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I used Smunkeeville's idea and make a plot of everybody's politcal score (www.politicalcompass.org). This is what I have to far (it sucks, I know):

http://alemea.freecoolsite.com/NSGraph.swf

I added a couple people from their sigs, and I added a search funciton (press 'f' and enter a name or the first couple letters of one to find the people who match those characters). If you're not already in it, can you please give me your politcal score so I can add it? Also, any suggestions on how to improve it are welcome. :)

Ohh, ohh, add me! In my sig...

Ohh, ohh, add me! In my sig...

Thanks, I updated it.

Swimmingpool once created one, rather elegant too, but he's since vanished from the forums. I think Czardas may have saved the link somewhere...

go ahead and add me anyways. 'tis in my sig.

Swimmingpool once created one, rather elegant too, but he's since vanished from the forums. I think Czardas may have saved the link somewhere...

go ahead and add me anyways. 'tis in my sig.

Yeah, he made a really cool one, but it was from a while ago and some of the users on now aren't on it, and some of the users on it aren't on now. His was very elegant, though -- very well-formatted with tons of people on it.

Thanks for your political info.

Add mine: (It's in the sig, but it's pretty small I think)

Economic Left/Right: 5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.28

Add mine: (It's in the sig, but it's pretty small I think)

Economic Left/Right: 5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.28

Thanks. Both you and Achtung 45 have been added.

Ooo, I'm already on there. I feel so special :D

Me too! Me too!

-10 economic, -7 liberal.

Me too! Me too!

-10 economic, -7 liberal.

Thanks. I added you (and I also added Bolol from his sig -- please tell me if that data's wrong). You're the most leftist economically so far. Congrats!

Here is mine:

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 2.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.00

Took the test a few hours ago....

Thanks. I added you (and I also added Bolol from his sig -- please tell me if that data's wrong). You're the most leftist economically so far. Congrats!

YAY!!! *dances happily*

Here is mine:

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 2.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.00

Took the test a few hours ago....

Thanks, I added you. The Blessed Chris must be feeling very alone way out there in the right.

I know I already asked in another thread, but could someone export it to a sane file format, I mean, one with open and standardised specs, like PNG or JPG ? That would be great, thanks a lot :)

Closed file formats are so evil :( :(

Sorry, I can't make it a .png because it would just be a blank screen -- everything's added at runtime. But .swf is not a closed file format.

Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.31

hehe

Very nice!

Just took the test...I'm moving more and more to Libertarianism...

Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.41

Thanks, I added you both.

Okay, I'm pretty much computer-illiterate, so don't hate me - but am I the only one who can see the thing but all the nations are tinytinytiny (much tinier than this!)?

If I'm not greatly mistaken, I'm already in it... First time ever this stupid long-ass user name has been good for anything - at least it's still halfway discernible in nanometer size. :p

Okay, I'm pretty much computer-illiterate, so don't hate me - but am I the only one who can see the thing but all the nations are tinytinytiny (much tinier than this!)?

If I'm not greatly mistaken, I'm already in it... First time ever this stupid long-ass user name has been good for anything - at least it's still halfway discernible in nanometer size.

Move your cursor over the dots, and you'll see the name (and the data) in big letters in the upper left-hand corner.

Okay, I'm pretty much computer-illiterate, so don't hate me - but am I the only one who can see the thing but not click in it and all the nations are tinytinytiny (much tinier than this!)?

If I'm not greatly mistaken, I'm already in it... First time ever this stupid long-ass user name has been good for anything - at least it's still halfway discernible in nanometer size. :p
right click over the graph and select "zoom in," works for me.

Why would you want to click around in it, dear?
Hush, couldn't you have waited two seconds till after I edited it? Sigh.

Also, move your cursor over the dots, and you'll see the name (and the data) in big letters in the upper left-hand corner.
right click over the graph and select "zoom in," works for me.
Duh.
Thank you guys! As soon as I'll be done being embarrassed, I'll be much the happier for it. :)

Oh, and where are my manners?
Thank you for making that, Begoned, that's really cool.

