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On Friday I Learned That When I Go To High School Next Year, I Will Be Required To Wear An ID Card Around Campus. If I Don't, Punishments Will Include Detention, Saturday School, Suspension, Etc. Apparently, If The People Who Walk Around Campus Checking For ID Cards Can't See My ID Card, Even If I Am Wearing One, It Counts As Not Wearing One. Personally, I Think This Is The Stupidest Idea I've Seen. It's Supposed To Keep Intruders Off Campus. I Have No Idea HOW This Will Possibly Keep Intruders Off Campus. So, What Are Your Thoughts On This Situation?

On Friday I Learned That When I Go To High School Next Year, I Will Be Required To Wear An ID Card Around Campus.
Join the club; my HS in NJ is starting the same policy next year..

On Friday I Learned That When I Go To High School Next Year, I Will Be Required To Wear An ID Card Around Campus. If I Don't, Punishments Will Include Detention, Saturday School, Suspension, Etc. Apparently, If The People Who Walk Around Campus Checking For ID Cards Can't See My ID Card, Even If I Am Wearing One, It Counts As Not Wearing One. Personally, I Think This Is The Stupidest Idea I've Seen. It's Supposed To Keep Intruders Off Campus. I Have No Idea HOW This Will Possibly Keep Intruders Off Campus. So, What Are Your Thoughts On This Situation?
We were required to keep school ID's with us (not necessary to wear them) and that was 9 years ago(when I started). Not really a bad thing to make sure students are actually students.

On Friday I Learned That When I Go To High School Next Year, I Will Be Required To Wear An ID Card Around Campus. If I Don't, Punishments Will Include Detention, Saturday School, Suspension, Etc. Apparently, If The People Who Walk Around Campus Checking For ID Cards Can't See My ID Card, Even If I Am Wearing One, It Counts As Not Wearing One. Personally, I Think This Is The Stupidest Idea I've Seen. It's Supposed To Keep Intruders Off Campus. I Have No Idea HOW This Will Possibly Keep Intruders Off Campus. So, What Are Your Thoughts On This Situation?

Sounds like somebody worked for the goverment. For example in AeroDefense you have to have your emp badge in view at all times.


You might be able to argue that you only have to have the id on your person. In fact its better that way as it would make the teachers take notice of people they don't recognise.

Can't quote the source but somebody once found that eventually people start looking for the design of the badge rather then reviewing it. As with certain companies the security people will look at your badge.

You are leaving out details BTW. Schools take up policies for a reason (usually) what made them install this policy?

You are leaving out details BTW. Schools take up policies for a reason (usually) what made them install this policy?
No F---ing Idea. Maybe The Fact That I'm In ROTC Will Alter This Policy A Bit... I Doubt It, But Ya Never Know.

When I was in highschool the ID card thing didn't bother me at all, what bothered me was them searching my bag without probable cause or a warrant.

Oh bitch bitch bitch, you're going to have ID cards sooner or later anyways. Either at High School, college, at your job etc. Get use to the idea of having at least one ID card.

"High School: Compulsory ID Cards? WTF?!?!"

OMG! What a totally unbearable imposition! U must have teh Nazi administration! Oh noes!!!!ONE11111!! :rolleyes:

When I was in highschool the ID card thing didn't bother me at all, what bothered me was them searching my bag without probable cause or a warrant.
Tell Me Your Kidding Me Smunkee. Is That Even Legal? I Highly Doubt It. Random Bag Searches? That's Just Wrong.

We have ID cards at my school. I haven't worn one in two or three years, but megh.

Tell Me Your Kidding Me Smunkee. Is That Even Legal? I Highly Doubt It. Random Bag Searches? That's Just Wrong.
they scanned all of us, and then searched some of our bags, they also had drug dogs sniff at our lockers. They would dump my bag and take my stuff from me, my compass for geometry (could be a weapon) my ink pens (had prescription drug names on them, could be promoting drug use) my inhaler (could be used to get high) my shoe strings (said "porn star" on them, could be promoting sex) :rolleyes:

The one time the drug dogs did stop on my locker and the police officer asked me to open it, I refused. He got mad and said he could "make me open it" and I said he needed to get a warrant. He called my mom, who called my lawyer, who told me that if he had the right to open it he would have, but since he asked I was well within my rights to refuse.

Things got a lot worse for me after that.

they scanned all of us, and then searched some of our bags, they also had drug dogs sniff at our lockers. They would dump my bag and take my stuff from me, my compass for geometry (could be a weapon) my ink pens (had prescription drug names on them, could be promoting drug use) my inhaler (could be used to get high) my shoe strings (said "porn star" on them, could be promoting sex) :rolleyes:

The one time the drug dogs did stop on my locker and the police officer asked me to open it, I refused. He got mad and said he could "make me open it" and I said he needed to get a warrant. He called my mom, who called my lawyer, who told me that if he had the right to open it he would have, but since he asked I was well within my rights to refuse.

