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What faith do you practice? And plz dont be offended if i dont include your faith in the poll, but there is an Other button

None. I do not believe in god.
EDIT: And I do believe Mormom is a part of the Christian religion. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they do believe Jesus was the son of god do they not?

You don't have Asatru or heathenism which is recognized in three countries.

That is the religion I follow along with thousands more. Some respect people.

What faith do you practice? And plz dont be offended if i dont include your faith in the poll, but there is an Other button
Not to show my complete ignorance of world religions but what is Bahai?

Mormons are Christians.

By the way, just a warning, most Mormons consider themselves Chrisitians, and will probably not like being put in a separate category.

Not to show my complete ignorance of world religions but what is Bahai?

It's a religion that combines most of the big world faiths into one system with one God. TG GoodThoughts if you want more details, if he's still around.

Not to show my complete ignorance of world religions but what is Bahai?
you know what im not really sure of that, but i have heard of it and know its out there
one other one i 4got: Jehovas Witnesses, who are CRAZY

I venerate the archetypes of Prometheus and Loki, though I don't use those particular names. I am a Minister of the Church of the SubGenius, but I know "Bob" is in many ways a playful extension of Loki-power, anyway. I was raised Unitarian Universalist; I consider myself a Spiritual 'free agent' of sorts.

My path is my own. There is nothing that stands between myself and what I consider, or rather, what you'd think I considered "God" to be. Nothing. No books, no clergy, no churches, temples, hymns, candles, pews or panes of artfully-arranged bits of coloured glass.

Just me and the Old Man and the Fire.

By the way, just a warning, most Mormons consider themselves Chrisitians, and will probably not like being put in a separate category.
what are the main differences between the two?

vaishnava hindu of sorts. mostly a spiritualist of sorts.

Atheism isn't a faith.

Not to show my complete ignorance of world religions but what is Bahai?
its a mix of a bunch of religons (i think) its got like a million or so followers
i also 4got: Jehova's witnesses who are INSANE i believe

Well, This Thread Is Going To Turn Into a Flame War...

You still forgot Heathenism.

And that is why I will do this:

:mp5:

what are the main differences between the two?
but they arent christians they add on to the bible and at the end of revelatons it warns not to add on or take away from the bible

Damn Christians and Aethiests wait till I get my sword.

Wait, I use that on the evil Wiccans, with their fluffy bunny crap.

So you will get

:mp5:

its a mix of a bunch of religons (i think) its got like a million or so followers
i also 4got: Jehova's witnesses who are INSANE i believe

Jehovah's Witnesses are even more definitely Christian than Mormons. You have them covered.

i dont understand atheism, would an atheist plz explain why they beleive there is not god

one other one i 4got: Jehovas Witnesses, who are CRAZY
That is part of the Christian religion. As Mormon is.

its a mix of a bunch of religons (i think) its got like a million or so followers
i also 4got: Jehova's witnesses who are INSANE i believeagain...Jehova's witnesses are Christians.

but they arent christians they add on to the bible and at the end of revelatons it warns not to add on or take away from the bible
hmmm, but they believe in the same things, right?

but they arent christians they add on to the bible and at the end of revelatons it warns not to add on or take away from the bible

CoffCoff...and Revelations was...?

In any case, strict adherence to the bible is hardly the defining factor of the Christian faith. Catholicism has a huge array of extrabiblical beliefs, and almost no one takes everything in the bible literally.

:headbang:

No one has still said anything about Heathenism/Asatru,

we did control you people once before.

i dont understand atheism, would an atheist plz explain why they beleive there is not god
Because we (at least myself) believe that "God" is a human construction made to explain things we can not yet explain. That's the short version anyway.

would an atheist plz explain why they beleive there is not godWhy do you believe there is a God?

save it... This is about Faith/Religion... There is nothing to understand.

Jehovah's Witnesses are even more definitely Christian than Mormons. You have them covered.
Jehovas Witnesses:
Predicted the end of the world in 1975, and 1978
Dont celebrate any holiday except easter
Dont accept medical attention
They are just a little strange to me, no fun at all without christmas, birthday, and thanksgiving. That would just be so strange to me

:headbang:

No one has still said anything about Heathenism/Asatru,

we did control you people once before.

Sorry, but you're one of the smaller religions currently. Just for curiosity, don't take this as offensive as it sounds, what is the difference between you and Wicca?

Well what about the many god religions like Asatru/Heathenism, or the ones with animal gods? How do you explain that?

Why do you believe there is a God?

save it... This is about Faith/Religion... There is nothing to understand.
but what created all matter?

Jehovas Witnesses:
Predicted the end of the world in 1975, and 1978
Dont celebrate any holiday except easter
Dont accept medical attention
They are just a little strange to me, no fun at all without christmas, birthday, and thanksgiving. That would just be so strange to me
I doubt that people make religions so they can have fun and a bunch of holidays. There is normally some belief system behind them.

Jehovas Witnesses:
Predicted the end of the world in 1975, and 1978
Dont celebrate any holiday except easter
Dont accept medical attention
They are just a little strange to me, no fun at all without christmas, birthday, and thanksgiving. That would just be so strange to me

They are strange, frankly. Every religon has its weirdos on the side, in the case of Christianity there are shitloads of them.

CoffCoff...and Revelations was...?

In any case, strict adherence to the bible is hardly the defining factor of the Christian faith. Catholicism has a huge array of extrabiblical beliefs, and almost no one takes everything in the bible literally.
i take the end of revelations very literally

Less than 1% of people in the world are Jews and more than 19% are Muslims, yet there are no Muslims here and 2 Jews (at the time of this posting)? How disproportionate.

I doubt that people make religions so they can have fun and a bunch of holidays. There is normally some belief system behind them.
their belief is that those celebrations put something ahead of god

Sorry, but you're one of the smaller religions currently. Just for curiosity, don't take this as offensive as it sounds, what is the difference between you and Wicca?

Wicca, does little spells and such, and get naked and run around the woods. They are like hippies with long hair and go naked through the woods believing they can smite people.

Now Asatru, we are from the Vikings, now we wear long hair and beards usually, but not all. We are a warrior culture, and we believe in Valhalla. So, we get our swords and go out and slaughter the nakes Wicca people. Just kidding.

But that is basically the difference, we both have many gods, but they are peaceful while we were actually a religion and we are more war-like.

but what created all matter?

Does something need to? More importantly, why are you hijacking your own thread?

They are strange, frankly. Every religon has its weirdos on the side, in the case of Christianity there are shitloads of them.
Mainly because Christianity has so many sects within itself and is cracked and twisted by people with new ideas about how to interpret the Bible. This comes from a lack of early and current leadership in the church, other religions tended to have strict rules, an interpretation accepted by the entire church, and/or good leadership in the early and modern years.

i take the end of revelations very literally

Good for you. I just find it a little hypocritical that a late addition to the bible says that the bible cannot be added to. It can be rationalized, but it does seem kind of weaselly.

Mainly because Christianity has so many sects within itself and is cracked and twisted by people with new ideas about how to interpret the Bible. This comes from a lack of early and current leadership in the church, other religions tended to have strict rules, an interpretation accepted by the entire church, and/or good leadership in the early and modern years.
hear hear

Still Asatru is the best religion, many gods, getting to go to Valhalla, getting a suckling pig every day if you fie in battle, and most Christian holidays were stolen from us.

Give me back Christmas you *censored* censored*

but what created all matter?your answer will likely be different than mine...

WARNING: I hereby advice you NOT to tell me what your answer is(whatever it is)..
also consider yourself adviced NOT to explain me why you believe whatever you believe. -©OceanD-

thank you.

Does something need to? More importantly, why are you hijacking your own thread?
yes someting needs to, things dont just happen there has to be a driving force "There is no action without an equal and opposite reaction"

Wicca, does little spells and such, and get naked and run around the woods. They are like hippies with long hair and go naked through the woods believing they can smite people.

Now Asatru, we are from the Vikings, now we wear long hair and beards usually, but not all. We are a warrior culture, and we believe in Valhalla. So, we get our swords and go out and slaughter the nakes Wicca people. Just kidding.

But that is basically the difference, we both have many gods, but they are peaceful while we were actually a religion and we are more war-like.

So does your religion trace itself directly back to the Vikings? I.E., were there actually Asatru ever since the conversion of the rest of Scandainavia, or is this a modern resurgence?

Still Asatru is the best religion, many gods, getting to go to Valhalla, getting a suckling pig every day if you fie in battle, and most Christian holidays were stolen from us.

Give me back Christmas you *censored* censored*
i declare you INSANE

Damn Christians and Aethiests wait till I get my sword.

Wait, I use that on the evil Wiccans, with their fluffy bunny crap.

So you will get

:mp5:
You And Me, My Wicca Thread, NOW. Read It All. You Will Understand, It's Not All 13 Year Old Girls Looking For Something To Be Different. I Am Not Wicca, But I Most Definetly Appreciate Religious Tolerance.

Belong to?

I belong to Allah. Nothing else.

I practise Islam - though some say I'm not very good at it.

Mormons are Christians. mormans arnt christians they dont believe jesus was the son of god

Perhaps the term Christian should not be understood offensively. For instance, that which is orthodox Christianity can be defined as adherence to the Ecunemical Creeds, which include the Apostles and the Nicene Creed.
That is a designation that reflects their beliefs.

Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons do not share those beliefs, they could call themselves followers of Jesus or whatever, but just for the sake of clarity, a designation needs to be used that differenciates them from so-called mainstream, Christianity.
That is, if they wish to claim the title of Christian, which simply means, "Follower of Christ" so be it. But it must be understood that the three groups are different religions, not different aspects of the same one.
It comes down to the nature of Christ himself, Mormons have their view that Jesus is a completely seperate entity from God the Father, Jehovah's witnesses believe that he is the Archangel Micheal, and Mainstream Christianity teaches that he is, "True God and True Man, the only begotten son of God, begotten, not made." Which is codifed in the word Trinity or more carefully in the Greek homousious.

Tsar Wingert teh Great.

Buddhism, baby.

