, self-centered, that love this world, that despise God’s correction, that are contentious or seeking the praise of men rather than of God, no explanation is possible-ref Dan 12:4, 10; Mt 24:37, 39.

It has been said that it is virtually impossible for anyone to make 11 straight predictions, 2000 years into the future. There is only one chance in 8 x 10 to the 63rd power, or 80 with 63 zeros after it that such a thing could be done. If such a set of predictions existed, it would have to be the Word of God.

Consider, could you write eleven straight predictions that would take place in the year 4000 A.D.? Include the rebirth of a specific nation and exactly how it would be reborn. Include specific nations that would exist and certain nations that would be allied together, and the exact size of a nation’s army. Include what the people and church would be like. Also include the names of actual cities and name certain crops and fruit trees that would exist. Do eleven straight prophecies and be exactly correct on every single one. The Bible not only does this eleven times, but hundreds of times with absolute, perfect accuracy. If this is so, even the most skeptical person (that is truthful) would have to agree that there is indeed a God and the Bible has to be His Word. 2 Pet 1:20,21-KNOWING THIS FIRST, THAT NO PROPHECY OF THE SCRIPTURE IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION. FOR THE PROPHECY CAME NOT IN OLD TIME BY THE WILL OF MAN: BUT HOLY MEN OF GOD SPAKE AS THEY WERE MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST. O FOOLS, AND SLOW OF HEART TO BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN-Lk 24:25. However, believing there is a God and acknowledging the Bible is the Word of God does not save a person. A person needs to admit they are a sinner, repent, and receive Jesus Christ as their only hope of being saved. This is done by faith (or trust).

Let's prove the Bible is true and we are nearing the end of the last generation before Christ returns.

1. The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again after a long time and at a time the Bible calls the "latter days"-ref Isa 66:8; Mic 5:3; Ezek 38:8. Against what appeared to be impossible odds, this prophecy has been fulfilled. It happened as predicted on May 14, 1948 after about 2500 years. That’s 1 out of 1.
Note: Israel was destroyed in approximately 721 B.C. and Judah about 135 years later. Since that time, approximately fourteen different peoples have possessed the land of Israel. Yet as the Bible said, the nation of Israel would be reborn.
The rebirth of Israel was a key sign, indicating we had entered a time period called the "latter days." It was the beginning of a countdown leading to the Tribulation and culminating with the Battle of Armageddon and the return of Jesus. Along with the fulfillment of this crucial event are over 360 prophecies that would all come together, so we might recognize that the Tribulation is very close at hand. Some of these are listed here.
Yet the Bible foretells that most people would not believe these things, despite the overwhelming evidence of the signs from God’s Word being fulfilled exactly as predicted. As people refused to believe the flood was coming in Noah’s time, so people today willingly choose to disregard the signs of the times.

2. Israel shall be brought forth in one day, at once-ref Isa 66:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 2 out of 2.
Note: On Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the U.N. approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. On the morning of May 14, 1948 (the last day of the British mandate), a meeting of the People’s Council took place in Israel to decide on the name of the state and to finalize the declaration. At precisely 4 pm, the proclamation ceremony began at the Tel Aviv museum. The 979 Hebrew words of the Scroll of Independence were read. All stood, and the scroll was adopted. The notorious White Paper, issued by the British in 1930 restricting Jewish immigration, was declared null and void. Members of the People’s Council signed the proclamation. David Ben-Gurion rapped his gavel, declaring, "The State of Israel is established. This meeting is ended." Israel was brought forth as a nation in one day, at once, exactly as predicted. At midnight, the British soldiers and high commissioner would leave. President Truman was swift in announcing U.S. recognition of Israel. The following morning, on May 15, Israel was under attack by the Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese, Jordanian, and Iraqi forces.

3. Israel would be brought forth (or reborn) "out of the nations"-Ezek 38:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 3 out of 3.
Note: As previously stated, on Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the "United Nations" approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. This prophecy was perfectly fulfilled. Consider, for centuries the land of Israel had been occupied by many nations. Israel was "brought forth out of the nations"—the children of Israel from many nations have been returning to their ancient homeland.

4. Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19. This happened just as predicted in 1967. That’s 4 out of 4.
Note: The Bible gives us two methods so we would know the time we are in. One is by Israel’s rebirth. The other, by a precise line of events that would all come together at one time. Israel was reborn on May 14th, 1948. The Bible indicates that from Israel’s rebirth a generation would not pass till all be fulfilled. We are not setting any date; however, it seems clear from Israel’s rebirth and the signs of the times— that we are living in the generation in which the Rapture and Tribulation will come and catch most people by surprise. Are you ready?

5. The Christian church at the time of the end would be lukewarm, neither cold nor hot for Jesus. Prophecy fulfilled. That’s 5 out of 5.
Note: God will spew them out. Many ministers and people that call themselves a Christian will not be going to heaven. The Bible tells us—you have acquired wealth, but your true condition is wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked and you don’t know it-Rev 3:14-22. This is today’s church. Most preachers use little Scripture, but lots of worldly stories. Many sing a great deal, but put little emphasis on repentance, obeying, serving, and fearing God, on the fruits of the Spirit, Bible prophecy, water baptism by immersion, and studying your Bible faithfully every day. Many are only entertainment centers that teach what their members want to hear. Many (so-called Christians) are so lukewarm or dead, they don’t even bring their Bibles with them to the house of God. Some famous ministers and Bible schools think this is the best church age ever, yet the Bible clearly shows it is the worst and most deceived.

6.
The Bible gives us over 50 descriptions about the people at the time of the end. These fit the
people of today perfectly, but did not fit the people of fifty years ago. Here are some:


A. Some would depart from the faith and go into devil worship-1 Tim 4:1. This is perfect.


B. People would mock about the last days and not believe-2 Pe 3:3; Jude 18.


C. People would become lovers of themselves-2 Tim 3:1,2. Remember the TV commercials—"I
do it for me"?



D. People would be disobeying their parents-2 Tim 3:1,2.



E. People would be grateful for nothing-2 Tim 3:1,2.




F. Homosexuality would increase-Lk 17:28,30; ref Gen 19:5; Ro 1:24,26,27.




G. People would be without self-control in sex-2 Tim 3:1,2,6; Rev 9:21, Lk 17:28,30; Jude 7. Is this not the great sex generation?



H. People would love pleasures more than God-2 Tim 3:1,2,4. This is true. Shall we go on a picnic, watch football, or sleep. Church?—we can go another time. Our American motto "In God we trust" has become a joke. Remember, these were all predicted centuries ago as part of the signs that we are at the time of the end.


I. People would be taking drugs-Rev 9:21. The Greek word for sorceries, in Rev 9:21, means pharmaceuticals or drugs. God’s Word is 100% right on every one. That’s 6 out of 6. How could you have any doubts at this point?
Note: Fifty years ago, many people seldom locked their doors at night. There was little or no profanity on television, radio, or in the movies. One of the biggest problems in public school was gum chewing. Those days are long gone.


7. There would be weapons that could destroy the world-Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12. Incredibly, this prophecy was written in the days of spears and arrows, yet today it is true. That’s 7 out of 7.
Note: It is estimated that the combined nuclear arsenals of the USA and Russia (as of the year 2004) could kill every living thing on earth 6 times over.

8. The Gospel must be published in all the world-Mk 13:10. This seemingly impossible prophecy was written when there was no printing press, but today it is true. That's 8 out of 8.
Note: In this last generation, to our knowledge, the Gospel is being published (or is about to be published) in the primary language of every nation of the world or "among all nations." In addition, the Gospel is available by short-wave radio nearly everywhere in the world.

9. In the "latter days" when Israel was once again a nation, there would be a great military power to the extreme north of Israel in the land of Magog (which is modern-day Russia)-Ezek 38:2-4,8,15,16. Incredible. That’s 9 out of 9.
Note: How could the Bible have foretold the location of this nation, facts about its military, and even the time period it would come to pass? As was already said in Lk 24:25-O FOOLS, AND SLOW OF HEART TO BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN.

