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As a peace-loving devout North African muslim, it is clear to me why these infidels should stop inhabiting lands such as South Africa and only corrupt Europe with their ideals.

Take for example the state of South Africa. It was an exemplary nation, with a great climate and happy peoples with a relaxed agricultural lifestyle. Then, the Europeans in their greed for land decided to occupy the country and bring it to war. Then, the pigs started fighting for the land amongst each other, bringing disruption and chaos. They disrupted the peaceful African tribes living there.

Today, much of Africa's poverty can be traced back in history to European occupation. They have brought corruption and greed to the formerly peaceful and noble peoples living there. Is it only a coincidence, that Liberia, one of the few black run nations, is also one of the most successful ones in southern Africa? I think not.

It is time for these infidels to give up their wrongful grips on this territory and let the native people living there thrive without their capitalist corruption.

Edit: I also heard of Tony Blair's plan to recapture South Africa. This is
disgusting...

As a peace-loving devout North African muslim, it is clear to me why these infidels should stop inhabiting lands such as South Africa and only corrupt Europe with their ideals.

Take for example the state of South Africa. It was an exemplary nation, with a great climate and happy peoples with a relaxed agricultural lifestyle. Then, the Europeans in their greed for land decided to occupy the country and bring it to war. Then, the pigs started fighting for the land amongst each other, bringing disruption and chaos. They disrupted the peaceful African tribes living there.

Today, much of Africa's poverty can be traced back in history to European occupation. They have brought corruption and greed to the formerly peaceful and noble peoples living there. Is it only a coincidence, that Liberia, one of the few black run nations, is also one of the most successful ones in southern Africa? I think not.

It is time for these infidels to give up their wrongful grips on this territory and let the native people living there thrive without their capitalist corruption.

Edit: I also heard of Tony Blair's plan to recapture South Africa. This is
disgusting...
Wait, if you want Europeans to leave Africa, do you want Africans to leave europe? That would seem fair.

They have no power there, so no, it does not seem fair.

This should be good.

*grabs popcorn*

Is it only a coincidence, that Liberia, one of the few black run nations, is also one of the most successful ones in southern Africa? I think not.

And here I thought Liberia has been in an almost constant state of civil war since 1989. I guess the meaning of the words "most successful" is open to interpretation.

Being a South African who now lives in Europe, I would have to tell you that many of us would be glad to leave Africa and leave it all to you.

Your tribes can begin warring again with each other, the corrupt government can make a mess of it by imposing policies that have proven to fail in other African nations and the nation's economy can plummet. Then you can blame yourselves. You can live in the mess you perpetuated.

They have no power there, so no, it does not seem fair.

So only the white people in charge in Africa should be forced to leave. The rest can stay, correct?

And here I thought Liberia has been in an almost constant state of civil war since 1989. I guess the meaning of the words "most successful" is open to interpretation.
Civil War is good! It means they are fighting for their rights as a people and developing into a role model country.

They have no power there, so no, it does not seem fair.

Europeans dont have any pwer in Africa anymore either all the nations are independant.

Take for example the state of South Africa. It was an exemplary nation, with a great climate and happy peoples with a relaxed agricultural lifestyle. Then, the Europeans in their greed for land decided to occupy the country and bring it to war. Then, the pigs started fighting for the land amongst each other, bringing disruption and chaos. They disrupted the peaceful African tribes living there.

You're full of sh-t. South Africa was nothing but tribal warfare. PEACEFUL African tribes!!? You're so full of sh-t you appall me. They haven't been peaceful.. eveR. As for Whites in South Africa, they did a number with apartheid, I warrant. And as for kicking Whites out, they're fleeing the country in droves because of the highest murder/rape/crime/AIDS rate in the world. They need no coddling. Far from it.

*grabs popcorn*
*grabs kettle corn*
Popcorn, plus the sweet but light taste of sugar

Europeans dont have any pwer in Africa anymore either all the nations are independant.
How many of them have white presidents?

They have no power there, so no, it does not seem fair.

Better let US Senator Barack Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama) know he needs to go back to Kenya.

You're full of sh-t. South Africa was nothing but tribal warfare. PEACEFUL African tribes!!? You're so full of sh-t you appall me. They haven't been peaceful.. eveR. As for Whites in South Africa, they did a number with apartheid, I warrant. And as for kicking Whites out, they're fleeing the country in droves because of the highest murder/rape/crime/AIDS rate in the world. They need no coddling. Far from it.
Exactly. :)

*grabs kettle corn*
Popcorn, plus the sweet but light taste of sugar

Hmmm...I seem to be outdone yet again.

Why should whites leave Africa? As long as they abide by the law, treat the natives with respect, and work together for the good of their country, they have every right to stay in Africa.

Why should whites leave Africa? As long as they abide by the law, treat the natives with respect, and work together for the good of their country, they have every right to stay in Africa.
The natives cannot tolerate each other, let alone people of different colour.

Better let US Senator Barack Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama) know he needs to go back to Kenya.
B-but, we all know George Bush doesn't care about black people!! :eek:

Civil War is good! It means they are fighting for their rights as a people and developing into a role model country.

I am sorry. You officially lose. You cannot make the claim that over a decade of civil war is good for a nation.

Exactly. :)

Lived there long enough to know. ;)

As a peace-loving devout North African muslim, it is clear to me why these infidels should stop inhabiting lands such as South Africa and only corrupt Europe with their ideals.
Well, I can tell this is going to be intellectually stimulating…
Take for example the state of South Africa. It was an exemplary nation, with a great climate and happy peoples with a relaxed agricultural lifestyle. Then, the Europeans in their greed for land decided to occupy the country and bring it to war. Then, the pigs started fighting for the land amongst each other, bringing disruption and chaos. They disrupted the peaceful African tribes living there.
Yes, I'm sure the natives never fought amongst each other. People never resort to violence when they don’t have guns.
Today, much of Africa's poverty can be traced back in history to European occupation. They have brought corruption and greed to the formerly peaceful and noble peoples living there.
You are so right. The Middle Eastern Muslims who enslaved over two million blacks for use in harems and occupied coastal cites were doing the Dark Continent a huge favor.
Is it only a coincidence, that Liberia, one of the few black run nations, is also one of the most successful ones in southern Africa? I think not.

Yes, because South Africa is a cesspool not suitable for human habitation. Don’t let anyone tell you that it is one of the most prosperous nations in Africa. They’re imperialist white devils.
It is time for these infidels to give up their wrongful grips on this territory and let the native people living there thrive without their capitalist corruption.
I guess you’re right. A white man born in South Africa should be forcibly relocated to another continent that he may have never even visited. You make a lot of sense.

Is it only a coincidence, that Liberia, one of the few black run nations, is also one of the most successful ones in southern Africa? I think not.

Not at all; Liberia is not located in southern Africa.

I guess you’re right. A white man born in South Africa should be forcibly relocated to another continent that he may have never even visited. You make a lot of sense.
We're being forced to do so anyway, although covertly. The government doesn't actively chase us out; it just makes the conditions for us wanting to leave present. Such as not allowing a person to order a squatter off their property. Reverse discrimination policies hinder many from starting up entreprises, something most blacks cannot do to a lack of capital, crippling the economy. It is evolving into a nightmare.

Lived there long enough to know. ;)
I'm from there. I hate being thrown out of my own nation. Yet, I have come to terms with it and embraced my "corrupt" European side.

The natives cannot tolerate each other, let alone people of different colour.

The most common injury is a panga (machete) inserted into the skull because.. well.. because they're Africans and that's what ihhhh happenss. Somehow rape just ihhhhh hapensss, too. Somehow murder just ihhhh happensss. A lot of it.

Don't worry. It's Africa. Nobody cares about Africa.
- Sahara

WWWMWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWx, you have no right to call yourself African. I'm African, hell, I have nothing against whites. Yeah they did bad stuff but so did we. Why cant we just forgive and forget and let bygones be bygones?

The most common injury is a panga (machete) inserted into the skull because.. well.. because they're Africans and that's what ihhhh happenss. Somehow rape just ihhhhh hapensss, too. Somehow murder just ihhhh happensss. A lot of it.
I just find it amusing how people assume the native Africans to be peace-loving and all one big, happy family, when the exact opposite holds true.

I just find it amusing how people assume the native Africans to be peace-loving and all one big, happy family, when the exact opposite holds true.

Brainwashing from birth not to see reality. I must say that South Africa broke my ideals into little bits that blew away in a whirlwind never to return again. :p

I just find it amusing how people assume the native Africans to be peace-loving and all one big, happy family, when the exact opposite holds true.

Perhaps all the current conflicts going on in Africa are going on without anyone knowing? The Sudan for instance...

Let's not expel all Europeans from Africa, okay?

I just find it amusing how people assume the native Africans to be peace-loving and all one big, happy family, when the exact opposite holds true.
Why did I expect a EUROPEAN to make up such an answer? Is it because of the way the media is portraying them today?

Brainwashing from birth not to see reality. I must say that South Africa broke my ideals into little bits that blew away in a whirlwind never to return again. :p
Mine too. I could not believe how much hatred the Africans held towards each other even. Just as bad as we are.

I have salt and butter. Is there any popcorn left?

Why did I expect a EUROPEAN to make up such an answer? Is it because of the way the media is portraying them today?
I am a South African who lived in and frequently visits South Africa. So no, I think you are the one who the media brainwashes. :)

Why did I expect a EUROPEAN to make up such an answer? Is it because of the way the media is portraying them today?

It's because we f-cking LIVED there, a-hole.

Perhaps all the current conflicts going on in Africa are going on without anyone knowing? The Sudan for instance...
People do not really care. All they want to see is the good. When they see the reality of the situation, they are in shock. Read the State of Africa. It provides shocking insights into what really goes on there.

