NationStates Jolt Archive

Who hates kids? I sure do, and I hate all these bastards always shouting, “think of the children!”

If I want to watch porn or see somebody’s head blown off, I should be able to find that on cable television in the middle of the day, but no, we have all these “concerned” parents who won’t dare have their child exposed to sex or violence. If they were really concerned, they wouldn’t be letting their kid watch TV in the middle of the day, they’d have their fat little asses outside. They could at least get a V-Chip for God’s sake.
That is without even considering that exposure to violence and sex isn’t even that bad for a kid.

“But, Undelia, what about Columbine?”
STFU! You’re full of shit and you know it. Those kids were fucked up long before they got a hold of Duke Nukem, and NEWS FLASH, as the sale of violent video games has risen, crime has dropped. Take that in the ass Bitchery Clinton. Not to mention, that If you really cared about your kid you’d watch what they purchased with what is more than likely your God damn money!

Besides, why all this fuss about kids? Kids fucking suck. Almost everyone without kids thinks so. We’re tired of listening to you bitch about how your daughter won’t stop loudly pointing out fat people or bragging about how your son scored the last point in his shit-fest of a soccer game that means precisely dick. STFU!
Have you ever seen a kid in public, you most likely have, they are fucking annoying! If they aren’t spinning around in circles, bumping into your leg or knocking shit over, they’re crying about something that won’t fucking matter in five minutes! People with kids and kids should have to sit in a separate section on airplanes called Bumbasses Who Bring Kids On A Trip And Their Kids Class.

So, kids suck, parents who won’t STFU suck and I want porn on basic cable.

"So, kids suck, parents who won’t STFU suck and I want porn on basic cable."

Uhhh.. you get it free online, dude.

I disagree wholeheartedly :D

Undelia, I feel your pain. There are few things quite as bad as a herd of unattended children squealing their way through Ikea...nothing.

See, I'm a little concerned that the ichor of your rant might detract from the very critical and vital need for porn on basic cable.

I agree with the original poster. And it seems that each new generation of kids is just getting ruder and ruder. At my high school, all the little kids are bastards. I remember when I was their age, and I lived in constant fear of the big kids. Whatever happened to that?

Who hates kids?

I like mine. I hate yours.

So, kids suck, parents who won’t STFU suck and I want porn on basic cable.

So do I ... and I'm a parent. I control what my kids see and I separate what I see from what they see. That's called: Responsible Parenting.

I feel for you. I genuinely do. I'm on your side, man. (woman?)

I was soooo pleased with the nipple at the Super Bowl. I was horrified by the response. I do not, in any way, believe the government, my neighbor, the church up the road, or you should be able to tell me what I can and cannot watch on TV.

I want porn during prime time network television.

If I see crap on my TV, know what I do? I turn it off and grab a book.

So I'm with you. Solidarity! Just don't blame all us parents. Blame the ones who want the TV and the Government to raise their kids for them.

"So, kids suck, parents who won’t STFU suck and I want porn on basic cable."

Uhhh.. you get it free online, dude.

In fact I know a great place you can....ummm...*whistling* >_> <_<

(Just kidding. Seriously.)


But yeah, Parents should handle these things, not teh gubernment or FCC

Well, undelia sure whines and bitches like a kid...

Undelia, you were once a kid and please don't act like one now.
Don't go blaming kids, it's the useless parents who want to use the TV or Internet as babysitters. When the porn or violence pops up, they moan and complain but don't take responsibility to educate their children.

Children will be children, curious as ever. Blame the parents.

I dont suck, im 15 1/2, and can say i enjoy watching peoples heads get blown off(W00t for Digital cable), and porn. So you, sir, need to sit down and be quiet.

i enjoy watching peoples heads get blown off(W00t for Digital cable), and porn.
But what do your parents think of that?
Don't go blaming kids, it's the useless parents who want to use the TV or Internet as babysitters. When the porn or violence pops up, they moan and complain but don't take responsibility to educate their children.

Children will be children, curious as ever. Blame the parents.
I am blaming the parents!

I dont suck, im 15 1/2, and can say i enjoy watching peoples heads get blown off(W00t for Digital cable), and porn. So you, sir, need to sit down and be quiet.

I think he was more on the subject of pre-pubescent....

I agree with the original poster. And it seems that each new generation of kids is just getting ruder and ruder. At my high school, all the little kids are bastards.
Jesus H Christ - all the frosh at my school are emo! It's like, could they get any angstier?!

I am blaming the parents!

Well stop going "Kids suck". They are product of the environment they get brought up in. Yes I find them annoying but I haven't forgotten I was once like them.

In Australia, cable TV content is even more limited than the USA. So you've got much it better than me if I do get cable. Most of the current content is movies and documentaries, much harder to get access to "less family friendly content".

Outside? Outside where? Suburbs are becoming more and more popular and are being built with less and less yard area. And public parks are being built less and less. Most of them are decades old.

I don't understand how someone can 'hate' kids. Why is that even acceptable? It's not okay to hate Jewish people, or Chinese people, but it's socially acceptable to hate kids?:confused:

That being said, I don't like that there are parents who let the TV raise thier kids, nor do I like it when kids ruin my movie (that I paid to see) by screaming, and crying, nor do I like teenagers who ruin my movie by talking on thier cell phones................

I think you don't really hate kids, I think you hate it when people are inconsiderate at any age.........at least I hope that's the case, because if you really do hate kids, you are going to have a hard time getting away from them.

When I was at school, I worked part-time in an Italian restaurant. We had birthday parties all the time, and sometimes we had families come in. Now one of the services the restaurant had, as do many others, was birthday cakes. You could have one rolled out, with the waiters singing happy birthday.

So one night the waiters had to roll one out for a group of families with particularly bratty kids. I was in the kitchen. And as the waiters sang Happy Birthday in the restaurant, the kitchen staff joined in:

Shove your birthday up yer arse!
Shove your birthday up yer arse!
Shove your birthday up yer aaa-arse!
And your chil-dren as well!

As I walked out into the restaurant through the kitchen door, I noted that our singing had been clearly audible.

