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Canadian Harper's First Scandal

Union Canada
11-02-2006, 03:54
OTTAWA (CP) - A rebellious Conservative wants to introduce legislation that would deter future David Emersons and Belinda Stronachs from switching political parties.

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Ontario MP Garth Turner hopes to push ahead with a private member's bill even after being reprimanded by Prime Minister Stephen Harper for his outspoken stand.

"It's on the public agenda and I think it needs to be addressed. People feel a bit cynical about the system," Turner said in an interview Friday.

"Let's talk about it, let's try and fix it."

He says he doesn't regret his decision to speak out against Emerson's jump to the Tories. But he expects there will be a price to pay.

In his online blog, Turner writes that he expects to be assigned an office in "a renovated washroom somewhere in a forgotten corner of a vermin-infested dank basement."

He said he had a series of unhappy meetings with caucus officials Thursday over his comments, including one with Harper.

"I think it is now safe to say my career options within the Conservative caucus are seriously limited," writes Turner, a former columnist and Progressive Conservative MP, now representing the Ontario riding of Halton.

"If you would like a course on how not to be popular in Ottawa, then take a seat."

Turner told The Canadian Press that he was asked to "curtail my activities" - but refused.

"I am a member of Parliament," he said. "That's my job. When my constituents are upset about something, it's my job to relay that."

Turner said earlier this week that Emerson, a Vancouver-area Liberal who crossed the floor Monday to take the post of trade minister in Harper's cabinet, should step down.

His proposed legislation would require MPs to face voters in a byelection when they want to switch parties. It's extremely rare for a private member's bill to succeed in the House of Commons.

Even if it were successful, the bill would only apply in the future, not in Emerson's case.

"You couldn't do something like this retroactively. But I think, going forward, we need to improve the system from what it is today," he said in an interview.

On Friday, New Democrat MP Peter Julian asked the ethics commissioner to investigate the circumstances surrounding Emerson's decision to join the government. Emerson has said he was approached by the Tories and offered the cabinet job.

Julian said that could place Harper in violation of Parliament's conflict-of-interest code, which prohibits members from acting to further their own or other MPs' private interests.

"It is our opinion that the considerable increase in salary, augmented potential pension, staff and assorted perks enjoyed by members of the cabinet such as a personal car and driver amount to furthering Mr. Emerson's private interests over what he would have received as an opposition MP," wrote Julian, who represents the B.C. riding of Burnaby-New Westminster.

"Therefore, in our opinion, Mr. Harper may be in breach of Section 8 of the Conflict of Interest Code and I would ask that you investigate this matter."

In what he called a principled position, Turner said all government members - not just cabinet ministers - should be elected as members of the party that forms the government.

"Anybody who switches parties should go back to the people. To do otherwise is to place politicians above the people when, actually, it's the other way around."

Turner said his comments were deemed "not helpful."

Harper has been under fire all week for appointing Emerson and unelected Montrealer Michael Fortier to cabinet.

Fortier, a Tory organizer who was handed Public Works, will be appointed to the Senate until the next federal election, when he plans to seek a seat in the Commons.

The appointments, which Harper says were designed to give two of the country's biggest cities representation in cabinet, rankled many Conservative MPs.

The party had previously contended that floor-crossers like former Conservative Belinda Stronach should have to face the electorate before taking their new seats. And Harper has been a strong advocate of an elected Senate.

Turner said he had "swallowed with gusto" promises of more free votes, more powerful committees of "free-thinking" MPs, a more responsive government, and an elected and responsible Senate.

He said Harper's decision to appoint a floor-crossing Liberal and an unelected party official to cabinet "seemed to fly in the face of everything I had told voters about accountability and democracy."

"It also made me question the whole process."

Turner, who moved into his constituency office Thursday night, said he knew in advance the potential consequences of taking his stand.

"Speaking of offices, after today I'm expecting the Whip will be assigning me a renovated washroom somewhere in a forgotten corner of a vermin-infested dank basement in Ottawa," he said. "That should go well with my seat in the House of Commons that will be visible only during lunar eclipses."

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NDP is the only good choice.
Mikesburg
11-02-2006, 04:57
I hope Mr. Turner succeeds, I really do. I'm generally a conservative (from a Canadian point of view), but not a party loyalist per se. I'm sure there would be enough dissenting votes from the conservative backbenchers combined with a healthy opposition to push that through. Anything that pushes credibility and enforces democratic practice gets a big thumbs up from me.