I have salt and butter. Is there any popcorn left?

I'm enjoying myself. I'll share.

*tosses big bowl of popcorn*

I have salt and butter. Is there any popcorn left?

No, popcorn has been expelled from Africa....

Mine too. I could not believe how much hatred the Africans held towards each other even. Just as bad as we are.

Worse. Far, far, far worse.

Worse. Far, far, far worse.
Indeed. It's lamentable.

I'm enjoying myself. I'll share.

*tosses big bowl of popcorn*
chomp, chomp.

*passes salt and butter*

No, popcorn has been expelled from Africa....
Just look at it, all imperialistic and such…

No, popcorn has been expelled from Africa....

In Soviet Africa, popcorn pops YOU!

No, popcorn has been expelled from Africa....
In Soviet Africa popcorn expels you!

Darn! It's true that geniuses think alike!

chomp, chomp.

*passes salt and butter*

Thanks. I knew I forgot something.

I am a South African who lived in and frequently visits South Africa. So no, I think you are the one who the media brainwashes. :)

Just curious, but are you an English S. African, Afrikaner, or other?

Just curious, but are you an English S. African, Afrikaner, or other?
Afrikaaner, although I do have some English and Greek blood too. My accent is the English SA variant.

In Soviet Africa popcorn expels you!

Darn! It's true that geniuses think alike!

Indeed it is.

*communicates telepathically*

*grabs kettle corn*
Popcorn, plus the sweet but light taste of sugar
*grabs wasabi corn & a big flask of sake*

Mmm. I love the smell of Trolls napalmed in the evening.

Anybody up for a necklacing?

With a name like WWWMWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWx
that it screams.
TTTTTTRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL!!

Indeed it is.

*communicates telepathically*
Yeah... someone should go get the soda...

*grabs wasabi corn & a big flask of sake*

Mmm. I love the smell of Trolls napalmed in the evening.

Anybody up for a necklacing?

I love the sounds of postcount going up as well as the next. Necklacing.. I'll leave that to the Africans.

With a name like WWWMWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWx
that it screams.
TTTTTTRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL!!
After many failed attempts to name myself after African countries, I chose a name that no one could have possibly taken because I was FED UP

After many failed attempts to name myself after African countries, I chose a name that no one could have possibly taken because I was FED UP
Did you try the Comoros Islands?

As a peace-loving devout North African muslim, it is clear to me why these infidels should stop inhabiting lands such as South Africa and only corrupt Europe with their ideals.

Take for example the state of South Africa. It was an exemplary nation, with a great climate and happy peoples with a relaxed agricultural lifestyle. Then, the Europeans in their greed for land decided to occupy the country and bring it to war. Then, the pigs started fighting for the land amongst each other, bringing disruption and chaos. They disrupted the peaceful African tribes living there.

Today, much of Africa's poverty can be traced back in history to European occupation. They have brought corruption and greed to the formerly peaceful and noble peoples living there. Is it only a coincidence, that Liberia, one of the few black run nations, is also one of the most successful ones in southern Africa? I think not.

It is time for these infidels to give up their wrongful grips on this territory and let the native people living there thrive without their capitalist corruption.

Edit: I also heard of Tony Blair's plan to recapture South Africa. This is
disgusting...

Ok deal, but on one condition, no Africans can leave Africa. You see, my plan to take over Africa is simple, wait for all the Africans to kill each other or fuck each other (AIDs) to death.

Then the rest of the World can turn Africa into an amusment park, afterall, all the animals will survive now that you pesky Africans are dead.

After many failed attempts to name myself after African countries, I chose a name that no one could have possibly taken because I was FED UP

It's those dang europeans again. First they take our land, then our money, then our nation names! It's evil, I tell ya!

Read the State of Africa. It provides shocking insights into what really goes on there.

You have an author? I'll try to take a look.

You have an author? I'll try to take a look.
God, I wish I could remember who wrote the book...I read excerpts of it as part of a writing club. I'll look for it. TG me to remind me.

It's those dang europeans again. First they take our land, then our money, then our nation names! It's evil, I tell ya!

Yeah, but them darn Euros did give the name Africa to the continent, so it ain't all take-take-take.

Yeah... someone should go get the soda...

Already one step ahead of you.

*Reveals large ice chest filled with assorted beverages*

Now we can really enjoy the fireworks!

Let not feed it, for yea, it is a troll.

Then the rest of the World can turn Africa into an amusment park, afterall, all the animals will survive now that you pesky Africans are dead.


Can i help with that plan?

After many failed attempts to name myself after African countries, I chose a name that no one could have possibly taken because I was FED UP

Lies! Equatorial Guinea wasn't chosen, since I just created it!

Oh, and sorry to anyone who wanted that name. I was going to create a new nation named after a real-world one anyway, but it wasn't going to be EG.

Hmmm, I've seen an awful lot of nutters make an awful lot of statements based on some incredibly retarded thinking in my time trawling through the internet, but WWWMWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWx makes it into my list of craziest people ever.

After many failed attempts to name myself after African countries, I chose a name that no one could have possibly taken because I was FED UP

If you were really an African, it would've started with an M.

As a peace-loving devout North African muslim, it is clear to me why these infidels should stop inhabiting lands such as South Africa and only corrupt Europe with their ideals.

Take for example the state of South Africa. It was an exemplary nation, with a great climate and happy peoples with a relaxed agricultural lifestyle. Then, the Europeans in their greed for land decided to occupy the country and bring it to war. Then, the pigs started fighting for the land amongst each other, bringing disruption and chaos. They disrupted the peaceful African tribes living there.

Today, much of Africa's poverty can be traced back in history to European occupation. They have brought corruption and greed to the formerly peaceful and noble peoples living there. Is it only a coincidence, that Liberia, one of the few black run nations, is also one of the most successful ones in southern Africa? I think not.

It is time for these infidels to give up their wrongful grips on this territory and let the native people living there thrive without their capitalist corruption.

Edit: I also heard of Tony Blair's plan to recapture South Africa. This is
disgusting...



Looks like someone is a little bit brain washed.

God, I wish I could remember who wrote the book...I read excerpts of it as part of a writing club. I'll look for it. TG me to remind me.

I don't suppose it is this?

http://www.campusi.com/bookFind/asp/bookFindPriceLst.asp?prodId=0743232216

Already one step ahead of you.
*Reveals large ice chest filled with assorted beverages*
Now we can really enjoy the fireworks!
*grabs a green tea*
*adds some honey*

WWWMWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWx, you have no right to call yourself African. I'm African, hell, I have nothing against whites. Yeah they did bad stuff but so did we. Why cant we just forgive and forget and let bygones be bygones?

The divisions of "white" and "African" are not mutually exclusive.

I don't suppose it is this?

http://www.campusi.com/bookFind/asp/bookFindPriceLst.asp?prodId=0743232216
Err...no.

*grabs a green tea*
*adds some honey*

Pussy.

*grabs litre of vodka*

Now this is a man drink!

*chugs*

Let not feed it, for yea, it is a troll.
Well, as long as Wwwwwwaaaaaaaaahhhh doesn't eat popcorn we should be OK. ;)

Besides, if s/he was FED UP, how much trouble would it have been to get FED UP resurrected instead of trolling as Wwwwwaaaaaaahhhhh? :D

Looks like someone is a little bit brain washed.

It sounds like a Communist propaganda broadcast from the 1960's...

After many failed attempts to name myself after African countries, I chose a name that no one could have possibly taken because I was FED UP


Did you know my name is african..I didn't know that until I googled it.
http://zw.datingbuzz.com/s/view/148089/M/6

Damn us infidels..taking all of the african names...

The divisions of "white" and "African" are not mutually exclusive.
Depends on whether or not you're referring to the ethnicity, or the continent one dwells on. Ethnicity-wise, they are mutually exclusive. Based on continent of residence, yes, a white person can be African in that context.

It sounds like a Communist propaganda broadcast from the 1960's...


gee i wonder if it was the trash talking about capitalism that gave that away:p

Well, as long as Wwwwwwaaaaaaaaahhhh doesn't eat popcorn we should be OK. ;)

Besides, if s/he was FED UP, how much trouble would it have been to get FED UP resurrected instead of trolling as Wwwwwaaaaaaahhhhh? :D

*sigh* :rolleyes:

Pussy.

*grabs litre of vodka*

Now this is a man drink!

*chugs*
Sorry, I've already had 1.8 litres of warm Koyuki sake.

I never mix.

gee i wonder if it was the trash talking about capitalism that gave that away:p

It did, and along with the flowery language just screamed something along the lines of the "Grand and Most Honorable Field Marshal of the 1962 Revolution" delivering his thrice-daily radio address.

This should be good.

*grabs popcorn*

LOL :)

For the love of...

That's it! Game over!

*sets off Bolol Nuclear Bomb*

Thread a-splode!

Edit: I also heard of Tony Blair's plan to recapture South Africa. This is
disgusting...
I hate to do this, take the bait and all, but I haven't heard of this. What is Tony Blair's 'plan to recapture South Africa'?

It sounds like a Communist propaganda broadcast from the 1960's...

*HAHAHA!!* :D

As a peace-loving devout North African muslim, it is clear to me why these infidels should stop inhabiting lands such as South Africa and only corrupt Europe with their ideals.

Take for example the state of South Africa. It was an exemplary nation, with a great climate and happy peoples with a relaxed agricultural lifestyle. Then, the Europeans in their greed for land decided to occupy the country and bring it to war. Then, the pigs started fighting for the land amongst each other, bringing disruption and chaos. They disrupted the peaceful African tribes living there.