It was a beautiful night. :D

I agree with the original poster. And it seems that each new generation of kids is just getting ruder and ruder. At my high school, all the little kids are bastards. I remember when I was their age, and I lived in constant fear of the big kids. Whatever happened to that?

Hey man, its not their fault, you let yourself get bitched around. You had just as much opportunity as them to say screw you to older kids who were being assholes. Meh, this whole argument is ridiculous.

Saying screw kids is about as hypocritical as it can get. First you were one once, and if you have taken the screw kids attitude, you were probably a brat. The pot calling the kettle black, if I don’t say so myself. Second of all, kids are the product of their environment, as was stated before. So blame the parents, hell blame yourself, you’re the role model they should be looking up to. Meh, that last one was a stretch.

Also, going on long whining rants about kids is pretty damn immature, even if you fill it with shits and fucks.

Final Verdict – Maddox does it better.

Well stop going "Kids suck". They are product of the environment they get brought up in.


I have peronal experience of this. I've mentioned my prejudice against black girls, I never knew why they were like that, they just were. One day, I notice one who's not like that at all, so I listen in on some conversation she's having in class. Turns out she was adopted. By white parents. I now understand the cause, and can say more or the subject of bad parenting. Wheeeeeee!

Kids are the future... today belongs to us!

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simpsons

Apparently, free speech comes with responsibilty. Maybe porn on basic cable is a slander on religion or something; after all you can't be to careful. I wouldn't want anyone stabbed to death after 'clear provocation', so it's probably best this way.

Saying screw kids is about as hypocritical as it can get. First you were one once, and if you have taken the screw kids attitude, you were probably a brat. The pot calling the kettle black, if I don’t say so myself. Second of all, kids are the product of their environment, as was stated before. So blame the parents, hell blame yourself, you’re the role model they should be looking up to. Meh, that last one was a stretch.


I can't say that I hate kids, though to tell the truth I can't stand most of the little buggers for long periods of time... however, I don't see why disliking/hating kids is hypocritical. Just because you used to be something doesn't mean you have to like it. I mean, if I went back in time and met myself as a kid, I probably wouldn't like me, and I wasn't even that bad of a kid.

I mean, if someone got hooked on drugs and made a mess out of their life because of it, but then decided to change things around and worked hard to get off the drugs, it wouldn't be hyprocritical for them to dislike drugs and drug addicts. It would be more like an extention of their dislike of what they allowed to happen to themselves. Not that that's exactly related to how people feel about children... Hm. Pointless ramblings!

Really though, I just don't like kids 'cause their noisy, often smell funny, and are sometimes rude. Parents are worse though. I hate the wave of entitlement and blame-shifting parents that are sweeping the continent.

I'd probably end up killing my *younger self* if I was a little less patient.
I was a ADHD-ish kid when young but snapped out of it.

I can't say that I hate kids, though to tell the truth I can't stand most of the little buggers for long periods of time... however, I don't see why disliking/hating kids is hypocritical. Just because you used to be something doesn't mean you have to like it. I mean, if I went back in time and met myself as a kid, I probably wouldn't like me, and I wasn't even that bad of a kid.

I mean, if someone got hooked on drugs and made a mess out of their life because of it, but then decided to change things around and worked hard to get off the drugs, it wouldn't be hyprocritical for them to dislike drugs and drug addicts. It would be more like an extention of their dislike of what they allowed to happen to themselves. Not that that's exactly related to how people feel about children... Hm. Pointless ramblings!

Really though, I just don't like kids 'cause their noisy, often smell funny, and are sometimes rude. Parents are worse though. I hate the wave of entitlement and blame-shifting parents that are sweeping the continent.

Hmm, you have a point there. Gah, I may be wrong! The horror! Yea that is a good analogy, perhaps I was a bit too quick to put that out there. I still think there are cases where it is applicable, but not as much as I originally stated, and for different reasons. Well, being a kid does have its bias, thanks for pointing that out for me.

Sure, I think kids that are not controlled by their parents are irritating. Sure, I don't think the government needs to regulate anything based on morals. I think that the parents should be responsible for what type of things their kids watch. I think pretty much everyone here agrees with you...

Regulation bothers me. But what bothers me is what is more regulated; how much violence is on TV compared to sex? (Obviously, not enough of either) But sex is regulated way more than violence.

Honestly, which is a kid more likely to see these days? A pair of titties? Or a dude getting his head blown off?

DOesn't matter to me. I've got HBO :D

ohforgodssake grow up, get a job, and subscribe to premium cable like the rest of us who want to see porn and violence in the middle of the day!

I agree wholeheartedly with those of you who hate children. I personally despise them to the point of wishing to kill all of them. Don't ask me why, I guess the little bastards just rub me the wrong way. I also hate irresponsible parents that neglect their children and allow too much sex and violence and so forth. And people need to chill out, and remember, YOUR KID ISN'T FUCKING SPECIAL!!!!!!! Just a thought.


Oh, and don't take me too seriously, I hate everyone and everything.

But what do your parents think of that?



They don't really care, im mature, and do not run around you in circles and cry about things that will not be important in 5 minutes.

I have to agree with the original post. I hate kids for the most part. But what is worse is I ALWAYs hate the parents WORSE when and IF I meet them. I usually don't because they usually let them roam around unattended.

Thent hey get upset when they are found at the bottom of the pool and sue becuase the lifeguards weren't holding onto the child's hand...

I think you should have to have a license to have children. I think it should be free but you have to take the test becuase that would solve a lot of issues. Unfortunatly it isn't feesable.

Bad parents should roll over and die (after the send their kids to better families...)


*edit* Okay, you want to know something funny...Everyone says I'm good with kids...I even love to face paint. and for the most part kids aren't bad. I still don't like them. I'm nice to them and I could work with them and take care of them but I would NEVER want any of my own.
Unless there was an accident....ya' know...
*end edit*

Who hates kids? I sure do, and I hate all these bastards always shouting, “think of the children!”