Less than 1% of people in the world are Jews and more than 19% are Muslims, yet there are no Muslims here and 2 Jews (at the time of this posting)? How disproportionate.
Less Than One Percent Of The World Jewish? Where'd You Get That? It's More Like, 25 Percent (Give Or Take). Same With Muslims. Bout 25 Percent.

yes someting needs to, things dont just happen there has to be a driving force "There is no action without an equal and opposite reaction"

A. Wrong Newtonian principle.
B. You're hijacking your own thread, as I said before. Why?
C. The real response: there are a number of sources scientists consider for our universe's matter. One of the simplest is that it came from the remains of the previous universe. Others involve the way that quantum theory allows matter to randomly spring up in vacuum, for example. In any case, your issue seems to be more an origin to causality. The question is, why does causality have to have an origin? The universe, in one form or another, could have existed forever. That's not to say there wasn't a beginning of time, just not a beginning of causality.

mormans arnt christians they dont believe jesus was the son of godI usually try to avoid religion debate..

I trust someone will take care of your "incomplete knowledge"

are there any Devil worshippers here?

So does your religion trace itself directly back to the Vikings? I.E., were there actually Asatru ever since the conversion of the rest of Scandainavia, or is this a modern resurgence?

Now Iceland was never fully colonized by Christian forces, and there was Asatru back in the 19th century in Germany. So, some claim that it never ended. However, i think the American, Canadian version is a new version of trying to include Asatru with other things.

Also, why wouldn't anyone want a suckling pig it says so in our Sagas.

And finally, now, I agree that Wicca isn't for 13-year-olds. it is for old people and young people who believe in fluffy bunny stuff. They truly do. But that is okay, they can believe what they want. However I can still do :mp5:

are there any Devil worshippers here?
Ugh... Now The Flame War Will Begin, Right, About, NOW!

Less Than One Percent Of The World Jewish? Where'd You Get That? It's More Like, 25 Percent (Give Or Take). Same With Muslims. Bout 25 Percent.

Unless that was sarcasm, you're seriously deluded. There are many, many more Muslims than Jews.

Less Than One Percent Of The World Jewish? Where'd You Get That? It's More Like, 25 Percent (Give Or Take). Same With Muslims. Bout 25 Percent.

Actually, 2%.

13 million (rounded today) / 6 billion (total population) = 2.1%

Christianity: 2.1 billion (Including JW and Mormons)

Islam: 1.3 billion

Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion

Hinduism: 900 million

Chinese traditional religion: 394 million

Buddhism: 376 million

primal-indigenous: 300 million

African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million

Sikhism: 23 million

Juche: 19 million

Spiritism: 15 million

Judaism: 14 million

Baha'i: 7 million

Jainism: 4.2 million

Shinto: 4 million

Cao Dai: 4 million

Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million

Tenrikyo: 2 million

Neo-Paganism: 1 million

Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand

Rastafarianism: 600 thousand

Scientology: 500 thousand

Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons do not share those beliefs...so what.. they are still Christians.. They are members of Christianity..
plz don't start that "I am holier than thou" crap..

You do not hold a Copyright in the "Christian" words.... Do you?

Christianity is not an exclusive club.

clearly christianity is the only true religion its quite clear. Christianity is the only religion and all others are false. all these sick liberals in here are insane and should probably be executed if i were in charge of things. abortion is an abomanation. wicca is a bunch of crazy stupid girls mainly who are stupid and want to be special.....your alll crazy..

Ugh... Now The Flame War Will Begin, Right, About, NOW!

Very few people really have a problem with Devil worshippers unless they have a problem with Wicca, and the Wicca stuff here is hardly a flamewar. Satanists are basically a particularly free-spirited brand of secular humanism with some Goth overtones.

Scientology: 500 thousand

That's 500,000 too many. *shudder*

clearly christianity is the only true religion its quite clear. Christianity is the only religion and all others are false. all these sick liberals in here are insane and should probably be executed if i were in charge of things. abortion is an abomanation. wicca is a bunch of crazy stupid girls mainly who are stupid and want to be special.....your alll crazy..
Ok, I Correct Myself. NOW The Flame War Begins. And About The Jewish Population, That's What My 7th Grade History Book Said, 25 Percent.

someone asked about Bahai:
Babi & Baha'i faiths: At least 98% of the adherents of the Babi & Baha'i faiths belong to the same church/denomination/religious body, the Baha'i World Faith (or simply "Baha'i Faith") with headquarters in Haifa, Israel. One might think that this should make Baha'i records fairly straightforward and easily obtainable. But statistical practices differ in each country and figures are not always released to the public. Most recent published estimates of the world Baha'i population are about 6.5 million. This is the figure provided in current Baha'i publications. A recent, updated estimate in the 1998 Encyclopedia Britannica is reportedly 7.67 million, higher than any Baha'i-provided figure we have seen. The accuracy of all of these figures is difficult to determine, and the organization does not provide a breakdown of membership data for each country.

As with most religious groups, organizationally reported adherent counts include significant numbers of nominal members, or people who no longer actively participate, yet still identify themselves as adherents. There are valid arguments that some of the "mass conversions" have resulted in adherents with little or no acculturation into the new religious system. As is typical with a religious group made up primarily of converts, Baha'is who drift from active participation in the movement are less likely to retain nominal identification with the religion -- because it was not the religion of their parents or the majority religion of the surrounding culture. On the other hand, there are no countries in which people are automatically assigned to the Baha'i Faith at birth (as is the case with Islam, Christianity, Shinto, Buddhism, and other faiths), so their numbers aren't inflated with people who have never willingly participated in or been influenced by the religion while adults.

On balance, while official Baha'i figures are not a measure of active participants, the proportion of participating adherents among claimed adherents is thought to be higher than average among the "major religions" on this list. The Baha'i community is remarkably active and influential in religious matters on both global and local levels, especially given their relatively small numbers compared to some other religions

Very few people really have a problem with Devil worshippers unless they have a problem with Wicca, and the Wicca stuff here is hardly a flamewar. Satanists are basically a particularly free-spirited brand of secular humanism with some Goth overtones.
No No No. I Mean By Lexington Giving That Remark In An Almost Sarcastic Tone Of.... Type. You Can Just Tell He's.... Typing It With Hate. I Could Be Wrong, But That's What I Think.

clearly christianity is the only true religion its quite clear. Christianity is the only religion and all others are false. all these sick liberals in here are insane and should probably be executed if i were in charge of things. abortion is an abomanation. wicca is a bunch of crazy stupid girls mainly who are stupid and want to be special.....your alll crazy..
Agreed

clearly christianity is the only true religion its quite clear. Christianity is the only religion and all others are false. all these sick liberals in here are insane and should probably be executed if i were in charge of things. abortion is an abomanation. wicca is a bunch of crazy stupid girls mainly who are stupid and want to be special.....your alll crazy..

Where is my sword.

clearly christianity is the only true religion its quite clear. Christianity is the only religion and all others are false. all these sick liberals in here are insane and should probably be executed if i were in charge of things. abortion is an abomanation. wicca is a bunch of crazy stupid girls mainly who are stupid and want to be special.....your alll crazy..Actually Jewish-ism is the only true religion its quite clear. Judaism is the only religion and all others are false. all these sick liberals in here are insane and should probably be executed if i were in charge of things. abortion is an abomanation. wicca is a bunch of crazy stupid girls mainly who are stupid and want to be special.....your alll crazy..

clearly christianity is the only true religion its quite clear. Christianity is the only religion and all others are false. all these sick liberals in here are insane and should probably be executed if i were in charge of things. abortion is an abomanation. wicca is a bunch of crazy stupid girls mainly who are stupid and want to be special.....your alll crazy..
You are trying to ignite a flame war, but I'm going to take the higher ground and just consider you to be blinded by your own beliefs and intolerance.

No No No. I Mean By Lexington Giving That Remark In An Almost Sarcastic Tone Of.... Type. You Can Just Tell He's.... Typing It With Hate. I Could Be Wrong, But That's What I Think.
i asked because devil worshipping is interesting. do they beleive they get a "special" seat in Hell?

but what created all matter?

I don't know and neither do you.

(Spoken like a true Unitarian Universalist.):cool:

It is nearly impossible to objectively state how many religions currently exist in the world, but there are almost certainly more than four thousand.

According to wikipedia: "Major world religions have been distinguished from minor religions using a variety of methods, though any such division naturally reflects a particular bias, since many adherents of a religion are likely to consider their own faith "major". Two methods are mentioned in this article, number of adherents and the definitions used by classical scholars of religions..."

Basically, there are tons of religions and it's bloody hard to decide which handfull goes on a list. The easiest way is to choose the largest ones or the ones most commonly known.

The list of the fourteen <i>largest</i> religions is as follows:

Christianity 2.1 billion
Islam 1.3 billion
Secular/Irreligious/Agnostic/Atheist 1.1 billion
Hinduism 900 million
Chinese folk religion 394 million
Buddhism 376 million (see also Buddhism by country)
Primal indigenous 300 million
African traditional and diasporic 100 million
Sikhism 23 million
Juche 19 million
Spiritism 15 million
Judaism 14 million
Mormonism 12 million
Bahá'í Faith 7 million

The author of this thread did not list fourteen, and couldn't have been expected to. S/he certainly couldn't have been expected to list all four thousand. S/he didn't necessarily list the largest ones, but probably the ones that came most quickly to mind, and unless your religion is more larger than the ones mentioned by the thread author, I'd say it's understandable that s/he did not have room to include it.

Also, I believe it worth mentioning that while Mormons do believe in Jesus as the Messiah, they also believe in the Israelites as a covenant people and follow the Book of Mormon, whereas Christians follow the Bible. They are considered by themselves, Christians, census groups and religious scholars to be a seperate religion from Christianity.

But I believe that when you get down to it, the author of the thread did not spend a year and a half trying to be politically correct or academically rigorous with his/her question. I think s/he just wanted information.

There's an other button, there's a disclaimer and apology posted to anyone who wasn't mentioned.

So like, relax.

No No No. I Mean By Lexington Giving That Remark In An Almost Sarcastic Tone Of.... Type. You Can Just Tell He's.... Typing It With Hate. I Could Be Wrong, But That's What I Think.

Makes sense for Lexington, but no-one took the bait. He's going to have to try harder.

A better question would be, where are the Reformed Huitzilapotlists?

Judaism represents .22% o fthe population

Ok, I'm Just Going To Leave This Thread Now. I Can See A Massive Bonfire In The Distance, And It Is Approching FAST.

Is this just a thread to shove a dying religion down everyone's throat.

Look what Christianity did

Killed off the indigenous people of the New World.

Was responsible for the Holocaust, the Crusades, trying to destroy my religion which they lost horribly, we are still here.

So, as Christianity slowly dies I just sit and laugh.

clearly christianity is the only true religion its quite clear. Christianity is the only religion and all others are false. all these sick liberals in here are insane and should probably be executed if i were in charge of things. abortion is an abomanation. wicca is a bunch of crazy stupid girls mainly who are stupid and want to be special.....your alll crazy..

