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Am I the only who realizes that if your country has 100% taxes then it is essentially communism? :headbang: I dont know, maybe there were just more of you pinko bastards then I realized... that or you to incompetant to keep your taxes down.
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I have a 2% income tax, I feel like such a sick communist scumbag...

*goes off to hang self*

Am I the only who realizes that if your country has 100% taxes then it is essentially communism? :headbang: I dont know, maybe there were just more of you pinko bastards then I realized... that or you to incompetant to keep your taxes down.
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Or perhaps that is just a nation that has no currency. O.o

Where do they have a 100% income tax, exactly?

To the point though, sure.. communists might like the idea.

Am I the only who realizes that if your country has 100% taxes then it is essentially communism? :headbang: I dont know, maybe there were just more of you pinko bastards then I realized... that or you to incompetant to keep your taxes down.
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What a horribly created stick figure.

Where do they have a 100% income tax, exactly?

To the point though, sure.. communists might like the idea.
Well true Marxists, not unlike myself, would not want any currency or money to begin with, that would be abolished immediately. So it is essentially a 100% income tax, in that there is no money because no one ever gets it. So it is a part of communism, but doesn't mean communism is actually there, it could just be a barter based economy with no currency.

Well true Marxists, not unlike myself, would not want any currency or money to begin with, that would be abolished immediately. So it is essentially a 100% income tax, in that there is no money because no one ever gets it. So it is a part of communism, but doesn't mean communism is actually there, it could just be a barter based economy with no currency.

I think my natural inclination in that situation, in that kind of society, would be to work as little as humanly possible.. :p

I think my natural inclination in that situation, in that kind of society, would be to work as little as humanly possible.. :p
Unless work was required and you got resources (like food for example) based on how much work you did. That might incline you to work a bit harder, eh?

Am I the only who realizes that if your country has 100% taxes then it is essentially communism? :headbang: I dont know, maybe there were just more of you pinko bastards then I realized... that or you to incompetant to keep your taxes down.
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100% taxation rates doesn't mean Communism. Communism is the taking of all items to the government, and evenly spreading the wealth out to the masses, providing equal opportunities for all.

And it's 'incompetent'. And it's also spelt 'realises'.

And it's also spelt 'realises'.
I think you mean 'realised' and I think the OP is American so in his case it is spelled 'realized'

100% taxation rates doesn't mean Communism. Communism is the taking of all items to the government, and evenly spreading the wealth out to the masses, providing equal opportunities for all.

And it's 'incompetent'. And it's also spelt 'realises'.
Yes, because Communism is perfect and its the way to go :)

Please...:rolleyes:

Unless work was required and you got resources (like food for example) based on how much work you did. That might incline you to work a bit harder, eh?

Sure, enough to eat. By 'as little as humanly possible' I did mean 'enough to exist as a human being (rather than a bloated corpse someplace)' :)

I think you mean 'realised' and I think the OP is American so in his case it is spelled 'realized'

American English is a mutilated version of Real English, which isn't much of a language at all. So if somebody's going to communicate in a certain language, have it a language they are the root of. Oh no, I ended my sentence in a proposition. Oh well.

100% taxation rates doesn't mean Communism. Communism is the taking of all items to the government, and evenly spreading the wealth out to the masses, providing equal opportunities for all.

And it's 'incompetent'. And it's also spelt 'realises'.

It had better be communism though, if they're taking 100%... I mean, I'm no communist, but if they're taking it, I'd better get something back.. :p Food stamps, at least..

American English is a mutilated version of Real English, which isn't much of a language at all. So if somebody's going to communicate in a certain language, have it a language they are the root of. Oh no, I ended my sentence in a proposition. Oh well.
How is English not much of a language at all? :rolleyes:

Am I the only who realizes that if your country has 100% taxes then it is essentially communism? :headbang: I dont know, maybe there were just more of you pinko bastards then I realized... that or you to incompetant to keep your taxes down.
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My Income Tax is at somewhere in the 80% range, I just can't stop spending!!

American English is a mutilated version of Real English, which isn't much of a language at all. So if somebody's going to communicate in a certain language, have it a language they are the root of. Oh no, I ended my sentence in a proposition. Oh well.