Hush, couldn't you have waited two seconds till after I edited it? Sigh.

Ditto..

Ditto..
:D Only just saw this, sorry...

can you add mine too?

pick me! pick me!

check sig

(i like feeling important - plus i think i might be out on an island :p )

Swimmingpool once created one, rather elegant too, but he's since vanished from the forums. I think Czardas may have saved the link somewhere...

go ahead and add me anyways. 'tis in my sig.

Swimmingpool's still around, just as a different nation.

Swimmingpool's still around, just as a different nation.
yeah, i just saw that in another thread.

Thanks Tremerica and Fleckenstein, I added you. And Whereyouthinkyougoing -- yes, the zoom is a problem, but I'm working on it. In a couple of days, I'll try to post an update where you can zoom in/out and move it around with the arrow keys. I might also make the text size customizeable, if you think that's a good idea.

Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.62

^^

Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.62

^^

I added you, thanks. Also, does anyone want the .fla file (to make improvements or something)?

Add mine so the average can be swayed further to the left. (in sig)

Moi:
Economic Left/Right: -10.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.03

Just took the test again - I'm proud to see I'm getting more socially liberal. Going for a -10.00,-10.00 here.

Moi:
Economic Left/Right: -10.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.03

Just took the test again - I'm proud to see I'm getting more socially liberal. Going for a -10.00,-10.00 here.

Thanks, I added you. You're now the most leftist person on the graph, though. Congrats! :)

Thanks, I added you. You're now the most leftist person on the graph, though. Congrats! :)
Heh, until Potaria/us came along, that is. I'll equal him one day...

EDIT: Is there any way to get the zoomed in field to show the whole of the names on the edges? It seems to cut them off.

Heh, until Potaria/us came along, that is. I'll equal him one day...

EDIT: Is there any way to get the zoomed in field to show the whole of the names on the edges? It seems to cut them off.

Well, you were the #1 leftist for a couple of minutes until I saw Potarius' sig. :)

No, there is no way to do that yet, but I'm working on it. It'll be done in a couple days. If the dot is in the field of view, you can put your mouse over it while fully zoomed out so the data is displayed in the top left, but that's all you can do so far. Sorry about that.

Mine's in the sig, could you add it?

Edit: Oh, it's there already. Cool :)

Greetings.
I would like to be included.
Tyslan,
Economic Left/Right: -2.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.79

Thanks.
- Veritas

Greetings.
I would like to be included.
Tyslan,
Economic Left/Right: -2.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.79

Thanks.
- Veritas

Thanks, I added you. I also added a very primitive version of the zoom in/move function. Move with the arrow keys, zoom in/out with the 'w' and 's' keys. It is glitchy at the moment, it zooms in towards the center of the graph, not at the center of your screen, and the text does not get bigger if you zoom in. I'm still working on those. Please tell me if you find any other glitches with it though (it also does not work well in conjunction to right-clicking and zooming in).

Might as well add my point to the graph.

Might as well add my point to the graph.

Thanks, I added yours too. Now it's up to 42 points! :)

Thanks, I added you. I also added a very primitive version of the zoom in/move function. Move with the arrow keys, zoom in/out with the 'w' and 's' keys. It is glitchy at the moment, it zooms in towards the center of the graph, not at the center of your screen, and the text does not get bigger if you zoom in. I'm still working on those. Please tell me if you find any other glitches with it though (it also does not work well in conjunction to right-clicking and zooming in).
Ace, that works better. Can I also reccomend a border for the edge of the graph?

Ace, that works better. Can I also reccomend a border for the edge of the graph?

Good idea, thanks. I updated it, and it now has a border. Also, pressing 'ctrl' will make the text 14-point instead of 10.

can you please give me your politcal score so I can add it? Also, any suggestions on how to improve it are welcome. :)


This is the centrist me:-)

Economic Left/Right: 1.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.05

Wow, I'm in there already. That's kinda cool. I want so see where Bottle and Can not think of a name fall, since I agree with them 99% of the time.