Things got a lot worse for me after that.
Last One You Mentioned, Not Suprised. Took Your Inhaler? What If You Have A F---ing Athsma Attack? Jesus Christ, If They Take My Inhaler, They Should Get Ready To Pay A LARGE Amount Of Death Benefits To My Family. If They Take Your Compass, Then How In The Hell Are You Supposed To Do Your Work? Ink Pens, Ehh, Just Don't Get Ink Pens Which Have Drug Names On Them. Well, If They Do That In My School, I'm Not Going To Sit Down And Read My Book All The Time. They Should Know There Are Higher Powers Out There. They're Called The Supreme Court Justices.

Well if teachers can steal, I mean "confiscate" possessions from their pupils, I don't see why kids would be given any other civil rights.

Meh. We have ID cards, told we had to have them, or armaggeddon would befall.

After a week, noone was wearing them.

Ehh, Just Don't Get Ink Pens Which Have Drug Names On Them.

I didn't have extra $ to buy ink pens (pathetic I know) so my neighbor who was a nurse would bring me pens that drug reps would give to the doctor's office she worked at, like I had a prozac pen, a phen-fen pen, ect.

I didn't have extra $ to buy ink pens (pathetic I know) so my neighbor who was a nurse would bring me pens that drug reps would give to the doctor's office she worked at, like I had a prozac pen, a phen-fen pen, ect.
I got busted once for having a highlighter from a drug company

My cousin works as a drug retailer (so he goes around to pharmacies and such) so he had all the cool things like triangle shaped three color highlighters

My bad for thinking it was cool lol

All I did was take some electrical tape and cover the logo up

I got busted once for having a highlighter from a drug company

My cousin works as a drug retailer (so he goes around to pharmacies and such) so he had all the cool things like triangle shaped three color highlighters

My bad for thinking it was cool lol

All I did was take some electrical tape and cover the logo up
I have one of those triangle highlighters it says Prilosec on it ;) I am still getting drug pens, I have a deal with my doctor. ;) I am still trying to get the Viagra clock. :p

I have one of those triangle highlighters it says Prilosec on it ;) I am still getting drug pens, I have a deal with my doctor. ;) I am still trying to get the Viagra clock. :p
Lol I managed to get one when I was like 10 Lol I had no idea what it was but I still had it

Funny thing is my parents while hard workers had plenty of money for whatever we needed ... but thoes pens and clocks and such were still cooler lol

I have one of those triangle highlighters it says Prilosec on it ;) I am still getting drug pens, I have a deal with my doctor. ;) I am still trying to get the Viagra clock. :p
no no no...go for the Viagra tie. It is really nice...gold background with these little blue diamonds with rounded sides that all say "pfizer" in them.

The drug companies have gotten very high tech recently...they have light up pens now. Made econ bearable.

btw, schools do not have to follow any search laws now. Had that locker thing happened today, they can open your locker legally, search it, and take whatever they want. It would be supported by the courts.

I remember ID's, they were introduced my freshman year. First we had to have them on around our necks, but no one did that so we just had to have them clipped on. No one did that either, so by my junior year, we only had to have them on us. It was part of a new security "initiative", along with requiring mesh backpacks and metal detectors. Load of crap, really, since the only crime that ever took place there happened over the weekend once when someone broke in and stole all of the trophies.

I was also supposed to give my inhaler to the school nurse because no one was allowed to carry around drugs, prescription or otherwise. My inhaler stayed with me, though, because that nurse was never at the school for three days out of five, and I did not want to play the odds when it came to an asthma attack.

Things got a lot worse for me after that.
Oh, c'mon! Don't leave us like that! What was in your locker? A sausage? What happened after that? Did you sue the school?

Tell Me Your Kidding Me Smunkee. Is That Even Legal? I Highly Doubt It. Random Bag Searches? That's Just Wrong.

It's perfectly legal. See, it's in the school's rules. It's like when I drive on base. I know that my person and vehicle are inspectable at any time. I could be driving down the road on my way to work, do absolutely nothing wrong, and be pulled over and searched.

Not to mention that being under the age of 18, you're not considered a 'citizen' enough to be covered by the US Constitution... In fact, lots of laws dont apply to minors...

Man, I'm glad I never had to deal with any of that on my highschool.. What's the world coming to..

Schools do not have to adhere to probable cause.

What they go by is "reasonable suspicion".

