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How atheist's can never accept and respect religious folks and vice-versa. Jesus tity-fucking christ, shut up already and get on with our lives!

Nobody fuckin' cares whether God or the Big Bang or whatever the fuck happened, we'll get to that when we die! I for one don't give a damn whether I go to Heaven or Purgatory or just plain stop existing when I die, but I know for sure that I'm not gonna spend half my life agruing over who's right and who's wrong about such & such belief or system of beliefs!

Religious people. Are wrong!
Athiests. Are wrong!

The only right people are people who have the decency to realize that none of this crap matters!

But until we can get to the day where nobody thinks about stuff like that and instead concentrates on more important topics, religious folks should respect athiests' right to not believe in a diety, and athiests should respect religious folks' right to be religious, wether mono- or poly- or whatever -theist.

Sorry. Had to get that out of my system. The moral is, though, that there will ALWAYS be more important things to debate about.

How atheist's can never accept and respect religious folks and vice-versa. Jesus tity-fucking christ, shut up already and get on with our lives!

Nobody fuckin' cares whether God or the Big Bang or whatever the fuck happened, we'll get to that when we die! I for one don't give a damn whether I go to Heaven or Purgatory or just plain stop existing when I die, but I know for sure that I'm not gonna spend half my life agruing over who's right and who's wrong about such & such belief or system of beliefs!

Religious people. Are wrong!
Athiests. Are wrong!

The only right people are people who have the decency to realize that none of this crap matters!

But until we can get to the day where nobody thinks about stuff like that and instead concentrates on more important topics, religious folks should respect athiests' right to not believe in a diety, and athiests should respect religious folks' right to be religious, wether mono- or poly- or whatever -theist.

Sorry. Had to get that out of my system. The moral is, though, that there will ALWAYS be more important things to debate about.

I don't believe "people who have the decency to realize none of this crap matters" exist...no evidence for them y'see. Are you asking me to take it on faith?

:p

you need to

1) grow a thicker skin

2) stop reading religious threads

3) tell people in real life that you never discuss religion

I don't believe "people who have the decency to realize none of this crap matters" exist...no evidence for them y'see. Are you asking me to take it on faith?

:p

I think anyone who refuses to listen to other points of views are just making big fools of themselves. I have my own ideas, thank you, but I try not to go around pushing them on others (like the whole vegan-meat eater thing).

Why debate the world? It's here, that's all that matters. We'll be the ones destroying it too.

I know, I know, yeah, whatever... I just wanted to remind people that there are other things to argue about, better things, IMHO. Like sports and politics.

you need to

1) grow a thicker skin

2) stop reading religious threads

3) tell people in real life that you never discuss religion

Anything with religion as a topic will always be controversial, don't you think?

I think anyone who refuses to listen to other points of views are just making big fools of themselves. I have my own ideas, thank you, but I try not to go around pushing them on others (like the whole vegan-meat eater thing).

Why debate the world? It's here, that's all that matters. We'll be the ones destroying it too.

Why the po-faced response to my obvious joke?

And "why debate the world"? Because as Stephen Patrick Morrissey once sung, the unexamined life is not worth living, thats why.

Why the po-faced response to my obvious joke?

And "why debate the world"? Because as Stephen Patrick Morrissey once sung, the unexamined life is not worth living, thats why.

And what would "examining one's life" consist of? I didn't mean to quote you in my first post, sorry :P

How atheist's can never accept and respect religious folks and vice-versa. Jesus tity-fucking christ, shut up already and get on with our lives!

Nobody fuckin' cares whether God or the Big Bang or whatever the fuck happened, we'll get to that when we die! I for one don't give a damn whether I go to Heaven or Purgatory or just plain stop existing when I die, but I know for sure that I'm not gonna spend half my life agruing over who's right and who's wrong about such & such belief or system of beliefs!

Religious people. Are wrong!
Athiests. Are wrong!

The only right people are people who have the decency to realize that none of this crap matters!

But until we can get to the day where nobody thinks about stuff like that and instead concentrates on more important topics, religious folks should respect athiests' right to not believe in a diety, and athiests should respect religious folks' right to be religious, wether mono- or poly- or whatever -theist.

Sorry. Had to get that out of my system. The moral is, though, that there will ALWAYS be more important things to debate about.