10. There would be a nation to the far east of Israel, to the end of the earth. This nation would have an army of 200 million. This is astounding. How could the Bible have told the location of a nation and given such a huge figure regarding the size of its army nearly 2000 years ago? China has boasted that they could field an army of this exact figure. That’s 10 out of 10.

11. There would be an economic alliance of the nations of the Old Roman Empire. It would have a military capability. This is an exact description of the European Economic Community today (the EEC), which has already adopted the one-currency system for many of their member nations. It is written, IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS (these nations, which is now) SHALL THE GOD OF HEAVEN SET UP A KINGDOM-Dan 2:44. That’s 11 out of 11. We have just reached the point that seemed impossible—11 perfect predictions made thousands of years ago—with God nothing is impossible. Certainly, at this point, even the biggest skeptic should see the Bible is true, there is a God, and we are nearing the time of the end.

About 22 prophecies in 11 sets have been given, all perfect and all written centuries ago. The chance that any person could do this 2000 years into the future is not possible. The Bible is the Word of God, and we have just proved it. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Repent and get baptized by full immersion. Read and obey the Gospel. God loves you. He is not willing that any should perish, yet many do. The Rapture is close. Most people are not ready and will not be taken. However, "YOU" cannot say you did not know. Know and understand, Mt 16:26-WHAT IS A MAN PROFITED, IF HE SHALL GAIN THE WHOLE WORLD, AND LOSE HIS OWN SOUL? OR WHAT SHALL A MAN GIVE IN EXCHANGE FOR HIS SOUL? (Note: The Encyclopedia of Bible Prophecy has the complete list of 365 prophecies.)


Note that these are just SOME of the predictions that prophets of the Bible have predicted that have came true...the are like over 300 in total i beleive...So i think thats a good enough reason to believe they have some sort of power..Not to say that psycics o soothsayer can't have it...because satan immitates the powers of God..just not as good...

Meh, you roll out enough predictions, some will be bound to be right. Not a month goes by without the bible code people taking out an ad in the papers, saying next month will be the month the UN becomes a world dictatorship and the kingdom of satan, and that this time they got it right, because last time they forgot to include the number of biblical denouncements of homosexuality in their calculations. :rolleyes:

And their interpretation is as credible as anyone else's.

So yeah, I'm not about to buy into any of that. I view it with amusement really. I mean, it's pretty arbitrary which god you worship, or whether you choose to worship one or many, or whether god even has form or expression at all.

In the Bible a prophet does two things
Note that these are just SOME of the predictions that prophets of the Bible have predicted that have came true...the are like over 300 in total i beleive...So i think thats a good enough reason to believe they have some sort of power..Not to say that psycics o soothsayer can't have it...because satan immitates the powers of God..just not as good...

A lot of those descriptions are pretty damned vague.

In the future there will be a nation in the south of the globe that will consume youthful children.

Now watch in a good amount of time there will develop a culture that might eat fetuses for a short period of time or whatever. I'm just guessing south arbitrarily just like the whole "eastern army" thing.

Their predictions completely fail to impress me.

I forgot to mention, the Prophets of the OT gave specifics of what christ ws to be like, and Christ fulfilled every single one of them..You know what the odds of that are? We'd have to live another 11 billion years to see another person like that..too bad in 10 b.y our sun will quit on us..:p

So i am sure that the prophets of the Bible know what they are talking about...Why are they prophets? God Chooses them..thats alli can say..i will also say i have had some prophetic-like visions and dreams...scary when things start to unfold in that way too.,..

Meh, you roll out enough predictions, some will be bound to be right. Not a month goes by without the bible code people taking out an ad in the papers, saying next month will be the month the UN becomes a world dictatorship and the kingdom of satan, and that this time they got it right, because last time they forgot to include the number of biblical denouncements of homosexuality in their calculations. :rolleyes:

And their interpretation is as credible as anyone else's.

