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The gross overreaction of some Muslims in response to the republication of the Danish cartoons has lead many to believe that all Muslims are extremists. I have just found a site showing the contrary, but unfortunately it is not spectacular enough to make an interesting piece of news, which means you won't be hearing about them on TV or in the newspapers. All you're going to hear (and see) in the media is more distruction and burnings and fanatics.

So while watching all those idiot brainwashed manipulated fanatics on TV, don't forget there are also many sane Muslims, whose voices aren't heard simply because they're not 'interesting' enough.

Da link (http://www.sorrynorwaydenmark.com/).

P.S. Now I know how to say "we are sorry" in Danish and Norwegian. Cool. :)

Ahh... but how do you know that it's the peaceful ones that are the extremists? [j/k] ;)


BTW. that site is already in 4 threads that I know of. any other sites apologizing?

I wish I could stant reading that. But I can't.

Anyhow, it is a good initiative!

I know, I work with them.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467566


It doesn't take too much effort to check someone hasn't already started this thread.

Not all Republicans are assholes, but try telling that to the people at MoveOn.

Not all Republicans are assholes, but try telling that to the people at MoveOn.
Very valid point.

Who says they overreacted?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467566


It doesn't take too much effort to check someone hasn't already started this thread.
But your definition of "too much" is not simmilar with my definition of "too much". ;) Anyway, sorry for the double thread. I've seen that web page only a few minutes ago and thought it was something new. Btw, I tried posting something in the guestbook, but I can't. Anybody else having the same problem?

Yes, agreed. Most Muslims are regular people. It's just the extremists that give them a bad name. I personally am not fond of the Muslim religion, as it does not give women very many rights. I think the Muslims are overreacting to this cartoon though. Tons of cartoons like that have been made against America, and have they reacted like this? No. Muslims like to call everyhting they don't like a "Holy War."

There are extremists in amy religion. In Christianity, in Judaism in Hinudism, in Islam, in Heathenism and in all religions there will always be extremists.

Because the news media want to make some news, they are just targeting the Muslim people because of the war on terror and such.

Apparently all everyone does in Morrocco and Libya is drink coffee and smoke. Thats according to a lad i (sadly) lost touch with called Omar Shtwe... Shter... Ste... i can't spell his surname. Or pronounce it for that matter, but apparently its unpronounceable in our language anyway, which is kinda cool... anyway, my old friend says that the muslims in Morrocco, Algeria, Libya and the like are a completely different race to those in Egypt and the islamic countries to its east. In fact, he was quite adamant in reminding everyone about that :)

There are extremists in amy religion. In Christianity, in Judaism in Hinudism, in Islam, in Heathenism and in all religions there will always be extremists.

Because the news media want to make some news, they are just targeting the Muslim people because of the war on terror and such.

Tis true. Imagine an arab news station interviewing a member of the British National Party or Klu Klux Klan and afterwards saying "...thankyou. There you have it, the voice of the western masses".

Exactly.

I think Islam, at least in Britain as far as I can see, has something of a PR problem. The only time Muslim leaders seem to get on the news is to either condemn someone or to state that their views are not represented by a radical minority. Where are the stories about Imams handing out toys to children or helping the homeless. I admit where I live doesn't have a huge muslim population so that would explain why it isn't in the local news, but otherwise either they're not taking advantage for good publicity or they aren't selling it well enough when they do.

I don't post in General anymore, however when I was perusing my nation, this caught my eye.

I agree whole heartedly. I went to college with a LOT of Muslims. Most of my classes were full of Muslims. (This is because of the major/minor I had, which was Econ/Urban Public Affairs.) Many were sent over to the U.S. to study Urban Studies, and then move back to their country to help with city planning. This was paid for by their gov'ts. (I met a LOT of people from Kuala Lumper.)

These people were so kind and friendly! Some of my classes had more foreign Muslims than Americans. (I had one grad level class, which consisted of 3 Muslims and myself. It was probably my fav. class.) Some were "Americanized", while some were not.