Today, much of Africa's poverty can be traced back in history to European occupation. They have brought corruption and greed to the formerly peaceful and noble peoples living there. Is it only a coincidence, that Liberia, one of the few black run nations, is also one of the most successful ones in southern Africa? I think not.

It is time for these infidels to give up their wrongful grips on this territory and let the native people living there thrive without their capitalist corruption.

Edit: I also heard of Tony Blair's plan to recapture South Africa. This is
disgusting...

Well I found it quite interesting to read about your nostalgia for the good old days in Africa.
First let me qualify why my opinion should hold some weight here. I grew up in Africa , lived 20 years there so lets just say I have a unique perspective here.
First Africa wasn't the paradise you describe but the fact is that before the Europeans made things worse there was a lot of in fighting between tribes in Africa (a remenant of this is the Hutu and Tutsi conflict that well let's just say is proof that the world doesn't interfere unless it has a vested interest in the area).
It is worth noting that this "I am from this tribe" mentality is still prevalent in much of Africa. Most Nigerians will not say I am from Lagos or Kano or where ever they will say I am from this tribe (incase you are wondering no I didn't grow up in Nigeria but I am from West Africa all the same (well to be fair I am also from Asia in a sense (apart from actually being American) but think of Africa as a home).
Thats part of the problem in Africa (too much in fighting at the tribal level let alone at the national level where African nations don't understand that there are spill over effects from helping your neighbor).
Now on the shining example of Liberia, well lets just say they have had a lot more conflicts than many of their neighbors, in fact where I lived served as a refuge for various people during the many Liberian conflicts and the stories were not pretty. They would hack off limbs of thier fellow Liberians and Rape was basically a fringe benefit of being on one side or another of a conflict.
It is ironic that some of the greatest matriarchal traditions of the world originated from Africa and it can be one of the worst places to be a woman (well that depends on the country and of course being a woman in the Middle east is alot worse).
There are a lot of issues to resolve in Africa (Corruption was an issue where I was and I have read that its an issue in many other Nations there) but I am pretty sure Tony Blairs "wish" to take over South Africa (you should see the laugh in my eyes) is the least of their problems and they should concentrate on fixing the problems rather than resting on the fact that the world has been unfair to them and so its not their fault.
cheers
Steven

Depends on whether or not you're referring to the ethnicity, or the continent one dwells on. Ethnicity-wise, they are mutually exclusive. Based on continent of residence, yes, a white person can be African in that context.

Before I proceed, please define "white" as you understand the term.

Before I proceed, please define "white" as you understand it.
Of European origin, a Caucasian. Is there any other meaning to the word really?

Its funny how its always the Others who cause the problems. All Americas problems are caused by black people, all Africas by white, all europes by Muslims. And yet these same prolem causing groups have no problem living in their own regions, where the problems are all caused by someone else.

I often find myself irritated by immigrants, then I remember the Jews in Nazi Germany, and how they were blamed for everything despite the fact that they had done fuck all to anyone.

Perhaps we are naturally inclined to be prejudiced make scapegoats of people who are different, but at the same time we should realise that we are being irrational and not actually kick them out or even kill them. Aside from being barbaric, such actions serve no purpose. The problems remain but with no one to blame we turn on ourselves. There is always someone different from you. Start blaming them for your problems and you become the cause of theirs.

As a peace-loving devout North African muslim, it is clear to me why these infidels should stop inhabiting lands such as South Africa and only corrupt Europe with their ideals.

Take for example the state of South Africa. It was an exemplary nation, with a great climate and happy peoples with a relaxed agricultural lifestyle. Then, the Europeans in their greed for land decided to occupy the country and bring it to war. Then, the pigs started fighting for the land amongst each other, bringing disruption and chaos. They disrupted the peaceful African tribes living there.

Today, much of Africa's poverty can be traced back in history to European occupation. They have brought corruption and greed to the formerly peaceful and noble peoples living there. Is it only a coincidence, that Liberia, one of the few black run nations, is also one of the most successful ones in southern Africa? I think not.

It is time for these infidels to give up their wrongful grips on this territory and let the native people living there thrive without their capitalist corruption.

Edit: I also heard of Tony Blair's plan to recapture South Africa. This is
disgusting...

First thing is that trying to prove a point, use of words such as infidel is not a good idea. i am not calling you a 'raghead' you should not call me something simarly racist.

Second is the fact that the 'peaceful african tribes' you refer to, your own people killed and slaughted. As a peaceful north african muslim, you should know the history of your people. Perhaps you think islam swept the middle east, north africa and turkey peacefully, instead of invading hordes of men?

And the example of south africa is a horrible example for the brutal conolization of africa. before europeans conquered the Zulu from what was called Angolia, the Zulu had conquered the whole south africa,slaugherting all who opposed them, and were living under a dictator that had killed his brother to gain the crown, then killed all who so much as seemed to look at him wrong. that does not excuse the actions of the europeans afterwards, but it should be noted that even then the goverment of the british tried to reform without having to fight a war there. the did(the boer wars) but they were more about a true revolt than a the rights of the africans.

P.S. sorry i skipped the other pages but i needed to say that

This is ridicules: the whites of South Africa have been there since the 17th century. Why should they leave after having been there for generations? That's like saying that 99% of Americans should go back to the continent their distant ancestors came from. Yes the colonial system was detrimental to local African economies, but we must deal with the present. Taking somebody's land and property because of what their ancestors did is the same as segregation in the United States because the ancestors of the whites enslaved the ancestors of the blacks. I also don't want to make this a personal matter but being a North African Muslim, your people aren't exacly clean in all of this either (e.g.: Sudan today).

The fact that you think Europeans brought corruption and political turmoil to Africa shows your ignorance and racism toward not only those of European descent but African as well. Africans, just like everywhere else in the world were able to establish complex empires and political systems of their own (read about the Hausa States or Zimbabwe).

I suggest you read a few books based on hard facts before you make such stupid statements again...

All I have to say is.........WOW. Didn't realize you Europeans were such "infidels"


Incidentally, me thinks this may be a puppet trying to make Muslims look bad. Either that or a complete nutbag.

Incidentally, me thinks this may be a puppet trying to make Muslims look bad.
Bingo.

:fluffle:

Before I proceed, please define "white" as you understand the term.

White.

As a peace-loving devout North African muslim, it is clear to me why these infidels should stop inhabiting lands such as South Africa and only corrupt Europe with their ideals.

Take for example the state of South Africa. It was an exemplary nation, with a great climate and happy peoples with a relaxed agricultural lifestyle. Then, the Europeans in their greed for land decided to occupy the country and bring it to war. Then, the pigs started fighting for the land amongst each other, bringing disruption and chaos. They disrupted the peaceful African tribes living there.

Today, much of Africa's poverty can be traced back in history to European occupation. They have brought corruption and greed to the formerly peaceful and noble peoples living there. Is it only a coincidence, that Liberia, one of the few black run nations, is also one of the most successful ones in southern Africa? I think not.

It is time for these infidels to give up their wrongful grips on this territory and let the native people living there thrive without their capitalist corruption.

Edit: I also heard of Tony Blair's plan to recapture South Africa. This is
disgusting...
Yeah! Kick out all the European infidels! ( Updated version of "Let's you and him fight." ) :D

As Africa is ultimately the homeland of all humans, kicking Europeans out is expelling them from their homeland.

And of course the African tribes weren't peaceful. Nobody was anywhere on Earth. Humans are warlike.

Another Mugabe, eh? I think a transfer of farms to Africans would be better. Look at Zimbabwe after the Europeans were kicked out. Also, the descendants in Zuid-Afrika own quite a few animal preserves...reserves, whatever they're called.

As a peace-loving devout North African muslim, it is clear to me why these infidels should stop inhabiting lands such as South Africa and only corrupt Europe with their ideals.

Take for example the state of South Africa. It was an exemplary nation, with a great climate and happy peoples with a relaxed agricultural lifestyle. Then, the Europeans in their greed for land decided to occupy the country and bring it to war. Then, the pigs started fighting for the land amongst each other, bringing disruption and chaos. They disrupted the peaceful African tribes living there.

Today, much of Africa's poverty can be traced back in history to European occupation. They have brought corruption and greed to the formerly peaceful and noble peoples living there. Is it only a coincidence, that Liberia, one of the few black run nations, is also one of the most successful ones in southern Africa? I think not.

It is time for these infidels to give up their wrongful grips on this territory and let the native people living there thrive without their capitalist corruption.

Edit: I also heard of Tony Blair's plan to recapture South Africa. This is
disgusting...

As a north african muslim, would you be willing that all the arabs and their legacy of stomping on the natives, also remove themselves?

Well I found it quite interesting to read about your nostalgia for the good old days in Africa.
First let me qualify why my opinion should hold some weight here. I grew up in Africa , lived 20 years there so lets just say I have a unique perspective here.
First Africa wasn't the paradise you describe but the fact is that before the Europeans made things worse there was a lot of in fighting between tribes in Africa (a remenant of this is the Hutu and Tutsi conflict that well let's just say is proof that the world doesn't interfere unless it has a vested interest in the area).
It is worth noting that this "I am from this tribe" mentality is still prevalent in much of Africa. Most Nigerians will not say I am from Lagos or Kano or where ever they will say I am from this tribe (incase you are wondering no I didn't grow up in Nigeria but I am from West Africa all the same (well to be fair I am also from Asia in a sense (apart from actually being American) but think of Africa as a home).
Thats part of the problem in Africa (too much in fighting at the tribal level let alone at the national level where African nations don't understand that there are spill over effects from helping your neighbor).
Now on the shining example of Liberia, well lets just say they have had a lot more conflicts than many of their neighbors, in fact where I lived served as a refuge for various people during the many Liberian conflicts and the stories were not pretty. They would hack off limbs of thier fellow Liberians and Rape was basically a fringe benefit of being on one side or another of a conflict.
It is ironic that some of the greatest matriarchal traditions of the world originated from Africa and it can be one of the worst places to be a woman (well that depends on the country and of course being a woman in the Middle east is alot worse).
There are a lot of issues to resolve in Africa (Corruption was an issue where I was and I have read that its an issue in many other Nations there) but I am pretty sure Tony Blairs "wish" to take over South Africa (you should see the laugh in my eyes) is the least of their problems and they should concentrate on fixing the problems rather than resting on the fact that the world has been unfair to them and so its not their fault.
cheers
Steven

Your right...but you chose a bad example Hutu and Tutsi are not tribal origins, they are class distinctions interpretted as tribes......and put in place by the Belgians. So whoops. There were no Hutus and Tutsis before europeans, I'm not sure what the natives called themselves. This was an entirely administrative creation of the Belgians.

