NationStates Jolt Archive

Thought this up after the "2nd Most Powerful Nation" topic.

I'd probably help Germany win WWI. And not only for patriotic reasons. Many of today's major problems can be directly or indirectly blamed on Versailles.

id go back to my first semester and study harder

I think I would go back and really drag my father's sorry arse to court on allegations of child molestation...

I'd go back and in bullet time jump on Cain to keep him from murdering Abel.

Well, I would bet a lot of money on things like a German victory at the 1956 World Cup.

Then I would have a good long talk with Bismarck and explain to him what happened in the future. Then he could make up his mind.

Alternatively, I'm afraid to say that I agree with the OP...the world would probably have been slightly better off if Germany had won the war. There were even plans for a proto-EU if Germany had won. :D

Well, I would bet a lot of money on things like a German victory at the 1956 World Cup.

Then I would have a good long talk with Bismarck and explain to him what happened in the future. Then he could make up his mind.

Alternatively, I'm afraid to say that I agree with the OP...the world would probably have been slightly better off if Germany had won the war. There were even plans for a proto-EU if Germany had won. :D

I actually liked Germany ( WWI Germany) and dont really think of them as evil, just the opposition. In fact, if America hadnt fought against Germany, I would have supported the Germans.


Though obviously not in WWII.

I actually liked Germany ( WWI Germany) and dont really think of them as evil, just the opposition. In fact, if America hadnt fought against Germany, I would have supported the Germans.
If Germany won WWI... (http://pages.prodigy.net/aesir/wwi.htm)

win the lottery and murder anyone I felt like as going back in time I would be in two places at once and would be a bullet proof alibi

I'd go back in time and murder my own great great great grandfather, just to see what happens.

If Germany won WWI... (http://pages.prodigy.net/aesir/wwi.htm)

o noes! :eek: Not... the COMMUNARDS!

If Germany won WWI... (http://pages.prodigy.net/aesir/wwi.htm)

A very interesting read.

I'd go back in time and murder my own great great great grandfather, just to see what happens.
reminds me of Futurama

reminds me of Futurama

And imagine the paradox it would create if I had a bunch of scientists try and predict what would happen before I did it.
Really, if I killed my own grandfather, I would not exist, and thus I could not have killed my own grandfather, so I would exist, so I could kill my grandfather... and the paradox cycle continues.

A very interesting read.
I'm not sure whether I agree with it all, but it asks a few questions. But then...if I was travelling back in time, I'd find a way to become leader myself.

I'm not sure whether I agree with it all, but it asks a few questions. But then...if I was travelling back in time, I'd find a way to become leader myself.

Sieg Heil?

I would change nearly everything
...learn harder in school
...go on a gymnasium
...study
...meet and marry Paris Hilton
...separate from her
...live with my millions

I'd go back in time and murder my own great great great grandfather, just to see what happens.

If it went anything like my theory of time travel, you'd be fine, and free to travel back to the future. But you wouldn't exist in the future. You wouldn't have a family or history. It's just be you.

Having Germany win WWI is not good either, as its not even possible. Sure, both sides suffered from "exhaustion" however, Germany's economy could not keep up with the UK and the USA. No matter what, they would have lost. Unless, of course, you change history. Ugh.

I'd kill Hitler, if that's the whole point.

Sieg Heil?
More like "Hail to everybody!!!"

I'm not the type to conquer the world and annihilate the Jews.

Having Germany win WWI is not good either, as its not even possible. Sure, both sides suffered from "exhaustion" however, Germany's economy could not keep up with the UK and the USA. No matter what, they would have lost. Unless, of course, you change history. Ugh.

I'd kill Hitler, if that's the whole point.

Dude, I would go back and give them the designs for the G36, Leopard tank and the Harrier. The war really would be over by Christmas. They'd win in a month >_>

Having Germany win WWI is not good either, as its not even possible. Sure, both sides suffered from "exhaustion" however, Germany's economy could not keep up with the UK and the USA.
See that's the point: It's not true.

The UK wasn't really any bigger than Germany to start with, and the blockade really hurt them for a while, not to forget that Britain had to get an army from a smaller population.
If Operations Michael and Georgette had succeeded, Germany would have won the war. It's that simple - and don't think the US would've bothered fighting on if it was all alone. Not in 1918.

More like "Hail to everybody!!!"