I dunno.. I think majority rule should decide.. no more funny spellings that way. :)

Yes, because Communism is perfect and its the way to go :)

Please...:rolleyes:

I'm assuming you are being sarcastic, hence I will reply with a serious answer on which you have a fairly narrow view of it. Communism is alright as long as the people are willing to work for it. Human nature might be difficult, but certainly not impossible, and certainly plausible. Look at monks and priests. They are denying many human qualities.

Not only that, but 'Communism' (which are socialists or authoritarians posing as Communists) have been under attacks by Capitalists.

So, back at you. Please..

I think my natural inclination in that situation, in that kind of society, would be to work as little as humanly possible.. :p

People would look down on you as a lazy bastard who doesnt contribute anything. Maybe you could still live with that, but personally, I would not enjoy a useless existence as a leech who contributes nothing, even if people dont look down on me.

I'm assuming you are being sarcastic, hence I will reply with a serious answer on which you have a fairly narrow view of it. Communism is alright as long as the people are willing to work for it. Human nature might be difficult, but certainly not impossible, and certainly plausible. Look at monks and priests. They are denying many human qualities.

Not only that, but 'Communism' (which are socialists or authoritarians posing as Communists) have been under attacks by Capitalists.

So, back at you. Please..
Its a very utopian vision, and when it finally is able of working, then yes fine. Until then, Capitalism is the way to go.

People would look down on you as a lazy bastard who doesnt contribute anything. Maybe you could still live with that, but personally, I would not enjoy a useless existence as a leech who contributes nothing, even if people dont look down on me.

If they're "paying" me the same wage as someone who works 60 hours a week, (in the name of equality, of course) it's called "beating the system," and I'd be comfortable with that. Sure, I'd probably show up at work occasionally for my own entertainment, maybe even do a few minutes of actual work, but I wouldn't feel obligated.

Edit: I should also say that having a mindlessly boring job, or no job at all, doesn't equate to a 'meaningless existence,' if you have other interests or goals. I'd still write my music, paint, hobby farm, etc. I'd be cool.

I'm assuming you are being sarcastic, hence I will reply with a serious answer on which you have a fairly narrow view of it. Communism is alright as long as the people are willing to work for it. Human nature might be difficult, but certainly not impossible, and certainly plausible. Look at monks and priests. They are denying many human qualities.

Not only that, but 'Communism' (which are socialists or authoritarians posing as Communists) have been under attacks by Capitalists.

So, back at you. Please..

I think you are mistaken in your assumption that human nature is to be lazy. I believe it is human nature to seek fulfillment and that humans find fulfillment when they are doing something useful and productive. Show me a person who lives a life of nothing but TV and internet, and Ill show you a person who is feeling useless, hopeless, and depressed.

A 100% income tax would be impossible within a communism, because there is no income.

Sure, enough to eat. By 'as little as humanly possible' I did mean 'enough to exist as a human being (rather than a bloated corpse someplace)' :)
Well you can survive on probably like 300 calories per day. But it wouldn't be a fun existance. You might want to work a bit harder and live comfortably. But that's just me *shrug*
Not to hijack this thread, but this needs to be responded to:
American English is a mutilated version of Real English, which isn't much of a language at all. So if somebody's going to communicate in a certain language, have it a language they are the root of. Oh no, I ended my sentence in a proposition. Oh well.
Couple problems with that:
It is called a dialect, and you are just being a classic anti-American, attacking stupid things like our language variation. How often do you go up to an Australian and tell them they have mutilated your language? Probably not as often (if at all) as you do with Americans.
The "root" of the language? Shouldn't you be speaking in some odd combination of Latin, Greek, and other "dead" languages right now then? They are the "root" of English afterall.
If you aren't even going to follow grammar rules shouldn't you also be accused of "mutilating" the language?

The "root" of the language? Shouldn't you be speaking in some odd combination of Latin, Greek, and other "dead" languages right now then? They are the "root" of English afterall.
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As is Germanic. Its a major root of English.

My income tax rate hit 87% about a month ago. Now it's at 38%, which is reasonable in the real world. My goal is to get it and keep it between 25%-35%.

My income tax rate hit 87% about a month ago. Now it's at 38%, which is reasonable in the real world. My goal is to get it and keep it between 25%-35%.
Mine is 73% <.< My nation is in need of major reform.