"Think of the children"? Yeah, I do think of them. I think they're undisciplined little brats, and I think their parents ought to be held responsible for it. We had a voter's referendum recently in the local area here where we were voting on whether or not the schools in the area should take out a bond (and raise taxes to pay for it), or just raise taxes in order to pay for these big ambitious projects they want to do, building more schools, expanding and improving the existing schools, and so forth. And what ammount of money to get the bond for if the bond vote passed - the ammount recommended by the state, or the ammount requested by the school board.

We walked into the school building to vote, and there were a group of middle aged ladies saying "think of the children..." and "it's for the children..." Y'know, if you want to help the children, allow discipline in schools. Raise the standards, and just don't let 'em pass if they can't pass. Make 'em learn cold hard facts, not just learn to "work together". Above all, making them more comfortable, and having lots of extra space and money isn't going to make them get a better education.

Fortunately, from what I saw, the bond and the tax raises were all defeated resoundingly. I pay lots of stupid school taxes for a school I will probably never use, and for kids I see every day walking by, undisciplined, spoiled, rude brats.

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A lady who lived near us when I was growing up was always very vocal about how my parents shouldn't spank us, and how we really should be in public school, not home schooled, and was very critical of their parenting in general. Then one day she said to my mom "You have such well-behaved kids. They're always so good and respectful. I can never get my kids to listen or do anything I tell them to. How do you do it? What's your secret?"

Heh.

It's my profession to be around adolescents 6hrs and 30 minutes a day, in packs of 34... and then I come on Nationstates.

Kids do not suck. What some of their parents accept from and expect of them might, but kids do not suck. Kids do not whine and throw tantrums, and act like little hooligans so long as you treat them with respect, keep your word, expect them to respect you, and expect much of them.

They are total assholes if you subscribe to the idea that they can't do anything without direction and can't be expected to act like human beings. 99% are decent, hardworking, and perfectly capable of being such.

People who are intolerant -- now THEY suck.

-snip-
Exactly! See thourgh your misconceptions and except kids for what they are...PEOPLE!

Kids do not suck. What some of their parents accept from and expect of them might, but kids do not suck. Kids do not whine and throw tantrums, and act like little hooligans so long as you treat them with respect, keep your word, expect them to respect you, and expect much of them.

They are total assholes if you subscribe to the idea that they can't do anything without direction and can't be expected to act like human beings. 99% are decent, hardworking, and perfectly capable of being such.

Good point. Actually, I am exceptionally good at dealing with kids. Basically, I just expect them to behave like adults, and let them know that. And if they don't, then they get the consequences of their actions. In some contexts, I just tell them if they're going to be stupid, at least they can be strong, and make them do pushups. In others, one has to use other punishments, because they're not your kids, and there's only so much you can do. Either way, usually I gain their respect and cooperation very quickly, and they try very hard to please me. If they succeed, or even just make a really good effort, I also try to be particularly nice to them. It works. I'm very good at it, and usually get stuck with the "trouble kids" group, because I'm the only one who can handle them.

I just don't LIKE it. I wish their parents could just do their own parenting, and not try to get me to do it for them. Their kids would be great, if only they had someone to help them get there.

As for smaller children - the kind you can't treat like adults - I don't do them at all unless they're mine.

To the o.p. Although it isn't always the case, most people reflect similar morals, beliefs, and convictions that thier parents did. So, I'm guessing that, deep down, you feel your parents hated/resented you. i.e. They hated you and other kids so you now have no tolerance for children and thier typical behavior. Besides, hating someone for the reasons you've listed is ridiculous.
Listen to what your saying because this is it plain as day - I hate kids because I'm to cheap or to broke to spring for pay porn channels so that I can play with myself in the middle of the day instead of working to earn the money I could spend on pay porn channels.
:rolleyes:

Children are inherently evil because Man is inherently base and selfish.

But they also represent the purest form of hope that there is for the world.

Which is why child molesters and those who commit crimes and destroy the innocence of children are the most heinous.

Of course I'm mutually contradictory in my beliefs, I'm only human.

I'm supremely disappointed that people have continued having children. I was looking forward to an actual declining population. Thirty years ago, you could still go to public places without always having to wade through hordes of people. Get a seat on the bus during 'off-peak' hours. Walk right up to a fast-food counter and place an order without having to stand in line.

You need a licence to drive but any moron can have kids, then these kids grow up to be......well morons......and the disease spreads
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This whole idea about having to molly-coddle children and wrap them up in cotton wool from the evils of the outside and inside is a relatively new thing. Nowadays people are buying SUVs so if they crash the other driver is fucked, but at least their kids are safe. People are demanding that nothing 'damaging' to children be showed on TV period, never mind before the watershed. Then there's the internet controls. Another big one here in the UK is padeophiles. Nowadays people don't let their kids outside to play just because they are scared that this 'new wave' of paedophiles will kidnap them. Newsflash: Paedophiles have always existed, and always will exist. In fact your kids are probably far less at risk from them nowadays than 50 years ago, and no one kept a 24 watch on their children then.

Childhood has being getting longer and more protected over the years, and people are discouraging their kids from growing up by protecting them so much. Ultimately it will do the kid harm. I was always given a lot of freedom by my parents - allowed to drink at a young age, watch anything I wanted on TV etc. I was even allowed to smoke weed at home. Now at university, i'm pretty settled - but the ones who were kept under lock and key by their parents are going to the excess far more.

It's actually a middle class thing really - both upper class and working class families have no problem with their kids being exposed to a bit of hardship. It is, after all, the most natural thing - in the middle ages children would be working the fields before they were 10, the excessive period of 'childhood' we have nowadays is a human construct.

I'm personnaly very fond of kids :) They are so full of life, so easily happy, so full of wonder :)

Just 5 minutes I was playing with the lovely kid of a good friend of mine, it was sooo wonderful to hear him laugh, so refreshing to my heart :)

But well, that's the way I am...

Kids do not whine and throw tantrums, and act like little hooligans so long as you treat them with respect, keep your word, expect them to respect you, and expect much of them.

They are total assholes if you subscribe to the idea that they can't do anything without direction and can't be expected to act like human beings. 99% are decent, hardworking, and perfectly capable of being such.

I totally secund that.