You state it as a fact: "The only right people are people who have the decency to realize that none of this crap matters"... and yet, I'd be willing to bet you have no way to KNOW that it is true.

The Christian who spreads the Word, in good grace, is doing the godless heathens a favour... IF HE IS CORRECT.

The Atheist who rebuffs the onslaught of Christian 'policy' in government or who questions the inconsistency of scripture, is doing the Christians a favour... IF HE IS CORRECT.

We have no way, if we are HONEST, to be absolutely certain, either way.

But, I agree on one part... there needs to be tolerance. And, so long as the 'believer' is not screwing with my life, this Atheist is totally willing to let them be.

Sorry. Had to get that out of my system. The moral is, though, that there will ALWAYS be more important things to debate about.
I think the point is though that for a truly religious person there aren't any things more important to talk about. After all what does your position on politics/etc. matter if you're going to spend the whole of eternity in the hellfire.

I think anyone who refuses to listen to other points of views are just making big fools of themselves. I have my own ideas, thank you, but I try not to go around pushing them on others (like the whole vegan-meat eater thing).

Why debate the world? It's here, that's all that matters. We'll be the ones destroying it too.
People whould listen to other points of view...

I don't go around pushing my points of view...


So you mean people should listen to points of view other than yours because you don't push yours...


If you listen to another's point of view are you allowed to disagree? If you disagree after listening are you allowed to state why?

If you state why are they allowed a rebutal?

Are you then allowed yoru counter rebutal?

Lastly, if a group of people decide that they want to debate religion, are they allowed to? What if they in no way force anyone to participate in that debate?

I'm so confused. :(

Please tell me what I'm allowed to discuss and what I'm not allowed to. :(

Anything with religion as a topic will always be controversial, don't you think?
i think youre right. even the most religiously oriented people can come to blows over things like infant baptism and transubstantiation. even the most atheistic can violently disagree about ghosts or reincarnation. controversy is part of the territory.

People whould listen to other points of view...

I don't go around pushing my points of view...


So you mean people should listen to points of view other than yours because you don't push yours...


If you listen to another's point of view are you allowed to disagree? If you disagree after listening are you allowed to state why?

If you state why are they allowed a rebutal?

Are you then allowed yoru counter rebutal?

Lastly, if a group of people decide that they want to debate religion, are they allowed to? What if they in no way force anyone to participate in that debate?

I'm so confused. :(

Please tell me what I'm allowed to discuss and what I'm not allowed to. :(

Discuss anything you want. Say anything you want. You can give a counterstatement. But don't go starting fights or religious wars, when you believe you're the only one who's right.

I can elaborate more. Not sure what you're so confused about. I'm just not good at explaining things. Let's leave it at that.

Discuss anything you want. Say anything you want. You can give a counterstatement. But don't go starting fights or religious wars, when you believe you're the only one who's right.

I can elaborate more. Not sure what you're so confused about. I'm just not good at explaining things. Let's leave it at that.
But everyone believes they're right. Anyways, I'll try hard not to start any wars, but I can't promise.

The only right people are people who have the decency to realize that none of this crap matters!

You're a non-theist, huh? Join the club.

But everyone believes they're right. Anyways, I'll try hard not to start any wars, but I can't promise.

Thanks. Trying is a good start, I suppose. Posts about religion always reminds me of the game Rock Paper Scissors. I'm not sure why. They just do.

And what would "examining one's life" consist of? I didn't mean to quote you in my first post, sorry :P

Examining ones life would basically mean questioning and debating all of existence. I don't see why we should only talk about certain subjects, the side effects and benefits of questioning or trying to affirm the existence of a god are manifest all around us:- pour example, Newton's science was basically built around his wish to prove the hand of a Creator in all things, and as a side effect, we get the law of gravity.

Examining ones life would basically mean questioning and debating all of existence. I don't see why we should only talk about certain subjects, the side effects and benefits of questioning or trying to affirm the existence of a god are manifest all around us:- pour example, Newton's science was basically built around his wish to prove the hand of a Creator in all things, and as a side effect, we get the law of gravity.
:)

Examining ones life would basically mean questioning and debating all of existence. I don't see why we should only talk about certain subjects, the side effects and benefits of questioning or trying to affirm the existence of a god are manifest all around us:- pour example, Newton's science was basically built around his wish to prove the hand of a Creator in all things, and as a side effect, we get the law of gravity.

