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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/02/07/cartoon.protests/index.html

Holocaust cartoons? First Jew had NOTHING to do with those Muhammad cartoons in Denmark. Second mocking the murder of 11 million people (6 million were Jews) seems a little different than making fun of a religion for being violent that has some fanatical elements that are on Jihad. This is the response a 5 year old would have. We should just ignore it. We just need to make sure nobody does anything stupid in response to this and they might just shut up. I'm beginning to think that those fanatics may not be in the minority. I don't want to believe that but this whole thing has got me questioning the "it's just a few radicals" philosophy...:confused:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/02/07/cartoon.protests/index.html

Holocaust cartoons? First Jew had NOTHING to do with those Muhammad cartoons in Denmark. Second mocking the murder of 11 million people (6 million were Jews) seems a little different than making fun of a religion for being violent that has some fanatical elements that are on Jihad. This is the response a 5 year old would have. We should just ignore it. We just need to make sure nobody does anything stupid in response to this and they might just shut up. I'm beginning to think that those fanatics may not be in the minority. I don't want to believe that but this whole thing has got me questioning the "it's just a few radicals" philosophy...:confused:
hear hear

mocking the death of 11 million is so much worse than mocking the religion of 1 billion :rolleyes:

mocking the death of 11 million is so much worse than mocking the religion of 1 billion :rolleyes:

Yes, yes it is. That doesn't mean I'm going to stop them, nor does it mean I'm going to burn down Arab embassies in Washington.

So making rash generalizations about 1 billion people is better than making fun of 11 million who were killed because of rash generalizations? In Germany it started with cartoons, look at where it ended up.

So making rash generalizations about 1 billion people is better than making fun of 11 million who were killed because of rash generalizations? In Germany it started with cartoons, look at where it ended up.

I don't think the situations are the same; people were incited with hatred against the Jews by the propaganda, but what is happening in the Middle East is that the targets of the cartoons are being incited to anger by them against the people who drew them. The cartoons are nowhere near as offensive as the ones printed in many Arabic newspapers against the Jews and America anyway; that doesn't make them acceptable, but it's not as bad as the Mideast portrayals of the Jews and the West.

However, it's also important to note that these cartoons were out for a while before the violence began; it seems that radical clerics took them and are using them to incite anger against the West rather than against the regimes repressing the people of the Middle East. There's an invisible hand involved here.

mocking the death of 11 million is so much worse than mocking the religion of 1 billion :rolleyes:

i give you a Gold Star for that one. :D

Hmm...I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi.

While I do not see these cartoons that speak out against us, calling all 1 billion of a religions followers terrorists simply because a small portion are is unfair, and can be classified as "propaganda" as it is. Every major religion has had its horrible extremists. It wasnt all that long ago when the KKK had rallies in DC not dissimilar from modern Hamas ones. People tend to forget that.

Also, most terrorist groups, like al-Qaeda, and the radical clerics who support them, cannot stand most Arab governments. They hate the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis, Emiratis, and Qataris just as equally as they hate us. Bin Laden's flaw is that he goes for the source instead of attacking the regimes he can conquer. Thats why Zarkawi was reluctant to work with him.

Please tell me why the hell these Muslims are flipping out? If I saw a cartoon making fun of Jesus I would think, "Hmm, funny, but this might upset a bunch of Baptists." But I would never expect to see them flipping out like all these Muslims are. Honestly, get a grip on life.

A question though: at first I assumed that these Muslims who are feeling so insulted to create riots are similar to America's "Good Christians" from the deep South. But since this is taking place in Europe, I'm getting the impression that these are "normal" Ismamic believers. Any ideas?

What if it showed the pope in a KKK hood, after Muslim countries had invaded Italy, Spain and France?

EDIT: In Europe, racist attitudes towards Muslims have led to the population becoming poor, dissaffected with the current system, and desparate for something better, which, like Palestine and Iraq do, provides a breeding ground for extremism.

What if it showed the pope in a KKK hood, after Muslim countries had invaded Italy, Spain and France?

Wouldn't bother me; if there was a war at hand there are more pressing priorities than a cartoon.