This is the centrist me:-)

Economic Left/Right: 1.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.05

Thanks, I added you. You're the most centrist so far. :)

This is probably the final update, and I have improved the zoom function ('w' and 's' to zoom in/out), the scroll function (move your mouse to any edge to move the graph to that side, or use the arrow keys), and the text size (press control to go from 10-pt to anything up to 18-pt).

Feel free to add me. I had an idea for something like this a while ago, but didn't get around to it. I planned to create a wiki somewhere so everyone could add themselves to it, kinda like this:

allthenamesarereserved, +-x.xx, +-x.xx.

Then export them to a .csv so you can automate the import into the Flash file. It'd make it easier than importing them by hand, I think. I was also going to extend the idea and find out once and for all what the average political leaning of this forum is. So many people believe it's pretty leftish, but to my knowledge, no one knows for sure.

Feel free to add me. I had an idea for something like this a while ago, but didn't get around to it. I planned to create a wiki somewhere so everyone could add themselves to it, kinda like this:

allthenamesarereserved, +-x.xx, +-x.xx.

Then export them to a .csv so you can automate the import into the Flash file. It'd make it easier than importing them by hand, I think. I was also going to extend the idea and find out once and for all what the average political leaning of this forum is. So many people believe it's pretty leftish, but to my knowledge, no one knows for sure.

Thanks, I added you. I had a similar idea as your second one, and yes, it would have been easier. But I'm too much of a computer noob to know how to do that, so I took the easy way out. :) There's also the problem of making sure that random people aren't submitting bogus information under false names.

Also, with the data so far (only 49 people, so not truly representative of the entire forum, but it's probably a good estimate), the average political leaning is -2.5 economic and -3.68 social, which is indeed moderately leftish.

Swimmingpool once created one, rather elegant too, but he's since vanished from the forums. I think Czardas may have saved the link somewhere...

http://www.iol.ie/~roto/nspolc2.jpg

Smunkeeville's idea

kids these days... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-343596.html)

Ooh! Ooh! This is very neat, if you're still accepting people...

Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54

Ooh! Ooh! This is very neat, if you're still accepting people...

Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54

Yup, I updated it, thanks. You're now the 50th person! :)

Sorry for not giving you credit, Free Soviets. What I meant to say was that I got the idea from Smunkeeville, although it may not have been his idea originally. I didn't know it was actually your idea. :(

Also, with the data so far (only 49 people, so not truly representative of the entire forum, but it's probably a good estimate), the average political leaning is -2.5 economic and -3.68 social, which is indeed moderately leftish.

White Hat's findings on last february's version:

Most of the useful information from the NS Political Compass can be divined from a visual examination of Swimmingpool’s chart (http://www.iol.ie/~roto/nspolc2.jpg) . However, for those that asked for numbers, here are some descriptive statistics. The sample is not a scientific one, so they should not be taken too seriously. They were derived in S-Plus 2000 (not the ideal Stats package, but the one I happen to have on my PC). A lot of this stuff I haven’t done since college, so apologies for any errors. I have used definitions as presented in the Political Compass website (http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/index.php) – there’s not any real alternative given that they operationalised the concepts under review.


Summary statistics

Count: 273

Averages:
Mean: economic: -1.85; social: -3.09
Median: economic: -3.13; social: 3.90
Modal rounded values: economic: -5; social: -6
Maximum: economic: 10; social: 8.97
Minimum: economic: -10; social: -9.64

Correlation: 0.54

From this we may deduce that the sample leans to the left in economics terms, and towards social libertarianism. Furthermore, there’s a full range of possible values, so we know the distribution is skewed. We might also tentatively suggest that extreme views in economics are more likely to be ideological; that is to say, more ready to accept absolutes.
There is a reasonable positive correlation observed between social and economic results, so we may conclude that those respondents on the left economically are more likely to be socially liberal.
No surprises so far.