And here I thought Liberia has been in an almost constant state of civil war since 1989. I guess the meaning of the words "most successful" is open to interpretation.

Liberias in west Africa

Take for example the state of South Africa. It was an exemplary nation, with a great climate and happy peoples with a relaxed agricultural lifestyle.

are you sure? kinda seems like theres no documents of what it was like there before, so seems kinda unfounded wouldn't you say?

Civil War is good! It means they are fighting for their rights as a people and developing into a role model country.

Civil War? GOOD?

A civil war is the worst form of war - the very worst. Think of it this way - Nations are like snooker/billiard balls - hard spheres. When two nations go to war, its like knocking two balls together - so they crack the surface. A civil war is like putting gun powerder in a billiard ball and setting it off.

Africa has been free from European control for over 40 years in most cases. In that time, the average African economy has shrunk, not grown. Why? Because not only did the Europeans and others screw Africa over, but Africa disintergrated into corrupt chaos. If you want to be treated as a decent country, you must be prepared to accept that you now have responsibility for your countries so YOU must take overall responsibility for what happens in YOUR countries.

After all, if you don't want us in your country, then you must take complete responsibility for whatever happens there!

This is still UP?!?!?!

Muh!? :confused:

This is still UP?!?!?!

Muh!? :confused:

OMG BOLOL!

:fluffle:

As a peace-loving devout North African muslim, it is clear to me why these infidels should stop inhabiting lands such as South Africa and only corrupt Europe with their ideals. Now I'm interested...
Take for example the state of South Africa. It was an exemplary nation, with a great climate and happy peoples with a relaxed agricultural lifestyle. Then, the Europeans in their greed for land decided to occupy the country and bring it to war. Then, the pigs started fighting for the land amongst each other, bringing disruption and chaos. They disrupted the peaceful African tribes living there. It was a nation at the time?
Today, much of Africa's poverty can be traced back in history to European occupation. They have brought corruption and greed to the formerly peaceful and noble peoples living there. Is it only a coincidence, that Liberia, one of the few black run nations, is also one of the most successful ones in southern Africa? I think not. First bit is true to some extent. Poverty in Africa is certainly a result of colonization.
However, Liberia is not a successful country in Southern Africa. For one, it is not successful. Liberia has been wracked with civil wars for God knows how long. ECOMOG continuously has to be redeployed there. The other reason is, Liberia is in West Africa, not Southern Africa.
It is time for these infidels to give up their wrongful grips on this territory and let the native people living there thrive without their capitalist corruption. It's time for you to learn more about your own continent (if you really are from Africa).
Edit: I also heard of Tony Blair's plan to recapture South Africa. This is disgusting...It is also utter hogwash, to put it bluntly.

As a peace-loving devout North African muslim, it is clear to me why these infidels should stop inhabiting lands such as South Africa and only corrupt Europe with their ideals.

Take for example the state of South Africa. It was an exemplary nation, with a great climate and happy peoples with a relaxed agricultural lifestyle. Then, the Europeans in their greed for land decided to occupy the country and bring it to war. Then, the pigs started fighting for the land amongst each other, bringing disruption and chaos. They disrupted the peaceful African tribes living there.

Today, much of Africa's poverty can be traced back in history to European occupation. They have brought corruption and greed to the formerly peaceful and noble peoples living there. Is it only a coincidence, that Liberia, one of the few black run nations, is also one of the most successful ones in southern Africa? I think not.

It is time for these infidels to give up their wrongful grips on this territory and let the native people living there thrive without their capitalist corruption.

Edit: I also heard of Tony Blair's plan to recapture South Africa. This is
disgusting...

Have a cookie. Well done. Genius. Moron.

Have we, in our zealotry, considered the state Africa would be in bereft of "capitalist corruption"? I daresay that you would eagerly accept western aid, and medicine, yet expect it out of pure altruism, an entirely untenable concept in the modern political spectrum.

Furthermore, quite how many more African's would die per annum bereft of the medical aid, and medical advances, facilitated by colonialism? Once more, I daresay it would be considerable. Moreover, you are Egyptian, and Arabic, two of the greatest imperialists in their era of eminence, and yet you, jumping on the post-colonial bandwagon, deplore western colonialism.

Finally, from the above it is evident that you fully approve of Robert Mugabe. Do elaborate...:)

I just can't believe people have wasted 7 pages debating an idiotic point with an obvious troll puppet with a really stupid name.
Don't you ppl have lives?




before you ask, no I don't either.

Civil War is good! It means they are fighting for their rights as a people and developing into a role model country.
perfect explaination

Well, I can tell this is going to be intellectually stimulating…

Yes, I'm sure the natives never fought amongst each other. People never resort to violence when they don’t have guns.

You are so right. The Middle Eastern Muslims who enslaved over two million blacks for use in harems and occupied coastal cites were doing the Dark Continent a huge favor.

Yes, because South Africa is a cesspool not suitable for human habitation. Don’t let anyone tell you that it is one of the most prosperous nations in Africa. They’re imperialist white devils.

I guess you’re right. A white man born in South Africa should be forcibly relocated to another continent that he may have never even visited. You make a lot of sense.
people have resorted to violence for thousands of years befor guns were even thought of

People do not really care. All they want to see is the good. When they see the reality of the situation, they are in shock. Read the State of Africa. It provides shocking insights into what really goes on there.
people like to read about glory and honor, even if it is through war

African situations hace a tendancy to not be so glorious

perfect explaination

Oh yes. Every state borne out of a civil war is utterly perfect, the war itself facilitated by entirely altruistic means, never a coup d'etat or the affairs of the higher orders at all.....:rolleyes:

Pussy.

*grabs litre of vodka*

Now this is a man drink!

*chugs*
totally;) ;)

Civil War? GOOD?

A civil war is the worst form of war - the very worst. Think of it this way - Nations are like snooker/billiard balls - hard spheres. When two nations go to war, its like knocking two balls together - so they crack the surface. A civil war is like putting gun powerder in a billiard ball and setting it off.

Africa has been free from European control for over 40 years in most cases. In that time, the average African economy has shrunk, not grown. Why? Because not only did the Europeans and others screw Africa over, but Africa disintergrated into corrupt chaos. If you want to be treated as a decent country, you must be prepared to accept that you now have responsibility for your countries so YOU must take overall responsibility for what happens in YOUR countries.

After all, if you don't want us in your country, then you must take complete responsibility for whatever happens there!
wrong, Africans were in such a hurry to rid themselves of the Europeans and be free, they did not realize what running a modern state is actually like

Oh yes. Every state borne out of a civil war is utterly perfect, the war itself facilitated by entirely altruistic means, never a coup d'etat or the affairs of the higher orders at all.....:rolleyes:
i never said civil war was good, i jus said that it was a good explaination

As a peace-loving devout North African muslim

Civil War is good!

So your a "peace-loving devout North African muslim" who loves war?

As a peace-loving devout North African muslim, it is clear to me why these infidels should stop inhabiting lands such as South Africa and only corrupt Europe with their ideals.

Take for example the state of South Africa. It was an exemplary nation, with a great climate and happy peoples with a relaxed agricultural lifestyle. Then, the Europeans in their greed for land decided to occupy the country and bring it to war. Then, the pigs started fighting for the land amongst each other, bringing disruption and chaos. They disrupted the peaceful African tribes living there.

Today, much of Africa's poverty can be traced back in history to European occupation. They have brought corruption and greed to the formerly peaceful and noble peoples living there. Is it only a coincidence, that Liberia, one of the few black run nations, is also one of the most successful ones in southern Africa? I think not.

It is time for these infidels to give up their wrongful grips on this territory and let the native people living there thrive without their capitalist corruption.

Edit: I also heard of Tony Blair's plan to recapture South Africa. This is
disgusting...


Hey, buddy, they can't help what their ancestors did. It's not their fault

Look North Africa guy, just because white people reside in your nation and have ran your nation while being in the minority doesn't mean you should hate them. Yes, colonialism is a bad thing, but there is some good things to it as well. Europeans built railroads, factories, cities even. All at the expenses of their tax payer money, not yours. If it weren't for colonialism you'd be living in a tribe, not in a modern house hold. Or rather, you'd be in a tribal army fighting the other tribes in your area.

It's always funny to see a muslim complaining about the warmongering ways of the west. Muslims brutally conquered much of North Africa and were the pioneers of the slave trade, long before Europe ever tried it. Still, if South Africa wants to get rid of all the whites then it's on their heads. Let's look at Zimbabwe. Back when it was Rhodesia it was known as the breadbasket of Africa. Now they've got Uncle Bob in power and the country's starving. And I have absolutely no sympathy for them, they wanted Mugabe so they can live with the consequences of their actions. If South Africa wants to take the same route then they can live with the inevitable consequences as well.