Those idiots are just living up to their western stereotypical standards. The more this keeps up, the more people are gonna wonder if Islam is really a religion of peace, and if the people that hate infidels and hate the west are really only a few extremist...So I say, keep it going, A-rabs...The more of this shit you pull...the more people will realize that you guys are a bunch of violent idiots based on the destruction of the Jews (my religion) Isreal (my religion's country), the Christians, America, Europe and the west.

so lets see. You refer to 1 billion people as a single collective how many times in there? What about if i said:

Those idiots are just living up to their eastern stereotypical standards. The more this keeps up, the more people are gonna wonder if Judiasm and Christianity are really religions of peace, and if the people that hate towelheads and hate the east are really only a few extremist...So I say, keep it going, Is-raelis...The more of this shit you pull...the more people will realize that you guys are a bunch of violent idiots based on the destruction of the Muslims, Iraq, Mecca, Africa, Indonesia and the east.

In the name of Allah, most Merciful, most Compassionate:

Any Muslim worth his or her salt does not really concern themselves with their image to anyone except Allah. No exceptions. "All praise is due to Allah alone, Lord of all the worlds." (Qur'an 1:2)

To redress the cartoon issue by doing the same in return is seeking a worldly reaction (be it praise or condemnation) and is, therefore, blasphemy. "O you who believe! Enter perfectly in Islâm (by obeying all the rules and regulations of the Islâmic religion) and follow not the footsteps of Shaitân (Satan). Verily! He is to you a plain enemy." (Qur'an 2:208)

I hereby condemn the actions of Hamshahri and call for a global boycott of it and anyone who does business with it or continues to advertise within its pages with knowledge of this blasphemy.

(See? I can do it, too!)

so lets see. You refer to 1 billion people as a single collective how many times in there? What about if i said:

Those idiots are just living up to their eastern stereotypical standards. The more this keeps up, the more people are gonna wonder if Judiasm and Christianity are really religions of peace, and if the people that hate towelheads and hate the east are really only a few extremist...So I say, keep it going, Is-raelis...The more of this shit you pull...the more people will realize that you guys are a bunch of violent idiots based on the destruction of the Muslims, Iraq, Mecca, Africa, Indonesia and the east.

Encore....Good...let them think what they want of us. We are the superior culture.

As much as Islam likes to believe they control the world, they don't.

They need to learn to respect other people's cultures, beliefs, religions (or lack of). However, according to the war dogma known as the Quran, that isn't going to happen.

After the past few years from 9/11 to war on Iraq, I have switched sides from defending the Muslim faith to seeing them as nothing more than bunch of murderers following the words of someone who slept with a six year old girl.

These people who follow the 'religion of peace' are hypocrites and liars. Burning down buildings, the protest signs in the UK, and palestines celebrating when the towers were hit.

Why do people still defend these animals? They should be shot, just like all threatening animals. Animals don't have rights.

If the Muslim community was SERIOUS about their so called image, which I doubt, they wouldn't be threatening other people or ignoring what the terrorists are doing.

Muslims shrug at the neck slicing of a hostage by their own kind, but get fired up over a fucking cartoon.

Religion of peace my ass. :mad:

Canada City']As much as Islam likes to believe they control the world, they don't.

They need to learn to respect other people's cultures, beliefs, religions (or lack of). However, according to the war dogma known as the Quran, that isn't going to happen.

After the past few years from 9/11 to war on Iraq, I have switched sides from defending the Muslim faith to seeing them as nothing more than bunch of murderers following the words of someone who slept with a six year old girl.

These people who follow the 'religion of peace' are hypocrites and liars. Burning down buildings, the protest signs in the UK, and palestines celebrating when the towers were hit.

Why do people still defend these animals? They should be shot, just like all threatening animals. Animals don't have rights.

If the Muslim community was SERIOUS about their so called image, which I doubt, they wouldn't be threatening other people or ignoring what the terrorists are doing.

Muslims shrug at the neck slicing of a hostage by their own kind, but get fired up over a fucking cartoon.

Religion of peace my ass. :mad:

Your my new lover....:cool:

You have basically summed up what I have been thinking about since September the 11th 2001.

Great post, I'm glad some people have brains that are strangled in politcally correct tape.

Your my new lover....:cool:

You have basically summed up what I have been thinking about since September the 11th 2001.