I'm not the type to conquer the world and annihilate the Jews.

What would that be... Heil zu Alles?

And I never said you were. :p

Dude, I would go back and give them the designs for the G36, Leopard tank and the Harrier. They'd win in a month >_>
I'd just tell Moltke to stick to the bloody plan.

Then German troops would've outnumbered the Allies at the Marne (which I would also have forseen), the Germans would win and take Paris, and the war would be over.

Dude, I would go back and give them the designs for the G36, Leopard tank and the Harrier. They'd win in a month >_>

You could, but they'd lack the industrial know-how to build the machines nessesary to build those items.

EDIT: Oops, wrong war!

You could, but they'd lack the industrial know-how to build the machines nessesary to build those items.

EDIT: Oops, wrong war!

Well, I was just giving you the gist of it. I'd really go back to, like, 1880, and completely modernise Germany. By 1914, they'd be as strong as the USA today.

Well, I was just giving you the gist of it. I'd really go back to, like, 1880, and completely modernise Germany. By 1914, they'd be as strong as the USA today.

With cancer rates higher than those found among shoesalesmen of the 1930s who used flouroscopes day in and day out....

Sieg Heil?

Bad taste and you invoked the godwin on your head...back to base:mad:

Bad taste and you invoked the godwin on your head...back to base:mad:

Oy vey.

Would someone buy this man a beer?

See that's the point: It's not true.
Historial bantering aside, if Germany had won, its not clean-cut "no WWII" groovy.

My opinion is, we'd actually be worse off. Economically, socially, and techonologically. The only thing is, that's so subjective, its not really worth arguing. We can't predict alternate history.

In general, this is running on my knowledge that the German state in the early 20th century, economically speaking, was much more centralized than that of the UK or the USA. This would cut down on initiative to invent, social progression (and by this I mean to a more liberal flavour), and that we would not be as wealthy as we are today (health wise, knowledge wise, and materially speaking). That, coupled with a rather strong monarchy controlling Europe for a longer period of time, is something that would really mess with the world as we know it. Certainly Russia would be invaded as the Reds and Whites squabbled.

On top of that, I perhaps wouldn't be me. My forefather's possibly would not be able to immigrate to America from Poland.

In general, this is running on my knowledge that the German state in the early 20th century, economically speaking, was much more centralized than that of the UK or the USA.
I'm no specialist, but I'm not sure about this. Bismarck had begun a program for social security for poor people, but generally, Germany was quite laissez-faire. 'Cuz Otto really didn't like Socialists.
The defence industry was run by large families like the Thyssens, the Krupps and so on.

I'm no specialist, but I'm not sure about this. Bismarck had begun a program for social security for poor people, but generally, Germany was quite laissez-faire.
I'm not exactly certain either, nor am I a specialist, but Bismark also inacted a program to keep the tumb on Poles. I just don't like the idea.
Is that a double negative, in the sentence above?
It would be totally feasable that Germany reverted to a more centralized planning under the Great War, like the States and Britain, only the Allies were blessed with a more robust economy or their initiatives were more effective. There's too many variables. I'm hungry too.

We'll discuss this another time. :)

Well, I would bet a lot of money on things like a German victory at the 1956 World Cup.


And you would have lost a lot of money, too, if you'd made that bet.

Me, I'd bet on Germany winning the 1954 World Cup, and would come away considerably wealthier than you ;)

I'd go back & make sure my father's cancer was diagnosed in time.

Me, I'd bet on Germany winning the 1954 World Cup, and would come away considerably wealthier than you ;)
:D
Got me.

Canada would win the Space Race, and maybe Trotsky would become the leader of the USSR instead of Stalin. Which would probably prevent the Space Race from happenning.

What would you change if you could go back in time?What means do I get at my disposal to change history?
Can I take a modern army division back with me?
Even just a tank would help out immensely and several eras.

I suppose eventually I'd end up ruling the roman empire for about at least 1500 years, maybe even into the modern age.
Yes, I know time travel doesn't make you immortal. However you can skip ten years every now and then if everything is running smooth, and if someone screwed up, you can just move back to when your presence was required.
I suppose while I'm at it, I might as well take over Chinese empire as well.

Oy vey.

Would someone buy this man a beer?

Nice Quote in your sig, but sadly wrong, it`s "möge ein jeder nach seiner Facon glücklich werden"...but a half cookie for the right author

If I could turn back time?
If I could find a way?