Also, if Africa hates us then why do they accept food from us? Surely they'd sooner starve to death than lower themselves to that level? And why do they take our HIV drugs? Though I suppose it was whitey who created that in a western laboratory?

*munches kettle corn*
This thread has been some good entertainin'

On the up side, this WWW-Africa-whatever guy makes me look good.

i never said civil war was good, i jus said that it was a good explaination

And yet the explanation you laud portrays civil war in a benign light....:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Why don't we expel all Africans from Europe, while we're at it? And expel all caucasians from North and South America and Australia. Hell, why don't we just corral all humanity back into the Middle East where we came from, and give all the poor plants and animals their land back...

You people still here? Darn, all that's left are unpopped kernels.

:rolleyes:

Why don't we expel all Africans from Europe, while we're at it? And expel all caucasians from North and South America and Australia. Hell, why don't we just corral all humanity back into the Middle East where we came from, and give all the poor plants and animals their land back...
That's what the plants and animals want you to do :eek:

This thread should be renamed "The Battle of the Classic Trolls".

White supremecists in one corner wearing hoods and burning crosses.

Muslims over there hiding in a bunker.

Christian fearmongers wearing the red anklets with a bloody Christ on them.

And the people who ignore African history over there with the green blindfold across your eyes.

If you belong to more than one group feel free to mix and match. Ready, and GO!

If you belong to more than one group feel free to mix and match. Ready, and GO!
I'll need more sake...

This thread should be renamed "The Battle of the Classic Trolls".

White supremecists in one corner wearing hoods and burning crosses.

Muslims over there hiding in a bunker.

Christian fearmongers wearing the red anklets with a bloody Christ on them.

And the people who ignore African history over there with the green blindfold across your eyes.

If you belong to more than one group feel free to mix and match. Ready, and GO!

Let's throw in some New Black Panthers, a dash of Nation of Islam, and some "Jews did WTC" militamen and make it a tag-team match.

Let's throw in some New Black Panthers, a dash of Nation of Islam, and some "Jews did WTC" militamen and make it a tag-team match.

Yeah, they fall somewhere within the other groups, methinks. Plus I was afraid if I mentioned those groups my head would explode from concentrated mind-control devices.

How many of them have white presidents?
I think none, actually. :rolleyes:

Yeah, they fall somewhere within the other groups, methinks. Plus I was afraid if I mentioned those groups my head would explode from concentrated mind-control devices.

I forgot the Raelians...damn. That's okay, they'll take on the Scientologists in the cage match.

How many people still haven't realised that the OP was a puppet parodying calls to expell muslims from Europe?

Come on, own up...

How many people still haven't realised that the OP was a puppet parodying calls to expell muslims from Europe? Come on, own up...

Yeah.. uhhhh.. expel Muslims from Europe? Is this a new thread? :p

How many people still haven't realised that the OP was a puppet parodying calls to expell muslims from Europe?

Come on, own up...

I figured puppet, though I hadn't realized that there were calls to expel all Muslims from Europe.

Yeah.. uhhhh.. expel Muslims from Europe? Is this a new thread? :p

I figured puppet, though I hadn't realized that there were calls to expel all Muslims from Europe.

There hasn't been a thread dedicated to the idea but several posters maintain that it is either desirable or neccessary to deport every western muslim to the Middle East. I won't mention names.

There hasn't been a thread dedicated to the idea but several posters maintain that it is either desirable or neccessary to deport every western muslim to the Middle East. I won't mention names.

Ohhhhh. So what you're getting at is that we Americans supposedly want to send all Africans back to Africa. Or have I read too far.. *dead silence*

Ohhhhh. So what you're getting at is that we Americans supposedly want to send all Africans back to Africa. Or have I read too far.. *dead silence*

Um, who mentioned Americans?

Ohhhhh. So what you're getting at is that we Americans supposedly want to send all Africans back to Africa. Or have I read too far.. *dead silence*

I'm sorry? Are you refering to me or the OP?

This thread should be renamed "The Battle of the Classic Trolls".
White supremecists in one corner wearing hoods and burning crosses.
Muslims over there hiding in a bunker.
Christian fearmongers wearing the red anklets with a bloody Christ on them.
And the people who ignore African history over there with the green blindfold across your eyes.
If you belong to more than one group feel free to mix and match. Ready, and GO!
*starts singing*
This is the Ultimate Showdown, of Ultimate Destiny

*starts singing*
This is the Ultimate Showdown, of Ultimate Destiny

*plays rocky music*

*plays rocky music*

MORTAL KOMBAT!!!

I'm sorry but when am I next going to have an opportunity to say that...

MORTAL KOMBAT!!!

I'm sorry but when am I next going to have an opportunity to say that...

quite true :)

MORTAL KOMBAT!!!
Finish him!!!
*goes in for a thread fatality* :p

I'm going to give you a 3/10, because the thread went off topic on page 3.
http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/reubenm/TrollScale.jpg

After many failed attempts to name myself after African countries, I chose a name that no one could have possibly taken because I was FED UP
you seem to have a lot of pent up hostility. How inconsiderate of those other ppl who named themselves after african nations, they should have left one for you.

I know I'm late but I have chips, is there any popcorn left?

As a peace-loving devout North African muslim, it is clear to me why these infidels should stop inhabiting lands such as South Africa and only corrupt Europe with their ideals.

Take for example the state of South Africa. It was an exemplary nation, with a great climate and happy peoples with a relaxed agricultural lifestyle. Then, the Europeans in their greed for land decided to occupy the country and bring it to war. Then, the pigs started fighting for the land amongst each other, bringing disruption and chaos. They disrupted the peaceful African tribes living there.

Today, much of Africa's poverty can be traced back in history to European occupation. They have brought corruption and greed to the formerly peaceful and noble peoples living there. Is it only a coincidence, that Liberia, one of the few black run nations, is also one of the most successful ones in southern Africa? I think not.

It is time for these infidels to give up their wrongful grips on this territory and let the native people living there thrive without their capitalist corruption.

Edit: I also heard of Tony Blair's plan to recapture South Africa. This is
disgusting...
Only if all North Africans are expelled from Europe in exchange. They are a drain on the social systems, they increase crimerate, lower property value and they smell bad.

Originally Posted by WWWMWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWx
As a peace-loving devout North African muslim, it is clear to me why these infidels should stop inhabiting lands such as South Africa and only corrupt Europe with their ideals.

Take for example the state of South Africa. It was an exemplary nation, with a great climate and happy peoples with a relaxed agricultural lifestyle. Then, the Europeans in their greed for land decided to occupy the country and bring it to war. Then, the pigs started fighting for the land amongst each other, bringing disruption and chaos. They disrupted the peaceful African tribes living there.

Today, much of Africa's poverty can be traced back in history to European occupation. They have brought corruption and greed to the formerly peaceful and noble peoples living there. Is it only a coincidence, that Liberia, one of the few black run nations, is also one of the most successful ones in southern Africa? I think not.

It is time for these infidels to give up their wrongful grips on this territory and let the native people living there thrive without their capitalist corruption.

Edit: I also heard of Tony Blair's plan to recapture South Africa. This is
disgusting...
*Thinks about biting but realises this might be a joke*
Ah feck just in case..A little link to Islams role in African Slavery
http://africanhistory.about.com/library/weekly/aa040201a.htm

As a peace-loving devout North African muslim, it is clear to me why these infidels should stop inhabiting lands such as South Africa and only corrupt Europe with their ideals.

Take for example the state of South Africa. It was an exemplary nation, with a great climate and happy peoples with a relaxed agricultural lifestyle. Then, the Europeans in their greed for land decided to occupy the country and bring it to war. Then, the pigs started fighting for the land amongst each other, bringing disruption and chaos. They disrupted the peaceful African tribes living there.

Today, much of Africa's poverty can be traced back in history to European occupation. They have brought corruption and greed to the formerly peaceful and noble peoples living there. Is it only a coincidence, that Liberia, one of the few black run nations, is also one of the most successful ones in southern Africa? I think not.

It is time for these infidels to give up their wrongful grips on this territory and let the native people living there thrive without their capitalist corruption.

Edit: I also heard of Tony Blair's plan to recapture South Africa. This is
disgusting...
As a White African, I find your statements to be racist in the extreme.

Yes there is much the we settlers have to be ashamed of, but there has been more good from our presence than ill. Many christian Africans, Black and White would argue that it is Arabs and their North African decendants that have damaged africa more, but you don't hear us claiming you should be chased out. If you look at the worst white (and Christian) influenced African Country (my home Zimbabwe or DRC) and the worst in the Muslim part (Sommalia or Sudan?) there is little doubt that we are better off.

The truth of why Africa is a mess is our leaders and the fact that the west is scared of being labled imperialists if they try to help. When we can put the Mugabes and Bashirs of this world in front of firing squads and learn to live as African not as tribes then we can live in peace. As forBlair "recapturing" South Africa, Please don't insult our intelligence with such nonsense. South Africa has not been "owned" by Britain for over a hundred years, since the end of the Boer War, and even then only bits of it were "British". South Africa was more like Canada than like Kenya in the way it was run.

Being a South African who now lives in Europe, I would have to tell you that many of us would be glad to leave Africa and leave it all to you.

Your tribes can begin warring again with each other, the corrupt government can make a mess of it by imposing policies that have proven to fail in other African nations and the nation's economy can plummet. Then you can blame yourselves. You can live in the mess you perpetuated.
Careful. I'm proud to be South African. I left back in '88 and still maintain citizenship and ties. My family have fought long and hard to make life better for all South Africans and as a Coloured person, I resent the implication non-Whites cannot run South Africa.

Civil War is good! It means they are fighting for their rights as a people and developing into a role model country.


