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Iran to hang teenage girl attacked by rapists
Sat. 07 Jan 2006
Iran Focus

Tehran, Iran, Jan. 07 – An Iranian court has sentenced a teenage rape victim to death by hanging after she weepingly confessed that she had unintentionally killed a man who had tried to rape both her and her niece.

The state-run daily Etemaad reported on Saturday that 18-year-old Nazanin confessed to stabbing one of three men who had attacked the pair along with their boyfriends while they were spending some time in a park west of the Iranian capital in March 2005.

Nazanin, who was 17 years old at the time of the incident, said that after the three men started to throw stones at them, the two girls’ boyfriends quickly escaped on their motorbikes leaving the pair helpless.

She described how the three men pushed her and her 16-year-old niece Somayeh onto the ground and tried to rape them, and said that she took out a knife from her pocket and stabbed one of the men in the hand.

As the girls tried to escape, the men once again attacked them, and at this point, Nazanin said, she stabbed one of the men in the chest. The teenage girl, however, broke down in tears in court as she explained that she had no intention of killing the man but was merely defending herself and her younger niece from rape, the report said.

The court, however, issued on Tuesday a sentence for Nazanin to be hanged to death.

Last week, a court in the city of Rasht, northern Iran, sentenced Delara Darabi to death by hanging charged with murder when she was 17 years old. Darabi has denied the charges.

In August 2004, Iran’s Islamic penal system sentenced a 16-year-old girl, Atefeh Rajabi, to death after a sham trial, in which she was accused of committing “acts incompatible with chastity”.

The teenage victim had no access to a lawyer at any stage and efforts by her family to retain one were to no avail. Atefeh personally defended herself and told the religious judge that he should punish those who force women into adultery, not the victims. She was eventually hanged in public in the northern town of Neka

ok..now i know america and our western lackeys are evil incarnate..the great satan...zionist pawns..blah blah blah...but really...is this not from the middle ages or what...sickening is not a strong enough word for these barbaric religous lunatics...and if it was a christian/jewish/hindu/budhist/wiccan/animist doing the same things..i would still feel this way.
from a father of a daughter..disgust doesnt even come close.

maybe democracy aint such a bad idea for these poor people under the thumb of evil misguided religous nuts!

normally i am against exporting my values and beliefs,especially at the barrel of a gun..but really,this is not sub saharan africa(not that that would make it more palatable)but a supposed..modern society that just has different cultural beliefs.....please...barbarism and a stoneage mentality..is exactly that..dress it up all you wish...don't change a thing...hanging a girl for being raped is just plain ...i am speechless.

i guess this is an attack on islam?

not peaceable muslims, but the religion that justifies this horror show,and burns embassies over cartoons..no matter how offensive...insult me or my god..trust me..i wont be rampaging and burning shit..i would just think you are a fool.

this shows a true insecurity in their faith(the burning and riots)and a serious insecurity in their manhood(hanging/stoning rape victims)that cant be explained other then the belief that women are second class beings(like hitler with the mud people analogy)and deserve this treatment..or are just plain intimidated by females,and at all costs will subjugate them...pathetic.

it just seems to this guilt ridden western christian,that everytime i try to rationalise there basic differences from me(oh..thats there culture and are entitled to there beliefs as i would exspect from them)they just get more despicable in their(generalising..i know)behaviour towards others...i can understand and symphathise with different beliefs..but when you hurt/murder and treat others like dirt...i draw the line.

for my opinion to change...the moderate..peaceful muslims best get off their ass and stand up for their beliefs,and toss the fuckin wackjobs into the ashbin of history..or be taken as nothing more then a violent mysgonist's with a thirst for blood and control.

if my religous leaders behaved 1/16 th this evil,i would denounce my religion as evil..or fight to change it.

rant off:confused:

So basically they enjoy the thought of murdering an innocent girl, so they (perhaps unconsciously) use their religion to "justify" this.