So yeah, I'm not about to buy into any of that. I view it with amusement really. I mean, it's pretty arbitrary which god you worship, or whether you choose to worship one or many, or whether god even has form or expression at all.
You have no idea how true that is. My parenst are big into psychics, well not so much any more, but they used to be. They got this letter once from Fred the Psychic warning that there were going to be a lot of earthquakes in the next few years. Well, yeah. We live in California. Predicting earthquakes in California is like predicting waves in the ocean.

People think christians are a bit dodgy for using weird jargon like "end of days" and "end times."

Say "the end of the world."

I forgot to mention, the Prophets of the OT gave specifics of what christ ws to be like, and Christ fulfilled every single one of them

Skin of bronze, hair of sheep's wool? That described every person surrounding the Mediterrainian (I suck at spelling).

A lot of those descriptions are pretty damned vague.

In the future there will be a nation in the south of the globe that will consume youthful children.

Now watch in a good amount of time there will develop a culture that might eat fetuses for a short period of time or whatever. I'm just guessing south arbitrarily just like the whole "eastern army" thing.

Their predictions completely fail to impress me.


The 200,000,000 million man army to the east? You know china boasted recently they could get an army that size by recruiting...I don't think anyone else in the world could...I could get into a long ass debate about this crap...but its hard as hell to do it via the forum..if we were talking one on one IRL, im sure you'd be convinced after i was done.

The 200,000,000 million man army to the east? You know china boasted recently they could get an army that size by recruiting...I don't think anyone else in the world could...I could get into a long ass debate about this crap...but its hard as hell to do it via the forum..if we were talking one on one IRL, im sure you'd be convinced after i was done.

China has always been massive, and at some point in the future some nation will have an army around 200,000,000.

Why is it, if they have divine power, can't they give an exact number. Why all these vague estimates and locations. the east for example, that covers the whole world depending on your perspective.

I trust not the hand of man that writes the word of god.

You have no idea how true that is. My parenst are big into psychics, well not so much any more, but they used to be. They got this letter once from Fred the Psychic warning that there were going to be a lot of earthquakes in the next few years. Well, yeah. We live in California. Predicting earthquakes in California is like predicting waves in the ocean.


Ok i can talk about earthquakes.. the bible says their will be an increas of earthquakes and they would be in diverse places. Now my geology teacher told me as time goes on, the crust thickens and there is a less likely hood for earthquakes to happen...Yet as time has gone on there has been an increase in earthquakes..and good sized ones at that...i don't think one can honestly look at what the bible says about the end times and look what is going on around us and say "oh its just a coincidence.. nothing more, nothing less" thats just a bold face lie.

China has always been massive, and at some point in the future some nation will have an army around 200,000,000.

Why is it, if they have divine power, can't they give an exact number. Why all these vague estimates and locations. the east for example, that covers the whole world depending on your perspective.

I trust not the hand of man that writes the word of god.


Those that have the wisdom of God will truly understand..Thats all i have left to say.

Those that have the wisdom of God will truly understand..Thats all i have left to say.
Godmoder. :headbang:

Those that have the wisdom of God will truly understand..Thats all i have left to say.

I have my own wisdom that is independent of the lies and the agenda of those who tell me what god is. God can be trusted, but not man. God above anything knows this.

Ok i can talk about earthquakes.. the bible says their will be an increas of earthquakes and they would be in diverse places. Now my geology teacher told me as time goes on, the crust thickens and there is a less likely hood for earthquakes to happen...Yet as time has gone on there has been an increase in earthquakes..and good sized ones at that...i don't think one can honestly look at what the bible says about the end times and look what is going on around us and say "oh its just a coincidence.. nothing more, nothing less" thats just a bold face lie.
You're going to have to back that up with stats. Remeber, the fact that you hear about them more often is a reflection of information technology, not an increase in earthquake frequency.

I have my own wisdom that is independent of the lies and the agenda of those who tell me what god is. God can be trusted, but not man. God above anything knows this.


And if God speaks through man and tells him to write divine tellings? Then is that man not to be trusted, simply because he is a man?

And if God speaks through man and tells him to write divine tellings? Then is that man not to be trusted, simply because he is a man?

No, because every human is in someway going to consider their own well being.

And the fact that the 3 "major" religions have yet to agree is only proof of this.