In the classes where we had overnight trips and I was the only female American, they would invite me to have dinner with them and spend the evening with them. (Although I opted to hang out w/the guys, play poker, and get drunk... lol! :D ) Very nice indeed... ALL of them! Not one rad among them. I knew MOST of them on the entire campus, as numerous as they were. I'm not saying there are not radical Muslims.

This is why I become angry when I receive "anti-Muslim" mail, which I receive from intelligent people!

We all know it's crazy to group ALL of any ethnicity, religion, etc., into one group! (Unless it's W's cabinet. ;) )

Every time I hear about some anti-Muslim crime against good, peaceful people, because they are Muslim, I become enraged, thinking of my friends in college. Thank GOD this wasn't going on then. I couldn't stand to see them hurt like that. In fact, I don't KNOW anyone from my university who would stand for it. I believe we would have all stood up for them.

I am not saying there aren't radical Muslims; we all know that's ridiculous. However, to say, "They are all radical, have an Anti-American Agenda, are faking their peacefulness, blah blah blah", is being as ignorant as the KKK.

I didn't read the cartoons. I am just responding to the overwhelming Anti-Muslim hatred that seems to be spreading amongst many people.

This also leads to the question of "profiling", which we know goes on now with blacks. Is it legitimate? Who knows. In a city where statistics show that the majority of people who commit "X" crime are a certain ethnicity, is profiling legit? I don't know... certainly not to the upstanding citizens of all races and religions. I really don't think so, even if we miss a few criminals, we need to respect the rights of the good people of the country. (Border checks and immigration is different, in my opinion, however, this includes EVERYONE, I believe.)

We, as Americans, are losing more and more rights. (Check it... we are.) Our foreign policy is insane (I'm speaking economically right now). Well, hell, so is our domestic policy, but that's another story.

I'm going off on a tangent. It seems that this country is going to hell in a hand basket. :(

Would I want to be a citizen elsewhere? No. I like living here, but a LOT needs changing, which I believe we can all agree on. (Unless you make millions of $ and get huge tax rebates, and are involved in being a minority which owns the majority of a foreign country economically.) :mad:

OK, I'm done with my ranty rant! ;)

Good post, however, I am Canadian.

Good post, however, I am Canadian.
Yeah, it's not like you're from Denmark...

Yeah, it's not like you're from Denmark...


Well I am, and so?

Well I am, and so?
I'm trying to be sarcastic and funny at the same time.

Don't know if you've noticed, but the common theme here on NS General is that the US is the only nation that pisses people off.

Looks like we have some company.

Not that anything that the cartoonists did was wrong - I find nothing wrong with it at all, and find nothing to apologize for.

People ridicule other religions and people daily - why should Islam and Mohammed be any exception?

The gross overreaction of some Muslims in response to the republication of the Danish cartoons has lead many to believe that all Muslims are extremists.

That's frankly untrue. This whole thread is based on a false premise.

That's frankly untrue. This whole thread is based on a false premise.
What's untrue? That some Moslems overreacted or that this reaction has lead many to believe that all Moslems are extremists? Because I think both statements are correct.

Yeah, it's not like you're from Denmark...
No, but Denmark has it in for us for trying to take back Hans Island.

What's untrue? That some Moslems overreacted or that this reaction has lead many to believe that all Moslems are extremists? Because I think both statements are correct.

Nobody thinks that every Muslim is an extremist. Hell, you couldn't talk about an extremist sub-set if you thought something was uniformly extreme. You wouldn't be identified as a specifically "extremist" Muslim, you would just be Muslim; people don't talk about "extremist" Klan members, do they?

Fanatics make only a percent of a fraction of a portion of Muslims.

Nobody thinks that every Muslim is an extremist.
Possibly. However, I've recently (as in, after the Danish cartoons were republished) seen many posts making absolutelly no distinction between Moslem and terrorist/extremist. Maybe those posters were in a hurry and forgot to specify they were only targeting the extremist Moslems in their posts. Or maybe not.