Hello, meester Nazi.

clearly christianity is the only true religion its quite clear. Christianity is the only religion and all others are false. all these sick liberals in here are insane and should probably be executed if i were in charge of things. abortion is an abomanation. wicca is a bunch of crazy stupid girls mainly who are stupid and want to be special.....your alll crazy..

I want to reply to this, but it almost sounds satiric. Are you serious or just having fun with the radical believers?

Makes sense for Lexington, but no-one took the bait. He's going to have to try harder.

A better question would be, where are the Reformed Huitzilapotlists?
i asked because devil worshipping is interesting. do they beleive they get a "special" seat in Hell?

Judaism represents .22% o fthe population

of New York?

clearly christianity is the only true religion its quite clear. Christianity is the only religion and all others are false. all these sick liberals in here are insane and should probably be executed if i were in charge of things. abortion is an abomanation. wicca is a bunch of crazy stupid girls mainly who are stupid and want to be special.....your alll crazy..

You should have been aborted.

Is this just a thread to shove a dying religion down everyone's throat.

Look what Christianity did

Killed off the indigenous people of the New World.

Was responsible for the Holocaust, the Crusades, trying to destroy my religion which they lost horribly, we are still here.

So, as Christianity slowly dies I just sit and laugh.
christianity will never die

i asked because devil worshipping is interesting. do they beleive they get a "special" seat in Hell?

Like I said earlier, most modern Satanists are basically particularly individualistic secular humanists. They don't even necessarily believe in Hell. For the ones who do, I would expect they either view it as actually heaven or they expect some sort of power/pleasure in the next life.

of New York?
look it up....
and why did you say New York?

Was responsible for the Holocaust

Hitler nor the head guys of the SS were Christian. They were some kind of neo-pagans that worshipped a weird race of people known as the aryans and were all into mythology and alien shit...Look it up if you dont beleive me.

That holocaust had NOTHING to do with Christianity.

look it up....
and why did you say New York?

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/jewpop.html

14.5 million Jewish people in the world, 6 billion people total... Sounds like a lot less than 22 percent. Maybe 2.2 percent.

(And I think it's hilarious that there's an estimated one Jewish person in the entirety of Afghanistan. That poor Jew.)

Hitler nor the head guys of the SS were Christian. They were some kind of neo-pagans that worshipped a weird race of people known as the aryans and were all into mythology and alien shit...Look it up if you dont beleive me.

That holocaust had NOTHING to do with Christianity.

Not directly, though some would argue that the anti-Jew fervor was mostly cultivated during the previous centuries of Christian rule. It's debatable, and rather irrelevant to this thread.

Hitler nor the head guys of the SS were Christian. They were some kind of neo-pagans that worshipped a weird race of people known as the aryans and were all into mythology and alien shit...Look it up if you dont beleive me.

That holocaust had NOTHING to do with Christianity.

Really? Then why did they use "The Jews killed Jesus" as an excuse?

Hitler nor the head guys of the SS were Christian. They were some kind of neo-pagans that worshipped a weird race of people known as the aryans and were all into mythology and alien shit...Look it up if you dont beleive me.Germany was/is mostly Christian..

So It is safe to assume that Hitler and the German Generals were Chrisitians too.

all that pagan/alien garbage is probably made up by some dumb Christians trying to rewrite history.

look it up....
and why did you say New York?

Dunno ... just came to mind... lots of Jews in New York.

I ask because you said 22% ... that can't be the world.

I guessed it was a typo of 2.2% and made a silly remark to make you re-examine your post. ;)

Ok, Last Post On This Thread. The Nazis Were Not Christian. They Were Pagans. They Worshipped Tutonic Gods. They Believe The Aryans Were Something Of Godly Desendants. Watch The History Channel Special On The Nazi Religion, And You'll Know What I Mean. Hitler Made Up A Religion In His Syphillis Ridden Mind And People Believed It. They Killed Jews Because They Believed Them "Unpure" And "Not Fit To Live In An Aryan Society"

Germany was/is mostly Christian..

So It is safe to assume that Hitler and the German Generals were Chrisitians too.

all that pagan and allien shit is probably made up by some Christians trying to rewrite history.

Germany was/is mostly Protestant, so by your logic it would be safe to assume that Hitler and his generals were Protestant. Except that Hitler claimed to be a good Catholic.

Hitler nor the head guys of the SS were Christian. They were some kind of neo-pagans that worshipped a weird race of people known as the aryans and were all into mythology and alien shit...Look it up if you dont beleive me.

That holocaust had NOTHING to do with Christianity.

This is brainwashing rewritting history crap.

They were not Heathens, Pagans, or Asatru people.

They were down right Christian murderers. Prove to me that they weren't. Germany at the time was Christian, it is not like they changed the religion of Germany, they couldn't.

Really? Then why did they use "The Jews killed Jesus" as an excuse?

Umm...let me think...maybe as propaganda to rally up hatred against the Jews and make their job easier, for starters?

Ok, Last Post On This Thread. The Nazis Were Not Christian. They Were Pagans. They Worshipped Tutonic Gods. They Believe The Aryans Were Something Of Godly Desendants. Watch The History Channel Special On The Nazi Religion, And You'll Know What I Mean. Hitler Made Up A Religion In His Syphillis Ridden Mind And People Believed It. They Killed Jews Because They Believed Them "Unpure" And "Not Fit To Live In An Aryan Society"I wonder what kind of sources you have on this..

Is this just a thread to shove a dying religion down everyone's throat.
No, but that's just because everyone is ignoring your desperate attempts to make this thread about Asartu.
Look what Christianity did
And all over the rug too.
Killed off the indigenous people of the New World.
Wait a second here. The CIA claims that about 3.5 million people in the US are of native (indeginous) descent, but how is that possible of Christianity killed them all?
Someone here is lying.
Oh, and since when were "Christianity" and "Small Pox" synonymous terms?
Was responsible for the Holocaust, the Crusades, trying to destroy my religion which they lost horribly, we are still here.
So you're a Gay Jewish Muslism now?
How odd.
So, as Christianity slowly dies I just sit and laugh.
The People's of the Book (Islam, Christianity, and Judaism) are going nowhere, unlike recent "retro" religion fads, they've wheathered the worst that pagans, atheists, and each other could do to them, and they continue to grow.

And I worship the human potential for destruction and power. I don't need some mouldy old god to follow, but instead focus my "faith" into embodiments of this ability (The atomic bomb, the skyscraper, etc.)

Is this just a thread to shove a dying religion down everyone's throat.

Look what Christianity did

Killed off the indigenous people of the New World.

Was responsible for the Holocaust, the Crusades, trying to destroy my religion which they lost horribly, we are still here.

So, as Christianity slowly dies I just sit and laugh.

Christianity is still by far the largest religion in the world.

Furthermore, Christianity is a religion, a conglomeration of individuals. It is not an entity. It is not capable of actions. It is not capable of morality or immorality or amorality. It is not capable of life, or of death. It can do nothing, it can try to do nothing. It does not have will.

When defined as a group, it is capable of influence. It may have influence upon individuals, who may then commit moral or immoral actions.

When defined as an idea, it may be classified as moral or immoral.

So probably you mean 'Christian people' etc etc etc.

In terms of death, the issue of whether Christianity still exists or is merely an echo and a perversion of its former glory is a controversial issue, but the group calling themselves Christian is a very large one, and it is incredibly unlike that, barring the destruction of humanity, this group will entirely cease to be within your lifetime.

Ok, Last Post On This Thread. The Nazis Were Not Christian. They Were Pagans. They Worshipped Tutonic Gods. They Believe The Aryans Were Something Of Godly Desendants. Watch The History Channel Special On The Nazi Religion, And You'll Know What I Mean. Hitler Made Up A Religion In His Syphillis Ridden Mind And People Believed It. They Killed Jews Because They Believed Them "Unpure" And "Not Fit To Live In An Aryan Society"
You might need another one :p
They were both. I agree that they definitely were not pure Christians, and they had their own warped religion. But Hitler and his generals were originally Christians. They slowly shifted more towards the created "Nazi" but never seemed to lose that Christianity fully. Look at Hitler's speeches. He mentions a Christian type god many many times, even in the later years.

I wonder what kind of sources you have on this..
In The Post, The History Channel. And If That Isn't A Reliable Source, Then I'm God.

This is brainwashing rewritting history crap.

They were not Heathens, Pagans, or Asatru people.

They were down right Christian murderers. Prove to me that they weren't. Germany at the time was Christian, it is not like they changed the religion of Germany, they couldn't.

German citizens were Protestant in the north and Catholic in the south, still are. But, the Nazi implemented a new religion, a worship of the aryan who was somewhat godly and alein...different than the rest of the races. There was even a Nazi search of Atlantis off the coast of Norway, because they beleived it to be the birthplace of the Aryans...look it up..its all true, I swear.

This is brainwashing rewritting history crap.

They were not Heathens, Pagans, or Asatru people.

They were down right Christian murderers. Prove to me that they weren't. Germany at the time was Christian, it is not like they changed the religion of Germany, they couldn't.

They pacified the people with Christianity (though Catholicism, oddly enough: not the most common in Germany), but they themselves were more fucked up than that. They did use Christianity to justify their crimes, but not necessarily to motivate them. It's a fine distinction.

Hello, meester Nazi.

Technically, Godwin's law.

On the other hand, I sort of may have been thinking the same thing.

You might need another one :p
They were both. I agree that they definitely were not pure Christians, and they had their own warped religion. But Hitler and his generals were originally Christians. They slowly shifted more towards the created "Nazi" but never seemed to lose that Christianity fully. Look at Hitler's speeches. He mentions a Christian type god many many times, even in the later years.

Maybe he did that to appeal to his voters :eek:

Hitler and the head nazis were NOT christian....

Okay, seriously, Nazi debates?

Godwin's Law on this entire thread, now.

I don't know if you guys have heard of that or intend to follow it, but I have and do, so, ta.

Germany was/is mostly Christian..

So It is safe to assume that Hitler and the German Generals were Chrisitians too.

all that pagan/alien garbage is probably made up by some dumb Christians trying to rewrite history.

German people are Christians, but the Nazis werent..look it up.

By the way, just a warning, most Mormons consider themselves Chrisitians, and will probably not like being put in a separate category.