As we say in Zimbabwe

Assi Nhai Chi?? <What is this (nonsense)??>

Civil wars in Africa tend to be about tribal power politics. The important thing to remember about post colonial Africa is that rather than change the inherited systems for the benifit of the people, all the new regimes did was change the colour of the tyrants, and at least the worst of the worst settler governments (arguably Belgians in Congo, portugese in Angola or Germans in Namibia) were never as bad as Sudanese in Dafour or Nigerians in Biafra.

All I have to say is.........WOW. Didn't realize you Europeans were such "infidels"


Incidentally, me thinks this may be a puppet trying to make Muslims look bad. Either that or a complete nutbag.

Sadly I think this might be his opinion, not a rouse. This is common thinking in much of Africa. The best example I can give you is that the political conflict in Zimbabwe is a class and generational war (between poor, working and middleclasses and the Government and underclass), but Mugabe has sold it as a conflict between whites and their puppets against blacks because this will be acceptable to other black countries and especially in South Africa where they see race relations throught the prism of Aparthied.

Sadly I think this might be his opinion, not a rouse. This is common thinking in much of Africa. The best example I can give you is that the political conflict in Zimbabwe is a class and generational war (between poor, working and middleclasses and the Government and underclass), but Mugabe has sold it as a conflict between whites and their puppets against blacks because this will be acceptable to other black countries and especially in South Africa where they see race relations throught the prism of Aparthied.
Given I'm the only coloured South African on the board, I think I'm a little more qualified to speak on the majority opinion of Africans

Sadly I think this might be his opinion, not a rouse. This is common thinking in much of Africa. The best example I can give you is that the political conflict in Zimbabwe is a class and generational war (between poor, working and middleclasses and the Government and underclass), but Mugabe has sold it as a conflict between whites and their puppets against blacks because this will be acceptable to other black countries and especially in South Africa where they see race relations throught the prism of Aparthied.
I would have to agree with your sentiment that the OP was not a rouse.But the original poster seems to forget that Islam was not exactly a good thing for most of Africa.What does concern me is the assertion that Liberia is a sucessful country.A civil war that is just over.Hundreds of thousands dead and a very tentitive peace???And lets not forget the Janjaweed malitia running around as mad as norries in Sudan.

Given I'm the only coloured South African on the board, I think I'm a little more qualified to speak on the majority opinion of Africans

How Dare you claim such a qualification? Last time I checked South Africans treated Zimbabwean refugees the same way the British treat asylum seekers, lock us up in detention centres and ship us off, back to the dictator's grip and death. South Africans have for too long hid behind Mandela and the "Rainbow Nation" facarde and dared to claim they speak for other Africans when you have nothing but disdain for us. I am a Zimbabwean who happens to be white, not even my Shona mother in law would dare accuse me of not being able to speak for my people and my country (and she hates me).:mad:

How Dare you claim such a qualification? Last time I checked South Africans treated Zimbabwean refugees the same way the British treat asylum seekers, lock us up in detention centres and ship us off, back to the dictator's grip and death. South Africans have for too long hid behind Mandela and the "Rainbow Nation" facarde and dared to claim they speack for other Africans when you have nothing but disdain for us. I am a Zimbabwean who happens to be white, not even my Shona mother in law would dare accuse me of not being able to speak for my people and my country (and she hates me).:mad:
I suppose South Africa should open it's border to Zimbabwe, because we have such a massive budget surplus anyway? There is massive growth in terms of tolerance and understanding in South Africa. I have many Boer and English friends and no many young people who've grown up in the New South Africa with an amazingly different outlook to those of us raised under Apartheid.

The fact is the rest of Africa is backward. I don't apologise for that. When we sought out our problems, we will get to you. But South Africa must come first.

And something tells me you don't speak for coloured Africans, I think it's the white thing, but I could be wrong.

If you have an issue with Mugabe, do something about it. Personally, I come from an ANC family from way back. With ties to the current South African government and I've even met some top ranking Zimbabwean officials. So I know there are massive problems within Zimbabwe, but there are huge problems within the Suid Republick to, and they must be the chief focus of the our government.

After many failed attempts to name myself after African countries, I chose a name that no one could have possibly taken because I was FED UP
Either that or just completely uncreative.

I suppose South Africa should open it's border to Zimbabwe, because we have such a massive budget surplus anyway? There is massive growth in terms of tolerance and understanding in South Africa. I have many Boer and English friends and no many young people who've grown up in the New South Africa with an amazingly different outlook to those of us raised under Apartheid.

The fact is the rest of Africa is backward. I don't apologise for that. When we sought out our problems, we will get to you. But South Africa must come first.

And something tells me you don't speak for coloured Africans, I think it's the white thing, but I could be wrong.

If you have an issue with Mugabe, do something about it. Personally, I come from an ANC family from way back. With ties to the current South African government and I've even met some top ranking Zimbabwean officials. So I know there are massive problems within Zimbabwe, but there are huge problems within the Suid Republick to, and they must be the chief focus of the our government.

Dear Rotovia,

This is me speaking as someone who did not grow up under a racist system - I have a problem with Mugabe, and most of us are trying to change things. When, Mandela was set free we were happy for you. We had helped you against an immoral system, and felt that you could join us on the bumpy road towards a non-racial intergrationalist way of life. Mugabe's benevolent rule was coming to a natural end and we assumed that with his elder statesman position he would retire and competitive democracy would begin. The older generation of whites had accepted peaceful defeat and my generation of whites hadn't known any other leader but Mugabe. When Mugabe refused to leave, SA should have been firmer with him. When he attacked his people SA should have helped the people of Zimbabwe. SA abdicated its responsibilities, SA sided with a regime that hid under a racist facarde to justifie its existance and SA would do so again to propergate the rule of the ANC and to futher its desire to dominate Southern Africa. ANC SA is doing in Zimbabwe now exactly what NP SA did with the Rhodesians in the 1960s.. isn't that food for thought.

I mentioned my race in my first response because mmbkhbvbkajsb (or whatever) had singled us out for expulsion. I don't think my race gives me a greater or lesser credibility than you in this debate, I think your South Africanness discredits you: "The fact is the rest of Africa is backward. I don't apologise for that." We in Zimbabwe weren't backwards in 1998, but we are now.

suppose South Africa should open it's border to Zimbabwe, because we have such a massive budget surplus anyway? This sounds like the worst type of European or American responses.......

Lastly, "And something tells me you don't speak for coloured Africans, I think it's the white thing, but I could be wrong." Do you really beleive in your rainbow dream if you would make a comment like this? I beleive I speak from a legitimate Zimbabwean point of view, probably the overwehlming majority point of view. Only the regime talks in colours any more, and I can't remember the last time any Zimbabwean said to my face that whites were the problem. Even ZANU (PF) members will say behind closed doors that it is one faction dominating ZANU (PF) and their South African backers who are racist and Mugabe is playing them to stay in power.

Dear Rotovia,

This is me speaking as someone who did not grow up under a racist system - I have a problem with Mugabe, and most of us are trying to change things. When, Mandela was set free we were happy for you. We had helped you against an immoral system, and felt that you could join us on the bumpy road towards a non-racial intergrationalist way of life. Mugabe's benevolent rule was coming to a natural end and we assumed that with his elder statesman position he would retire and competitive democracy would begin. The older generation of whites had accepted peaceful defeat and my generation of whites hadn't known any other leader but Mugabe. When Mugabe refused to leave, SA should have been firmer with him. When he attacked his people SA should have helped the people of Zimbabwe. SA abdicated its responsibilities, SA sided with a regime that hid under a racist facarde to justifie its existance and SA would do so again to propergate the rule of the ANC and to futher its desire to dominate Southern Africa. ANC SA is doing in Zimbabwe now exactly what NP SA did with the Rhodesians in the 1960s.. isn't that food for thought.

I mentioned my race in my first response because mmbkhbvbkajsb (or whatever) had singled us out for expulsion. I don't think my race gives me a greater or lesser credibility than you in this debate, I think your South Africanness discredits you: "The fact is the rest of Africa is backward. I don't apologise for that." We weren't backwards in 1998, but we are now.
Dear Rhoderick,

Since letter writing is a poor attempt to avoid frontal debate -though I tactic I have not entirely avoided , in the past, myself- I shall use it because it gives me a smug sense of self satisfaction to use a writer's own style in my rebuttal.

It's great to hear you were happy Mandela was freed. So was every non-fascist in the western world. Zimbabwe played little to no role in the removal of Apartheid from South Africa. Decades of peaceful struggle, years of violent struggle & months of round table discussions did that. The ANC did that. My Uncle was tortured for three days straight for doing that. I don't seem to remember Zimbabwe lifting a finger to interfere with the pseudo-democratically elected National Party.

When Mugabe instituted policies of extremist reconciliation, South Africa was in the worst position it had been in, in its history. Civil unrest, economic downturn, a newly toppled government and social system were just the tip of the iceberg. There has been diplomatic pressure placed on the Mugabe Regime, but ultimately South Africa is not ready to engage it's direct neighbour.

There is no reason you cannot comment on [stupid name] remarks. However, I do not believe you can fairly state what is the minds of black Africans. Furthermore, how can my being South Africa possibly discredit me to speak on Southern Africa?

In 1998 the world wasn't living on a knife-edge, spurred by a clash between the Arab and Western worlds. A lot has changed. A lot still needs to change. But, for now, Zimbabwe is on its' own. I don't like it, but it is the way it must be. To build a strong Africa, South Africa needs to be strong.

Finally, do not be so underhanded and devious as to state the ANC is instituting a secret plot to gain control over Southern Africa. That's just silly, and I think you know it.

Yes and I'd like all idots from america to jump into the ocean, but then there would be no population.

