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What are your opinions on the US & China going to war. Will it happen? Who do you think will win? Would it just be between the two or would more nations interfere. Who would join in the war and who's side? Tell me your thoughts on war with China. My opinion is yes they will go to war due to Tawain. Europe will interfere on the US side and Russia will not help its ally China. The airforce of the US will easily take out China yet there could be a chance of a Nuclear Bomb in both nations.

No one wins when innocent people die.


Innocent people are garunteed to die in any battle.


So no one will win.

No one wins when innocent people die.


Innocent people are garunteed to die in any battle.


So no one will win.


pffff...... innocence *scoffs*

pffff...... innocence *scoffs*
The children... think of the children!

So long as both have nuclear capacity, war is unlikely.

pffff...... innocence *scoffs*


You can't honestly say that the soldiers on any side of any battle are truly responsible for anything done "by their country."

It won't happen. China's economy has recently begun to thrive. A war with the USA would send them back to the 1930s economically. No big cities, no factories, no ports for shipping, ruined railroads. Nuclear war ain't no joke.

So long as both have nuclear capacity, war is unlikely.

We should be worried about them, did you know the chinese governent thinks a war between the US and China is inevitable. The US needs to slow its trade with China and aim on someone else. And do you think if the war happen Russia would ally with China?

Chinas economy is the major player here. Since most countries have ties in this area with the US and China, i would say that it would just be these two nations going at it. Most other nations will be staying out of it hoping that the chinas economy dosent fold.

We should be worried about them, did you know the chinese governent thinks a war between the US and China is inevitable. The US needs to slow its trade with China and aim on someone else. And do you think if the war happen Russia would ally with China?
I doubt it would happen.

China stands to gain more economically if it doesn't declare war on the US; they're providing cheap products and a home for corperate outsourcers.

Further, the US wouldn't go to war with China simply because they'd be horribly outnumbered even with their equipment.

You can't honestly say that the soldiers on any side of any battle are truly responsible for anything done "by their country."

I was joking

The children... think of the children!

god bless Helen Lovejoy

Good post drunk commies, im thinking the same way.

I don't think so. The EU would probably ally with the US and Russia isn't as powerfull as she once was. Plus, it would gurantee her destruction, and the Russian economy isn't strong enough to support a total war. The Chinese have the problem of no navy, they would never be able to invade the US, so they would have to be very carefull about waging war. A victory from them would require a full nuclear attack on the US, or a full economic blockade to keep us out of war, but that would injure them as well as they would lose their market. The US technology would give us a huge edge, but numbers have a quality all of their own. It would either be a short-sharp fight, or a very long drawn out war. Nuclear weapons are highly likely, but more likely in a tactical perspective, using them to destroy troops, not cities at first, but it would most likely quickly expand to hitting them as well. Most likely a draw or mutual destruction.

Whatever the outcome it wouldn't be pretty.

One: I hope no war between thw two nations ever happen.

Two: where would the fighting take place. China sure as hell cant ship troops to the US and the only other plausible place would be Taiwan (but China does have like a quarter of their nukes aimed at it)

Third: Next, come on numbers! chinese troops though well trained dont have the fast communications that US troops have (which they recently have realized and are trying to fix) or the equipment quality of US troops. Also along with Air Superiority cause the Chinese use the Mig series which hasnt been able to compare to a US fighter jet since the F-15 Eagle was created way back. Also, Naval power cause the US has submarines that patrol chinese waters undetected all the time who play "stealth tag" with their ships. And to those who dont know wat stealth tag is its where the sub follow a ship where ever it goes and when it reaches port they torpedo tag it and when the Ship detects a torpedo threat they make themselves visible for a few seconds then disappear. I mean the war would be tough but a US vs China confrontation would be on the favor of the US...remember the Chinese have trouble feeding its nation and trying to supply its army would be hard enough...however we have to remeber that the Chinese have a Communist stlye government that can launch a nuke if they choose real quick while in the US though the president would have emergency powers the launching of a nuke would be the last thing anybody in the US government would want. Lets just pray there is no war, i have a father who is in the US Army.....