Oh, and NDP's not a real choice. Sorry. Proved through constant democratic practice.
Ritlina
11-02-2006, 04:59
And You Silly Canadians Say We Yanks Get All The Scandals!
The Chinese Republics
11-02-2006, 05:11
And You Silly Canadians Say We Yanks Get All The Scandals!
Scandals:

Canada: 3

USA: x > 3
Ladamesansmerci
11-02-2006, 05:20
Well, i think we can safely say that the Canadian system is not working very well. I mean, we've always known it was far from perfect, but Emerson's betrayal to his people is a backstabbing! It's so nice to see that at least one person has the balls to stand up to the stupid party solidarity rule in Canada. If Turner ever runs in my constituency, he's got my vote.
Skaladora
11-02-2006, 05:20
And You Silly Canadians Say We Yanks Get All The Scandals!
That thing is hardly a scandal. In fact, I'm pleasantly surprised members of the conservative have the integrity to stand up against this sort of behaviour.

That's quite an hypocritical move on the part of Harper, after having yelled so much about Belinda's move to another party. I'm glad some conservatives feel that David Emerson is as much, if not even moreso, a political whore.
Skaladora
11-02-2006, 05:22
Well, i think we can safely say that the Canadian system is not working very well. I mean, we've always known it was far from perfect, but Emerson's betrayal to his people is a backstabbing! It's so nice to see that at least one person has the balls to stand up to the stupid party solidarity rule in Canada. If Turner ever runs in my constituency, he's got my vote.
He's not the only one standing up. Several conservatives share the same position, and the NDP has been largely in favor of forcing MPs who switch parties to participate in partial elections. Both conservative and NDP MPs have voted for such a proposal in the past.
Ladamesansmerci
11-02-2006, 05:25
He's not the only one standing up. Several conservatives share the same position, and the NDP has been largely in favor of forcing MPs who switch parties to participate in partial elections. Both conservative and NDP MPs have voted for such a proposal in the past.

Yes, i believe it was just before the elections when the Tories voted for some sort of reform in the House of Commons that would require by-elections run if an MP switches parties. (correct me if i'm wrong.) but now, RIGHT after the election, they pull a Belinda Stronach. this is the scale of hypocracy we rarely see in the Canadian government. American, maybe, but not Canadian!
Funky Evil
11-02-2006, 05:26
Turner told The Canadian Press that he was asked to "curtail my activities" - but refused.

"I am a member of Parliament," he said. "That's my job. When my constituents are upset about something, it's my job to relay that."

omg. it appears to be a... a... backbone! in a canadian?

well, you can tell he's at least a conservative.
Canada6
12-02-2006, 02:49
Watch out... Funky Evil is determined to prove he's an idiot. He will stop at nothing.
Bobs Own Pipe
12-02-2006, 10:00
I don't think outright floor crossing ought to be allowed at all. I think an MP who leaves their party should have to sit out the remainder of their term as an independent, and only be permitted to run for a different party at the next federal election - unless he is recalled for a byelection by his constituency, in which case he could then run for a different party.

Of course, the opposite could also be true; if a candidate ran successfully as an independent, he could later affiliate himself with any party - provided his constituents didn't squawk unduly.

If it really is about principle, and not perqs and power, any reasonable person would agree that switching Party allegiances should be a more protracted exercise - not as easy as putting on a different sweater in the morning.
[NS]Canada City
12-02-2006, 13:37
That thing is hardly a scandal. In fact, I'm pleasantly surprised members of the conservative have the integrity to stand up against this sort of behaviour.

That's quite an hypocritical move on the part of Harper, after having yelled so much about Belinda's move to another party. I'm glad some conservatives feel that David Emerson is as much, if not even moreso, a political whore.

I think one of the huge reasons for the uproar was Belinda turncoated at a critical time (non-confidence vote) and she bascailly spouted shit about Harper and the conservative party.

Emerson, while turn coated, didn't say "Well those liberals want to fuck up Canada!", unlike Belinda.

I do agree about not allowing switches though, because people voted for that candidate to STAY on that party.

Is this a scandal? Hardly. Harper IS playing by the rules of the government, just like SOME of the things the liberals were doing, but it is a very unpopular move as you can see.
[NS]Canada City
12-02-2006, 13:41
omg. it appears to be a... a... backbone! in a canadian?

well, you can tell he's at least a conservative.

Yep, big surprise. I thought Canadian parties are supposed to act like a hive, one mind, one goal. It seems our elected officials are ...thinking, just like American congress members do! OMG!

I laugh at McKenna!