I don't like kids. Some of them I really hate, some of them I just don't like. I'm not rude or anything, I'll just do my best to avoid them at all costs. Thank god none of my friends have decided to reproduce yet, and most likely, none of them ever will. Well, one of my friends from school did... but she was a wacko anyway. And no, I don't have contact with her any more.
Oh, to make things clear, I'm talking about little kids here. Anything up to the age of nine or ten, that's when they are most annoying. After that, I don't have much of a problem with them any more.

But I don't really care about the influence they have on TV... I think in this country, even if all the kids miraculously disappeared, you still couldn't see porn on TV. At all. But hey, that's what the internet is for.

Who hates kids? I sure do, and I hate all these bastards always shouting, “think of the children!”
Children are the future. Live with it.

I don't hate kinds, I hate lazy parents and rude kids. I know I bang on about this the whole time but they should bring back corporal punishment. Kids knew there place a lot more when they were getting belted and having their heads flushed down the toilet by the older kids lol. I think porn should be on whenever ppl want to watch it, same with violent or profane movies. Of course to make it faesible there'd need to be some bigass warnings about contenet before it came on.

Who hates kids? I sure do, and I hate all these bastards always shouting, “think of the children!”

So, kids suck, parents who won’t STFU suck and I want porn on basic cable.
Get a girlfriend.

Annoying as children definitely are in supermarkets, we need them to continue the species. They don't "fucking suck".

I don't like kids. Some of them I really hate, some of them I just don't like. I'm not rude or anything, I'll just do my best to avoid them at all costs. Thank god none of my friends have decided to reproduce yet, and most likely, none of them ever will. Well, one of my friends from school did... but she was a wacko anyway. And no, I don't have contact with her any more.
How is reproducing "wacko"? Someone must do it in order to continue the species.

How is reproducing "wacko"? Someone must do it in order to continue the species.

Honestly, I don't see the point in that.

I sincerely dislike children myself. Like Cabra, there are a few I just don't like, and others I really despise. I don't understand why people thing they're so cute and sweet; honestly, they disgust me.

This is a really modulated response from me in relation to children.

As you may have gathered, I fully intend to never, ever have any of my own. Luckily my partner is in full agreement with my feelings and plans on the subject.

I don't hate kinds, I hate lazy parents and rude kids. I know I bang on about this the whole time but they should bring back corporal punishment. Kids knew there place a lot more when they were getting belted and having their heads flushed down the toilet by the older kids lol. I think porn should be on whenever ppl want to watch it, same with violent or profane movies. Of course to make it faesible there'd need to be some bigass warnings about contenet before it came on.
Corporal punishment only leads to psychological effects when the kids grow up. My mother was severely beaten by her parents when she was five years old until she could fight back in her teen years, and the beatings never once helped her in life. Rather, it made her resent her parents. It isn't something to laugh about. I think porno on TV is the dumbest thing that I have ever heard. It's called the internet, Digital Cable/Satellite, and Playboy. Television is a public service, and thus, should be regulated. You can't have XXX Porno on a television at 3 PM.

Corporal punishment only leads to psychological effects when the kids grow up.

I totally agree with that. It only hurts the kids, and teach them that violence is the way to be right. It builds a relationship of fear, instead of one of trust. It's the worst thing to do.

My parents never beated me at all, and I'm very glad of it. They managed to get my trust, and to have my (more or less) obey them because of that trust. It may be more difficult to get, but it's much, much better. Violence leads to violence. Trust and respect to trust and respect.

Ok i hated little kids uptill last week, when i had to watch one that was like just under 2 years old they rocked, they jumped in puddles and wrecked havoc!! KIDS ROCK!! (btw i had never had to look after kids before last week!! :))

I agree with the original poster. And it seems that each new generation of kids is just getting ruder and ruder. At my high school, all the little kids are bastards. I remember when I was their age, and I lived in constant fear of the big kids. Whatever happened to that?
It's sadly not much better over here, I often get that impression as well. Parents are often too annoyed by their own kids and thus want the TV to do all the parenting :mad:
Hey folks - if you don't want to spend the time neccessary, why did you get those little buggers in the first place!? :rolleyes:
It's certainly not the state's duty to take care that the children can't watch anything which is *deemed* unsuitable for them, it's the duty of the parent!
Besides, watching pr0n certainly won't harm them! So what if they would watch it? They would go and ask their parents certain "uncomfortable" questions about what the people do there! Oh noes! The embarrassment! :eek: (Especially in the prude US)
There should be *no* restricts on when to send pr0n, and there should also be extensive school programs that teach children everything they need to know at a young age already (since the parents are obviously too incompetent and too embarrassed to do it obviously).

Now violence is quite another matter, as it could harm children, and imitation there would be a seriously bad thing, so the limitations there aren't that far out there.

Get a girlfriend.

Annoying as children definitely are in supermarkets, we need them to continue the species. They don't "fucking suck".

But we don't need half as many of them as there are now, especially if a lot of them are growing up to be self-absorbed, whiny assholes that expect the world to be served to them on a silver platter.

Honestly, I don't see the point in that.
You don't see the point in continuing the species?

But we don't need half as many of them as there are now, especially if a lot of them are growing up to be self-absorbed, whiny assholes that expect the world to be served to them on a silver platter.
We don't have too many children. Most of Western Europe's population is declining.

You don't see the point in continuing the species?
Certainly not for its own sake. The biggest threat to a human being on this planet is another human being. I'd have thought the best method of self preservation would be to limit the competition.

Certainly not for its own sake. The biggest threat to a human being on this planet is another human being. I'd have thought the best method of self preservation would be to limit the competition.

I agree. There are becoming too many people worldwide. Using renewable energy souces we cannot support this number of people, and renewable is the only long-term method of keeping the race global.

We don't have too many children. Most of Western Europe's population is declining.

You say that like it's a bad thing. It already has around 180 000 000 people, does it really need more? Besides, if you're really worried about population decline, adding more people to the much-too-high world population isn't the way to go.

You don't see the point in continuing the species?

No.

I totally agree with that. It only hurts the kids, and teach them that violence is the way to be right. It builds a relationship of fear, instead of one of trust. It's the worst thing to do.Funny; my mother smacked me on the rare occasion (rare because I was one those unusual children that respected adults, behaved maturely and almost always did what the fuck I was told), and I do not think violence is right, I am not scared of my mother and I trust her implicitly. She is one of my best friends.