No way infact i think this is a dumb idea. We have too many problems in other places, right now China isn't even an issue. (but maybe later) China's economy is just starting to grow,and their moving away from communism slowly. Who we should be talking about is North Korea or Iran. Lets forget about China for now.


No one wins when innocent people die.


Innocent people are garunteed to die in any battle.


So no one will win.
WOW!!! What a nice world you live in. :rolleyes:

what’s all this talk of Russia even during the cold war China and the soviet union were at each others throats WWIII almost broke out during many skirmishes and I think border skirmishes are still happening today so if anything Russia will be helping America in this which will:

1) cut Chinas supply of weapons

2) create a large front which China could never hope to cover

3) cut Chinas spare parts and ammo which will seriously degrade the military ability of China

other problems for China are:

1) possibly Vietnam joining Russia

2) N.Korea will be Chinas only ally in the war (though N.Korea might not get involved if China is the aggressor)

3) the lack of airpower

4) lack of weapons (rifles are still the main weapon in the Chinese army a draft would mean fighting with swords)

5) lack of supplies due to no resource rich nations siding with China

6) lack of support in the western provinces who already want to leave the republic

7) loss of commercial markets

8) loss of factorys and power plants to bombing which would plunge China back to the Middle ages

so the war as I see it would be a quick one with Chinas government being toppled quickly and the army falling to pieces under its own weight of numbers

China would get its ass handed to it in a war. They have a shaky, dysfuctional export-dependent economy that is unable to either sustain itself or provide widespread economic benefit, with the result being that a war would render them utterly unable to sustain their military in the field. They would also lack the ability to mobilize on a large scale, and given the huge instability, poverty, and decay in rural China it is not unlikely that they would collapse in to civil war.

Short memories people.

Clinton handed our asses over to them a while back.

Clinton was up for treason, when he got caught screwing Lewinsky. His election campaign got caught taking millions from the Red Chinese and the State Dept. let the money man go back to China to halt the investigation.

Bill Clinton granted the Chinese access to Oak Ridge and Los Alamos documents, Neutron Bomb plans. There was a firestorm of controversy in the United States over allegations that China stole secrets from the U.S. national nuclear research laboratory in Los Alamos, N.M., and used them to miniaturize its warheads.

http://www.beyond-the-illusion.com/files/Government/Executive-Branch/Clinton/Clinton-Files/0161.txt

Since we had banned Neutron bomb development back in 1978 the Chinese will easily wipe us out.

We're spread too thin as it is, if Korea pushes South we're committed there.

If China pushes East we can't be in four places at once.

The Clinton downsizing of the military and appeasement policy towards Chinese aggression have pretty much sunk us before we start.

P.S. The Chinese Navy is building its first of three planned supercarriers in Dalian. They also have begun producing a 'Multirole Aviation Ship'. As well as have aquired old unfinished Russian carriers which can be quickly fitted out for service. These are all offensive weapon systems used to project power.
With the completion of Three Gorges Dam, they now have the power to complete these and other projects. With the gift of favored nation status from Clinton they also have American consumer dollars to finance and American technology at their disposal.
Chinas military outclasses us in size, resources and the abiity to bring the latest tech to the field of battle in numbers.

And there where China's weakness is....there dams....destroy those and the population starves and their lands are flooded. Famine once again begins in China like is has done a million times and BAM!!! People revolt, revolt spreads, government is hold up on how to act, cause they sure as hell dont want another massarce on their hands like before. CHINESE naval power come on! The Japanese would side with us and not allow any ships to get past their waters with their Defense Forces cause their so well trained.

I think some people might have read wrong what i asked or i might have wrote it wrong but i did not mean the US going to war with China. I ment China getting tired of America and declaring war on them. Also, China is currently spending 3 times as much money then expected building a new navy. Even with this navy, i doubt it would have affect with the US airforce and Navy keeping us safe. And our army may not be as large, but im more than sure they can out do china's army. Just some facts out of the World Almanac

USA
Pop: 300 million 3rd Highest In World
GDP 11.8 Trillion 1st Highest In World
Defense Budget: 460.5 billion 1st Highest In World
Active Troops: 1.5 million 2nd/3rd Highest In World