Personally if it wasn't for Europe, africa could have destroyed itself. Think of a world where we didn't colonise africa? We might not have given blacks rights, and we might not have learned to respect each other, despite race and religion (Except Muslims. they hate everyone) .

Learn frome your mistakes and you'll never make it twice.

You appear to have added more to your post. I will now address what I presume to be the new points


suppose South Africa should open it's border to Zimbabwe, because we have such a massive budget surplus anyway? This sounds like the worst type of European or American responses.......

Lastly, "And something tells me you don't speak for coloured Africans, I think it's the white thing, but I could be wrong." Do you really beleive in your rainbow dream if you would make a comment like this? I beleive I speak from a legitimate Zimbabwean point of view, probably the overwehlming majority point of view. Only the regime talks in colours any more, and I can't remember the last time any Zimbabwean said to my face that whites were the problem. Even ZANU (PF) members will say behind closed doors that it is one faction dominating ZANU (PF) and their South African backers who are racist and Mugabe is playing them to stay in power.
America and Europe are in a position to consider responding, without imploding. There's really no comparrison.

Do not use my statement out of context. The statement refered to your inability to comment on the opinions of black Africans, as you did, because of your race. This isn't Fox News. So I won't stand for being missquoted like that.

Do I believe in "The Rainbow Dream"? I like to think we all do.

I'm sure there are still ethnic Zimbabwians who believe whites are the problem. Again, you might miss this because, you're white.

AGAIN, no one in the South African Government is behind some grand scheme to back the Mugabe Regime

Yes and I'd like all idots from america to jump into the ocean, but then there would be no population.

Personally if it wasn't for Europe, africa could have destroyed itself. Think of a world where we didn't colonise africa? We might not have given blacks rights, and we might not have learned to respect each other, despite race and religion (Except Muslims. they hate everyone) .

Learn frome your mistakes and you'll never make it twice.
Take your racist bullshit and piss off. The grown ups are having a conversation here.

Do not use my statement out of context. The statement refered to your inability to comment on the opinions of black Africans, as you did, because of your race.

I'm sure there are still ethnic Zimbabwians who believe whites are the problem. Again, you might miss this because, you're white.

AGAIN, no one in the South African Government is behind some grand scheme to back the Mugabe Regime

Your arguement is based on a view that we lead divided lives in sheltered complexes with security guards and razor wire for the twenty years between Mugabe's rise to power and the situation from 2000 onwards, your statement intimates that my race discredits my Africanness, your comment denies the facts on the ground, I didn't take your words out of context and no this isn't Fox news, nor should it be... I took what you said and put it in context. White Zimbabweans are less than 1% of all Zimbabweans, coloured (mixed anything) constitue 2%, there where never enough of us to live in some wonderland before 1980.

Take your racist bullshit and piss off. The grown ups are having a conversation here.
I agree with her!

And here I thought Liberia has been in an almost constant state of civil war since 1989. I guess the meaning of the words "most successful" is open to interpretation.

And, indeed, is nowhere near Southern Africa. It's nearer Europe than the Cape for godsakes...

Your arguement is based on a view that we lead divided lives in sheltered complexes with security guards and razor wire for the twenty years between Mugabe's rise to power and the situation from 2000 onwards, your statement intimates that my race discredits my Africanness, your comment denies the facts on the ground, I didn't take your words out of context and no this isn't Fox news, nor should it be... I took what you said and put it in context. White Zimbabweans are less than 1% of all Zimbabweans, coloured (mixed anything) constitue 2%, there where never enough of us to live in some wonderland before 1980.
No it's not. My argument is based on you previously stating what you believed was the opinion of black Africans. The bottom line is, you're not black. Ergo, you are not qualified to give that opinion.

My statement explicitly referred to that fact, and nothing else. The fact you miss interpreted it, deliberately or accidentally, does not change that fact.

I've ignored the gaited community comments and the wonderland ones, namely because they've irrelevant and appear to be ramblings.

I agree with her!
You agree with the nonsense they were spouting?

And, indeed, is nowhere near Southern Africa. It's nearer Europe than the Cape for godsakes...
I for one tought the entire post was a set up based on that!Anyone who would say Liberia is one of the most sucessful countries has no idea what they are talking about.What next ..Saying its the DRC or Sudan????

No it's not. My argument is based on you previously stating what you believed was the opinion of black Africans. The bottom line is, you're not black. Ergo, you are not qualified to give that opinion.

My statement explicitly referred to that fact, and nothing else. The fact you miss interpreted it, deliberately or accidentally, does not change that fact.

I've ignored the gaited community comments and the wonderland ones, namely because they've irrelevant and appear to be ramblings.

Wrong, I said that I spoke for African's which I have a claim to do, I said that Christian Africans, white and Black had some grounds to hold Muslim Africans to blame for their problems, (as I have been told in Nigeria, Tanzania and Kenya), but that that was no more a fair comment than whites are to blame.

The comment about gated communities is a ligitimate one, not simple ravings. This did not occure in Zimbabwe, we did not lead seperate lives. The same could not be said of SA

I for one tought the entire post was a set up based on that!Anyone who would say Liberia is one of the most sucessful countries has no idea what they are talking about.What next ..Saying its the DRC or Sudan????
Liberia's ok... I wouldn't call it a beacon of good standards. But there appears to moves to reform and improve the nation.

I for one tought the entire post was a set up based on that!Anyone who would say Liberia is one of the most sucessful countries has no idea what they are talking about.What next ..Saying its the DRC or Sudan????

There are many many problems in the African continent, and a great deal of them are to do with the presence of whites and white owned businesses, both before and after colonisation - what the west did when it ruled the place, what it did when it left (in many cases, precipitously), and what it continues to do to this day. Granted. But any thread that gives the solution as the expulsion of white people is either
(a) a knowing troll or
(b) wilfully naive about the modern world.

Given the woeful lack of geography and geo-politics, i'm tending towards (a)

You agree with the nonsense they were spouting?

No, with you

Liberia's ok... I wouldn't call it a beacon of good standards. But there appears to moves to reform and improve the nation.

Liberia is moving along the correct track to become an actual nation instead of a war-torn hellhole, yeah, agreed. But "successful"? By what, if any, standards?

Liberia's ok... I wouldn't call it a beacon of good standards. But there appears to moves to reform and improve the nation.
I have been talking to some irish troops who have returned after peace keeping duties including some rangers and they said that the people were war weary and really looking forward to democratic process.There are still a few factions around Monrovia and Freetown who don't want to give up their tribal cheifs/warlords.The feeling is that if the UN pulls out that thes factions would almost certainly go back to their old ways.

Wrong, I said that I spoke for African's which I have a claim to do, I said that Christian Africans, white and Black had some grounds to hold Muslim Africans to blame for their problems, (as I have been told in Nigeria, Tanzania and Kenya), but that that was no more a fair comment than whites are to blame.

The comment about gated communities is a ligitimate one, not simple ravings. This did not occure in Zimbabwe, we did not lead seperate lives. The same could not be said of SA
I am refering to post 149. Which in context with your previous two posts, indicates you are refering to what you believe is the dominent opinion of black africans.

Look, I'm coloured and lived in a gated community, with black servents. It's the way South Africa is. It's a rich-poor situation, not a white-black one.

No, with you
Oh, I'm a guy ;)

I have been talking to some irish troops who have returned after peace keeping duties including some rangers and they said that the people were war weary and really looking forward to democratic process.There are still a few factions around Monrovia and Freetown who don't want to give up their tribal cheifs/warlords.The feeling is that if the UN pulls out that thes factions would almost certainly go back to their old ways.
From the official government line, the Liberian Army is on track. Right now, the UN is needed, until Liberia can -at the very least- provide domestic security.

Which the probably will, I don't know how soon, but they will.

If Liberia can make it, it will be a great example to use. Let's just hope the corruption fighters, democratic reformers and life improvers stay true and remain in control.

This thread is like Attack of the South Africans. For the record, I still live here in SA.

I don't think all white people should get out of SA or Africa in general. Sure, they (generally speaking of course) royally messed up the continent and the effect of their actions is still going strong but that's in the past now. I (personally speaking of course) don't place any blame on the new generation. Unless they are blatantly racist and do stuff like move to the US and then apply for scholarships for African-Americans. That pisses me off. Or if they whine about there not being jobs available for white Safricans when there clearly are. That too, pisses me off. Just don't be stupid and that goes for all people everywhere.

It's 4am, so I'm off to be. I need to be up a 6am. (I know, I know). So good night all!

This thread is like Attack of the South Africans. For the record, I still live here in SA..
Good on you. I left before Mandela took office. Infact we have photos of Madela's fist speech after being realised, taken just before we left. I'm going back for a little while in febuary.

Oh, I'm a guy ;)


Sorry, the Span Queen threw me about you gender. It was a silly thing and I appologies

What I ment by Black Governments is exactly that, governments, not people. There can be no denial that Sub-saharan African governments are predominatly Black as apposed to being multiracial or non racial. I conceed that the phrase must be a tad distastful for a South African. Please don't claim I don't know what I'm talking about when I say that this is Mugabe's sales pitch or that it is convienint for African Governments to blame the evil white West from time to time... the proof is everywhere to be seen

As for South African domminace of Africa, sorry mate, but you are wrong, unbeleivably wrong. All governments are inherant power grabbers, there is no reason to beleive that the SA government under TB is any different on this matter to its predessesors, the US, China, Britain etc etc etc... In fact, behaviour on the ground (from our side of the fence) supports this idea. Remember power isn't always about guns and troops, Britain's power is garenteed by other people's debts, their companies and their markets....

From the official government line, the Liberian Army is on track. Right now, the UN is needed, until Liberia can -at the very least- provide domestic security.