Great post, I'm glad some people have brains that are strangled in politcally correct tape.

Willing to move to Canada? ;)

Pssh, let them run the cartoons. It will only re-enforce the double-standard in their society; that we won't/can't riot over stuff like this but they can!

Canada City']As much as Islam likes to believe they control the world, they don't.
They need to learn to respect other people's cultures, beliefs, religions (or lack of). However, according to the war dogma known as the Quran, that isn't going to happen.
After the past few years from 9/11 to war on Iraq, I have switched sides from defending the Muslim faith to seeing them as nothing more than bunch of murderers following the words of someone who slept with a six year old girl.
These people who follow the 'religion of peace' are hypocrites and liars. Burning down buildings, the protest signs in the UK, and palestines celebrating when the towers were hit.
Why do people still defend these animals? They should be shot, just like all threatening animals. Animals don't have rights.
If the Muslim community was SERIOUS about their so called image, which I doubt, they wouldn't be threatening other people or ignoring what the terrorists are doing.
Muslims shrug at the neck slicing of a hostage by their own kind, but get fired up over a fucking cartoon.
Religion of peace my ass. :mad:
Respect people's religions by doing things like not posting racist cartoons?
Pick any religion you want, it has had its bad times, its genocidal wars, its massacres. Like I said earlier, 60 years ago, the Nazis were in Berlin and the KKK was in DC. Was Mao a Muslim? Stalin? Who killed off 98% of the native americans? Who raped Nanking? Not a Muslim. No one worships a "religion of war" but look at Guantanamo.

Canada City']As much as Islam likes to believe they control the world

Islam is a religion, not an entity. It has no beliefs.

Canada City']They need to learn to respect other people's cultures, beliefs, religions (or lack of).

Muslims do. Well ... most of us, anyway. It even says in Qur'an "To you be your Way and to me be mine".

Canada City']However, according to the war dogma known as the Quran, that isn't going to happen.

Only one chapter of Qur'an covers war. One out of 114 does not war dogma make.

Canada City']After the past few years from 9/11 to war on Iraq, I have switched sides from defending the Muslim faith to seeing them as nothing more than bunch of murderers following the words of someone who slept with a six year old girl.

I've never murdered anyone in my life, never will, and don't follow anyone who slept with a 6 year old girl.

Canada City']These people who follow the 'religion of peace' are hypocrites and liars.

From where I sit, that's something you need to use to refer to yourself because ...

Canada City']Burning down buildings

I've never burned down anything except the occasional bonfire.

Canada City']the protest signs in the UK

I don't live in the UK and have never held a protest sign in my life.

Canada City']and palestines celebrating when the towers were hit.

That's been debunked.

Canada City']Why do people still defend these animals?

I am a human being. I suppose that's a sort of animal.

Canada City']They should be shot, just like all threatening animals.

That is a threat against my life and is not only against the rules of this forum, but a federal crime.

Canada City']Animals don't have rights.

Good thing I'm not an animal.

Canada City']If the Muslim community was SERIOUS about their so called image, which I doubt, they wouldn't be threatening other people or ignoring what the terrorists are doing.

I've neither threatened others or ignored terrorists.

Canada City']Muslims shrug at the neck slicing of a hostage by their own kind, but get fired up over a fucking cartoon.

I do not shrug at beheadings because my own kind doesn't do that and I wouldn't exactly call my reaction to the cartoon "fired up".

Canada City']Religion of peace my ass. :mad:

I'll thank you to leave your ass in your pants where it belongs. At least pull your head out of it first, though.

Respect people's religions by doing things like not posting racist cartoons?
Pick any religion you want, it has had its bad times, its genocidal wars, its massacres. Like I said earlier, 60 years ago, the Nazis were in Berlin and the KKK was in DC. Was Mao a Muslim? Stalin? Who killed off 98% of the native americans? Who raped Nanking? Not a Muslim. No one worships a "religion of war" but look at Guantanamo.

OMG...the Nazis were not Christian! Hitler nor his top people were Christian. They were obsessed with Germanic-pagan-alien-Aryan-nordic theories.