Linear regression

If we fit a linear regression line to the result, we find a line defined by:

Economic score = 0.4 x Social score – 2.4, with R^2=0.3.

We can draw no conclusions about causation from this, but it may be of interest that, assuming both scales to be calibrated to a zero-mid point, respondents are likely to be disproportionately social liberal relative to their economic views.


Multi-Variate Analysis:

Variance in results: Using Principal Components Analysis, we find that 77% of the variance in the results could be explained by an (underlying) single dimension. This is interesting in the context of the website’s claim that a two-dimensional map is needed to explain political positions. These results suggest that the bulk of our results could in fact be plotted on a more traditional, simple left/right axis.

Clusters: there are not really any easily identifiable clusters. However, if we use agglomerative hierarchical clustering, we can broadly identify five groups of respondents, identified below with the Political Compass’s analysis of international representatives and mean scores for the economic and social scales respectively:

Moderate left (The Pope): 34 members; -2.3, 1.0
Libertarian left (The Dalai Lama): 144 members; -5.9, -5.4
Libertarian right (Friedman): 38 members; 4.0; -5.5
Moderate right (Tony Blair): 50 members; 4.3, 1.2,
Authoritarian right (Maggie Thatcher): 7 members; 8.0; 7.2

Interestingly, although the other clusters come and go according to the clustering technique applied, the last cluster remains largely untouched by the choice of analysis or group number. They just don’t seem to want to join the rest of the group.


That’s enough statistics.

Sorry for not giving you credit, Free Soviets. What I meant to say was that I got the idea from Smunkeeville, although it may not have been his idea originally. I didn't know it was actually your idea. :(

it's ok, that was quite a long time ago - which probably says sad things about me

it's ok, that was quite a long time ago - which probably says sad things about me

Nah, it's completely my fault. I added something at the bottom saying "original idea by Free Soviets and Swimmingpool." :)

agglomerative hierarchical clustering

Wow, he really lost me there. But nice, painstaking, analysis!

Social: -4
Economic: 4

(best approximation of my other scores)

yo, mine is

Economic Left/Right: -5.95
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.75

Thanks.

Can you add me, please? I think The Blessed Chris needs some company way out there in the right and I'm just the man with just the score to go out there with him. :D

(My score is in my sig)

Put Europa Maxima and Fiddles scores on there, as I'm very interested to see what they would get.

White Hat's findings on last february's version:
You know...the worst thing is that I understand all that. :(

You know...the worst thing is that I understand all that. :(

If I had a hat it would be doffed to your superior knowledge. As it is I have no hat (well, I have several, but am currently wearing none of them), and so am spared that humiliation.

If I had a hat it would be doffed to your superior knowledge. As it is I have no hat (well, I have several, but am currently wearing none of them), and so am spared that humiliation.
Meh, I did a whole year of stats at uni, and it was the most boring time I have ever had.

And I'm pretty sure that knowing statistics lowers your attractiveness to the female sex by a mean value of about three standard deviations.

Economic Left/Right: -4.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.54

Wow, I used to be negative seven point something economically. Also, I have moved a bit (not even half a point) more negative socially.

Also, for your chart, make it so either the mouse cannot move the graph, or place a limit on how far it can move away from center. Also, since it can move, you should try to make it bigger. You probably will start to run out of space in the bottom left quadrant.

If this is still being done and the sig shows up, you might as well add mine.

Here's me:
Economic Left/Right: -4.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.33

Me too, me too!
(I don't think I could get more central if I TRIED!

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 0.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.97

Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26

Thanks Posi, SimNewtonia II, NYC, Qwystyria, and Avertide for submitting your info. I added you.

And thanks for your suggestions, Posi. I have made it so that the mouse can only move the graph a certain amount off-center. As to making it bigger -- what screen resolution do you have? It's already too big to fit on my screen.

Thanks Posi, SimNewtonia II, NYC, Qwystyria, and Avertide for submitting your info. I added you.