I can't be arsed looking for empirical evidence, but if you want anecdotal references, just about all my friends were smacked as children (growing up as we did in the '80s, when you were actually allowed to make your own decisions about this kind of thing without the government telling you what you should andf shouldn't do) and feel neither that violence is socially acceptable nor fear and distrust of their parents.

Good point. Actually, I am exceptionally good at dealing with kids. Basically, I just expect them to behave like adults, and let them know that.
Kids are not mini-adults though you can't expect them to be. I expect certain things from my kids that I don't expect from adults though, like self respect, self disicpline, ect. Adults annoy me far more than kids do (at least more than my kids annoy me)

Kids are new to the world, they are learning. You can't expect them to know everything all at once. It's kinda like they are in a different country and they don't know the culture. So many things adults do are counterintuitive to children, and it helps to realize that. For an adult a mud puddle is something to be avoided at all costs, to a kid it's something that's there for thier enjoyment. ;)

Kids are new to the world, they are learning. You can't expect them to know everything all at once. It's kinda like they are in a different country and they don't know the culture. So many things adults do are counterintuitive to children, and it helps to realize that. For an adult a mud puddle is something to be avoided at all costs, to a kid it's something that's there for thier enjoyment. ;)

Lies! If I'm wearing appropriate foot gear, the puddle is MINE.

Lies! If I'm wearing appropriate foot gear, the puddle is MINE.
ah, but children don't worry about appropriate foot gear, nor do they care that they are on thier way to church in a dry clean only dress, mary janes, and carrying thier brand new leather Bible, all they see is "MUD!!!!!! Let's jump and play!!!"


see I am not frustrated at all (3 hours later)

Children are the future. Live with it.
Maybe they're your future. My future is obviously not like yours.

Yours is about endless hordes of mommies armed with buggies as big as SUVs, unremitting wailing, and having to grit your teeth while toddlers are being indulged on staircases.

Mine is about being able to lose myself in my thoughts as I walk unhindered through the downtown core, or taking a ride on the subway with an entire car to myself.

I know which future is the more attractive of the two. That's why I'm not reproducing. I'm content to be an uncle at arm's-length, and even then I wish my siblings had chosen to keep it in their pants.

ah, but children don't worry about appropriate foot gear, nor do they care that they are on thier way to church in a dry clean only dress, mary janes, and carrying thier brand new leather Bible, all they see is "MUD!!!!!! Let's jump and play!!!"


see I am not frustrated at all (3 hours later)

That's because I've learned that being cold and wet doesn't feel good.

That's because I've learned that being cold and wet doesn't feel good.
sure, because you have the benifit of experience, see if it would have been a Saturday I would have left them cold and wet, so they could learn too, but I had to clean them up, so now all they know is "mud is fun" and that is why children are different than adults. They may be smart, but they aren't wise. I am wiser than them, and my friend who is 96 is far wiser than me, but he puts up with me anyway, he is patient, like I am patient with children, we are all in the same boat, just some of us know how to sail and some don't.

I've never read so much truth before!

sure, because you have the benifit of experience, see if it would have been a Saturday I would have left them cold and wet, so they could learn too, but I had to clean them up, so now all they know is "mud is fun" and that is why children are different than adults. They may be smart, but they aren't wise. I am wiser than them, and my friend who is 96 is far wiser than me, but he puts up with me anyway, he is patient, like I am patient with children, we are all in the same boat, just some of us know how to sail and some don't.

I, on the other hand, am not terribly patient and am twitchy around loud noises. Therein we have two main reasons for why I can't most children.

Kids are not mini-adults though you can't expect them to be. I expect certain things from my kids that I don't expect from adults though, like self respect, self disicpline, ect. Adults annoy me far more than kids do (at least more than my kids annoy me)

Kids are new to the world, they are learning. You can't expect them to know everything all at once. It's kinda like they are in a different country and they don't know the culture. So many things adults do are counterintuitive to children, and it helps to realize that. For an adult a mud puddle is something to be avoided at all costs, to a kid it's something that's there for thier enjoyment. ;)

1) We're talking about different age kids - I figure by the time they're 13 or so (some kids older, some kids younger), they need to start learning to be adults, and the only way to do that is to try it. Younger than that, and if they're not mine, I don't like them, generally.

2) I don't avoid mud puddles. I splash in puddles with my 2 year old frequently. Granted, I try to keep semi-dry, unless I can go home and get dried off. And I try to keep things sufficiently clean that I'll be able to clean them up again, but I don't wear things that are dry-clean only unless I'm REALLY dressed up, and I don't put my daughter in things that can't be cleaned either. What kind of idiot cares more about clothes and how you look than practicality and fun? In MY world, parenting includes playing in the snow with your kids, playing in mud puddles with your kids, playing other games with your kids, reading to your kids, and basically just being parents.

3) I expect self-respct and self-discipline from other adults as well as respect for others - which is probably why they irritate me so much.

4) Part of parenting is teaching your kids to grow up to become good adults. It's not extending their childhood as long as possible. Or coddling them. Or beating them. Or anything else.

Besides, watching pr0n certainly won't harm them! So what if they would watch it?...
Now violence is quite another matter, as it could harm children, and imitation there would be a seriously bad thing, so the limitations there aren't that far out there.
Oh the hypocrisy…

Your problem is that you can't access 'violence and porn' on basic cable? Assuming you're an adult (although you aren't acting like one), you should have easy access to this stuff anyway. Do you think parents have the time to huddle around their kids 24 hours a day to make sure they aren't watching 'All Anal Action' or 'Black Cheerleader Gangbang 14' on FOX? Have some social responsibility. One day, you might have kids, scary as that thought might be. In the meantime, STFU.

One day, you might have kids, scary as that thought might be. In the meantime, STFU.
Or he'll never have them. I'll never have them, and I'm on a collision-course with being forty. I've heard the "some day, you might" refrain for twenty-five years. So what then?

I can't bear the pervasive onslaught of entitlement that comes at the expense of the diminishment of my reasonable enjoyment as an adult member of my society.