Which the probably will, I don't know how soon, but they will.

If Liberia can make it, it will be a great example to use. Let's just hope the corruption fighters, democratic reformers and life improvers stay true and remain in control.
It does go to show that even if in the past the west has abused its position in Africa it now has a chance to redeem itself in the eyes of the nations and peoples of Africa.We should not waste this chance,but we should thread carefully so as not tar the entire continent with the same brush when it comes to helping these very dirverse nations resolve their problems.

Night night all, sleep well...

As a peace-loving devout North African muslim, it is clear to me why these infidels should stop inhabiting lands such as South Africa and only corrupt Europe with their ideals.

Take for example the state of South Africa. It was an exemplary nation, with a great climate and happy peoples with a relaxed agricultural lifestyle. Then, the Europeans in their greed for land decided to occupy the country and bring it to war. Then, the pigs started fighting for the land amongst each other, bringing disruption and chaos. They disrupted the peaceful African tribes living there.

Today, much of Africa's poverty can be traced back in history to European occupation. They have brought corruption and greed to the formerly peaceful and noble peoples living there. Is it only a coincidence, that Liberia, one of the few black run nations, is also one of the most successful ones in southern Africa? I think not.

It is time for these infidels to give up their wrongful grips on this territory and let the native people living there thrive without their capitalist corruption.

Edit: I also heard of Tony Blair's plan to recapture South Africa. This is
disgusting...
:sniper:
RECAPTURE South Africa??
WHAT?
Ok IF you get all the Europeans out of Africa can the US get all Osama and his followers to go on vacation all at once on a small island in the pacific of our choice to be nuked back to the stone age??

Conspiracy nutjobs..

HATE THEM..

How Dare you claim such a qualification? Last time I checked South Africans treated Zimbabwean refugees the same way the British treat asylum seekers, lock us up in detention centres and ship us off, back to the dictator's grip and death. South Africans have for too long hid behind Mandela and the "Rainbow Nation" facarde and dared to claim they speak for other Africans when you have nothing but disdain for us. I am a Zimbabwean who happens to be white, not even my Shona mother in law would dare accuse me of not being able to speak for my people and my country (and she hates me).:mad:

Actually, if the British Public, God Save the Queen, had it's way asylum seekers would be sunk in the middle of the ocean or used for genetic experimentation. So be thankful for our crappy government.

:sniper:
RECAPTURE South Africa??
WHAT?
Ok IF you get all the Europeans out of Africa can the US get all Osama and his followers to go on vacation all at once on a small island in the pacific of our choice to be nuked back to the stone age??

Conspiracy nutjobs..

HATE THEM..
Yeah the British public would really love to pay for that:rolleyes:

Yeah the British public would really love to pay for that:rolleyes:
HOW RICH IS YA??
GAWD.. (I'm an American BTW) The amount of Money getting flushed away in Iraq and Afghanistan (NOT TO MENTION THE human cost) is really insane.
IMAGINE the price tag on that deal...
GOD I'd love 0.01% of that... I'd be freakin' richer then Bill Gates.

Actually, if the British Public, God Save the Queen, had it's way asylum seekers would be sunk in the middle of the ocean or used for genetic experimentation. So be thankful for our crappy government.
SOunds like some people here in the states..

BTW I hear Canada is very OPEN about allowing people in...
and there's PLENTY OF SPACE...

SOunds like some people here in the states..

BTW I hear Canada is very OPEN about allowing people in...
and there's PLENTY OF SPACE...
Sure... if you send them up to NTW, Nunavut (which is between Alluvit and Sumavit - heh) and the Yukon. Lots of space there.

Ugh, the whole premise of this thread is like so, 40,000 BC.

Actually, if the British Public, God Save the Queen, had it's way asylum seekers would be sunk in the middle of the ocean or used for genetic experimentation. So be thankful for our crappy government.

Whyever should they be thankful? Thery should be bloody well on their knees begging for mercy.:p

Now I'm really confused here.... ignoring the right and wrongs of black/white South Africans.... isn't the fact that wwwwtf claims to be a devout North African Muslim a reason for pause?

The fact that he is a muslim is due to lots of arabs swarming over North Africa from what is now Saudi Arabia and subjugating the local indigenous populations and forcing religion on them.

Weren't the muslims the first peoples to travel to central and southern Africa to find slaves?

Was it not europeans who (eventually) stopped this?

Is it not true that the last country that still has slavery is a devout muslim North African country, who have blacks as slaves?

Is it also not true that things are so good in North Africa that hundreds of thousands of presumably devout muslim North Africans feel the need to leave and enter europe to work?

As a european I humbly apologise for being responsible for all of this, as I'm sure you will find some way to turn it round so us poor white folks is to blame for all the world's problems.

Should this apology not be suitable, please feel free to strap on a few pounds of semtex and debate the point the only way you and your kind know how....

I feel a lot of sympathy to the real devout muslims who have to put up with your kind.

Actually, if the British Public, God Save the Queen, had it's way asylum seekers would be sunk in the middle of the ocean or used for genetic experimentation. So be thankful for our crappy government.

I think its more like "if the British Media, had its way" This country has been built on successive waves of immigrants of one form or another right from the year dot.... The Queen herself is descended from German George I.

Besides if it wasn't for asylum seekers and immigrants we would be really short of people to do the really crap jobs that English people won't get off their backsides and stop claiming benefits to do.

And there are still people who don't get it; the OP was parodying the calls to deport all Muslims from Europe and send them to the Middle East. I repeat:

The entire thread is a parody!!!

Thank you. You may now return to your lives.

:rolleyes: Civil War is good! It means they are fighting for their rights as a people and developing into a role model country.


What vomit-coloured glasses have YOU been looking through? :rolleyes:

Well, seeing as everyone hates me, anyway, thought I'd throw my two cents in here, too :)

Well, lessee...prior to the foreign conquest of Africa, we had a sparsely populated tribal system, marked by its dictatorial government systems and occasional wars.
Now we toss in expatriots and we have an oppressed continent controlled by powerful dictators with no respect for civil liberties or human rights.
Now we take the expatriots out of power...and we have a continent totally uneducated on how to handle the beaurocratic structure erected by foreign nationals and descending back into warfare.
So, in summary, foreign nations totally screwed the continent over, and their leaving hasn't helped a damned thing. At the moment, foreign aid is serving to stabilize the situation, but the minute that aid gets pulled away....mass warfare for natural resources. Africa is supporting a population far beyond what its natural resources can sustain, and I see no way whatsoever to salvage it.

The opinions above are based upon 3 years living in Madagascar and 4 in Malawi. No, I'm not 7, I've lived in the united states most of my life.

Wow, if I was a troll I'd come here all the time.

13 pages??? For shame people :D

(and yes I realize my post is feeding the troll, I can recognize that ;) )

Sorry, the Span Queen threw me about you gender. It was a silly thing and I appologies

What I ment by Black Governments is exactly that, governments, not people. There can be no denial that Sub-saharan African governments are predominatly Black as apposed to being multiracial or non racial. I conceed that the phrase must be a tad distastful for a South African. Please don't claim I don't know what I'm talking about when I say that this is Mugabe's sales pitch or that it is convienint for African Governments to blame the evil white West from time to time... the proof is everywhere to be seen

As for South African domminace of Africa, sorry mate, but you are wrong, unbeleivably wrong. All governments are inherant power grabbers, there is no reason to beleive that the SA government under TB is any different on this matter to its predessesors, the US, China, Britain etc etc etc... In fact, behaviour on the ground (from our side of the fence) supports this idea. Remember power isn't always about guns and troops, Britain's power is garenteed by other people's debts, their companies and their markets....
However, there's no evidence to support your claims. We need to move past these rediculous claims and focus on the actual problem. The Mugabe Regime.

And there are still people who don't get it; the OP was parodying the calls to deport all Muslims from Europe and send them to the Middle East. I repeat:

The entire thread is a parody!!!

Thank you. You may now return to your lives.
Go away

However, there's no evidence to support your claims. We need to move past these rediculous claims and focus on the actual problem. The Mugabe Regime.


You are right that the Regime is the problem. I won't go on and on about SA's complicity. All I will say is that this is something we (Zimbabweans) believe. That there is complicity from within the ANC membership is a point of view that we will just have to disagree about.

As a peace-loving devout North African muslim, it is clear to me why these infidels should stop inhabiting lands such as South Africa and only corrupt Europe with their ideals.

I wasn't going to reply to this because it is clear trolling, but now that it's gone on for 5 pages (I set mine to 40 posts per page), I feel I must speak up.

"There are indeed people who boast of their dead ancestors; but in the sight
of Allah they are more contemptible than the black beetle that rolls a piece
of dung with its nose. Behold, Allah has removed from you the arrogance of
the Time of Jahiliyyah (Ignorance) with its boast of ancestral glories. Man
is but an Allah-fearing believer or an unfortunate sinner. All people are
the children of Adam, and Adam was created out of dust." - Muhammad(pbuh)

"O mankind, verily We have created you from a male and a female, and made
you peoples and tribes, so that you may recognize each other." - Qu'ran 49:13

You should pray concerning your petty nationalism that Allah may rightly guide you.

Another reason I think whites/Europeans should not be expelled from Africa: I personally plan to move there myself. Why? To help the people there. I don't know exactly what I'll do (probably be a teacher), but I plan to do whatever I can to help them.

And there are still people who don't get it; the OP was parodying the calls to deport all Muslims from Europe and send them to the Middle East. I repeat:

The entire thread is a parody!!!

Thank you. You may now return to your lives.
And you are certain of this because...?

Hey Keru- Thanks for the new idea for a Poll! Woo Hoo! Post Count!

The only people who should be expeled from Africa is any is the Communists