Respect people's religions by doing things like not posting racist cartoons?
Pick any religion you want, it has had its bad times, its genocidal wars, its massacres. Like I said earlier, 60 years ago, the Nazis were in Berlin and the KKK was in DC. Was Mao a Muslim? Stalin? Who killed off 98% of the native americans? Who raped Nanking? Not a Muslim. No one worships a "religion of war" but look at Guantanamo.

Okay, first of all, the danish cartoon has some shitty drawing of some arab guy with a bomb instead of a turban.

Second, you think the muslims haven't been doing 'racist' ? They've been doing it for all, whether it is denying the holocaust to animated shorts about suicide bombings. There is also plenty of anti-jewish cartoons that sometimes even suggest that Nazis = Jews.

It's double standard, bitch. If you say fuck you, I can fuck you back.

And they are actually some people out there who believe Iran is ready for nuclear power. Right.

Canada City']Willing to move to Canada? ;)

Lol...Nah...America is my only home...plus I'm not Gay. lol (assuming your a guy)

Canada City']As much as Islam likes to believe they control the world, they don't.

They need to learn to respect other people's cultures, beliefs, religions (or lack of). However, according to the war dogma known as the Quran, that isn't going to happen.

After the past few years from 9/11 to war on Iraq, I have switched sides from defending the Muslim faith to seeing them as nothing more than bunch of murderers following the words of someone who slept with a six year old girl.

These people who follow the 'religion of peace' are hypocrites and liars. Burning down buildings, the protest signs in the UK, and palestines celebrating when the towers were hit.

Why do people still defend these animals? They should be shot, just like all threatening animals. Animals don't have rights.

If the Muslim community was SERIOUS about their so called image, which I doubt, they wouldn't be threatening other people or ignoring what the terrorists are doing.

Muslims shrug at the neck slicing of a hostage by their own kind, but get fired up over a fucking cartoon.

Religion of peace my ass. :mad:

I believe they refer to you as a NAZI. Religion is the opium of the masses, it is pure evil, and I mean all religion the prime cause of most war is religion or it at least has some aspect in any war. So I say stop with all this crap down with religion and lets live a world that has no crazy wound up loonies who argue about what religion is superior, because guess what THEY ARE ALL A BUNCH OF BS!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/02/07/cartoon.protests/index.html

Holocaust cartoons? First Jew had NOTHING to do with those Muhammad cartoons in Denmark. Second mocking the murder of 11 million people (6 million were Jews) seems a little different than making fun of a religion for being violent that has some fanatical elements that are on Jihad. This is the response a 5 year old would have. We should just ignore it. We just need to make sure nobody does anything stupid in response to this and they might just shut up. I'm beginning to think that those fanatics may not be in the minority. I don't want to believe that but this whole thing has got me questioning the "it's just a few radicals" philosophy...:confused:
Everytime you complain about this new development, they're winning. It's exactly what they want and you're giving it right to them.

"Oh my God! GASP! How could they make fun of THAT?!"

Then whole point of free speech is that unless it is extended to everyone ... even offensive arsholes ... then it has no value.

The current Iranian President is a nutcase ... we all know that. The best thing we can do is ignore everything he says that doesn't involve building nukes. He is acting this way to provoke a reaction from the West and from Jews, to strenghten his power base at home.

I believe they refer to you as a NAZI. Religion is the opium of the masses, it is pure evil, and I mean all religion the prime cause of most war is religion or it at least has some aspect in any war. So I say stop with all this crap down with religion and lets live a world that has no crazy wound up loonies who argue about what religion is superior, because guess what THEY ARE ALL A BUNCH OF BS!

Shhh...go read your little marxist bed time stories.

I hereby condemn the actions of Hamshahri and call for a global boycott of it and anyone who does business with it or continues to advertise within its pages with knowledge of this blasphemy.

(See? I can do it, too!)

Thanks for reminding me! Does anyone know of any Danish Seafood markets that ship direct?

What if it showed the pope in a KKK hood, after Muslim countries had invaded Italy, Spain and France?

EDIT: In Europe, racist attitudes towards Muslims have led to the population becoming poor, dissaffected with the current system, and desparate for something better, which, like Palestine and Iraq do, provides a breeding ground for extremism.
of course the muslims did invade spain and italy and at least sent large raiding parties into france... granted it was 1000 years ago give or take(okay maybe more 800ish)

Shhh...go read your little marxist bed time stories.
No its only 8:34pm here in Calgary, maybe in a hour or two, but mean while go shopping and spend all that evil fascist money you have at http://www.judaism.com/ :) americas jewish bookstore.