Id take back all the things that would hurt you, and you'd stay.
If I could reach the stars, I'd give them all to you.
then you'd love me, love me, like you used to do.

HAH!

Have ye some Cher, ye scurvy dogs!

What would you change if you could go back in time? after much thought... go back to the Garden of Eden and prevent Eve from taking that bite. oh, and I'll behead a serpent or two...


seriously tho... probably go back and get the autographs of our founding Fathers... then give them a little heads up as to the State of the Union 200 years after they die. I will, of course, take proof that I am from the future by bringing some minor tech items, as well as a history book.

then I would collect as much documents as possible. including money, Franklin's papers as well as carvings and artwork.

then I would hop forwards, monitoring the changes the founding fathers made after my 'lecture of things the future holds,' and constantly moving the 'stash' to different locations and collecting more, untill I'm back in the present, then I would sell the stuff and live off the money made selling those rare and mint condition historical artifiacts.

I'd go to the big bang and convince god its not really a good idea

Nice Quote in your sig, but sadly wrong, it`s "möge ein jeder nach seiner Facon glücklich werden"...but a half cookie for the right author

Bah. I dug it up on an internet quote site. Liked the man and the quote translated into English, but I figured that he didn't actually say it in English, and so it wouldn't be what he actually said....

By the by, diye have a source for that? It's not that I don't trust you, it's just that after being misled one way, I don't exactly trust the person tugging me in the other. :p

Bah. I dug it up on an internet quote site. Liked the man and the quote translated into English, but I figured that he didn't actually say it in English, and so it wouldn't be what he actually said....

By the by, diye have a source for that? It's not that I don't trust you, it's just that after being misled one way, I don't exactly trust the person tugging me in the other. :p

Not more than my own history teaching, but I may look up somewhere :p ...but right now I have to work some :(

Not more than my own history teaching, but I may look up somewhere :p ...but right now I have to work some :(

Fun. x.x

I'd be an additional bodyguard for Lincoln for his trip to the theatre.

If I could turn back time?
If I could find a way?

Id take back all the things that would hurt you, and you'd stay.
If I could reach the stars, I'd give them all to you.
then you'd love me, love me, like you used to do.

HAH!

Have ye some Cher, ye scurvy dogs!

Ouch!

I actually liked Germany ( WWI Germany) and dont really think of them as evil, just the opposition. In fact, if America hadnt fought against Germany, I would have supported the Germans.

Though obviously not in WWII.

So you dont appose imperialism as long as its "nice". Wake up. The Germans wanted to conquer Europe and Europe's peoples wished to remain free.

So you dont appose imperialism as long as its "nice". Wake up. The Germans wanted to conquer Europe and Europe's peoples wished to remain free.

WWI wasn't about "the vile Imperialism of the Hun", it was about Austria and Russia making a big deal about Serbia.

Blackadder said it best: "The British Empire at present covers a quarter of the globe, while the German Empire consists of a small sausage factory in Tanganyika.

Bah. I dug it up on an internet quote site. Liked the man and the quote translated into English, but I figured that he didn't actually say it in English, and so it wouldn't be what he actually said....

By the by, diye have a source for that? It's not that I don't trust you, it's just that after being misled one way, I don't exactly trust the person tugging me in the other. :p

Actually, you're right (sorry, CK).
I googled for a bit, and turns out, there's a dozen different phrases floating around (mainly because it's pretty well-known & used, often in newspaper articles etc.), all slightly different, but all saying the same thing. But the original one by Friedrich II is this (http://de.wikiquote.org/wiki/Friedrich_II.,_der_Gro%C3%9Fe):

"Die Religionen müssen alle toleriert werden und der Fiskus muss nur das Auge darauf haben, dass keine der anderen Abbruch tue, denn hier muss ein jeder nach seiner Façon selig werden."

The above is a direct translation from the original language/spelling of the time: "Die Religionen Müsen alle Tolleriret werden und mus der fiscal nuhr das auge darauf haben das keine der andern abruch Tuhe, den hier mus ein jeder nach Seiner Faßon Selich werden." Don't use this one, though! It'll just make people think you're a really bad speller...

The use of "muss" (= "must"; "has to") in this context sounds rather strange/counterintuitive to our modern ears, hence why it's usually changed into "möge" (= "may") or "soll" (= "shall").

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