In other news, people commit just as bad crimes when trying to fight Muslim influence in politics.

http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/06/uzbek060303.htm
http://archive.muslimuzbekistan.com/eng/ennews/2003/05/ennews13052003.html

Since Uzbekistan is a great friend of the West, it is obvious that all secular governments and people approve of this, and they better start throwing people onto the trash heap of history, or else.

I can safely say we should invade their county, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.

Take your pick: homosexuals being executed in Iran, raped women being stoned to death in Nigeria - you have two choices, either you make the claims of cultural and moral relativity or you claim that such acts are wrong. For me sovereignty, nationality, sociology and culture are irrelevant on issues like these - this kind of behaviour universally abhorrent.

I can safely say we should invade their county, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.

When talking about executing minors who defend themselves simply because they are women I'm surprised you see this in cultural and religious terms rather than in terms of basic right and wrong.

In other news, people commit just as bad crimes when trying to fight Muslim influence in politics.

http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/06/uzbek060303.htm
http://archive.muslimuzbekistan.com/eng/ennews/2003/05/ennews13052003.html

Since Uzbekistan is a great friend of the West, it is obvious that all secular governments and people approve of this, and they better start throwing people onto the trash heap of history, or else.
Indeed, what you cited is disturbing, but why not focus on the matter at hand here? I find it truly abhorrent that they would kill the victim of the crime. :headbang:

Indeed, what you cited is disturbing, but why not focus on the matter at hand here? I find it truly abhorrent that they would kill the victim of the crime. :headbang:
Oh, it is abhorrent, no doubt about that.

I just find it interesting that Iran would always be the matter at hand, while Uzbekistan isn't (except when it comes to the new construction of US bases there).
And ultimately, the title suggests that this is not anti-muslim, but the OP text suggests differently to me.

Oh, it is abhorrent, no doubt about that.

I just find it interesting that Iran would always be the matter at hand, while Uzbekistan isn't (except when it comes to the new construction of US bases there).
And ultimately, the title suggests that this is not anti-muslim, but the OP text suggests differently to me.
Well Iran is very much in the spotlight right now. Give it time, and Uzbekistan will also be added to the USA's hitlist.

Disgusting. :mad: Yet, western governments give creedence to these clowns when they claim they are 'gravely offended'. Anyone who could countenance this type of behaviour, much less instigate it, is obviously so inhuman as to preclude it ever being possible to actually offend their sensibilities.

Therefore I call bullshit on the Iranians claims of actually being offended by the cartoons. This type of behaviour prooves that it is nothing but an act.

I also think that if the sentence has not been carried out yet, the west should assemble a strike team to rescue this poor girl.

Cultural relativity has been used in the past to justify blatantly immoral and unethical behavior. I do believe that some cultures are just superior to others. This isn't racial, it's cultural. It has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with practices that don't even aspire to the animalistic. These are the cultures that practice female circumcision, that take 12-year-old boys and publicly circumcise them without anesthetic. They create brutes and brutality and say that God wants it. Peh!

So basically they enjoy the thought of murdering an innocent girl, so they (perhaps unconsciously) use their religion to "justify" this.

i am not a shrink..but i believe with alot of religions..mine included(christian)there is a deep hatred or distrust of women...

i remember the puritans burning witches at the stake in salem...joan of arc was a strong women that challenged male power.

that said...i hate hitlery clinton..so maybe i am guilty as well

I would put my two cents worth in on this subject, however, Iran's bankrupt culture couldn't afford it. :gundge:

This is so disgusting that I really don't know what to say.