That's a little difficult. On one hand, yes, Mormons are Christians in the purist sense of the word: they believe in Christ, his divinity, the infallibility of his teachings, etc. However, they often like being put in a seperate category, as long as you recognize that they are still Christian.

you know what im not really sure of that, but i have heard of it and know its out there
one other one i 4got: Jehovas Witnesses, who are CRAZY


That would fall under Christian

Jehova = Jesus's name when he was on earth.

They were down right Christian murderers. Prove to me that they weren't. Germany at the time was Christian, it is not like they changed the religion of Germany, they couldn't.they were Christian and some of them were murderers..

But using the expression "Christian murderers" could be interpreted as an isult...
It would be like me saying "stupid raëlists"... It would be uncalled for.. even if I can 100% prove that there is 3 stupid persons in that non-exiting Country/Religion.

Maybe he did that to appeal to his voters :eek:

Hitler and the head nazis were NOT christian....
Extremely flawed logic. Using that I could just as easily say this (which is insanely stupid BTW):
Hitler was really a Jew. He just used anti-Jewish policy and actions to get votes.
See how flawed that logic is when it is given on the extreme level?

they were Christian and some of them were murderers..

But using the expresion "Christian murderers" is a genralization... It would be like me saying "stupid Yugoslavians"... It would be uncalled for.. even if I can 100% prove that there is 3 stupid persons in that non-exiting Country.

The head Nazis WERE NOT Christian.

Look it up!!

I am a Me-ist.

Isn't that all that really matters?

To me, naming a religion is branding it with a stereotype.

I read the thoughts of great thinkers such as Gotma Buddha, Confucious, Ben Franklin and some Principia Discordia to draw a deeper conclusion on what I already believe.



:sniper: -Redsylvania

Extremely flawed logic. Using that I could just as easily say this (which is insanely stupid BTW):
Hitler was really a Jew. He just used anti-Jewish policy and actions to get votes.
See how flawed that logic is when it is given on the extreme level?

No, that doesnt make sense. He and Himmler made a new religion...an Aryan focussed one...they were NOT Christian, yet his voters were Christian. Instead of arguing with me about YOU being wrong, just look it up.

Whoa, it's like Christians, then Atheists, then other, hmmmm....

This is brainwashing rewritting history crap.

They were not Heathens, Pagans, or Asatru people.
A lot of the Nazi justification for the superiority of the Aryan race was based off of the same romanticization of the Norse/Viking peoples that you are engaging in.
So, yeah, Odin is every bit to blaim for the Holocaust as Jesus.

No, that doesnt make sense. He and Himmler made a new religion...an Aryan focussed one...they were NOT Christian, yet his voters were Christian. Instead of arguing with me about YOU being wrong, just look it up.
Once again, it is easy to destroy that agruement:
He and Himmler weren't against Jews, they made up a set of ideals that made them like everyone on earth. And yet, the German voters were opposed to Jews.
Instead of agruing against me with obviously flawed logic and then avoiding my statement about the flaw by just restating what you said before, just respond to me and admit the obvious and blatant flaw in your agruement.

Once again, it is easy to destroy that agruement:
He and Himmler weren't against Jews, they made up a set of ideals that made them like everyone on earth. And yet, the German voters were opposed to Jews.
Instead of agruing against me with obviously flawed logic and then avoiding my statement about the flaw by just restating what you said before, just respond to me and admit the obvious and blatant flaw in your agruement.

Dude, your being an idiot...and if you dont look it up I'm gonna have to put my homework down and actually find it for you. Theres nothing to argue about, I'm right, your wrong. JUST LOOK IT UP!

German people are Christians, but the Nazis werent..look it up.this site tries to answer the Hitler question..

http://christiancadre.org/topics/hitler.html

I got it from here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

Wikipedia: The neutrality of this article is disputed. (probably the same can be said about all sources)

this site tries to answer the Hitler question..

http://christiancadre.org/topics/hitler.html
Listen Man, That Website Is Bull. Hitler Was PAGAN.

Whoa, it's like Christians, then Atheists, then other, hmmmm....

other might contain a few atheists who don't like the fact the title doesn't include "or lack thereof" even though it's pretty obvious.

this site tries to answer the Hitler question..

http://christiancadre.org/topics/hitler.html

I got it from here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

Wikipedia: The neutrality of this article is disputed. (probably the same can be said about all sources)

From your website.....

Hitler recognized that the Church, and Christianity as a whole, was not an immediate threat to his plans. He believed in his German Aryan God, which was supposedly the thought path that began his Aryan supremacy goals. Most Pagan Gods or Goddesses are not blonde haired and blue eyed (many aren't even portrayed as a material entity at all).

Hitler was neither Pagan nor Christian. He did, however, attempt to "preach" Pagan ideas, hoping to attract Pagans to his side and believing they would be more receptive to his slaughters. He was wrong, and Pagans of the time were just as repulsed as the rest of the world.

Take from that what you want, but he was obviously no Christian.

Again, being born a Christian does not make you a Christian, you actually have to beleive in the religion.

Nazi mysticism

Thule Society emblemNazi mysticism is a term used to describe a philosophical undercurrent of Nazism which denotes the combination of Nazism with occultism, esotericism, cryptohistory, and/or the paranormal. The esoteric Thule Society and Germanenorden were secret societies which while only a small part of the Völkisch movement, led into the Nazi party.[1]

Dietrich Eckart, a member of Thule actually coached Hitler on his public speaking skills, and while Hitler has not been shown to have been a member of Thule, he recieved support from the group. Hitler later dedicated Mein Kampf to Eckart.


Nazi mysticism, however, plays a major role in some forms of contemporary Nazism, with a mythology including such ideas as interdimensional vril-powered UFO's, hyperborean supermen, and a nazi moon base, along with the more widely known tale of Hitler having escaped to the Antartic.


Hyperboreans consistently play a large role in Nazi, neo-nazi, and proto-nazi mysticism.

Miguel Serrano was a Chilean diplomat and major proponent of Esoteric Hitlerism. He believed that Hitler fled to Shambhala, an underground centre in Antarctica after World War II (formerly at the North Pole and Tibet), where he was in contact with the Hyperborean gods and from whence he would someday emerge with a fleet of UFOs to lead the forces of light (the Hyperboreans, sometimes associated with Vril) over the forces of darkness (inevitably including, for Serrano, the Jews) in a last battle and inaugurating a Fourth Reich. He also connected the Aryans and their Hyperborean gods to the Sun and the Allies and the Jews to the Moon.

Julius Evola believed Hyperboreans were Nordic supermen, originating in the north pole. He felt they had a crucial hand in the founding of Atlantis.

here is the Hitler page.. It is very long.. lots of stuff

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler

From your website.....

Hitler recognized that the Church, and Christianity as a whole, was not an immediate threat to his plans. He believed in his German Aryan God, which was supposedly the thought path that began his Aryan supremacy goals. Most Pagan Gods or Goddesses are not blonde haired and blue eyed (many aren't even portrayed as a material entity at all).

Hitler was neither Pagan nor Christian. He did, however, attempt to "preach" Pagan ideas, hoping to attract Pagans to his side and believing they would be more receptive to his slaughters. He was wrong, and Pagans of the time were just as repulsed as the rest of the world.

Take from that what you want, but he was obviously no Christian.

Again, being born a Christian does not make you a Christian, you actually have to beleive in the religion.I ma reading the long Hitler page.. and they do not mention any of that stuff

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler

I ma reading the long Hitler page.. and they do not mention any of that stuff

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler

Its from that other website you gave me...IT WAS THE ONE YOU SENT ME YOURSELF....ugh let me find it again, Jesus.

Edit: LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS

http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/4885/hitler.html

Most Christians Hate it when you call Mormons Christian (I know since I try to do it all the time :)

By the way, just a warning, most Mormons consider themselves Chrisitians, and will probably not like being put in a separate category.
That may be true, but most Protestant Christians do not consider Mormons to be Christian. Protestants believe in salvation by FAITH ALONE in Jesus Christ's death, burial and resurrection, and that a person must ask Christ to forgive them of their sins. Mormons believe in salvation through BOTH FAITH AND GOOD DEEDS. In Mormonism, asking Jesus for forgiveness is not enough. It's a very important difference.

Its from that other website you gave me...IT WAS THE ONE YOU SENT ME YOURSELF....ugh let me find it again, Jesus.
I am not saying it is not there..

I told you they are trying to answer the question... presenting all sides of the issue...

I am not saying it is not there..

I told you they are trying to answer the question... presenting all sides of the issue...

read the edit i edited to that post that you just quoted....click on that link, and go to the last two paragraphs...read them.

Listen Man, That Website Is Bull. Hitler Was PAGAN.maybe the site is Bull.. I dont know if it is..

Hitler's Faith/religion.. Why is such a Big deal anyways??

maybe the site is Bull.. I dont know if it is..

Why is Hitler' religion such a Big deal anyways??

Did you click on the link in my edit...and read the last two paragraphs?

read the edit i edited to that post that you just quoted....click on that link, and go to the last two paragraphs...read them.Like I said.. I am not denying it is writen there somewhere..
You say it is there @ww.geocities.com/CollegePark.. ..I trust you.. period.

That may be true, but most Protestant Christians do not consider Mormons to be Christian. Protestants believe in salvation by FAITH ALONE in Jesus Christ's death, burial and resurrection, and that a person must ask Christ to forgive them of their sins. Mormons believe in salvation through BOTH FAITH AND GOOD DEEDS. In Mormonism, asking Jesus for forgiveness is not enough. It's a very important difference.

By that same logic Protestants would not consider Catholics to be Christian, as they also believe in good works. Oh, by the way, good works does not necessarily mean what we would think of as good deeds, it also includes visiting relics, etc.

maybe the site is Bull.. I dont know if it is..

Hitler's Faith/religion.. Why is such a Big deal anyways??
Did you click on the link in my edit...and read the last two paragraphs?yes I did..:rolleyes: will you answer my question (the one in red)

yes I did..:rolleyes: will you answer my question (the one in red)

Ok, good. Its not important unless some trolling idiot says that Christianity was responsible for the holocaust..then I make a point to correct his, uh, assumption.

Atheism isn't a faith.

Atheism may not be "a faith", but it requires as much faith to disbelieve as it does to believe.

I, personally, am an agnostic with Taoist (insomuch as I understand the Tao) leanings.

but what created all matter?

Vacuum Fluctuations

Atheism may not be "a faith", but it requires as much faith to disbelieve as it does to believe.

I, personally, am an agnostic with Taoist (insomuch as I understand the Tao) leanings.