I'll thank you to leave your ass in your pants where it belongs. At least pull your head out of it first, though.
I second everything you just said.

I hereby declare a jihad against asshattery.

No its only 8:34pm here in Calgary, maybe in a hour or two, but mean while go shopping and spend all that evil fascist money you have at http://www.judaism.com/ :) americas jewish bookstore.

What is the point you are trying to make here?

I totally missed it, seriously.

What is the point you are trying to make here?

I totally missed it, seriously.
comrade i being completely random today, sorry im in that kind of mood

comrade i being completely random today, sorry im in that kind of mood

Dont call me comrade, I'm not a Soviet and neither are you, I'm an American.

OMG...the Nazis were not Christian! Hitler nor his top people were Christian. They were obsessed with Germanic-pagan-alien-Aryan-nordic theories.
no but most of the people who served under them were, the people who actually killed the 6 million jews, who actually goosestep their way through the burned out capitals of europe. the little cadre of leaders were a mixed bag religiously, but the rank and file nazis were overwhelmingly christian.

So making rash generalizations about 1 billion people is better than making fun of 11 million who were killed because of rash generalizations? In Germany it started with cartoons, look at where it ended up.
Yes because the dissemination of propaganda under a totalitarian regime and the random thoughts floating around in a culture that accepts dissent are so similar.

Please, if the muslims hadn't been doing far worse than the cartoons ever single fucking day for the past 50 years or more, maybe they'd have some shred of credibility with which to approach the cartoons. But since they didn't, I still don't care.

Everything the cartoons ridiculed, every stereotype that describes them as an irrational, violent people devoid of any insight or creativity, is revealed as more true that it should be for a species with the potential of ours.

Dont call me comrade, I'm not a Soviet and neither are you, I'm an American.
sorry fascist didnt mean to be friendly:confused: also comrade refers to a fellow human (the way i see it), or in some cases (not yours) a fellow member of the communist party

Yes because the dissemination of propaganda under a totalitarian regime and the random thoughts floating around in a culture that accepts dissent are so similar.

Please, if the muslims hadn't been doing far worse than the cartoons ever single fucking day for the past 50 years or more, maybe they'd have some shred of credibility with which to approach the cartoons. But since they didn't, I still don't care.

Everything the cartoons ridiculed, every stereotype that describes them as an irrational, violent people devoid of any insight or creativity, is revealed as more true that it should be for a species with the potential of ours.
And everytime they declare us to be racists, ignorants, and bigots, I find it harder and harder to deny that as I look down on people like you.

Generalizing people like you are the reason why people died on 9/11.

YOU caused 9/11.

And you're not making life any easier for American troops in Iraq.

Dont call me comrade, I'm not a Soviet and neither are you, I'm an American.
comrade is not a russian word. its origin is actually spanish, from the word for room mate or barracks mate. it was first used in radical circle in the french revolution and was first used in the english leftist community to replace mister or sir which were considered classist in the late 19th century, when revolutionaries in russia were still considered poor country cousins in the west.

YOU caused 9/11.


Thank you Colodia for making the worst post in the history of NS. What caused 9-11 was the intolerance held by most Muslims. They have Christians and Jews long before Israel was established.

We can print whatever the hell we damn well want in a newspaper. The Muslims print blood libel all the time.
http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Offensive_Cartoons.asp
They print this shit daily and I haven't seen any Jews burn down Arab embassies. If we responded to every anti-semitic cartoon as the Muslims have responded to these 12 cartoons, then the Muslim world would be a parking lot.

http://www.adl.org/main_Arab_World/as_arabmedia_lebanon_03_05.htm

I don't recall the Egyptian embassies being burned after this one.

Thank you Colodia for making the worst post in the history of NS. What caused 9-11 was the intolerance held by most Muslims. They have Christians and Jews long before Israel was established.