Ok i can talk about earthquakes.. the bible says their will be an increas of earthquakes and they would be in diverse places. Now my geology teacher told me as time goes on, the crust thickens and there is a less likely hood for earthquakes to happen...Yet as time has gone on there has been an increase in earthquakes..and good sized ones at that...i don't think one can honestly look at what the bible says about the end times and look what is going on around us and say "oh its just a coincidence.. nothing more, nothing less" thats just a bold face lie.
This graph says you're wrong...

http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/GRAPHIC0/SEISMOL/N-Eqks.gif

You're going to have to back that up with stats. Remeber, the fact that you hear about them more often is a reflection of information technology, not an increase in earthquake frequency.


http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/eqstats.html

check out the table "world wide earthquakes"

look at the totals...look how there has been a slight increase from 2000-2005...even though 2005 was decresed, it was still more than the starting date....

also...people look at the weather! when in history has it been this crazy..., it has snowed, iced, rained, and been sunny...in the same day...thats not the only time its happened this year either...don't even let me remind you how many hurricanes we had last year...im telling you people.open your eyes

I forgot to mention, the Prophets of the OT gave specifics of what christ ws to be like, and Christ fulfilled every single one of them..You know what the odds of that are? We'd have to live another 11 billion years to see another person like that..too bad in 10 b.y our sun will quit on us..:p

So i am sure that the prophets of the Bible know what they are talking about...Why are they prophets? God Chooses them..thats alli can say..i will also say i have had some prophetic-like visions and dreams...scary when things start to unfold in that way too.,..
I've had insightful dreams and thoughts of wisdom that have come in useful in the near future. That's not the same as prophecy. He who blurs that distinction paths the way to self-idolatry.

Christ fulfilled prophecies. He may indeed have fulfilled all of them. All that tells us is that the God of Christ chose to fulfil them; not that he gave those prophecies in the first place.

also...people look at the weather! when in history has it been this crazy..., it has snowed, iced, rained, and been sunny...in the same day...thats not the only time its happened this year either...don't even let me remind you how many hurricanes we had last year...im telling you people.open your eyes
Climate change or natural variation.

Those that have the wisdom of God will truly understand..Thats all i have left to say.
I, like many others, do understand. Which is why we disagree. That's all I have to say.

also...people look at the weather! when in history has it been this crazy..., it has snowed, iced, rained, and been sunny...in the same day...thats not the only time its happened this year either...don't even let me remind you how many hurricanes we had last year...im telling you people.open your eyes

One of those volcanic explosions that nearly destroyed the earth top all of our "crazy" climatic conditions combined.

My eyes are open while yours are hell bent on reading.

"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come."

Doesn't this technically mean that we should always be watching for the apocalpse?

No, because every human is in someway going to consider their own well being.

And the fact that the 3 "major" religions have yet to agree is only proof of this.


the three will never agree...one will be completly destoyed within the next few years....i think you know which one that is.. Somewhere in Genesis that is prophesized..."the descendant of ishmael will be a wild people, hated by the world" and i think it says the world would draws swords on them or somtehing..no for sure..but that is clearly talking about Islam....look at how much the world is starting to hate them...

what is this 17 vs me? :p

Obviously neither side is going to give ground, so why continue to argue about it. You believe what you wish, and I the same. That way no one is bitter in the end.

the three will never agree...one will be completly destoyed within the next few years....i think you know which one that is.. Somewhere in Genesis that is prophesized..."the descendant of ishmael will be a wild people, hated by the world" and i think it says the world would draws swords on them or somtehing..no for sure..but that is clearly talking about Islam....look at how much the world is starting to hate them...

If this was 1935 and I were German I would bet the farm that was talking about the Jews. Organized Religion is nothing more than a tool, and I'll admit it workds incredibly well.

what is this 17 vs me? :p
Dunno about you, but I reckon there're at least 3 sides in this discussion.

God will fulfil prophecies only to pander to Christians. There is no value in doing so beyond giving you your sense of smug self-satisfaction.