Many atheists aren't as much active disbelievers as people who make an educated guess that there aren't gods. It's the difference between Explicit and Implicit Atheists.

Many atheists aren't as much active disbelievers as people who make an educated guess that there aren't gods...then they arent atheists but agnostics. atheists firmly believe, that there can be no supernatural creatures.

I am offended by this post. MORMONS are not in any way CHRISTIANS!!! It takes a true christian to know that!! MORMONS do not believe in the same things as we do. They HAVE to be in a different category cause they're not CHRISTIANS!!!!

then they arent atheists but agnostics. atheists firmly believe, that there can be no supernatural creatures.

The way I understand it:

Explicit Atheist: actively believes there is no god.
Implicit Atheist: based on what they know makes the educated guess that there is no god.
Agnostic: does not believe they have enough information to make an educated guess one way or the other

The terms are often debated, however.

I believe in a Christian God, but do not belong to any church. I don't trust them as they've all had bad track records.

I am offended by this post. MORMONS are not in any way CHRISTIANS!!! It takes a true christian to know that!! MORMONS do not believe in the same things as we do. They HAVE to be in a different category cause they're not CHRISTIANS!!!!

The actual name of the Mormon religion is "the Church of Christ of the Latter-Day Saints". Since the definition of Christian is "one who believes in Christ" and the Mormons believe in Christ, they are, by definition, Christian. I'm sorry if the truth offends you, but what is, is.

I am offended by this post. MORMONS are not in any way CHRISTIANS!!! It takes a true christian to know that!! MORMONS do not believe in the same things as we do. They HAVE to be in a different category cause they're not CHRISTIANS!!!!

I see...

Do try to make an actual argument next time. Preferably a relevant one.

Good day.

Except for the stuff about believing they are going to become Gods in the afterlife and live on planets with concubines. And then there's the sacred undergarments they wear.

Mormoms are weirdo cultists.

I don't really think about God much. The idea of a Creator is appealing, and the idea of the Big Bang and evolution is appealing, but none of the arguments have had strong enough supporting evidence to persuade me to believe either way. So that makes me agnostic, I reckon.

And then there's the sacred undergarments they wear.
Hahahahahaha I dated a Mormon guy once...I guess they really do all wear white boxers and white undershirts then.

I see...

Do try to make an actual argument next time. Preferably a relevant one.

Good day.
It Is An Actual Argument. I'm Sorry You Can't Handle The Truth.

Christianity, specifically Southern Baptist *waits for the flames to start*

It Is An Actual Argument. I'm Sorry You Can't Handle The Truth.

It didn't sound like an actual argument to me, either. It sounded like an emotional flameout. Now if the poster had given actual, factual reasons for the statement, instead of emoting all over the thread, it might be an argument

It didn't sound like an actual argument to me, either. It sounded like an emotional flameout. Now if the poster had given actual, factual reasons for the statement, instead of emoting all over the thread, it might be an argument
while he didn't actually make a coherent point (even though I can see what he was trying to say) there is quite a bit of disagreement between mainstream Christians and Mormons as to what being Christian really means. That's a whole other thred though, a few of them in fact, I was in one for about 18 pages or so, you could search for it I suppose but it's mega-old so you know...start another if you are curious I guess.

Jehova = Jesus's name when he was on earth.

I thought that was Immanuel.

Oh never mind.

Mormons are Christians?Yes they are.
Next question..

That would fall under Christian

Jehova = Jesus's name when he was on earth.
actually no. Jehova is an old testament name for God, the J.W.s don't recognize Jesus as God, they don't believe in the trinity concept.

Less Than One Percent Of The World Jewish? Where'd You Get That? It's More Like, 25 Percent (Give Or Take). Same With Muslims. Bout 25 Percent.


I don't know where you get your facts but the Jewish population in this world is 13.9 million out of roughly 6 billion. You do the math! So the original poster was correct in saying that we are less than 1 percent of the world. 5.9 million in the US. 4.9 million in Israel, and the rest are spread throughout Europe, Latin America, etc... Where else in the world is the Jewish community hiding????

The way I understand it:

Explicit Atheist: actively believes there is no god.
Implicit Atheist: based on what they know makes the educated guess that there is no god.
Agnostic: does not believe they have enough information to make an educated guess one way or the other

The terms are often debated, however.atheism is the active rejection of god(s), motivated for example by the idea that, if there are supernatural beings, ones own existence as a mere mortal human is inferior, which is a disconcerting thought, as much as that one would forever be at the mercy at some omnipotent entity, which cannot be overcome.
another motive for an atheists rejection of gods may be, that he does not want to accept, that a gods would let terrible things happen as they would have the power to prevent them.

the agnostic may have come to the preliminary conclusion from the available evidence, that there is no god, but this is not final and he will not reject evidence for gods (when he sees any) out of ideology like the atheist would.

Spiritual, bordering on Agnostic. I think there's probally a higher power of some sort, but I admit that there's no way to know for sure. I do not believe in organized religion. I consider Jesus to be an exceptionally enlightened human, but nothing more.

I don't know where you get your facts but the Jewish population in this world is 13.9 million out of roughly 6 billion. You do the math! So the original poster was correct in saying that we are less than 1 percent of the world. 5.9 million in the US. 4.9 million in Israel, and the rest are spread throughout Europe, Latin America, etc... Where else in the world is the Jewish community hiding????
Yeah, we get around:D . Jews live/have lived in almost every country you can think of (except Saudi Arabia...we are literally banned from living there...not sure about visiting though)

If you haven't guessed already, I'm Jewish, but VERY reform to the point that I doubt god exists.

I don't practice the religion as much as I like, but I'm Roman Catholic.

atheism is the active rejection of god(s), motivated for example by the idea that, if there are supernatural beings, ones own existence as a mere mortal human is inferior, which is a disconcerting thought, as much as that one would forever be at the mercy at some omnipotent entity, which cannot be overcome.
another motive for an atheists rejection of gods may be, that he does not want to accept, that a gods would let terrible things happen as they would have the power to prevent them.

the agnostic may have come to the preliminary conclusion from the available evidence, that there is no god, but this is not final and he will not reject evidence for gods (when he sees any) out of ideology like the atheist would.

And yet it is much easier to convert an atheist into a believer than to convert an agnostic, precisely because atheism is a matter of faith and agnosticism requires quantifiable proof.

Yeah, we get around:D . Jews live/have lived in almost every country you can think of (except Saudi Arabia...we are literally banned from living there...not sure about visiting though)

If you haven't guessed already, I'm Jewish, but VERY reform to the point that I doubt god exists.


I have a degree in Jewish Studies and was supposed to attend rabbinical school until I got scared of the application process :) We are quite the opposite

None. I do not believe in god.
EDIT: And I do believe Mormom is a part of the Christian religion. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they do believe Jesus was the son of god do they not?

To those of the Moron Institution they would agree with you, to the entirety of the rest of institutionalized, eccumenical Christianity, they would not. Much like Jehovah's Witnesses, The Later-Day Saints deny key parts of orthodox christian faith.

I have a degree in Jewish Studies and was supposed to attend rabbinical school until I got scared of the application process :) We are quite the opposite
Well...I did have a bar mitzvah and know some of the prayers...and I am greatly interested in my heritage and culture...and try to do mitzvahs, if guided more by self-fufilment then faith...so i'm not the WORST jew in the world:p

Atheism may not be "a faith", but it requires as much faith to disbelieve as it does to believe.

I, personally, am an agnostic with Taoist (insomuch as I understand the Tao) leanings.

It doesn't take faith to not believe something. Do you have FAITH that the Flying Spaghetti Monster isn't real, or do you just not accept that?

then they arent atheists but agnostics. atheists firmly believe, that there can be no supernatural creatures.

A common misconception. Two, actually: Atheists don't have to firmly believe anything, they just can't believe in a particular God. Second, agnostics *firmly* believe that *you cannot know* if there is a God - it has nothing to do with *belief.* Agnosticism isn't "i am unsure if I believe," it is "I am sure I don't know either way."

I dislike when non-atheists go around defining what a "true" atheist is. Read a dictionary.

It doesn't take faith to not believe something. Do you have FAITH that the Flying Spaghetti Monster isn't real, or do you just not accept that?



A common misconception. Two, actually: Atheists don't have to firmly believe anything, they just can't believe in a particular God. Second, agnostics *firmly* believe that *you cannot know* if there is a God - it has nothing to do with *belief.* Agnosticism isn't "i am unsure if I believe," it is "I am sure I don't know either way."

I dislike when non-atheists go around defining what a "true" atheist is. Read a dictionary.


Agnostic comes from the Greek A-meaning without and gnosis-meaning knowledge - it means without knowledge
Atheist comes from the Greek A-meaning without and theos meaning god - it means without god - any god.

So an agnostic is without knowledge and an atheist is without god. Simple enough, really.

Well...I did have a bar mitzvah and know some of the prayers...and I am greatly interested in my heritage and culture...and try to do mitzvahs, if guided more by self-fufilment then faith...so i'm not the WORST jew in the world:p


I am not here to judge. It's a forum for opinions and thoughts. Just look out for others and for your own. Look out for the guy who no one else is looking out for. I got interested in the culture in heritage when I was in school too. I am secular to the bone and was before hand. It was probably the fact that I had to take a foreign language in school and hebrew was offered that I chose to get more involved with Judaism. Life is weird. Follow your own path but set principles for yourself and let them guide you.

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Kemetic Reconstructionism (Ancient Egyptian)

Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses do not accept the Nicene Creed and do not baptize in the name of the trinity as Jesus commanded. Therefore, they are not Christians.

Agnostic comes from the Greek A-meaning without and gnosis-meaning knowledge - it means without knowledge
Atheist comes from the Greek A-meaning without and theos meaning god - it means without god - any god.

Congratulations, you know some etymology.

But the definitions disagree with you. Etymology is not definition.

Agnosticism is:

1. The doctrine that certainty about first principles or absolute truth is unattainable and that only perceptual phenomena are objects of exact knowledge.
2. The belief that there can be no proof either that God exists or that God does not exist.


So it's not just "shrug, I dunno." It's "No one can know."

And atheism is:

n 1: the doctrine or belief that there is no God 2: a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods

So no, there isn't only one meaning, your meaning, for these philosophies. Sorry.

I follow my own religion.

According to it y'all are going to hell and I get 72,869,029,596 black-eyed virgins in heaven. Or black olives. Scholars aren't sure about that part.

Atheism isn't a faith.