My income tax rate hit 87% about a month ago. Now it's at 38%, which is reasonable in the real world. My goal is to get it and keep it between 25%-35%.
I have a 100% income tax in my nation. Yes, I do run a communist nation, and proud of it.

I think you are mistaken in your assumption that human nature is to be lazy. I believe it is human nature to seek fulfillment and that humans find fulfillment when they are doing something useful and productive. Show me a person who lives a life of nothing but TV and internet, and Ill show you a person who is feeling useless, hopeless, and depressed.

To beat the horse some more (sorry):

Isn't it possible to do meaningful and productive things outside of work? I dunno about you, but the things that give life meaning (to me) aren't at work. Some commie working at a widget factory is probably going to find meaning at home with family, and not at the factory, I should think.

American English is a mutilated version of Real English, which isn't much of a language at all. So if somebody's going to communicate in a certain language, have it a language they are the root of. Oh no, I ended my sentence in a proposition. Oh well.


Ignoring the fact that plenty of American spellings are actually preservations of British spellings from the C16th, and if anyone is mutilating things here its proud island race, no? The change from a predominance of -izes to -ises in British English only happened in 1800-something.

To beat the horse some more (sorry):

Isn't it possible to do meaningful and productive things outside of work? I dunno about you, but the things that give life meaning (to me) aren't at work. Some commie working at a widget factory is probably going to find meaning at home with family, and not at the factory, I should think.
That's why in my opinion "true" communism can't work. You have to do something to cause people to work and work efficently. I have thought up a system to do this, but I don't really feel like trying to type it all and then respond to every attack it will come under.

To beat the horse some more (sorry):

Isn't it possible to do meaningful and productive things outside of work? I dunno about you, but the things that give life meaning (to me) aren't at work. Some commie working at a widget factory is probably going to find meaning at home with family, and not at the factory, I should think.

If it is productive, then it is work. If you stay at home to teach your children, then that is work. That is your job. Work isnt necessarily working at some factory. Work could also be as a teacher, an entertainer, a lawyer or judge, a service person, full time parent, etc.

Mine's only 12%, but then I tend to believe the government has no business interfereing in much of life. It should provide defence, education, roads, justice, and perhaps a few other things. But none of this 'everyone is entitled to everything' nonsense.

As is Germanic. Its a major root of English.

Time to wheel out James D. Nicoll again:

The problem with defending the purity of the English language
is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't
just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages
down alleyways to beat them unconscious and riffle their pockets for
new vocabulary.

If it is productive, then it is work. If you stay at home to teach your children, then that is work. That is your job. Work isnt necessarily working at some factory. Work could also be as a teacher, an entertainer, a lawyer or judge, a service person, etc.

I think I'd have a tough time trying to convince the Politburo that sitting on my couch writing music, whittling a boat, or pruning and eating figs off my trees counted as actual work... if they're going to enforce 100% employment, their auditor is probably going to hear that, stare at me slackjawed for a while, eventually recover, and demand I do a job that results in the government making a profit.

Time to wheel out James D. Nicoll again:

The problem with defending the purity of the English language
is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't
just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages
down alleyways to beat them unconscious and riffle their pockets for
new vocabulary.
How does this have any relevance to the fact that the English language is made up mostly of Latin, Greek and Germanic? :confused: Everyone knows English borrows from other languages too.

Time to wheel out James D. Nicoll again:

The problem with defending the purity of the English language
is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't
just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages
down alleyways to beat them unconscious and riffle their pockets for
new vocabulary.

Sure, but on the upside, at least we don't have government ministries and programs wasting taxpayer money to keep our language "pure," and free of foreign encroachment.. *coughfrancecough* :p

Sure, but on the upside, at least we don't have government ministries and programs wasting taxpayer money to keep our language "pure," and free of foreign encroachment.. *coughfrancecough* :p
It would be more difficult with English anyway. French is a Romance language, meaning its influences are almost entirely greco-roman with some celtic.

100% tax income is COMMUNISM!
Huh? Well, 100% of my income comes from taxation. Does that mean I'm a communist??? :eek:

I think I'd have a tough time trying to convince the Politburo that sitting on my couch writing music, whittling a boat, or pruning and eating figs off my trees counted as actual work... if they're going to enforce 100% employment, their auditor is probably going to hear that, stare at me slackjawed for a while, eventually recover, and demand I do a job that results in the government making a profit.