We can print whatever the hell we damn well want in a newspaper. The Muslims print blood libel all the time.
http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Offensive_Cartoons.asp
They print this shit daily and I haven't seen any Jews burn down Arab embassies. If we responded to every anti-semitic cartoon as the Muslims have responded to these 12 cartoons, then the Muslim world would be a parking lot.

http://www.adl.org/main_Arab_World/as_arabmedia_lebanon_03_05.htm

I don't recall the Egyptian embassies being burned after this one.
Oh how I wish such a title could be owned by me.

Alas, this is the man you want:

Canada City']As much as Islam likes to believe they control the world, they don't.

They need to learn to respect other people's cultures, beliefs, religions (or lack of). However, according to the war dogma known as the Quran, that isn't going to happen.

After the past few years from 9/11 to war on Iraq, I have switched sides from defending the Muslim faith to seeing them as nothing more than bunch of murderers following the words of someone who slept with a six year old girl.

These people who follow the 'religion of peace' are hypocrites and liars. Burning down buildings, the protest signs in the UK, and palestines celebrating when the towers were hit.

Why do people still defend these animals? They should be shot, just like all threatening animals. Animals don't have rights.

If the Muslim community was SERIOUS about their so called image, which I doubt, they wouldn't be threatening other people or ignoring what the terrorists are doing.

Muslims shrug at the neck slicing of a hostage by their own kind, but get fired up over a fucking cartoon.

Religion of peace my ass. :mad:

See, the more people like him voice their unintelligent, ignorant, and intolerant opinions about Islam, the more people will witness and grow up seeing a warped version of the West, a West that does not like Muslims and rathers that they are all dead. What do you do to people who want to kill you?

They won't give you another chance to explain yourself. That WAS your chance. People using up their opportunity to reach out and ending up doing this just fuels the Middle-East anger over there, and therefore it'll come right back around and hit us in the back of the head soon enough.

And everytime they declare us to be racists, ignorants, and bigots, I find it harder and harder to deny that as I look down on people like you.

Generalizing people like you are the reason why people died on 9/11.

YOU caused 9/11.

And you're not making life any easier for American troops in Iraq.
Haha. Yeah. Now there's some credibility. They are xenophobic racist massmurders. That is the chief export of their culture. There is no deying that.

But I'm the murderer, not the people who did the murdering, not the communities that nurtured them, not those those who contributed resources, money and shelter. Me, the person who's opinion was cast as a result of THEIR actions. So when someones like me irradiate their world, and spread failed pesticides, and the most malicious microbes the might of our intellect could concieve upon their homes and cities, it will be they who killed themselves, after all.

But you're right. I will be happy to watch the robots scoop up the irradiated remains of their world that was live on CNN. I'll be eating a cheeseburger, with bacon, shouting Allah Ackbar, and laughing. But only if they don't choose peace, and they won't. If they are anything, they are predictable in that aspect. Aren't they?

Haha. Yeah. Now there's some credibility. They are xenophobic racist massmurders. That is the chief export of their culture. There is no deying that.

But I'm the murderer, not the people who did the murdering, not the communities that nurtured them, not those those who contributed resources, money and shelter. Me, the person who's opinion was cast as a result of THEIR actions. So when someones like me irradiate their world, and spread failed pesticides, and the most malicious microbes the might of our intellect could concieve upon their homes and cities, it will be they who killed themselves, after all.

But you're right. I will be happy to watch the robots scoop up the irradiated remains of their world that was live on CNN. I'll be eating a cheeseburger, with bacon, shouting Allah Ackbar, and laughing. But only if they don't choose peace, and they won't. If they are anything, they are predictable in that aspect. Aren't they?Yeah, no. No. I'm sure as hell not taking that.

Thank you Colodia for making the worst post in the history of NS. What caused 9-11 was the intolerance held by most Muslims. They have Christians and Jews long before Israel was established.

We can print whatever the hell we damn well want in a newspaper. The Muslims print blood libel all the time.
http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Offensive_Cartoons.asp
They print this shit daily and I haven't seen any Jews burn down Arab embassies. If we responded to every anti-semitic cartoon as the Muslims have responded to these 12 cartoons, then the Muslim world would be a parking lot.

http://www.adl.org/main_Arab_World/as_arabmedia_lebanon_03_05.htm

I don't recall the Egyptian embassies being burned after this one.

though i don't generally agree with much idf posts, he is right. the arab world has taken up, and uncritically reprinted much of the now thoroughly discreditted european antisemitic literature of the last several centuries. what is now limitted in the west to the ravings of fringe groups is taken up as truth by major often government owned media outlets in the muslim world. its no fluke that iran picks the holocaust to mock in reaction to the danish cartoons(or maybe its because the scandinavians were thwe only occupied country to effectively resist the nazi extermination of the jews).