1) We're talking about different age kids - I figure by the time they're 13 or so (some kids older, some kids younger), they need to start learning to be adults, and the only way to do that is to try it. Younger than that, and if they're not mine, I don't like them, generally.
okay. thanks for clarifying.

What kind of idiot cares more about clothes and how you look than practicality and fun?
apparently my kid, she dresses up for church, she says it's out of respect for God, my 2 year old prefers to wear jeans and a blouse and hair barettes that match her socks, my 4 year old, she dresses like one of those old ladies at church with the big hats, she just forgets halfway to the car sometimes that mud puddles and pretty dresses don't mix. ;)
3) I expect self-respct and self-discipline from other adults as well as respect for others - which is probably why they irritate me so much.
oh, I would like to have it, but experience tells me that it's just not going to happen most of the time. my kids though? they need to be respectful and have self control as much as humanly possible, that way when they are adults they won't annoy thier peers.

4) Part of parenting is teaching your kids to grow up to become good adults. It's not extending their childhood as long as possible. Or coddling them. Or beating them. Or anything else.
I agree. I am not trying to "keep my kids young" but they need patience, they are just kids after all, I won't run a boot camp at my house so that my kids in the process of learning how the world works, doesn't annoy some idiot who "hates kids", they are respectful, they behave well, they are in the end just very young though, they need a little slack........don't you agree?

I agree with the original poster. And it seems that each new generation of kids is just getting ruder and ruder. At my high school, all the little kids are bastards. I remember when I was their age, and I lived in constant fear of the big kids. Whatever happened to that?

Your right! I don't feel afraid of upper classmen at all! Then again, the area I live in is full of complete rich white baptist ignorant bush-backing dipshits.

Ahhh, I pretty much agree with Undelia here. I don't find kids so bad (above the age 5 or 6 and they're okay), its the parents. The ones who expect school and society to raise their kids. The ones who believe when the kid fucks up it is not their bad parenting but the everybody else. Last time I checked the kid came out between your legs, therefore its your problem.

I tend to agree (as a Leftist) that we ought to be able to watch whatever we want, whenever we want, on TV. However, I don't agree that kids suck. Any responsible parent should know what their children are watching on television, and whether or not it's a good idea for them to watch it. Granted, there are some careless parents and some sicko parents out there, but the majority (I'd like to think) monitor such things to make sure their kids aren't watching porn. I have porn channels on my satellite dish, but I don't have to worry about my kid catching a glimpse of someone getting their asshole reamed out. Know why? My kid only watches TV when I'm watching it. That's right....he doesn't have a TV in his room! I've done a pretty good job of promoting other activities for him to do rather than vegetating in front of the TV. Even when it's cold or rainy outside, he has plenty of things he can do (by himself or together with me) that don't involve TV. When I want to watch something on TV that's not appropriate for him, he's either sleeping or away from home.
As for public behavior, children behave as they see others behave. If my kid ever saw me have a meltdown in a public place (swearing at the drive-thru clerk at McDonald's or something), he'd assume that he could have a tantrum in public, too. Kids learn by example...bratty kids obviously have bratty (or overly permissive) parents...it's as simple as that.

I tend to agree (as a Leftist) that we ought to be able to watch whatever we want, whenever we want, on TV. However, I don't agree that kids suck. Any responsible parent should know what their children are watching on television, and whether or not it's a good idea for them to watch it. Granted, there are some careless parents and some sicko parents out there, but the majority (I'd like to think) monitor such things to make sure their kids aren't watching porn. I have porn channels on my satellite dish, but I don't have to worry about my kid catching a glimpse of someone getting their asshole reamed out. Know why? My kid only watches TV when I'm watching it. That's right....he doesn't have a TV in his room! I've done a pretty good job of promoting other activities for him to do rather than vegetating in front of the TV. Even when it's cold or rainy outside, he has plenty of things he can do (by himself or together with me) that don't involve TV. When I want to watch something on TV that's not appropriate for him, he's either sleeping or away from home.
As for public behavior, children behave as they see others behave. If my kid ever saw me have a meltdown in a public place (swearing at the drive-thru clerk at McDonald's or something), he'd assume that he could have a tantrum in public, too. Kids learn by example...bratty kids obviously have bratty (or overly permissive) parents...it's as simple as that.

Do your kids spend every night at home? Do they ever spend the night at a friend's house? Do these homes have the same level of attention that yours does?

Don't get me wrong, I don't think kids are going to explode because they caught a glimpse of the Hustler channel, but there has to be some of level of responsibility by society to clean up what's seen on 'general access' television. Adults have access to whatever they want anyway. So, where's the problem?

Also, aren't lefties all about more government intervention in people's lives? Hillary Clinton is on the left side of the equation after all...

I think the only involvement the government should have is to make parents responsible for their kids. You see it all the time totally ineffectual parents saying they're allowing their kids freedom of expression as they're ripping into some supermarket shelves or screaming and throwing food in a restaurant. That's not freedom, that's inability to be a parent.
That old saying; spare the rod and spoil the child', more and more governments are bringing in legislation that makes punishing your child a criminal offence. What the heck is that about!!! I'm not supporting battering your child before anyone starts, but I do think parents should have the choice. My mum smacked me twice in my whole childhood and both times it was when I had really overstepped the mark, if she hadn't reacted like that I would have carried on misbehaving in a big way.

I think porno on TV is the dumbest thing that I have ever heard. It's called the internet, Digital Cable/Satellite, and Playboy. Television is a public service, and thus, should be regulated. You can't have XXX Porno on a television at 3 PM.

Well you can if a lot of people wanted it and the FCC wasn't run by a bunch of morons. Its not like it would screw the kids up, unless maybe it was some crazy fetish type of porn.

Last time I checked the kid came out between your legs, therefore its your problem.What about fathers? I don't believe that the kid came out from between their legs, but last time I checked, they were still considered a parent of the kid.

What about fathers? I don't believe that the kid came out from between their legs, but last time I checked, they were still considered a parent of the kid.
Technically the kid is made by the substance of cum from the male penis which is located smach bang inbetween his legs... so yeah the kid does come from between a guys legs..