In other news, people commit just as bad crimes when trying to fight Muslim influence in politics.

http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/06/uzbek060303.htm
http://archive.muslimuzbekistan.com/eng/ennews/2003/05/ennews13052003.html

Since Uzbekistan is a great friend of the West, it is obvious that all secular governments and people approve of this, and they better start throwing people onto the trash heap of history, or else.


your point?

i honestly dont understand what your getting at.

did i unintentionally offend you or someones sensibilities?

i thought i simply said..hanging a girl for getting raped is absurd and evil.

i dont recall canada or america or most of western europe hanging girls(least not in the last half century)for being victims...i do know we incarcerate the assaulter...or if we were like the mid east folks in charge..just kill them..but no..we just lock em up..the perps that is.

i guess if we just locked the girl up for getting raped..that would be ok...oh ..nevermind..we punish the assaulting party and don't hang/stone/jail the victim.

my bad

again..i miss your point..but i am a bit dense about things that seem obvious..like not hanging girls for getting raped..unless your implying i suuport countries that support the us doing that,and that is insulting beyond words,and i wont dignify that type of twisted logic and blind hatred for my country with a responce.
if you are insinuating..any american would support the hanging of innocent rape victims in the name of religion or political exspedience...you sir..are despicable and a horrid/vapid..close minded jerk.

i will agree my leaders look the other way on genocide and atrocities..as does canada and europe...and russia and anyone with economic gain,but to infer that any average american is not outraged is insipid political capitalising.

the atrocities in sudan and africa horrify me,as does this,and for you to infer that we think it is palatable cause they are our allies..then that is the grossest example of political b.s. partisnship and a disgusting example of hypocracy.

if i miss read your intent..then you have my apologies and i retract my anger...if not..you truly are a petty angry little troll that will justify evil,to mock and gain a foothold on your political enemy.and that sir is bullshit!

and i am not your enemy..even if i am a moderate republican..which i am not.

i am someone that hates to see the weak stepped on..whether here,or in the sudan or in iran.

Well, I'm sold. Send in the marines.

your point?

i honestly dont understand what your getting at.

did i unintentionally offend you or someones sensibilities?

i thought i simply said..hanging a girl for getting raped is absurd and evil.

i dont recall canada or america or most of western europe hanging girls(least not in the last half century)for being victims...i do know we incarcerate the assaulter...or if we were like the mid east folks in charge..just kill them..but no..we just lock em up..the perps that is.

i guess if we just locked the girl up for getting raped..that would be ok...oh ..nevermind..we punish the assaulting party and don't hang/stone/jail the victim.

my bad

again..i miss your point..but i am a bit dense about things that seem obvious..like not hanging girls for getting raped..unless your implying i suuport countries that support the us doing that,and that is insulting beyond words,and i wont dignify that type of twisted logic and blind hatred for my country with a responce.
if you are insinuating..any american would support the hanging of innocent rape victims in the name of religion or political exspedience...you sir..are despicable and a horrid/vapid..close minded jerk.

i will agree my leaders look the other way on genocide and atrocities..as does canada and europe...and russia and anyone with economic gain,but to infer that any average american is not outraged is insipid political capitalising.

the atrocities in sudan and africa horrify me,as does this,and for you to infer that we think it is palatable cause they are our allies..then that is the grossest example of political b.s. partisnship and a disgusting example of hypocracy.

if i miss read your intent..then you have my apologies and i retract my anger...if not..you truly are a petty angry little troll that will justify evil,to mock and gain a foothold on your political enemy.and that sir is bullshit!

and i am not your enemy..even if i am a moderate republican..which i am not.

i am someone that hates to see the weak stepped on..whether here,or in the sudan or in iran.

He's saying that two wrongs make a right. He's wrong of course, but that is the feeling of many on these boards apparently.

Solution: Pay Mossad and Shinbet to pull another Operation: Wrath of God. In Iran.

Here's the lesson, dont mix church and state, an islamic state is a bad idea wherever you come from.

Oh, it is abhorrent, no doubt about that.