If this was 1935 and I were German I would bet the farm that was talking about the Jews. Organized Religion is nothing more than a tool, and I'll admit it workds incredibly well.


Explain how that would be talking in any way about jews? It said descendants of ISHMAEL...Jews are descendants of ISAAC..big difference there

Dunno about you, but I reckon there're at least 3 sides in this discussion.

God will fulfil prophecies only to pander to Christians. There is no value in doing so beyond giving you your sense of smug self-satisfaction.


smug self-satisfaction??? now thats not nice.

smug self-satisfaction??? now thats not nice.
That's what it would be though. Seals open, beast revealed, plagues and natural disasters swarm... the response would be something along the lines of "I told you so."

the three will never agree...one will be completly destoyed within the next few years....i think you know which one that is.. Somewhere in Genesis that is prophesized..."the descendant of ishmael will be a wild people, hated by the world" and i think it says the world would draws swords on them or somtehing..no for sure..but that is clearly talking about Islam....look at how much the world is starting to hate them...


I'll bet you all the gold I can buy with the combined credit of every credit card I can get, plus the value of everything I own, against the same of yours, that Islam will not be completely destroyed in the next few years.

You talk the faith talk, but do you walk the faith walk? ;)

That's what it would be though. Seals open, beast revealed, plagues and natural disasters swarm... the response would be something along the lines of "I told you so."


Well I guess one could look at it from that perspective...I think ,however, when all these things are let loose, God will not be like hahahaha...He will be like;"There is still some time until the ultimate end. You have seen what I can do,you can avoid all of that" Now I am not God, nor do I know that He would say that exactly, but from what I know of my relationship with God, that sort of statement is probable, not "I told ya so..nananananana"

**edit note** coincidently this was my 666th post :p

I'll bet you all the gold I can buy with the combined credit of every credit card I can get, plus the value of everything I own, against the same of yours, that Islam will not be completely destroyed in the next few years.
I disagree quite severly. And when I am done writing why, I will post it on NS General, and I'll be sure to have ATTN New granada :)

You talk the faith talk, but do you walk the faith walk? ;)


Well, I try my best to walk the faith walk, although i screw up alot. I know i do that. But, hey, I am working on it, taking it step by step, letting God hold my hand the whole way.

Well I guess one could look at it from that perspective...I think ,however, when all these things are let loose, God will not be like hahahaha...He will be like;"There is still some time until the ultimate end. You have seen what I can do,you can avoid all of that" Now I am not God, nor do I know that He would say that exactly, but from what I know of my relationship with God, that sort of statement is probable, not "I told ya so..nananananana"

You've never read the bible have you?

Jehova is a brute, a merciless savage, a killer of children.

I disagree quite severly. And when I am done writing why, I will post it on NS General, and I'll be sure to have ATTN New granada :)




Well, I try my best to walk the faith walk, although i screw up alot. I know i do that. But, hey, I am working on it, taking it step by step, letting God hold my hand the whole way.


Walking the faith walk means drawing a contract up with me to pay me X ammount if Islam isnt destroyed and vice versa.

You've never read the bible have you?

Jehova is a brute, a merciless savage, a killer of children.


The God of the old testament was more justice prone. But in the NT we see the more personal and caring side of him. The side I know of HIm

You've never read the bible have you?

Jehova is a brute, a merciless savage, a killer of children.
Doesn't mean that's what God's like. It's just what a coupl'a people said about him. I wouldn't believe them when they say "Ours is the One True God" if I were you.

Walking the faith walk means drawing a contract up with me to pay me X ammount if Islam isnt destroyed and vice versa.


I don't make bets..Gambling is against my faith ;)

The God of the old testament was more justice prone. But in the NT we see the more personal and caring side of him. The side I know of HIm


Punishing innocent people is categorically unjust.

Punishing innocent people is categorically unjust.


Who are we to criticize God's will? Maybe with His divine insight he realized that those he punished would only further scar the world? Who knows? He is God and I am not. As crappy as that sounds, that's just the way things are.

I don't make bets..Gambling is against my faith ;)


Actions speak a lot louder than words, cherie, I see where you stand on "walking the walk."