I.E., if I say, "Faster than a speeding bullet" and a school official hears "I'm bringing a bullet" they have every right to search me, and probably everyone around me too.

The one time the drug dogs did stop on my locker and the police officer asked me to open it, I refused. He got mad and said he could "make me open it" and I said he needed to get a warrant. He called my mom, who called my lawyer, who told me that if he had the right to open it he would have, but since he asked I was well within my rights to refuse.

This is absolutely correct. Police officers (even the ones working for a school) must adhere to probable cause.

However, a school official could have forced you to open it.

Hah! Oh man, you wacky Americans just get crazier by the day. Are your children really that dangerous? :p

I faintly remember being required to wear an ID when I was in school. I think I lost mine during orientation my senior year.

The only problem with school I had was then they put a gate guard at the student parking lot. But like all stupid school rules, there was a work around. Park off campus! And that we did. Froze my butt off every winter morning walking 2 blocks to school, just so I could enjoy a sack of ten...(mmmhmmm white castle) at lunch. oh well now my 10 year reunion will be this summer. And we'll all reminisce about all the stupid things we did just to avert the school rules.

Oh, c'mon! Don't leave us like that! What was in your locker? A sausage? What happened after that? Did you sue the school?
I had skittles and meth in my locker. I don't know which one the dog was all excited about, because the dog was highly attracted to my friend once and he had skittles....that was all....just skittles.

I didn't sue the school, I had no grounds to sue them, what was I going to sue them for not opening my locker without a warrant, or finding my meth if I did open it?

I had skittles and meth in my locker. I don't know which one the dog was all excited about, because the dog was highly attracted to my friend once and he had skittles....that was all....just skittles.

I didn't sue the school, I had no grounds to sue them, what was I going to sue them for not opening my locker without a warrant, or finding my meth if I did open it?
Why Did You Have Meth In Your Locker?

Why Did You Have Meth In Your Locker?
because when you are addicted to drugs, sometimes you forget to take them out of your bag before you go to school

because when you are addicted to drugs, sometimes you forget to take them out of your bag before you go to school
Wow, Smunkeeville, I'd Never Thought YOU'D Be Addicited To Drugs When You Were In High School!

Wow, Smunkeeville, I'd Never Thought YOU'D Be Addicited To Drugs When You Were In High School!
I actually started using them when I was about 12, I had a crappy childhood and didn't deal with it well, at all. Drug addiction can happen to anyone, it's best to not ever do drugs........ever. I have been clean and sober for 7 years. :D

Could some one please summarize the original post for me. This looked like an interesting topic, but I do not have any aspirin with me to facilitate the reading of Ritlina's posts.

Wow, we just have ID cards for little things like registration, checking out books, tardy passes, etc...

But as far as I know, teachers themselves cannot open your bag and search it unless you open it for them (They trick/intimidate you into doing this, they'll never tell you that they cannot search it without your indirect permission).

But the assistant principal did came in one day with security and searched all our bags once...

I actually started using them when I was about 12, I had a crappy childhood and didn't deal with it well, at all. Drug addiction can happen to anyone, it's best to not ever do drugs........ever. I have been clean and sober for 7 years. :D
I Personally Would NEVER Do Drugs. But If You Want To, That's Your Choice. Good Job For Being Clean, Though.

I think americans are to obsessed with security. I don't even support the idea of airport metal detectors.

I think americans are to obsessed with security. I don't even support the idea of airport metal detectors.
Eh, not really. It's just the administration/s going insane worrying over losing their power in a way as a contributing factor.

I Personally Would NEVER Do Drugs. But If You Want To, That's Your Choice. Good Job For Being Clean, Though.
I will never do them again. I have some kind of personality flaw that makes me prone to addictive behavior, I have to be really careful to set limits for myself, it's not easy to set those limits "under the influence" so I don't do drugs at all anymore, even after I had surgery I was wary of taking the narcotic pain relievers they gave me, I would rather be in really bad physical pain than to be addicted to darvocet.

Eh, not really. It's just the administration/s going insane worrying over losing their power in a way as a contributing factor.
it's not a "Bush" thing, I remember having metal detectors, searches, and ID's in junior high, way back when Clinton was in his first term:eek:

Eh, not really. It's just the administration/s going insane worrying over losing their power in a way as a contributing factor.
well, that explains why it mostly public owned places that have unreasonably high security.

it's not a "Bush" thing, I remember having metal detectors, searches, and ID's in junior high, way back when Clinton was in his first term:eek:
Its not just bush. Its the USA goverment as a whole.