Why not? I believe it too...

Generally speaking, agnostic.
Personally, I do have faith that once we are dead, we just cease to exist.

pagan would have been a better choice than wicca

I'm Agnostic.

As far as I'm concerned, my conscience is my religion.

I have a moderate belief in reincarnation, but I don't attach any spirituality to it.

I am a Eastern Schrodervarist...we don't get much press...there is only three of us...you can call us the meists...cause life isn't about you...it's about me

I'm just going to quote myself in the wicca-thread:

Personally I don't belive in wiccan faith or anything supernatural like souls, gaia or god.

I belive that when everuthing started it's like a pool-table when you shatter the cluster the first time, the initial motion swung a course of action that we really has no way to influence (if you choose something and consider something else it's the chain of events, it's not choice per se) since we are just the balls. There is no "outside influence" it's just energy and matter going a set but unpredictable path, no mather how much faith you put into it, "life" is just that, Energy and Matter, doing the preset course of action that was initiated so long ago. Call it faith if that is what you wish to call it.

However if there where a soul or a god or other outside influence then that would be a diffrent story, I just don't belive there is one of those...

In other words: to me Wicca is just BS, but I respect the fact that you belive in it, you belive it because that is the course of action the initial energy has made you choose, just like any other choice, be it religious or otherwise.

And yes, I know it's kind of a sad way to view life, but so is fooling yourself with a sense of greater importance/meaning.

I just call myself an atheist...with a small twist.

*comes in with newly minted plow.*
Where is my sword.
*hides plow behind back and slowly and quietly leaves.* :D

Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses do not accept the Nicene Creed and do not baptize in the name of the trinity as Jesus commanded. Therefore, they are not Christians.

Though they do believe in Jesus Christ and the Bible, so I'd have to disagree. They are Christian, but just have different beliefs to most.

Are Scientologists Christian too? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Edit- Sorry, I've checked it out, looks like they're not. Think I got mixed up with some other cult.

I venerate the archetypes of Prometheus and Loki, though I don't use those particular names. I am a Minister of the Church of the SubGenius, but I know "Bob" is in many ways a playful extension of Loki-power, anyway. I was raised Unitarian Universalist; I consider myself a Spiritual 'free agent' of sorts.

My path is my own. There is nothing that stands between myself and what I consider, or rather, what you'd think I considered "God" to be. Nothing. No books, no clergy, no churches, temples, hymns, candles, pews or panes of artfully-arranged bits of coloured glass.

Just me and the Old Man and the Fire.
You know Revelation-X is out of print, but Prime is still orderable, right?

...
Also, as per the Old Man and the Fire ... didn't he get shanked in Frank's basement? (No i don't mean Bob { :eek: } found hanged, either)

I am a Eastern Schrodervarist...we don't get much press...there is only three of us...you can call us the meists...cause life isn't about you...it's about me
Not of the clan MacLeod?
You know, there was Connor through four (should've been three less) movies ... and then there was that other one who did much better in an arguably successful series ... hmmm what WAS that name again ... :D

EDIT:Ah yes, as per your bolded ....

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10381900&postcount=112

*comes in with newly minted plow.*

*hides plow behind back and slowly and quietly leaves.* :D
SOMEBODY just got themselves a new nickname AND song! WooT!
There's even a coat you can wear when you plow Marge (or whomever you're with ...)

HITUF did this thread go THIS FAR WITHOUT
FSMism?!?!?!?

The noodly appendages doth recoil in horror ... and neglect. :(
For shame.

One of these days I'll learn to stay out of these "whats your religion" threads, but not today.

*Clears throat and pics up bullhorn*









I am a Satanist!







Like you couldn't look at my sig and tell.

I am a Statanist!

You worship Andrew J Statan, author of Bruce Lee : Memories of a Master?

(Sorry, couldn't resist. :p )

You worship Andrew J Statan, author of Bruce Lee : Memories of a Master?

(Sorry, couldn't resist. :p )

Oops.:D

Note I did NOT say typist.:p

interresting materials about religions may be found in wikipedia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

major religion (by number of practicant, which is I think the more objectiv criteria) are the following

Christianity 2.1 billion
Islam 1.3 billion
Secular/Irreligious/Agnostic/Atheist 1.1 billion
Hinduism 900 million
Chinese folk religion 394 million
Buddhism 376 million (see also Buddhism by country)
Primal indigenous 300 million
African traditional and diasporic 100 million
Sikhism 23 million
Juche 19 million
Spiritism 15 million
Judaism 14 million
Mormonism 12 million
Bahá'í Faith 7 million
Jehovah's Witnesses 5 million
Jainism 4.2 million
Shinto 4 million (see below)
Cao Dai 4 million
Zoroastrianism 2.6 million
Tenrikyo 2 million
Neopaganism 1 million
Unitarian Universalism 800,000
Rastafari movement 600,000

I think "Chrisianity" is a too general term scince their are many tipes of christians all with slightly differand beliefs.

I think "Chrisianity" is a too general term scince their are many tipes of christians all with slightly differand beliefs.
Different Beliefs but the same Faith.

just like Islam.

i dont understand atheism, would an atheist plz explain why they beleive there is not god

Look at the world. If god was real would he/she not stop the killings that happen each day for god. I refuse to think of "god" as a large unseen child who has put black ants, red ants, wasps, and bees in a gaint jar put the lid on and shakes jar just to watch them fight.

I'm a convinced pastafarian.
All hail the great FSM!

Russian Orthodox.

We believe in Jesus and Adam and Eve and a lot of stuff Christians believe in, but we also believe that Evolution did happen. God manipulates events and fates of things in life to make something specific happen. For example, the chemical reaction that created life on Earth, the deaths of many people, birth of Jesus, WWII, etc. It is also centered around the belief that we may be wrong in our religion, but we try to be good people and live our lives and be ourselves at the same time, regardless if Heaven or Hell exists or not.

It's a combination of Humanism, Evolutionism, Christianity.

Russian Orthodox.Russian Orthodox are Christians..
I asume you know that.

Different Beliefs but the same Faith.

just like Islam.
I'd argue with that statement. It seems better to say that a Faith is merely a subset of Beliefs, whereas one's Religion (which is what Islam is, incidentally) is a social grouping of people who have decided to join it on the basis of similarities with what they believe. Hence, different Beliefs and Faiths, but same Religion and social identifier.

In that sense, I classify Atheism and Agnosticism as religions too; not because of what they believe, but simply because of the method by which they choose to identify themselves.

My faith is that God is a universal application of the Gaia entity; not something that exists external to this reality but completely an integral part of it. This has some interesting philosophical outcomes that I'd be more than happy to share, but not everyone would be happy to listen to. ^^;

Kemetic Reconstructionism (Ancient Egyptian)

Me too. Ankh Udja Seneb, Zobmondo. Are you with any particular temple?

Obviously, I voted "Other" in the poll.

And now a few general things.

1. Nazis suck and trying foist Hitler and his cronies off on someone else's religion is pointless.

2. Mormons are Christians.

3. With regards to Devil Worship, I suggest you check out Geifodd's homepage, Your Friendly Neighborhood Devil Worshiper (http://www.geocities.com/geifodd/).

4. Heathens hate it when you call them Pagans.

Now just back to the Holocaust.

Looking at research, the Nazis, took ideals and values from Heathenism, Asatru or Paganism whatever you want to call it, and I believe there was an Asatru guy who was his head. But that was all, after a while Hitler and his cronies did not like Asatru or Paganism anymore than Jewish or Gypsies, or other minorities, they actually sent several dozen to concentration camps where at least 1/5 died I believe.

Now, it is unsure what Hitler and his head guys were, I have done research on a number of them and they were Christian, but Hitler is gray along with a few others.

The ones who committed the crimes were Christian, the soldiers, the SS, the civilians who collaborated were all different religions.

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On a new subject, what do you people consider paganism? Because paganism is a whole bunch of different religions, earth-based and other religions.

4. Heathens hate it when you call them Pagans.

Are you trying to call me a pagan, I'm a heathen. Take this :mp5:

Are you trying to call me a pagan, I'm a heathen. Take this :mp5:

Indeed.

My relationship with God has nothing to do with faith. I know God exists.

And no, I cannot prove it, and will not try.

My relationship with God has nothing to do with faith. I know God exists.

And no, I cannot prove it, and will not try.
Knowing God exists and holding without uncertainty preconceptions about him/it/her are often held to be the same thing. Which is it you're referring to? Do you know that some form of God must exist, or do you know of exactly one form that the God that exists takes?

Now to all you radical people, and all you moderate people.

Every religion is cool, they have their interesting points, each and every one of them.

The ones that have no god, or many gods, or just even one god are all interesting in their own way.

Even Wicca.

but they arent christians they add on to the bible and at the end of revelatons it warns not to add on or take away from the bible

Oh dear. Have you read those verses recently? I assume you mean these ones:

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Now, for 'the prophecy of this book'/'the book of this prophecy' to refer to the Bible as a whole, John would have had to know that he was writing for a collected volume. Did he? Well, according to Wikipedia (not the most accurate source necessarily, but easy to use) the New Testament was only finalised as those 27 books in the 4th Century AD. When was John writing? According to another article, dates range from 68 AD all the way up to, oh, nearly 100 AD. So, was John taking about a book that wouldn't exist for another three hundred-some years... or just about the book he'd just finished writing, known now as the Revelations of St. John the Divine?

Well, you decide.

mormans arnt christians they dont believe jesus was the son of god

Yes, we do. Try again.

That is, if they wish to claim the title of Christian, which simply means, "Follower of Christ" so be it. But it must be understood that the three groups are different religions, not different aspects of the same one.

It's a tricky one, to be sure. In some respects, Mormonism is similar to Judaism than to Christianity. We claim the title of Christian in the simplest possible sense: Followers of Christ. We don't, and never have, claim to be Orthodox Christian.

That's a little difficult. On one hand, yes, Mormons are Christians in the purist sense of the word: they believe in Christ, his divinity, the infallibility of his teachings, etc. However, they often like being put in a seperate category, as long as you recognize that they are still Christian.

Yes, we're a fiddly lot, us.

Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses do not accept the Nicene Creed and do not baptize in the name of the trinity as Jesus commanded. Therefore, they are not Christians.

Really?

The person who is called of God and has authority from Jesus Christ to baptize, shall go down into the water with the person who has presented himself or herself for baptism, and shall say, calling him or her by name: Having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

Guessing that's a different 'Father, Son and Holy Ghost' to the one you mean?