So making rash generalizations about 1 billion people is better than making fun of 11 million who were killed because of rash generalizations? In Germany it started with cartoons, look at where it ended up.
Yes it really actually is much, much worse. On many, many levels. If you don't see that then you are so blinded by your PCness that any attempt at getting you to think rationally woul be much like convincing the Christians around here that there is no God.

THe Danes did a good job resisting the Nazis IIRC. They worked to save their Jewish population.

We are the superior culture.
And you demonstrate this in such an inferior manner.

I hereby declare a jihad against asshattery.

Hooray!

Jihad Asshattery! Jihad Asshattery!

No but it would be halarious if they played this on tv!

They would get my vote

http://dodashitler.ytmnd.com/ (its hitlerific)

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/02/07/cartoon.protests/index.html

Holocaust cartoons? First Jew had NOTHING to do with those Muhammad cartoons in Denmark. Second mocking the murder of 11 million people (6 million were Jews) seems a little different than making fun of a religion for being violent that has some fanatical elements that are on Jihad. This is the response a 5 year old would have. We should just ignore it. We just need to make sure nobody does anything stupid in response to this and they might just shut up. I'm beginning to think that those fanatics may not be in the minority. I don't want to believe that but this whole thing has got me questioning the "it's just a few radicals" philosophy...:confused:

It's amazing how some cartoons in the media can make you change your mind and condemn a whole religion.

And a 5 year old would not ignore it. A 5 year old would either hit the person, or cry like a baby, or both. Ironically this is not so different from your response.

In the name of Allah, most Merciful, most Compassionate:

Any Muslim worth his or her salt does not really concern themselves with their image to anyone except Allah. No exceptions. "All praise is due to Allah alone, Lord of all the worlds." (Qur'an 1:2)

To redress the cartoon issue by doing the same in return is seeking a worldly reaction (be it praise or condemnation) and is, therefore, blasphemy. "O you who believe! Enter perfectly in Islâm (by obeying all the rules and regulations of the Islâmic religion) and follow not the footsteps of Shaitân (Satan). Verily! He is to you a plain enemy." (Qur'an 2:208)

I hereby condemn the actions of Hamshahri and call for a global boycott of it and anyone who does business with it or continues to advertise within its pages with knowledge of this blasphemy.

(See? I can do it, too!)

Take off the (), and you have a perfect Fatwa.

Iran doesn't have free speech, so their cartoons are pretty pointless. It defends something they loath.

Well if your religion has quite a fanatical wing, no matter how small it is, it's only natural that the moderate majority bears the brunt of criticism for the troublesome deeds of their fanatical few.

Let's see...do Muslims think this will help their image? While I am sure that there are exceptions, Muslims as a whole don't appear to bother to think too often. Their reactions to anything that offends them is murder-death-kill. Kind of like orcs. "Me no like Westerners! They not like us. Me blow dem up, kill kill kill!"

I'm getting rather tired of that entire religion. It seems to be dominated by a rather savage, atavistic element. Look at the rape and murder in Darfur, the beheadings, the riots over headscarves, and now the jihad against cartoons.

Let's see...do Muslims think this will help their image? While I am sure that there are exceptions, Muslims as a whole don't appear to bother to think too often. Their reactions to anything that offends them is murder-death-kill. Kind of like orcs. "Me no like Westerners! They not like us. Me blow dem up, kill kill kill!"

I'm getting rather tired of that entire religion. It seems to be dominated by a rather savage, atavistic element. Look at the rape and murder in Darfur, the beheadings, the riots over headscarves, and now the jihad against cartoons.
More like 40K orcs, LOTR orcs actually seem to recognise the greater power and serve it.

Let's see...do Muslims think this will help their image? While I am sure that there are exceptions, Muslims as a whole don't appear to bother to think too often. Their reactions to anything that offends them is murder-death-kill. Kind of like orcs. "Me no like Westerners! They not like us. Me blow dem up, kill kill kill!"