Who are we to criticize God's will? Maybe with His divine insight he realized that those he punished would only further scar the world? Who knows? He is God and I am not. As crappy as that sounds, that's just the way things are.


I would like your coat zilam, you'll need to email me to get my address so you can send it.

Ummm.

In my experience the left behind people are not worried but exited. They want the end of the world.

I would like your coat zilam, you'll need to email me to get my address so you can send it.


Now, I like my coat too much. You, on the other hand, can have my cold. I really don't want it.

Ummm.

In my experience the left behind people are not worried but exited. They want the end of the world.


I wouldn't trust the left behind people. just me though

Now, I like my coat too much. You, on the other hand, can have my cold. I really don't want it.


Who are you to question god's commandments?

You may like your coat, but jesus said you have to give it to me.

Email me at nkvd_agent@yahoo.com to get my address.

I'll take a picture when it comes so the forum can see that you're actually a christian.

Actions speak a lot louder than words, cherie, I see where you stand on "walking the walk."

That is exactly why I will not gamble. People will see that my action of not doing that is walking the walk.

Walking the walk and blatantly disobeying God are two totally different things.

Who are you to question god's commandments?

You may like your coat, but jesus said you have to give it to me.

Email me at nkvd_agent@yahoo.com to get my address.

I'll take a picture when it comes so the forum can see that you're actually a christian.


How does my giving you a coat(which obviously you don't need in phoenix), make me a christian? Im not understanding your logic

http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/eqstats.html

check out the table "world wide earthquakes"

look at the totals...look how there has been a slight increase from 2000-2005...even though 2005 was decresed, it was still more than the starting date....

also...people look at the weather! when in history has it been this crazy..., it has snowed, iced, rained, and been sunny...in the same day...thats not the only time its happened this year either...don't even let me remind you how many hurricanes we had last year...im telling you people.open your eyes
I'm sorry, but to show me there has been an increase in earthquakes I'm going to need a baseline of a LOT longer than five years. The graph I posted at least has 100 years and shows no increase above the norm. Really it should be thousands of years if not hundreds of thousands. Actually, millions.

How does my giving you a coat(which obviously you don't need in phoenix), make me a christian? Im not understanding your logic

In Matthew, in the Bible, Jesus gives a sermon called the "Sermon on the Mount."

You might want to give it a look-see while you're figuring out whether God would rather you save money and use Parcel Post or me get it quickly with Priority Mail.

New Granada, email coming your way..I'll give you my coat.

Well I guess one could look at it from that perspective...I think ,however, when all these things are let loose, God will not be like hahahaha...He will be like;"There is still some time until the ultimate end. You have seen what I can do,you can avoid all of that" Now I am not God, nor do I know that He would say that exactly, but from what I know of my relationship with God, that sort of statement is probable, not "I told ya so..nananananana"
The point I was making was that the only reason for God to do things as outlined in prophecy is in response to Christianity. It's not about God's amusement or his limitations; after all, a click of the finger (assuming a Christian view of God) would get things sorted out. He could do it however he wanted, so why do it in the way people are expecting him to?

The reason I don't think the prophecies of either end-times or Christ are god-given is precisely that; their value is entirely limited to the people that believe them. That doesn't mean they won't come true. After all, an Omnipotent God could fulfil even the most ridiculous lying garbage if it caught his fancy. But there's no importance or meaning to them beyond that sort of pre-emptive smugness. Why would God bother going through all the trouble of passing along the message just to give a couple of people that self-righteous gloat when things happen? It seems pointless to me.

In Matthew, in the Bible, Jesus gives a sermon called the "Sermon on the Mount."

You might want to give it a look-see while you're figuring out whether God would rather you save money and use Parcel Post or me get it quickly with Priority Mail.

Now, you are just making mockery

In Matthew, in the Bible, Jesus gives a sermon called the "Sermon on the Mount."

You might want to give it a look-see while you're figuring out whether God would rather you save money and use Parcel Post or me get it quickly with Priority Mail.
Sermon on the Mount, though wise, was directed primarily at the people of Israel.