As to the actual question in this thread... yeah, I think you can guess what I voted.

I'm a convinced pastafarian.
All hail the great FSM!
Post #190?!?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10383146&postcount=182

I'm a Discordian !;) :cool:

the diffrence betwen being religious and being crazy is that a religious person belives that there is a god and a crazy person knows. :D

Spritually I'm a Atheist.

I hate it when people try to convert me back to Catholism. I was born into it, I went as far as my communion, then decided this Spritualy being stuff is rubbish.

And I find it hard to believe that we are the thrid most common religion.

I don't mean to offend anybody.

The Askua Religion sounds cool however. One or two Buddist ways match some of my own (generosty and keeping calm are examples) and I respect other people talking about their religion.

As long as they don't try to convert me :headbang: :mad:

Knowing God exists and holding without uncertainty preconceptions about him/it/her are often held to be the same thing. Which is it you're referring to? Do you know that some form of God must exist, or do you know of exactly one form that the God that exists takes?

The first one. I have no preconceptions about God. As I grow and learn, my ideas about God change. The only thing I can say with certainty is that, other than God's existence, I don't know anything else about God. I would assume that God need not take any form.

Atheism isn't a faith.

Yes it is.
It isnt a RELIGION
but it is a faith.

Faith is a wasteful belief in uncertainty. If we don't know what it is, how it works, why it's here, some holy one's done it.

Religion is bad.

are there any Devil worshippers here?

Let´s forget about republicans, ok?

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Guessing that's a different 'Father, Son and Holy Ghost' to the one you mean?
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I think there is room for discussion, 5 points of compare...

1: Christianity, ( throughout the ages, and you can assume I mean this for the other questions to follow as well) , has proclaimed that there is only one True and Living God and apart from Him there are no other Gods (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10,11; 44:6,8; 45:21,22; 46:9; Mark 12:29-34).

By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that there are many Gods (Book of Abraham 4:3ff), and that we can become gods and goddesses in the celestial kingdom (Doctrine and Covenants 132:19-20; Gospel Principles, p. 245; Achieving a Celestial Marriage, p. 130). It also teaches that those who achieve godhood will have spirit children who will worship and pray to them, just as we worship and pray to God the Father (Gospel Principles, p. 302).

2: Christianity, teaches that God is Spirit (John 4:24; 1 Timothy 6:15,16), He is not a man (Numbers 23:19; Hosea 11:9; Romans 1:22, 23), and has always (eternally) existed as God — all powerful, all knowing, and everywhere present (Psalm 90:2; 139:7-10; Isaiah 40:28; Luke 1:37).

By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that God the Father was once a man like us who progressed to become a God and has a body of flesh and bone (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22; "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!" from Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-347; Gospel Principles, p. 9; Articles of Faith, p. 430; Mormon Doctrine, p. 321). Indeed, the Mormon Church teaches that God himself has a father, and a grandfather, ad infinitum (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 373; Mormon Doctrine, p. 577).

3: Christianity teaches that the disobedience of Adam and Eve was a great evil. Through their fall sin entered the world, bringing all human beings under condemnation and death. Thus, we are born with a sinful nature and will be judged for the sins we commit as individuals. (Ezekiel 18:1-20; Romans 5:12-21) unless we are washed clean by the blood of Jesus Christ.

By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that Adam’s sin was "a necessary step in the plan of life and a great blessing to all of us" (Gospel Principles, p. 33; Book of Mormon — 2 Nephi 2:25; Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp. 114-115).

4: The Christianity teaches that apart from the saving work of Jesus Christ on the cross we are spiritually "dead in trespasses and sins" (Ephesians 2:1,5) and are powerless to save ourselves.

By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that eternal life in the presence of God (which it terms "exaltation in the celestial kingdom") must be earned through obedience to all the commands of the Mormon Church, including exclusive Mormon temple rituals. Works are a requirement for salvation (entrance into the "celestial kingdom") — Gospel Principles, p. 303-304; Pearl of Great Price — Third Article of Faith; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 339, 671; Book of Mormon — 2 Nephi 25:23).

5: The New Testament teaches that the true Church was divinely established by Jesus and could never and will never disappear from the earth (Matthew 16:18; John 15:16; 17:11). Christians acknowledge that there have been times of corruption and apostasy within the Church, but believe there has always been a remnant that held fast to the biblical essentials.
By contrast (much like the Qur’an’s message about why Mohammad was visited by angels), the Mormon Church teaches that there was a great and total apostasy of the Church as established by Jesus Christ; this state of apostasy "still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" of the Mormon Church (Gospel Principles, pp. 105-106; Mormon Doctrine, p. 44).

So, in the end, much like how the Muslims share some beliefs with Christians, like belief in the virgin birth of Jesus Christ, and all four (Jew, Christian, Muslim and Mormon), share belief in the prophets before Christ, for example, but no one can say that they are all the same. The belief that we need to be washed clean of our sins by the blood from the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross and that we need to be born again of the spirit, and come to the father like little children, is distinctly Christian and not Muslim, Mormon nor Jewish.

A Mormon that all but denied all the basic tenets of Mormonism — that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, that the Book of Mormon is true and divinely inspired, that god was once a man who progressed to godhood through keeping the laws and ordinances of the Mormon Church, and that the Mormon Church was divinely established — the Mormon Church would reject such a person’s claim to being a Latter-day Saint. One cannot fairly call oneself a Mormon if one does not believe the fundamental doctrines taught by the Mormon Church. By the same token, if the Mormon Church does not hold to even the basic biblical truths believed by the greater Christian community down through the ages, how can Christians reasonably be expected to accept Mormonism as authentic Christianity?



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The sum of my research and essay above can be found at this link (http://www.irr.org/default.html). I credit it with the essay answers above. My essay is only my compiling of questions asnwered there. I edited for content and picked and choosed to make my point, so It's not a direct "quote" because I've altered it.
http://www.irr.org/default.html

Yes it is.
It isnt a RELIGION
but it is a faith.

No its not. I am an atheist because I have no faith. faith implies belief without knowledge. I dont believe in anything.

I don't belive there is any number of gods, or anything like that. And if a god did show up, and prove that god(s) really do exist, I wouldn't just fall to my knees and start pray to him/her/it. He may very well be a god, but that don't give him any rights to tell me how to live, nor do I belive that he is right, just because he is a god.



And a question: why do you blindly belive that your God is right?

Can we PLEASE not assume Wicca is the representative of Pagan religions? It's just the most vocal. Argh.

Anyways, I'm Ecletic Pagan. In short, it means I've taken from a number of belief-systems to find my own set of morals and path to enlightenment/happiness.

Now what other pagan religions are their except for Wicca there is Druid, the Celts and the Ecceltric, but who else.

And don't say Asatru or Heathen. Because we aren't Pagans.

i dont understand atheism, would an atheist plz explain why they beleive there is not god
There isn't any real solid evidence that says there is and all the religious arguments for god need a base of default faith that there is something that created us.
But actually most athiests, that I've heard, don't really care. They don't really have an opinion one way or the other.
It isn't necesarilly the beleif of no god but the non belief of a god...
If you could understand that...I bearly do... LOL
I am agnostic. The bible is actually to blame for that one...
I can't possibly belive that the bible is in it's true, unaltered form. Therefor I can not beleive it.
Just my worthless 2 cents. :D

Yes it is.
It isnt a RELIGION
but it is a faith.
Completely the opposite.
It isn't a faith, but it is a Religion.
If you call yourself an Atheist because you don't believe, it's a Religion of non-faith.

Now what other pagan religions are their except for Wicca there is Druid, the Celts and the Ecceltric, but who else.

And don't say Asatru or Heathen. Because we aren't Pagans.

*Sighs* Wicca isn't Pagan. It steals from Pagan belief-sets and Christianity, without giving due credit to them, and the Goddess they worship is Morrigan, a war goddess who, I'm quite sure, would not abide by their fluffiness.

The Celts, Druids and Eccletic are the most well known, and off the top of my head, I can't recall the names of the more obscure ones, sorry. If I remember any, I'll come back.

Mormon Is Christian!!!

Either hedonist, or abilityist. My ability is my sustinence, hope and conviction.

Mormons are Christians.Yeah, and christianity is a sect of Judaism. :p

Yes it is.
It isnt a RELIGION
but it is a faith.


No, a faith is:

n.

1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief. See Synonyms at trust.
3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
4. often Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
6. A set of principles or beliefs.


Atheism doesn't require confident belief of any sort, loyalty, a body of dogma or a set of principles.

Atheism is not a faith.

Completely the opposite.
It isn't a faith, but it is a Religion.
If you call yourself an Atheist because you don't believe, it's a Religion of non-faith.

*sigh*

No, atheism isn't a religion either.

A religion is:

n.

1.
1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.


Atheism is obviously not a belief in a supernatural power. It's not any kind of system grounded in worship. It's not a religious order. It's not a set of beliefs based on the teachings of a spiritual leader. And it does not have to be pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

READ THE DICTIONARY PEOPLE, before you throw around your definitions of things.

READ THE DICTIONARY PEOPLE, before you throw around your definitions of things.You have to admit there are quite a few Athiest that fall under
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
Some can be quite zealous in denouncing religion and attacking people's faith trying to 'convert' them to atheism

You have to admit there are quite a few Athiest that fall under

Some can be quite zealous in denouncing religion and attacking people's faith trying to 'convert' them to atheism

But it's not a definitive part of being atheist.

SOME can be quite zealous in pursuing politics, is every political party a religion now? SOME can be quite zealous in the Mac vs PC debate, is computer use a religion? Virtually every activity on earth can SOMETIMES be pursued by people with zealotry, but not every activity on earth is a freaking religion.

But it's not a definitive part of being atheist.

SOME can be quite zealous in pursuing politics, is every political party a religion now? SOME can be quite zealous in the Mac vs PC debate, is computer use a religion? Virtually every activity on earth can SOMETIMES be pursued by people with zealotry, but not every activity on earth is a freaking religion.One might jusifiably say it's a religion for the people that are zealous about it.

Look on the bright side, it means you can enter sex when asked about your religion ;)

One might jusifiably say it's a religion for the people that are zealous about it.

Look on the bright side, it means you can enter sex when asked about your religion ;)

Goddamn it its too late now! The whole poll is ruined!

hehe, whole poll. I dont know why thats funny.

*sigh*

No, atheism isn't a religion either.