Right. While I'm sure there are exceptions, Americans as a whole don't appear to think too often. Their reactions to anything that offends them is murder-death-kill. Kind of like orcs. "Me no like Iraq! They not like us. Me invade their country, replace their government, impose our political system, occupy the nation for an indefinite period of time!"

And remember, killing 30 thousand in a war is perfectly reasonable, but drawing a cartoon is evil.

I'm getting rather tired of that entire religion. It seems to be dominated by a rather savage, atavistic element. Look at the rape and murder in Darfur, the beheadings, the riots over headscarves, and now the jihad against cartoons.

Oh NO! Not a jihad against CARTOONS!

People like you just make things worse by proving the fanatics right.

More like 40K orcs, LOTR orcs actually seem to recognise the greater power and serve it.

What's hilarious is hearing them bitch over the Palestinian situation, and how Israel is drawing final borders on its own. In 2000, Bill Clinton brokered a peace deal that would have given the Palestinians most of their land back. But no, that wasn't good enough, the Pals turned their backs on diplomacy and decided to try and win land against Israel--which is several times as powerful as them--by force. And now they lost, and they're doing what Muslims do best, which is whining and claiming they are victims.

It would be like me going to some country tavern, and then running afoul of their local, ex Green Beret arm-wrestling champion. He offers to settle with a game of poker, but no, I go off and demand to wrestle him. And when I get pwned, whose fault is it?

Right. While I'm sure there are exceptions, Americans as a whole don't appear to think too often. Their reactions to anything that offends them is murder-death-kill. Kind of like orcs. "Me no like Iraq! They not like us. Me invade their country, replace their government, impose our political system, occupy the nation for an indefinite period of time!"

And remember, killing 30 thousand in a war is perfectly reasonable, but drawing a cartoon is evil.

I don't support the war in Irag. I think Saddam Hussein was doing a fine job of keeping his Muslim population under control. Under his leadership, the Iraqi people managed to enter the Industrial Age, and enjoy a much higher standard of living than people have in most Muslim countries. I'm not nominating the man for sainthood, mind you, but it took a heavy hand to keep that country out of the Middle Ages.

So making rash generalizations about 1 billion people is better than making fun of 11 million who were killed because of rash generalizations? In Germany it started with cartoons, look at where it ended up.


Nope, it started with the ending of ww1

Uh just going to say this as an odd observation.

I'm currently in a school for a weapon system in the navy. We have 2 dudes who follow islam in the class. They are polar oppisits. One is mellow and understands that lot of the things that are put in religion are just dogmas to tell people how they should act. He follows all the rules that make since and trys to live his life the best way he can. As a matter of fact I'm pretty good friends with him. On the other hand we have this other guy who is a nut job. He stated if it was not aginst his religion he would go to Isreal and blow him self up. He states all sorts of kill the jews and we have told people about him but the command does not want to listen. He mentioned the cartoon and how the Danish people should die and burn in hell blah blah blah. Their seems to be a divide in the religion. Where half the people are decent human beings who try to live their lives and the other half are crazy nut jobs who try to use religion as an excuse to run peoples lives. *cough*christiansalso*cough* I've tried my best to keep an open mind about the Muslim religion. I've read books and tried to understand them better. But that area of the world is so fucked up and has so much control over what the muslim religion has become that its hard for any peaceful muslim to say "hey I'm not nuts". The saddest part of all this, is the fact that all 3 major religions involved, Christians, Jewish, and Islamic all belive in the same god and most of the same prophits yet they fight each other for what reason? Ah well I will never claim to understand any of it.

Your my new lover....:cool:

You have basically summed up what I have been thinking about since September the 11th 2001.

Great post, I'm glad some people have brains that are strangled in politcally correct tape.
Muslims are people too. I oppose any violent system based on attacking a specific religious belief...I favor crushing...not decimating but completely eliminating people who use violence in response to free speech. Once you utterly wipe out a violent group maybe the others will follow Gandhi and MLK and stage nonviolent protests.

Nope, it started with the ending of ww1
No it started 2000 years ago when Rome sacked Jerusalem and the diaspora began.