Writing music is very much a job. The entertainment industry is a job like any other and if writing music is what you love to do and are good at, then yes, it would be a perfectly viable career. Personally, I am very grateful that the government paid Mozart to write music.

In a communist system, there is no poliburo. Nor is there profit.

How does this have any relevance to the fact that the English language is made up mostly of Latin, Greek and Germanic? :confused: Everyone knows English borrows from other languages too.

Amplifying the quote you were responding too, and taking your own input on board: we could sit here till the cows come home listing languages which have been influences on/roots of the English language.

Amplifying the quote you were responding too, and taking your own input on board: we could sit here till the cows come home listing languages which have been influences on/roots of the English language.
Yet it has been widely accepted that greco/roman/germanic are the main influences on English, and its core bases.

Yet it has been widely accepted that greco/roman/germanic are the main influences on English, and its core bases.

Yes, I was not disputing what you had to say.

Writing music is very much a job. The entertainment industry is a job like any other and if writing music is what you love to do and are good at, then yes, it would be a perfectly viable career. Personally, I am very grateful that the government paid Mozart to write music.

In a communist system, there is no poliburo. Nor is there profit.

For the 1% of artists that find an audience and earn a real paycheck, writing music is a job, sure.. but the government can't be cutting everyone a check, since, unlike Mozart, I'm not too likely to pack a concert hall with aristocrats eager to drop some cash while in town.. :p If everyone could claim employment in such things, the guy working 60 hours a week folding shirts might feel a bit shortchanged.

Yes, I was not disputing what you had to say.
I see. :)

isnt this supposed to be about communism? ohhh that reminds me, did you know the translation of broken telephone in french is "telephone arab" which means as you can tell arab telephone, kinda goes to show you what the french think about the arabs...

I think my natural inclination in that situation, in that kind of society, would be to work as little as humanly possible.. :p
Im right there with you:p :D btw, my tax rate is 22%. its about perfect

I think you mean 'realised' and I think the OP is American so in his case it is spelled 'realized'
Why dont you people spell it the right way, with a 'z' and also why must you throw that unnessecary 'u' in labor, and its center, not centre. Sorry my rant is over.

Why dont you people spell it the right way, with a 'z' and also why must you throw that unnessecary 'u' in labor, and its center, not centre. Sorry my rant is over.
not in Canada/England. besides, pointing out spelling errors is flamebait.

*Lays down a triple Slap on Pablo Jose Archero*
Ah shut up.

Am I the only who realizes that if your country has 100% taxes then it is essentially communism? :headbang: I dont know, maybe there were just more of you pinko bastards then I realized... that or you to incompetant to keep your taxes down.
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How the fuck are you literate?

not in Canada/England. besides, pointing out spelling errors is flamebait.
sorry, Im not trying to be a flammer

I am a pinko bastard :fluffle:

not in Canada/England. besides, pointing out spelling errors is flamebait.


Be Canadian, I've always spelt it "realized" and no teacher/prof/TA has ever corrected it. I've never actually realized there were two ways to spell "realized" until tonight either. The Canadian spellchecker in MS Word also accepts both spellings as valid.

I've also heard the "official" Canadian way to spell program is "programme"... but that's never used at all. Interesting how we keep some Britsh spellings but toss some and adopt the American.

Just to drop the point:

I believe in a fully communist society, those who do not work should be jailed for treason against the state. Furthermore, the government should assign jobs, though being quite flexible with them(letting people petition for different jobs if they have a decent reason, hours fitting if they have school or other important duties, etc).

Furthermore, jobs should be fairly equal to the worker. The person who empties the trash in the morning should have a smaller number of hours than someone who is a cashier, same with more skilled jobs, having less hours. While you would need more people to do these things, there would be a higher employment rate because of the government (hopefully) efficiently assigning jobs to all that can work. Work weeks would try to not be too heavy, vacations allowed, etc.

I think flexible communism could work, people just don't give it a chance.

Just to drop the point:

I believe in a fully communist society, those who do not work should be jailed for treason against the state. Furthermore, the government should assign jobs, though being quite flexible with them(letting people petition for different jobs if they have a decent reason, hours fitting if they have school or other important duties, etc).