China
Pop: 1.3 billion
GDP: 7.3 Trillion 2nd Highest In World
Defense Budget: 25 billion
Active Troops: 2.2 million

And also i do agree that there are more worries with war with N.Korea and Iran but China is still showing that they can be a threat and are somthing to worry about. Thanks for all the post.:)

China's nuclear capacity isnt all that great... At first glance it looks impressive, 2,000 nuclear warheads. But look closer... over 97% are used on delivery systems not capable of hitting the US! They only have 12 CSS-4 Ballistic Missiles, which are basicilly copies of our old Titan-2s: Single 5 megaton warhead, has no 'hard target'(IE:missile silo's, underground bunkers(like Cheyenne) capabilities what-so-ever. Would do a city or airbase in pretty nicely... but thats it. But those CSS-4s are in silos out in the open. A little more then a dozen(to make up for duds) GBU-27(AKA:'Bunker Buster') smart bombs delivered by F-117s would do them in nicely. The Chinese also operate a single Ballistic Missile Submarine. It carries 12 JL-1 SLBMs, 200-300 kilitons, again, suffers from poor accuracy. However, the boomer has NEVER left its home waters, and from there the missiles can BARELY reach Hawaii. Even more, the thing will definitely be either A: Sunk by US Submarine(the thing makes so noise, tracking it is liking trying to track a single blindman in the middle of a empty parking lot) or B: Sunk by reactor accident(it was rumored thats how a rumored second Chinese SSBN died). The rest of their nukes are either A: Tactical ones mounted on missiles incapable of reaching the US, or B: Are based on bombers... and we all know how well THAT would work.

In short, the Chinese nuke arsenal isnt all THAT much to worry about. I would be more concerned about their conventional Army and Airforce.

Id go with no one cause if we did go to war with them we would all end up nuking each other and BTW (PPL WIN WARS EVE IF CIVIES DIE):sniper: :mp5: :sniper: :mp5: :sniper: :gundge: :headbang:



But you take nukes out.....You have one hell of a fight they have the man power advantage. we have the tech Advantage. But i think it would be more of an air force war than army war.. cause marching in to china is suicide.

Now if all the asian countrys join forces WERE ALL SCREWED>>



(SINGS) ITS THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And there where China's weakness is....there dams....destroy those and the population starves and their lands are flooded. Famine once again begins in China like is has done a million times and BAM!!! People revolt, revolt spreads, government is hold up on how to act, cause they sure as hell dont want another massarce on their hands like before. CHINESE naval power come on! The Japanese would side with us and not allow any ships to get past their waters with their Defense Forces cause their so well trained.
Thats probably the most logical.but if japan stepped in would Korea???

WOW!!! What a nice world you live in. :rolleyes:

Well what he is saying is true. Civilian casualties are impossible to avoid, but its best to reduce them as low as possible.

oh ok i thought he was being a person saying ig some one dies evey one loses

Thats probably the most logical.but if japan stepped in would Korea???

Korea would not. They are still pretty angry over the Japanese invasion pre-WWII which caused the pennisula to seperate into 2. Also, China is one of South Korea's largest trading partner. In fact, South Korea's economy is becoming more and more dependent on China's. I don't know about the government, but most Korean people are more friendly with the Chinese than the Japanese, even if they've got the US on their side.

What i belive is that a Another major world war will occur ending the current world order (it will happen).

Russia will not help the US why?, Russia hates the US still and russia has one of the most courrpt soceities in the world. China will go to war with the US Europe(most of the world (Even the UK) hates the US because of iraq so everyone will strike at the chance to remove it,the Talibans,Europeans,other middle-easterners,Japan,Maybe NK will pretend to step in,basicly, everyone will attempt the once-thought-impossible) will most probaly stay out of confrantation but will end up backing china, resulting in not just a world war the Ultimate war...at least for a few hundred years...
anyways 3 outcomes will occur:
1)the Supreme powers will nuke each other
2)China will use secert technology agansit the americans (they are getting help from japan here!)
3)China will be crushed by the US but the US will fall apart and go into a civil war and the federal government will cease to exist

the US is doomed as far as i see, the US is the first Modern Free society it is doomed to fail from the start...(even the founding fathers anticapted it would collapse) im sorry but there is no hope for the americans...But none for the rest of it...
sorry if i scare anyone...