I recently somewhat "examined" my life in an assignment for school. I actually started a thread as well, about the HOWs and WHYs of our origin. But once you question yourself, does anything good come of it? Have you specifically changed anything about yourself after examining your life?

Sorry for all the questions that seem to be at the end of all my posts. I think they're rhetorical, but people can answer if they wish. I'm not exactly all here today. I bet a lot of other people aren't either.

I recently somewhat "examined" my life in an assignment for school. I actually started a thread as well, about the HOWs and WHYs of our origin. But once you question yourself, does anything good come of it? Have you specifically changed anything about yourself after examining your life?

Dunno, depends whether you think ignorance is bliss (or indeed, ignorance is "innocence") or you think knowledge is power.

I tend to go for the latter myself.

I recently somewhat "examined" my life in an assignment for school. I actually started a thread as well, about the HOWs and WHYs of our origin. But once you question yourself, does anything good come of it? Have you specifically changed anything about yourself after examining your life?
Many times. :)

I have believed in many religions and have finally decided that I don't believe in any. It is important to examine different beliefs and to debate those beliefs with people who feel differently.

I will tell you this, though. If you do not examine yourself you will never change. Also, you might not notice if you have skin cancer or a rash. :)

Many times. :)

I have believed in many religions and have finally decided that I don't believe in any. It is important to examine different beliefs and to debate those beliefs with people who feel differently.

I will tell you this, though. If you do not examine yourself you will never change. Also, you might not notice if you have skin cancer or a rash. :)

Speaking of rashes, I actually got shingles three weeks ago. That really sucked.

I don't consider myself religious, but I'm not exactly a 100% logical explanation person either. I think there are some things out there that truly can't be explained.

How atheist's can never accept and respect religious folks and vice-versa.
Easily pissed off, ain't ya! :D

I'm An Athiest. I Accept And Respect All Religions. It's Just The Other Religions Which Won't Accept And Respect Me.

Sorry. Had to get that out of my system. The moral is, though, that there will ALWAYS be more important things to debate about.
You're my kind of scum.:)

As an agnostic friend of mine says, "I have as much against atheists as I do against Christians."

The only right people are people who have the decency to realize that none of this crap matters!
They'd be right to think that it shouldn't matter, but when religious beliefs drive people to kill other people, as on 9/11 and many other occasions, and when religious groups try and impose their morality on others and pass their myths off as science in schools, it matters a whole lot. We can't sit back and say "we respect your beliefs, and their consequences".

It does matter when your under orders to bring the truth to all the nations....besides, since it's a forum, I kind of don't have much choice on whether people are allowed to assert their opinion in relation to the Bible's opinion, that's a good thing anyway, otherwise, how would I know if people even understand what im saying? I'd rather be told to my face that someone doesn't understand what im saying than go through life, asserting the Bible's truth's without allowing counter-argument, and end up having every single person I ever talked to not understand what I even meant. That would be horribly counter-productive.

It does matter when your under orders to bring the truth to all the nations....
Do shut the fuck up, mkay?

Do shut the fuck up, mkay?

You think Theorb is bad here?

Read what he says in the thread "Are atheists compensating for something?"...

He has the right to speak his mind, though, so to counter his kind of thinking, this last week I've started debating the "under orders to give the truth" kind of preachers that show up on campus with their "God will judge you" flags.

I'm having a pretty good time with it.

Do shut the fuck up, mkay?

That's not very polite :/.

Do shut the fuck up, mkay?

Because, obviously, your opinion is so much more valid?

SOrry, friend... but if you really don't want to hear what another poster has to say, a brief perusal of the FAQ should give instructions that aren't too tricky, as to how to use the 'ignore' feature...

The atheists see religious people trying to impose their views on other people, and using their beliefs as an excuse to hurt people, whether by blowing up buildings or refusing to fill out contraceptive prescriptions or whatever.

And the religious people see atheists and members of all the other religions acting in an immoral way that will condemn them to hell, and feel obliged to do something about it out of common decency.

And probably most importantly, both groups see the others believing something really stupid and get pissed off about it.