On Friday I Learned That When I Go To High School Next Year, I Will Be Required To Wear An ID Card Around Campus. If I Don't, Punishments Will Include Detention, Saturday School, Suspension, Etc. Apparently, If The People Who Walk Around Campus Checking For ID Cards Can't See My ID Card, Even If I Am Wearing One, It Counts As Not Wearing One. Personally, I Think This Is The Stupidest Idea I've Seen. It's Supposed To Keep Intruders Off Campus. I Have No Idea HOW This Will Possibly Keep Intruders Off Campus. So, What Are Your Thoughts On This Situation?My old school had (still has) a type of ID card. For the kids in Vorschule (kindergarden). They have a little placard that tells the teachers their name, phone number, and comes in the shape of a foot, car, or bus, depending on how they get home.
But then again, it depends on the size of a school, I suppose. Mine had 1,700 students in all, from Vorschule to 13th grade.

it's not a "Bush" thing, I remember having metal detectors, searches, and ID's in junior high, way back when Clinton was in his first term:eek:
Well, I mean fear of losing power going down all the way to school district administrations...

I think there's something wrong here if President Clinton controlled the way your school operated :eek:

Well, I mean fear of losing power going down all the way to school district administrations...

I think there's something wrong here if President Clinton controlled the way your school operated :eek:
yeah, sorry, gut reaction. Most people I have talked to lately about the school security thing blame it on Bush and his "post 9/11 crazy-ness"

yeah, sorry, gut reaction. Most people I have talked to lately about the school security thing blame it on Bush and his "post 9/11 crazy-ness"
Eh, nah. I mean, if I was baby-sitting a group of 5-yr-old kids and one of them looked like he was about to pull a knife on me, I'd have some strict bedtimes for them.

yeah, sorry, gut reaction. Most people I have talked to lately about the school security thing blame it on Bush and his "post 9/11 crazy-ness"
I won't say schools have it that way, but most of the stuff comes from that.

I won't say schools have it that way, but most of the stuff comes from that.
I don't think so. Maybe the airline stuff, but not much else. I got searched on my way into Ozzfest when I was 6, then I get searched on my way into a concert last May and I hear all these comments about how it's a "post 9/11 world" and how "Bush is making my life suck, I hate being searched, I hate the administration"

I think all that school-security/zero-tolerance crap started around the time of Columbine and all those other school shootings, way before 9-11.

I don't think so. Maybe the airline stuff, but not much else. I got searched on my way into Ozzfest when I was 6, then I get searched on my way into a concert last May and I hear all these comments about how it's a "post 9/11 world" and how "Bush is making my life suck, I hate being searched, I hate the administration"
Still, the thing though is, that much of this is because of bush, and how he attacked america, and wrote a report that is not true, and does not agree with any of the laws of physics,, just so it would look like someone else did it. And the fact that is mostly just america shows that its because of the USA government. After all, in poland there are "nothing to declare" lines in the customs section.

I think all that school-security/zero-tolerance crap started around the time of Columbine and all those other school shootings, way before 9-11.
still, all the other stuff is diffrerent.

(Oh, dear, not another "deja vu from my old high school" thread...)

Tally one more person for the "had to wear ID's around the neck for at least part of high school" crowd. My old high school had already required students to carry ID's at all times; the official reason for requiring us to wear them around our necks involved reports of students from the across-town high school coming to my old high school to see friends, but I think the massive brawl that sent my old high school into lockdown the year before might have had something to do with the decision (not to mention the bathroom arsonist that managed to light up three restrooms and tried to burn 22 others the semester before the policy was implemented)... :eek:

Regardless, within two weeks of the policy's implementation less than 10% of my schoolmates were wearing ID's on lanyards. I recommend keeping the lanyards around, however... not only will they help if the school decides to actually enforce the lanyard policy, but they make great keychains for use at college dorms! :D

I think all that school-security/zero-tolerance crap started around the time of Columbine and all those other school shootings, way before 9-11.
in the suburbs, yes, columbine was the trigger. In the cities, hell no. There were stabbings in my elementary school before I moved. We moved because the middle school had certain bathrooms that were controled by gangs, and if you used them, they would beat you up. going into the public library, my mother told me not to make eye contact...making eye contact made you a witness to their drug deals. I actually got locked inside the library because of a gun fight out side. That was a regular thing. And this was a good 10 years before Columbine.

This is the state of nuttery in the USA. Wow. When I have kids they're going home-schooled or private. F-ck this. This is craziness. "Intruders" !? WTF does That mean? Warped as hell.

This is the state of nuttery in the USA. Wow. When I have kids they're going home-schooled or private. F-ck this. This is craziness. "Intruders" !? WTF does That mean? Warped as hell.
I find it funny, just as people are freaking out like crazy about how we need insane craploads of security, others are freaking out like crazy about instances here and there and calling it a national epidemic. :D