And thanks for your suggestions, Posi. I have made it so that the mouse can only move the graph a certain amount off-center. As to making it bigger -- what screen resolution do you have? It's already too big to fit on my screen.

Can you add me, please? I think The Blessed Chris needs some company way out there in the right and I'm just the man with just the score to go out there with him.

(My score is in my sig)

Put Europa Maxima and Fiddles scores on there, as I'm very interested to see what they would get.


Economic Left/Right: 7.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.97
4 on the Moral Order axis and -4 on the Moral Rules axis.
Fiscally I'm very conservative but socially I'm more moderate, yet leaning conservative.

Thats what it says on my sig..thanks.

Can you add me, please?
Put Europa Maxima and Fiddles scores on there, as I'm very interested to see what they would get.

Sorry for not putting you up last time. I didn't think there was anybody I didn't add on the 4th page, and I went straight to the 5th, skipping you. Sorry. :(

I added you, but I have no clue what Europa Maxima and Fiddles' scores are. It doesn't say in their sigs.

Sorry for not putting you up last time. I didn't think there was anybody I didn't add on the 4th page, and I went straight to the 5th, skipping you. Sorry. :(

I added you, but I have no clue what Europa Maxima and Fiddles' scores are. It doesn't say in their sigs.

Lol..its ok...and dont worry...I wont lose sleep over their scores, they will proably tell you sooner or later if they want themselves on the chart.

Anyway thanks for putting me up...and I have a question, why cant I find this on NS General?

Also, if you tried to add me, it didnt work because its not showing my name on the chart.

Also, if you tried to add me, it didnt work because its not showing my name on the chart.

It's working for me -- I can see you on the graph. Are you sure you have the right link?

http://alemea.freecoolsite.com/NSGraph.swf

If you do have the right link and still can't see yourself, I don't know what the problem is. Maybe some sort of cookie thing...?

Add me then

Economic Left/Right: -9.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.05

Cheers

Thanks Posi, SimNewtonia II, NYC, Qwystyria, and Avertide for submitting your info. I added you.

And thanks for your suggestions, Posi. I have made it so that the mouse can only move the graph a certain amount off-center. As to making it bigger -- what screen resolution do you have? It's already too big to fit on my screen.
I have my screen at 1280x960. It just fits in the window. I mean just make the graph itself bigger. Since you can move it around on the screen you can move it around and see what particular part of the graph you want.

But thanks for limiting the range of the graph. I lost it a few times before you put that in.

Ooooh! Add me!
Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.15

I’m the most authoritarian on the graph (so far)!!! Yippee! Long live totalitarianism!!!!!

It's working for me -- I can see you on the graph. Are you sure you have the right link?

http://alemea.freecoolsite.com/NSGraph.swf

If you do have the right link and still can't see yourself, I don't know what the problem is. Maybe some sort of cookie thing...?

Dont worry, I'm just an idiot...its working fine now.

Thanks DHomme and Sheni, I added you. Since some things didn't work on the .swf file, the new link is:

http://alemea.freecoolsite.com/NSGraph.html

Also, Posi, the current version is 1000 * 1000. How big would you like it to be?

Tremerica, you are pretty alone out there. There's only one person in your quadrant, and they're very far away from you. :)

Yeah, Swimmingpool made a really cool one, but it was from a while ago and some of the users on now aren't on it, and some of the users on it aren't on now. His was very elegant, though -- very well-formatted with tons of people on it.

Thanks for your political info.
Yo, wat up G? I'm so back and crazier than ever! Thanks for the compliments, y'all. I'll pass the torch and let others do the work of building these graphs. It was about a year ago that I made the last one.

I've moved a little more rightward economically and more socially libertarian; my scores are now:

Economic L/R: 6.22
Social L/A: -3.31

I've changed in a lot less than a year.

Economic Left/Right: -5.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.95

Economic Left/Right: 4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 4.26

3.5 on the Moral Order axis
-3 on the Moral Rules axis

Meh, whatever.

In my signature.

Economic Left/Right: -4.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72