I just find it interesting that Iran would always be the matter at hand, while Uzbekistan isn't (except when it comes to the new construction of US bases there).
And ultimately, the title suggests that this is not anti-muslim, but the OP text suggests differently to me.


you really need to take the blinders off of hating the us..i would be equaly disgusted if any country did this..i thought i made that clear?

and i went out of my way,in my title and last lines to spell out..if it was hindu/jew/budhist/muslim/christian..i would be equally disturbed!

yet you have to politicise it?

i have read your responces before,and i respect your opinion,and your balance..however..i think your anti american fervor got the best of you here..i never said..it's ok for uzbekistan to commit atrocities against anyone..especially women.
you did...you implied that if it is in americas interest...we dont care...bullshit.we do care..i know i do...you just are blinded by your rhetoric..you seem to justify this evil if it gives you a chance to jab the us..and that is sad.

equally sad is your attempt to paint me as a rascist..which is very disheartining and unfair!

"And ultimately, the title suggests that this is not anti-muslim, but the OP text suggests differently to me.[/QUOTE

please explain how i suggested differently...i merely stated that any religion..be it...hindu wiccan or whatever...that this is unacceptable in the civilised world!

if i inadvertanly did..news to me..but i will apologise if it came across that way.

i cant see how anyone could argue that hanging rape victims is just a cultural difference...my point was..not muslims..but the religion was stoneage.i know many muslim s that are mortified,and i was aiming at the point that they should try and change that..i know i would if my religion condoned that horror.

now if your point was..we (the us)will use things like that )to attack iran(yet look the other way when our allies do it)..maybe you have a point worth debating...but to blindly accuse me of anti muslim feelings and politicising this for your political gain is pretty shitty.

maybe you are soooo angry at america..you cant look past politics..i can understand that..but please dont paint me as a bigot or worse...ok

Here's the lesson, dont mix church and state

But it makes its own gravy!

If theres a religion that can some how justify this then anything could be justified by this religion. Barbaric is one word that can be used to describe this type of thing, and really it fits.

And thats not Anti-muslim its anit-barbaric bullshit.

If theres a religion that can some how justify this then anything could be justified by this religion. Barbaric is one word that can be used to describe this type of thing, and really it fits.

Pastafarianism justifies all.

If theres a religion that can some how justify this then anything could be justified by this religion. Barbaric is one word that can be used to describe this type of thing, and really it fits.

People once again forget that Islam is not the only religion whose self-proclaimed practioners have committed acts of horrednous barbarism.

People once again forget that Islam is not the only religion whose self-proclaimed practioners have committed acts of horrednous barbarism.

Laugh ...

Laugh laugh laugh ...

Long and Loud and Clear.

Yes ... only Muslims have ever barbarically struck something. Never mind Menachem Begin or the IRA or the Teamsters ...

Yeah ... Muslims hold a lock on it.

Fuck you.

Laugh ...

Laugh laugh laugh ...

Long and Loud and Clear.

Yes ... only Muslims have ever barbarically struck something. Never mind Menachem Begin or the IRA or the Teamsters ...

Yeah ... Muslims hold a lock on it.

Fuck you.

I think that's what he was saying.

I think that's what he was saying.


i know that was what i was saying...i was not singling out islam....i pointed out that christians stoned women for adultery...joan of arc intimidated the male powers to be...on and fuckin on...just it sems that most mainstream religions..kinda woke up and stopped barbarism...yes you can point out the catholic church turned a blind eye towards the slaughter of jews..but that is a far cry from stoning/hanging rape victims.

it was self preservation..not out right hatred and violence towards women..that was the whole point of my thread..there seems to be an inate hatred or underlying of disdain towards women i just dont get?

i think it is a psycho sexual thing..but i am not a shrink.

it was not intended to disparage muslims..as i have pointed out all religions at some point were equally guilty...but islam..NOT...muslims,:confused: seem very slow to get the point...YOU DONT HANG WOMEN FOR BEING RAPED...why is that a controversey?

And thats not Anti-muslim its anit-barbaric bullshit.

thank you..harric...and i went against you on a gun thing..for my own reasons..but at least you are reasonable it seems.

you were a tad wound up on another thread..but then again..i have gone off about things..

no matter..we aparently are on the same page..so thanks..i cant see how anyone can justify ..in this day and age...that horror.:confused:

Its so-called adherents are only using it as an excuse for their barbarism

Every religion has been used as an excuse to commit vile acts at some point or another.