The gross overreaction of some Muslims in response to the republication of the Danish cartoons has lead many to believe that all Muslims are extremists. I have just found a site showing the contrary, but unfortunately it is not spectacular enough to make an interesting piece of news, which means you won't be hearing about them on TV or in the newspapers. All you're going to hear (and see) in the media is more distruction and burnings and fanatics.

So while watching all those idiot brainwashed manipulated fanatics on TV, don't forget there are also many sane Muslims, whose voices aren't heard simply because they're not 'interesting' enough.

Da link (http://www.sorrynorwaydenmark.com/).

P.S. Now I know how to say "we are sorry" in Danish and Norwegian. Cool. :)


Whilst i respect your intentions, i think it would be fairer to post a message saying something along the lines of "Not all human beings are arseholes. but some are". Would sum everything up, and we could all go home for tea.

Here's an interesting article on the causes (perceived and real) of Islamic terrorism.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=3359&page=1

I find it to be interesting that one of the primary causes is

“Perceived Threats to Islam Create Support for Terrorism”
Absolutely. There is tremendous hesitance to admit that Muslim populations, on whose behalf terrorists claim to operate, have grievances or concerns that need to be addressed as a means to minimizing public support for terrorism. For some, this is the moral equivalent of negotiating with terrorism. This is unfortunate, because these grievances matter.

In some countries, including Indonesia, Jordan, Lebanon, Nigeria, Pakistan, and more than 70 percent of the population believes that Islam is under threat. Support for terrorism feeds on the belief that large segments of the Muslim world are victims of ongoing injustice. Some experts argue, with justification, that the perception of threats to Islam is deliberately cultivated by Islamist political groups and authoritarian Muslim governments to generate support for their agenda. But support for terrorism is unlikely to decline without addressing that perception, whether the perception is the product of propaganda or the result of legitimate political grievance.

If the article I linked to is true, then Denmark has done far more damage and incited far more terrorist recruitment than the US has done since 9-11.

Whilst i respect your intentions, i think it would be fairer to post a message saying something along the lines of "Not all human beings are arseholes. but some are". Would sum everything up, and we could all go home for tea.
When I'll see posts saying "all humans are assholes", I'll do what you say. Until now, however, I've only seen posts insulting certain categories (Moslems, Republicans, Democrats, Atheists, Christians etc); of course, the posters did not belong to the category they were insulting. They were better. ;) My purpose was to contradict some of the bigots on this forum. A general statement that "Not all human beings are arseholes, but some are" is too vague. There will always be some people who'll consider that others aren't human enough, so that the above statement does not apply to them.

If the article I linked to is true, then Denmark has done far more damage and incited far more terrorist recruitment than the US has done since 9-11.
I think the article is only partly true. A perceived threat to Islam may indeed create more tensions and encourage people to turn to violent measures. However, a terrorist also needs a good target, and Denmark is simply too minor for that.

I happen to believe that it is true that not all Muslims are not fanatics, however, it really is rapidly becoming irrelevant. Non Muslims can plead their case till hell freezes or their pleas become meaningless (and we're almost there) due to the constant bombardment of political rehetoric demanding that intolerable acts be accepted on the basis of tolerance.
Without active participation in the elimination of the constant and continual acts and threats of violence by the national leadership within the muslim sphere of influence, and those professing to be "peaceful" muslims this situation will be ended in only one way. The chances of this happening are virtually zero if one considers the instigators fueling the flames happen to be the very national leadership of nations such as Syria, Iran and Palestine. What we witness today is simply the prelude to the war to come and at some point one these people will provide the spark to ignite the war that they so desire. No amount of politically correct preaching of "tolerance" or the willingness of a few to sacrifice their, "freedom of speech" to appease the so call sensitivities, of somones religion is going to change that. War is what they want, and this latest round of riots and violence are solely for the purpose of leveraging the weak minded sectors of western civilization that would surrender without a fight.