Technically the kid is made by the substance of cum from the male penis which is located smach bang inbetween his legs... so yeah the kid does come from between a guys legs..Indirectly, yes, but his/her semantics do suggest a reference to a fully-formed child coming directly out of someone's body.

However, most of his/her point I agree with. I simply think that, if people must procreate, fathers should have equal rights and responsibilities when it comes to rearing offspring.

Indirectly, yes, but his/her semantics do suggest a reference to a fully-formed child coming directly out of someone's body.

However, most of his/her point I agree with. I simply think that, if people must procreate, fathers should have equal rights and responsibilities when it comes to rearing offspring.
That is all true, i agree wholehearedly with that, i am a guy and i love kids, i don't want to have them yet anyways (im a bit young) but yeah if i was going to have kids i say i would have to have equal rights about them it is just not fair otherwise.

So..as a parent I read this thread, and I think that the point of it is that you dont like kids because they annoy you and you feel that kids are the reason that you cant look at strangers simulating enjoying sex on tv in the mniddle of the day? OK

I am a parent of teenagers...teenagers SUCK especially teenage boys....all they want to do is watch porn and violence...they sit and bitch about EVERYTHING..they think that EVERYTHING is someone elses fault and that life is a huge conspiracy to make things shit for them...they have no idea how to behave in social situations, they sit in front of the computer most of the time pretending its a real life and the rest of the time they play with themselves...or often both...Teenagers are crap company, they think the world owes them a living...they often smell...they have no sense of humour and are so full of angst it is funny...

My Kids were wonderful babies, they slept and were goodlooking. They were great toddlers, they behaved well in public, did not have tantrums and act like brats, they were brilliant kids, and I did not use the TV to babysit, they are not fat and they are nice people to be with...then they became teenagers and thats where the problem starts..my girls are 17 and 15 and look like supermodels, they are drop dead fantastic hot looking and the grief that causes has to be lived through to understand, and my son is 13...13! shit its just the begining of the crap. The worst thing on this planet is young men, young men from the age of 15 to 25 are often assholes....and you need to be a parent of teenage girls to understand that.

If you want to watch porn and violence on TV in the day, go get a nightjob and pay for it....I have this real great sex life and dont want to waste time I could be getting things done, so that then I can have tons of fantastic sex.
BTW it is true what they say about sexual peaks.

There is nothing wrong with kids, its the parents and how society behaves thats wrong. imho

So..as a parent I read this thread, and I think that the point of it is that you dont like kids because they annoy you and you feel that kids are the reason that you cant look at strangers simulating enjoying sex on tv in the mniddle of the day?That seems to be the OP's point. There are others among us that don't like children for entirely different reasons, however.

What reasons? because they are small? smell bad? move quickly? remind you that you are getting old? behave like crap in public if they are badly brought up? I am interested to know how you can dislike a whole part of the human race...and one that you belonged to...its like saying I hate people with heads......I really have a problem with my ex husband, he is a very silly man, but I dont hate all men....or all husbands...or all ex husbands...or silly people...

I agree with the original poster. And it seems that each new generation of kids is just getting ruder and ruder. At my high school, all the little kids are bastards. I remember when I was their age, and I lived in constant fear of the big kids. Whatever happened to that?

You know, they used to say the same things in ancient Egypt, some 4000 years ago. Live with it.

What reasons? because they are small? smell bad? move quickly? remind you that you are getting old? behave like crap in public if they are badly brought up? I am interested to know how you can dislike a whole part of the human race...and one that you belonged to...its like saying I hate people with heads......I really have a problem with my ex husband, he is a very silly man, but I dont hate all men....or all husbands...or all ex husbands...or silly people...

For myself, dunno. I never ever met a small child I liked. Even when I was a small child, I'd stay away from them...

For myself, dunno. I never ever met a small child I liked. Even when I was a small child, I'd stay away from them...Ditto. In many ways, I considered myself an adult even as a child; I grew up around, and associated with, adults, watched adult TV (not porn, but the news, political dramas etc) rather than children's TV, read adult books etc. I associated only with my peers at school, and even then only the most articulate and mature.

Why do I dislike them? I'm not sure I can entirely put my finger on the reasons; I just never had. A few annoying traits (and the list is far from exhaustive):


I can't bear their voices, especially when raised (and they never seem to be anything other than raised. I appreciate that's a generalisation, but almost without fail, it's been my experience of them).
They need frequent, if not constant, attention.
Instead of asking for assistance, they seem to scream.
They seemingly run everywhere.
I cannot fathom how their behaviour that is regarded as "sweet and cute" is actually anything like 'sweet' or 'cute'.
They cost a fortune to raise (both to the parents and the taxpayer).
The prams you see around city centres take up the whole footpath, and people seem reluctant to manoeuvre in case they and their little darlings are mildly inconvenienced (despite the fact other people are inconvenienced - they don't have a child, they must be sub-human. Again, a probable generalisation, but my experience).
They seem to be considered as something special in Western society, and apart from 'continuing the species' (which I don't even see the big deal in doing), I fail to see why. Those of us that don't have them through choice are considered odd by society at large. Even if I did like children, I am pretty certain I would still choose not to have them for a number of reasons, but even then I'd still be considered a heartless, selfish bitch by many people.

[quote]I can't bear their voices, especially when raised (and they never seem to be anything other than raised. I appreciate that's a generalisation, but almost without fail, it's been my experience of them).

I notice that about other people's kids, they are rather loud all the time, I think it's because most people treat them like they don't exist, so they have to be loud to get noticed.
They need frequent, if not constant, attention.
so do many other segments of the society, like elderly people, and handicapped people
Instead of asking for assistance, they seem to scream.
probably because people were ignoring them the first 30 times they asked.
They seemingly run everywhere.
yep, that annoys me too, my kids don't do it, but thier friends do.
I cannot fathom how their behaviour that is regarded as "sweet and cute" is actually anything like 'sweet' or 'cute'.
I have a friend who's son tells her to "bite me", she think's it's cute, I think it's terrible and my kid would never be so rude to me (at least my kid wouldn't get away with it, and never be praised for it)

My kids do stuff that I find cute, but I try to keep in mind that I am biased.
They cost a fortune to raise (both to the parents and the taxpayer).
existing tax system aside, why do you care if it costs me a fortune to raise my kids?