Furthermore, jobs should be fairly equal to the worker. The person who empties the trash in the morning should have a smaller number of hours than someone who is a cashier, same with more skilled jobs, having less hours. While you would need more people to do these things, there would be a higher employment rate because of the government (hopefully) efficiently assigning jobs to all that can work. Work weeks would try to not be too heavy, vacations allowed, etc.

I think flexible communism could work, people just don't give it a chance.

All I can say is: there had better be one hell of a tall fence keeping me locked in a society like that one.. heh. ;)

Just to drop the point:

I believe in a fully communist society, those who do not work should be jailed for treason against the state. Furthermore, the government should assign jobs, though being quite flexible with them(letting people petition for different jobs if they have a decent reason, hours fitting if they have school or other important duties, etc).

Furthermore, jobs should be fairly equal to the worker. The person who empties the trash in the morning should have a smaller number of hours than someone who is a cashier, same with more skilled jobs, having less hours. While you would need more people to do these things, there would be a higher employment rate because of the government (hopefully) efficiently assigning jobs to all that can work. Work weeks would try to not be too heavy, vacations allowed, etc.

I think flexible communism could work, people just don't give it a chance.

What you're describing is actually pretty close to what was tried in the Soviet Union.

The government was NOT able to "efficiently" assign jobs.

They ended up with people such as poets or writers being jailed for "not working" because the government did not consider literature to be a job.

They ended up with HORRIBLE quality of newspapers and suchlike because hey, the proletariat is good for any job, so what if they don't know how to read and write, we'll teach 'em and then they'll put out newspapers!

Basically, the government, from experience, is simply NOT GOOD at distinguishing what would be the best way for people to work. Based on a paper form submitted to a manager who submits it to a supervisor who submits it to a boss, there's virtually no way to tell a "slacker" who wants an easy job from someone that really does need to work less (because of "important duties"). Likewise, it's virtually impossible to tell someone who works hard from someone who bribed their boss.

And of course, this gives perfect loopholes to anyone who doesn't work hard - just claim that the government picked the wrong job for them. And it gives no way of distinguishing people who are working their hardest from people who are working at 80% efficiency, since it's not like they care about their job anyway.

And of course, there's the issue of how you decide what's "fair to the worker." The party leaders certainly thought that it was fair for THEM to get more benefits, since clearly they are working SO much harder than the petty slackers in the factories... and even if there WEREN'T any corruption, ever, then you're asking for people who AREN'T DOING A PARTICULAR JOB to judge how hard it is compared to other jobs, which they have never worked at either. Um, yeah, that's going to work real well.

And so on.

Basically, you're starting from the assumption that a government is competent enough to do those things well. History has shown that it generally isn't, especially for a large country.

What a horribly created stick figure.
Wow, I really didn't know what the hell that was. Thansk man:)

I have a 2% income tax, I feel like such a sick communist scumbag...

*goes off to hang self*

You should :p

Unless work was required and you got resources (like food for example) based on how much work you did. That might incline you to work a bit harder, eh?


Wouldn't food then become a form of currency?

I think you are mistaken in your assumption that human nature is to be lazy. I believe it is human nature to seek fulfillment and that humans find fulfillment when they are doing something useful and productive. Show me a person who lives a life of nothing but TV and internet, and Ill show you a person who is feeling useless, hopeless, and depressed.


True. But that doesn't mean Communism will work because of that.

Time to wheel out James D. Nicoll again:

The problem with defending the purity of the English language
is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't
just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages
down alleyways to beat them unconscious and riffle their pockets for
new vocabulary.


Nice quote! :D

the government should assign jobs, though being quite flexible with them(letting people petition for different jobs if they have a decent reason, hours fitting if they have school or other important duties, etc).



How about, I don't want to be a garbageman, I want to be a ballerina? Why? for no other reason than I want to.

What would your response be?

True. But that doesn't mean Communism will work because of that.

Nope. I never said it did. But it does destroy that whole theory of people being naturally lazy. People are not naturally lazy, people naturally seek fulfillment and purpose, being productive helps fill that natural need. Money is an artificial desire that has absolutely nothing to do with human nature. If people's only motivation in life were money, humanity would not predate money, yet it does. Money is an artificial need. The desire to be productive is the real nature of humanity.