I think the article is only partly true. A perceived threat to Islam may indeed create more tensions and encourage people to turn to violent measures. However, a terrorist also needs a good target, and Denmark is simply too minor for that.

The target is the West. You'll notice that they weren't too careful which embassy got burned down.

The target is the West. You'll notice that they weren't too careful which embassy got burned down.
That's true. I should have been more clear. I was talking about attacks on Danish soil, a la 9/11. They are quite unlikely.

@ Liverbreath: It is indeed unfortunate that many Moslems are ruled by fanatics and extremists (or people using an extremist discourse because it suits them). A war, however, is not at all inevitable. There have been many instances throughout history of opposing camps which seemed destined to fight eachother and in the end did not (the latest being NATO and the Warsaw Pact). Maybe one of the sides will collapse "unaided", maybe the international situation will change and more serious challenges will apear for both camps... Who knows? Certainly not us, mere mortals. :)

No, but Denmark has it in for us for trying to take back Hans Island.


Aahhh, the old Hans Island trick - well you can have it, if you get us the Vestindian Islands back from USA

Do we have a deal?

I know that all Muslims are not extremists. Hell, I'd bet good money that most think the actions of the past weeks are deplorable.

But by the same light, I am amazed at how a cartoon can cause such anger, resulting in real damage and death.

(Note: I in no way support said cartoon)

Not all Muslims are fanatics...
Nope. Not even the majority of them. And people (rightly) get all kinds of upset when idiots say things like "we need to get rid of Islam".

So how come those same people don't get upset when other idiots say "we need to get rid of guns" when no one even argues that the a significant minority of gun owners are criminal maniacs (much less a majority or all)?"

Amazing.

Nope. Not even the majority of them. And people (rightly) get all kinds of upset when idiots say things like "we need to get rid of Islam".

So how come those same people don't get upset when other idiots say "we need to get rid of guns" when no one even argues that the a significant minority of gun owners are criminal maniacs (much less a majority or all)?"

Amazing.

Alas, the double-standard...

What about the right-wing Christian extremists in the U.S.? Methinks that they would get pretty pissed if any newspaper published something derogatory towards anything Christian. All religious extremism is bad, not just muslim extremism.

What about the right-wing Christian extremists in the U.S.? Methinks that they would get pretty pissed if any newspaper published something derogatory towards anything Christian. All religious extremism is bad, not just muslim extremism.

Hey, you won't be getting ANY argument from me.

I happen to believe that it is true that not all Muslims are not fanatics, however, it really is rapidly becoming irrelevant. Non Muslims can plead their case till hell freezes or their pleas become meaningless (and we're almost there) due to the constant bombardment of political rehetoric demanding that intolerable acts be accepted on the basis of tolerance.
Without active participation in the elimination of the constant and continual acts and threats of violence by the national leadership within the muslim sphere of influence, and those professing to be "peaceful" muslims this situation will be ended in only one way. The chances of this happening are virtually zero if one considers the instigators fueling the flames happen to be the very national leadership of nations such as Syria, Iran and Palestine. What we witness today is simply the prelude to the war to come and at some point one these people will provide the spark to ignite the war that they so desire. No amount of politically correct preaching of "tolerance" or the willingness of a few to sacrifice their, "freedom of speech" to appease the so call sensitivities, of somones religion is going to change that. War is what they want, and this latest round of riots and violence are solely for the purpose of leveraging the weak minded sectors of western civilization that would surrender without a fight.


:eek:

I think the soup won't be eaten as hot as it is served. All the demonstrating going on in Iran for example isn't a sign of war, it's merely the Iranian leadership showing off some riot power and thus trying to divert attention from the diplomatic talks going on about Iran producing enriched uranium. Same goes for Lebanon, where 99% of the arrested protestors/rioters had a Syrian nationality.

It's just a simple fact that the leadership of some more extreme muslim nations are using this event and the anger amongst some of their populace to do some power playing and show this to the whole wide world.