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READ THE DICTIONARY PEOPLE, before you throw around your definitions of things.
Which dictionary? Most actual English dictionaries include an extra clause or two along the lines of:
... 3 a pursuit or interest followed with devotion.
In any case, Atheism is a social label you apply to yourself based on your belief that there is no God. That is all it is. It just so happens that that's all religion is too. Christianity is just what people who happen to believe Jesus is God call themselves to let other people know what they believe. Agnosticism is just what people who don't think faiths can possibly be validated either way call themselves as a notation for what they think.

Agnosticism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Atheism, Wicca, Satanism... they're all the same thing. Words used to give ourselves a lump identification. If you call Christianity a religion, you also call Atheism a religion. That's just that.

I'm a Discordian !;) :cool:
*whiny voice*
Holiday! *whimpers*...
Celebrate! *lightly sobs*...
*breaks down on stage*

:D
Apricots abound. Things are good.
*bows*

Existentialism

which is...

which is...

It's very basicly skeptic atheism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism

though this link may give more insight.

http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/sartre/works/exist/sartre.htm

Existentialism

Poor guy. I feel sorry for ya.

I am a born again Christain.

I practise Islam - though some say I'm not very good at it.


ahhahah...wow someone hu admits that he/she is not very good at practising ur own religion..ouh well same for me...islam but not very good at it....

By the way, just a warning, most Mormons consider themselves Chrisitians, and will probably not like being put in a separate category.
Mormons aren't Christians in the classical sense. It would be fairly accurate to classify them as "Christian revisionists." During the middle ages they would have been referred to as "heretics," and probably burned at the stake.

Just a reply to some of the stuff I'm seeing about Jehovah's Witnesses, since I happen to have a lot of them in my family...

1. Jehovah's Witnesses are Christian. Their Bible is exactly the same as all others except that they refer to God as Jehovah instead of "Lord." However, although they are Christian, they do not consider themselves part of Christendom as a whole.

2. The word "Jehovah" is considered God's true name (NOT Jesus' name) and comes from the Jewish tetragrammon YHWH, found in the Torah.

3. Witnesses do not celebrate most American holidays precisely because most of those holidays have pagan roots. Where most Christians don't acknowledge where their Christmas trees, easter eggs and maypoles come from, the Witnesses do, and reject those things as pagan.

4. Witnesses refuse blood transfusions at the hospital because of the Bible passage in which Jesus says to "abstain from blood" because blood is sacred. (A lot of people interpret this as a command to drain the blood from dead animals before cooking them...) They believe that abstaining from blood includes not accepting other peoples' blood in their veins through an IV. They do, however, accept all other medical treatments.

And of course there are a lot of other interesting differences. For example, Witnesses don't believe in hell per se, because they think the original Hebrew/Greek/Aramaic words for hell were mistranslated and should actually read "the grave" or something like that.

All in all, I don't think they're any stranger than other Christians are...

Mormons aren't Christians in the classical sense. It would be fairly accurate to classify them as "Christian revisionists." During the middle ages they would have been referred to as "heretics," and probably burned at the stake.
yea they have their little "Mormon Bible" which theyrefer to as a 'compaanion" to the bible

As countless people have said. Atheism is not a faith.

I don't believe there is a God and thus the whole idea rates about the same as the story of the three little pigs. I don't place faith in that story, they are too hard on the wolf.

As countless people have said. Atheism is not a faith.

I don't believe there is a God and thus the whole idea rates about the same as the story of the three little pigs. I don't place faith in that story, they are too hard on the wolf.
why do you not beleive in a god?

My official docs in the Military actually stated that I was a Neo-Zen Taoist. I’ve been out of the army for a while, but it’s still about the closest I can come to anything I’ve found. I still remember the Sergeant when I answered the question of religion for official purposes.

“Son, you’d better not be messing with me on this one.”

My official docs in the Military actually stated that I was a Neo-Zen Taoist. I’ve been out of the army for a while, but it’s still about the closest I can come to anything I’ve found. I still remember the Sergeant when I answered the question of religion for official purposes.

“Son, you’d better not be messing with me on this one.”

you're in the military? this is new...

Faith of the Heart. As in, goin' where my heart may take me.

you're in the military? this is new...

I used to be. I've been out for a few years now.

In theory I'm a christian, part of the catholic church.

In practice, I'm an agnostic and I totally, utterly oppose this degraded organization on most issues I've heard them position themselves on.

Don't get me wrong, I took a lot of good stuff spiritiually from the messages contained in the NT; but the ecclesiastical authorities deserve nothing short of my scorn and contempt, and I'm unsure yet about whether I truly believe in the mystical dimension or not.

I guess I'm Catholic, but I've been leaning towards agnosticism recently.

I guess I'm Catholic, but I've been leaning towards agnosticism recently.
Join the club, buddy. Here, have an agnostic cookie.

*hands agnostic cookie jar*

Bhuddhist all the way.

Though, I'm not affiliated with a temple. I've just read the original Sutras and interpreted the religion as I saw fit (keeping certain parts, eliminating other parts, stuff like that).

None. I do not believe in god.
EDIT: And I do believe Mormom is a part of the Christian religion. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they do believe Jesus was the son of god do they not?

Yes they do

but they arent christians they add on to the bible and at the end of revelatons it warns not to add on or take away from the bible

You mean the book of Revelation? Have you read it? How about Deuteronomy 4:2? It says the same thing. And since most scholars believe that John wrote his epistles and his Gospel AFTER his Revelation, your logic is flawed, especially when coupled with the fact that the first person to have what you know as The New Testament was Athenasius in 368. But You knew that, didn't you? Remember reading about him in the Bible? No? Martin Luther didn't believe the book of James and "mistrusted" Revelation...

mormans arnt christians they dont believe jesus was the son of god

Have you read the book of Mormon? Because it refers to Jesus as the son of God MORE than in the Bible...

I am offended by this post. MORMONS are not in any way CHRISTIANS!!! It takes a true christian to know that!! MORMONS do not believe in the same things as we do. They HAVE to be in a different category cause they're not CHRISTIANS!!!!

Actually, according to the book of Acts, non-believers came up with the word "Christian" at Antioch as a general description for those who claimed to follow Jesus. So by definition, (at least according to the Bible,) you couldn't be more wrong.

Except for the stuff about believing they are going to become Gods in the afterlife and live on planets with concubines. And then there's the sacred undergarments they wear. Mormoms are weirdo cultists.

Romans 8
16 ...we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ...
What did Christ inherit?
Matthew 28
18 ...All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Or more clearly:
Revelation 3
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in His throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let hime hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Open your ears.

Jacob 2 (from the book of Mormon)
... and concubines thou shalt have NONE (emphasis added)
*adjusts garments* (Just like Adam and Noah...)

Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses do not accept the Nicene Creed and do not baptize in the name of the trinity as Jesus commanded. Therefore, they are not Christians.

Jesus never said "Trinity," the aforementioned Athenasius invented the term, along with the Nicene creed, and our current New Testament. (Ironically, Jehovah's Witnesses side with him on the latter, but not the first two...)
And BOTH faiths baptize "in the name of the Father, in the name of the Son, and in the name of the Holy Gost/Spirit."

Anyone else want to tell me what I believe? As for Mormons being Christian, personally, it only bothers me when people assume that I worship Jesus to a lesser extent than they do. But I am starting not to mind the misconception as much since Christianity has become synonymous with the words intolerant, hateful, closed-minded, and hypocrisy in the mind of your average agnostic.

Even though you copied and pasted a big long article that youdidn't write or understand, I'll respond anyway.

1: There is only one True and Living God and apart from Him there are no other Gods
I agree. You assume that God= Individual. This doctrine is taught in this way to combat the polytheists, which believed that there was a seperate God for everything and the the Gods frequently disagreed. We believe ther is one God.
Example: You have my IMPLICIT trust, and I give you my credit card. You go buy a Happy Meal. Who bought the Happy Meal? You or me? If our heavenly Father gives you all of His knowledge (or are you saying that He can't do that?) and entrusts you with His power (same question) who formes the star, Father, or you? He is your Father, You are not Him, but what makes you not God?

2: God is a Spirit

Doctrine and Covenants 93
33 For man is spirit, the elements are eternal, and spirit and element (made into a body) inseperably connected, recieve a fulness of joy.

God is a spirit. Man is a spirit. When I die, I have no body, but I am still a man. If you keep only outward laws, but do not worship God in spirit, you avail nothing, which was that point that john was making to the Jews. He neve said that God is a spirit wothout a body. In fact, we're created in the IMAGE of God. Moses spoke to God face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend on more than one occasion.

3: Christianity teaches that the disobedience of Adam and Eve was a great evil. Through their fall sin entered the world, bringing all human beings under condemnation and death. Thus, we are born with a sinful nature and will be judged for the sins we commit as individuals, unless we are washed clean by the blood of Jesus Christ.

So does "Mormonism." We also believe that Christ atoned for original sin. (So children are innocent, for such are the kingdom of heaven. Sound familiar?) We believe Adam and Eve sinned. Let me ask you this: If God knows everything, why did he put the tree there? To see what they woud do? Does your God not know everything?


4: The Christianity teaches that apart from the saving work of Jesus Christ on the cross we are spiritually "dead in trespasses and sins" and are powerless to save ourselves.

Book of Mormon
2 Nephi 10
24 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, reconcile yourselves to the will of God, and not to the will of the devil and the flesh; and remember, after ye are reconciled unto God, that it is only in and through the grace of God that ye are saved.

I have taken many pastors to school on this one, so don't bother. (Unless want to learn something...)
5: The true Church could never and will never disappear from the earth.

Amos 8
11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:
12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.

From sea to sea? Maybe they forgot to look under the couch cushions...

:eek: pwned

Voted "other". I'm an atheist. I'm sure it's already been explained why an atheist would vote other.
Would have preferred the option of "none".

I voted other, due to the fact that I can fall into several categories.

I can be classified as Christian. Or pagan (we'll use Wicca since thats the only option for that...). Or even Taoist or Buddhist. I persoanlly believe in the validity of all religions and find myself to believe parts of most religions.

Sure, I say Jesus is my savior, but I also believe that all religions are divinely connected. There's too many religions for there to be only one "right" way.

So I follow many paths and keep an open mind. I'm sure God is happy if you believe in something, rather than nothing.

However, I don't see atheists as being wrong. Again, they just have another way of thinking. So long as you live you life well and are a good person, I'm sure God will be pleased.

I mean, you don't even have to be really religious to follow the main idea of pretty much all religions: just be good to yourself and to each other. Thats all its about, just living your life well.