Plus, you need to successfully sue the shirt off his back for the coat thing to work. ^^;

The point I was making was that the only reason for God to do things as outlined in prophecy is in response to Christianity. It's not about God's amusement or his limitations; after all, a click of the finger (assuming a Christian view of God) would get things sorted out. He could do it however he wanted, so why do it in the way people are expecting him to?

The reason I don't think the prophecies of either end-times or Christ are god-given is precisely that; their value is entirely limited to the people that believe them. That doesn't mean they won't come true. After all, an Omnipotent God could fulfil even the most ridiculous lying garbage if it caught his fancy. But there's no importance or meaning to them beyond that sort of pre-emptive smugness. Why would God bother going through all the trouble of passing along the message just to give a couple of people that self-righteous gloat when things happen? It seems pointless to me.


Well, you make a very good point, and that is your view. I still disagree though, because of what my view is.

Sermon on the Mount, though wise, was directed primarily at the people of Israel.

Plus, you need to successfully sue the shirt off his back for the coat thing to work. ^^;

1)What a dirty cop out, you should be ashamed.

2)I think the notion is more of "would sue." Remember, jesus is a hard-core surrender monkey in the sermon on the mount.


3) Z---- did indeed email me, and I hope he takes the money he would have spent shipping his coat to 80 degree phoenix, AZ and gives it to a bum or to charity.

1)What a dirty cop out, you should be ashamed.

2)I think the notion is more of "would sue." Remember, jesus is a hard-core surrender monkey in the sermon on the mount.


3) Z---- did indeed email me, and I hope he takes the money he would have spent shipping his coat to 80 degree phoenix, AZ and gives it to a bum or to charity.


No, you want my coat so darn bad, you are going to get it. Now email me your adress. You want me to "prove" i am a christian through that way. I am as serious as a heart attack.

The Son doesn't know? So, what is it then?

"Jesus, wake up. There's a little something I want you to do."
"But Dad, it's six in the morning."


na more like
*jesus : erm... dad doesnt mass genocide sorta fragg up the first commandment u know... that shalt not kill... i think it goes like that...

*god : who gives a dammn they wrote the book i dont even rember making any rules do u think a cat asks a mouse if it would mind being ripped apart in terrible pain? ..... no so shutteth thy gobbeth i have work to do the world doesnt revolve round you u know!

1)What a dirty cop out, you should be ashamed.
Why? If you've read it, you'd notice that. Matthew 5, verses 17-20 clearly state that the Laws of Leviticus apply to the listeners, and that a break of these commandments results in one being "The Least of the Kingdom of Heaven". That isn't the case of Christianity, where breaking any sort of law results in exclusion from heaven and that Jesus himself came to overcome the law through his sacrifice.

Completly off subject..but i just noticed i have been on here for over half the day...

No, you want my coat so darn bad, you are going to get it. Now email me your adress. You want me to "prove" i am a christian through that way. I am as serious as a heart attack.


So you'd rather I give it to charity?

No, you want my coat so darn bad, you are going to get it. Now email me your adress. You want me to "prove" i am a christian through that way. I am as serious as a heart attack.

Well I don't think anyone can accuse you of not 'walking the walk' now. :)

I read somewhere that the re-building of the temple in Jerusalem, where the Holy Rock is will be the first sign of the end times. I'm not sure though so don't quote me on that.

Why? If you've read it, you'd notice that. Matthew 5, verses 17-20 clearly state that the Laws of Leviticus apply to the listeners, and that a break of these commandments results in one being "The Least of the Kingdom of Heaven". That isn't the case of Christianity, where breaking any sort of law results in exclusion from heaven and that Jesus himself came to overcome the law through his sacrifice.


I'm sure jesus will say "nice try slick rick" before he tosses you into hell when you die.

I read somewhere that the re-building of the temple in Jerusalem, where the Holy Rock is will be the first sign of the end times. I'm not sure though so don't quote me on that.


Well it is a sign of the last times...But unfortunatly I don't think that it will be rebuilt until palestine is in a complete civil war(then pwnd by Israel) or when Islam is completly destroyed