Korea would not. They are still pretty angry over the Japanese invasion pre-WWII which caused the pennisula to seperate into 2. Also, China is one of South Korea's largest trading partner. In fact, South Korea's economy is becoming more and more dependent on China's. I don't know about the government, but most Korean people are more friendly with the Chinese than the Japanese, even if they've got the US on their side.
Weird... I actually think the crazy KIM JONG IL dude would attack china and the us only cause he like to show power

What i belive is that a Another major world war will occur ending the current world order (it will happen).

Russia will not help the US why?, Russia hates the US still and russia has one of the most courrpt soceities in the world. China will go to war with the US Europe will most probaly stay out of confrantation but will end up backing china, resulting in not just a world war the Ultimate war...at least for a few hundred years...
anyways 3 outcomes will occur:
1)the Supreme powers will nuke each other
2)China will use secert technology agansit the americans (they are getting help from japan here!)
3)China will be crushed by the US but the US will fall apart and go into a civil war and the federal government

the US is doomed as far as i see, the US is the first Modern Free society it is doomed to fail from the start...(even the founding fathers anticapted it would collapse) im sorry but there is no hope for the americans...But none for the rest of it...
sorry if i scare anyone... 1 japan would not help china cause remeber in the 1930,s they attacked china. 2 no asian country gets along.

1 japan would not help china cause remeber in the 1930,s they attacked china. 2 no asian country gets along.
not neccasarily true anymore the MIDDLE-EAST doesn't get along Asia does now(They realize if they combine forces nothing is really impossible) and japan would help dispose of the US(the US Destroyed AND nuked them that has to overrule them invading china!)

1 japan would not help china cause remeber in the 1930,s they attacked china. 2 no asian country gets along.

Japan will if it will lead to the downfall of the US, and give them Hawaii along with all the area they were going for in WWII.

Chinese and Japan still hate each other from the 30's... remember the Nanking Massacre(or was it Shanghai?)? Yeah... they're still bitter about it.

Anyways, Russia is more likely to help US then China, they STILL have territorial disputes over their border! By all means, Mongolia shouldnt even EXIST!

[QUOTE=Red Tide2]Chinese and Japan still hate each other from the 30's... remember the Nanking Massacre(or was it Shanghai?)? Yeah... they're still bitter about it.
QUOTE]

China would cooperate with the Japanese if it will bring the downfall of the States. (FYI, it WAS the Nanking Massacre. The Chinese people are still grieving over that, and the government's using it as a MAJOR propaganda selling point.)

Then, once China and Japan finishes the US, they would turn on each other, and the second half of hell breaks loose.

What i belive is that a Another major world war will occur ending the current world order (it will happen).

Russia will not help the US why?, Russia hates the US still and russia has one of the most courrpt soceities in the world. China will go to war with the US Europe(most of the world (Even the UK) hates the US because of iraq so everyone will strike at the chance to remove it,the Talibans,Europeans,other middle-easterners,Japan,Maybe NK will pretend to step in,basicly, everyone will attempt the once-thought-impossible) will most probaly stay out of confrantation but will end up backing china, resulting in not just a world war the Ultimate war...at least for a few hundred years...
anyways 3 outcomes will occur:
1)the Supreme powers will nuke each other
2)China will use secert technology agansit the americans (they are getting help from japan here!)
3)China will be crushed by the US but the US will fall apart and go into a civil war and the federal government will cease to exist

the US is doomed as far as i see, the US is the first Modern Free society it is doomed to fail from the start...(even the founding fathers anticapted it would collapse) im sorry but there is no hope for the americans...But none for the rest of it...
sorry if i scare anyone...


Your crazy, without the US the world would be in disorder due to loss in trade and eveyrhting else the US has for the world. We are the most technoligical advanced nation in the world and there is no way China has any chance of defeating the USA, I dont mind people commenting but lets think more realistic here. YOUR CRAZY. I sure hope you don't live in the US.

WW 3 wont happen between China and America, China has caved they are becomming capitalist.
It will be Europe VS America.