The prams you see around city centres take up the whole footpath, and people seem reluctant to manoeuvre in case they and their little darlings are mildly inconvenienced (despite the fact other people are inconvenienced - they don't have a child, they must be sub-human. Again, a probable generalisation, but my experience).
makes you just want to push them out of your way right ;)

They seem to be considered as something special in Western society, and apart from 'continuing the species' (which I don't even see the big deal in doing), I fail to see why. Those of us that don't have them through choice are considered odd by society at large. Even if I did like children, I am pretty certain I would still choose not to have them for a number of reasons, but even then I'd still be considered a heartless, selfish bitch by many people.

I have no problem with you not wanting to have children, if you dislike the idea that much then I think you made a wonderful choice not to, I respect your decision.

My problem comes in when people tell my children "I hate kids" or even worse treat them as sub-human. If my child is at the counter at the Mc Donald's I want them to treat her like a customer, she has money, she knows what she wants, why ignore her?
I want her doctor to treat her like a patient, and also like a person, if she asks a question about her procedure, then answer it, if she wants to know about her bloodwork then tell her, if you start an IV and collapse her vein and she cries appologize, don't just tell her "quit being a crybaby". (yeah, I got a new doctor)

probably because people were ignoring them the first 30 times they asked.In some cases, true. However, I would contend that it also depends what they have asked. If they've said "here, I need to go to the toilet" and they cannot access a toilet themselves, I can understand them getting annoyed and pressing the issue. On the other hand, if they say, "I want that bar of chocolate", their mother/father/carer says no and they start insisting that they want it in a loud manner, then there is good reason for people to be annoyed.

I could argue that this is down to parenting, and perhaps in some cases it is to some extent. However, I know people that are generally very good parents that can't stop their children screaming and throwing fits. On the flip side, I've met children (myself included) that never did/do such things, even though their parents may have had similar styles.

existing tax system aside, why do you care if it costs me a fortune to raise my kids?None. It's just one of many reason why I would choose not to have them.

My problem comes in when people tell my children "I hate kids" or even worse treat them as sub-human. If my child is at the counter at the Mc Donald's I want them to treat her like a customer, she has money, she knows what she wants, why ignore her?
I want her doctor to treat her like a patient, and also like a person, if she asks a question about her procedure, then answer it, if she wants to know about her bloodwork then tell her, if you start an IV and collapse her vein and she cries appologize, don't just tell her "quit being a crybaby". (yeah, I got a new doctor)I quite agree, actually. My problem arises not from children being treated as people, but when they actually get special treatment because of their status as a child. I've seen them being served before others who were waiting before them in places like McDonald's (well, not there specifically since I never frequent said establishment, but you know what I mean). I mean, I'd be annoyed if anybody got special treatment like that, but in these cases it appears to be specifically because they're children. I wouldn't say I see this a lot, but it happens on occasion.

In some cases, true. However, I would contend that it also depends what they have asked. If they've said "here, I need to go to the toilet" and they cannot access a toilet themselves, I can understand them getting annoyed and pressing the issue. On the other hand, if they say, "I want that bar of chocolate", their mother/father/carer says no and they start insisting that they want it in a loud manner, then there is good reason for people to be annoyed.
yep. I can agree with that. My kid tried to throw a fit in the Walmart before, I just picked her up kicking and screaming left my basket and took her to the bathroom in the back of the store

"are you done screaming?"
"no"
"okay, finish before anyone comes in I don't want you to give anyone a headache"
"can I have the cookies?"
"nope"
"I am going to hold my breath"
"okay, if you pass out I will call the doctor"
"then can I have cookies?'
"nope"
"I can go shop now"
"okay"
she never threw a fit in public again.




None. It's just one of many reason why I would choose not to have them.
fair enough.

I quite agree, actually. My problem arises not from children being treated as people, but when they actually get special treatment because of their status as a child. I've seen them being served before others who were waiting before them in places like McDonald's (well, not there specifically since I never frequent said establishment, but you know what I mean). I mean, I'd be annoyed if anybody got special treatment like that, but in these cases it appears to be specifically because they're children. I wouldn't say I see this a lot, but it happens on occasion.
I can agree with that. I let people with baby carriers go before me (because those things are heavy) I let children and pregnant ladies go to the bathroom before me if there is a line. I will always give a pregnant lady, or an elderly person have my seat if they are standing, but all of those things are my choices, I hate it when I am somewhere and a couple with a baby gets seated before me when I have been waiting for 25 minutes, it's not fair, the baby can eat in the lobby, my kids can't. First come first serve.

While I'm not a huge fan of kids and I avoid them wherever possible and stay in their presence only as long as is strictly necessary when I'm complled to be around them, I reserve my true contempt for incompetent, arseclown parents. It's not kids that are campaigning to have violence and sex banned from the public eye, it's not kids that are lobbying to have their own moralistic agenda made law for the sake of "the family" and it's not kids that are insisting that the wider community suffer for their bad decisions and dubious breeding habits.

No, it's lazy parents doing this under the guise of "family values". So while I don't particularly enjoy children, they're just children. I honestly can say that I dislike a lot of parents. It is not the community's responsibility to raise your children, it is your responsibility. It is not "the village's child", it is your child. If people are incapable of assuming responsibility for their offspring, they should not be popping them out. Simple as that.

In all honesty, I can sympathise to an extent. The anathema of my existence is the morally conscience, mediocre, child obsessed housewife who deplores you in public for corrupting their child, whilst roundly disregarding the fact that the brat spilled his drink down your clothes.

Moreover, unruly children screaimg, spilling Ice creams, or running into you and crying, should be taken to a form of rehab. Why do we wonder about juvenile delinquincy when such little bastards are legitimised as beng "children"?

To those who hate kids: You were one once.

To those who hate kids: You were one once.

I was well behaved and quiet.:)

To those who hate kids: You were one once.

Yep. And I hated myself. Your point?