-snip-
He's saying that two wrongs make a right. He's wrong of course, but that is the feeling of many on these boards apparently.
This is a little bit awkward right now, because you are interpreting things into what I posted seemingly randomly.

I am genuinely angry if religious fanatics do things like this, regardless of where they come from.

But I do wonder occasionally why people feel like they need to pick America's "enemy of the day" (tm) for these news items. Bad shit happens everywhere - yet it only validates a thread when it happens in Iran?

I'm talking about the hypocrisy of both the news media and those that pick up on it, no more, no less.

please explain how i suggested differently...
for my opinion to change...the moderate..peaceful muslims best get off their ass and stand up for their beliefs,and toss the fuckin wackjobs into the ashbin of history..or be taken as nothing more then a violent mysgonist's with a thirst for blood and control.
They are! The problem is that everyone listens when there is some sort of nutjob doing something bad, but when Muslims protest it, condemn it, mourn it and all the rest of it, nobody bloody well listens!

I've watched this for a year or so now, and it always happens. So I've come to the conclusion that all this "they need to appologise for/condemn/get rid off extremism" is thinly veiled hatred for a religion people couldn't be bothered to understand.

Laugh ...

Laugh laugh laugh ...

Long and Loud and Clear.

Yes ... only Muslims have ever barbarically struck something. Never mind Menachem Begin or the IRA or the Teamsters ...

Yeah ... Muslims hold a lock on it.

Fuck you.
The 'judge' in this case should be shot.It reminds me of the case in Pakistan where a girl was sentanced to be raped for the 'cirmes' of her brother.The 'judges' are clearly not sane.

By the IRA do you mean the 'irish republican army'?If so their goal is not the promotion of Catholisim as a religion but the unification of the island of Ireland as a soverign nation.In its present guise the concept of a united Ireland has been seen by some as trying to establish a Catholic state but in the past the concept has been suported by many people of different religions.Wolfe Tone one of Irelands most famous figures was a Protestant.The IRA's methods undefendable none the less.

After reading most of these posts, I have to wonder why no one has bothered drawing a distinction between WHO committed the act and WHAT religion / nationality he's associated with? It is a huge distinction, and it is precisely because we fail to make this distinction that so much stupidity in this world occurs. What is anti-American / Muslim sentiment but a bunch of deluded nuts who think all Americans / Muslims are out to get them, just because of the acts of Americans / Muslims in power?

The fact is, one or even many Muslims behaving in a criminal / unethical / immoral / disgusting manner does not make all Muslims criminals, etc. Heck, if I masked all references to the religion in the article, this could easily have turned into a thread on how some men still treat woman like sex objects who should be discarded when tarnished, because it reflects badly on the male owner.

Looking at the larger picture, some might argue, "hey, at least we don't burn property in protest", and use it as evidence that Muslim tend to cause alot of violence in this world. That may appear to be true, but dig a little deeper. Look at the rapes and looting during the New Orleans flooding. Look at the destruction during the French riots last year. Who were those responsible? Usually the politically disenfranchised and the poor - in other words, the desperate who have no recourse other than violence. Are many Muslims politically disenfranchised in a world dominated by Western power? Hell yes. Are many people poor in the Middle East? Yes. So what is the real root of Muslims' violence? Their religion or their material and political circumstances?

I'll say it once and I'll say it again.

And people believe Iran SHOULD have nuclear power...

The Guardian council of Iran and it's puppet government should be killed. Let that country start over and try to get it right this time.

I have a theroy.Now it is just a theory and is open to discussion.Would not the best way of dealing with a state like Iran be to flood it with foreign cash.I mean drown the place with cash.If you have to buy its oil.Give the people a taste for the good life and I think in theory at least they will not put up with these mad men in power.