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What do you think of Muslims in your country???

What do you think of Muslims in your country???

Edit: THERE ARE MUSLIMS IN MY COUNTRY? WHO LET THEM IN?

I haven't met most of them. As a group I regard them as a religious group, many of whose members have socially conservative views.

Eh, I don't mind having them in the USA, and as long as they respect me, and my property, I'll respect them and their property.

Like any group of people, some are great, some are not.

It'll sure be nice when people evolve out of thinking in absolutes and collectives.

Maybe Philosophy should be mandatory education.

I generally avoid thinking of them as Muslims and instead as fellow human beings. Does that answer your question?

I don't generally think of them at all afaik. They probably don't think of me either, so it's only fair.

I had no choice but to select "i have no view on them", since, regardless of how I view their religion (and religion in general), I refuse to adopt an identical opinion of every muslim.

http://www.sorrynorwaydenmark.com/

well, in my opinion regardless of the above website, the muslims need to grow up

Really don't care either way.

I don't know any so I'm not even sure if they really exist.

Whatever....

http://www.sorrynorwaydenmark.com/

well, in my opinion regardless of the above website, the muslims need to grow up

Has anybody read the guest Book on this?

Err.. they're okay, I guess. No different from anyone else here, really. Don't really give them a second thought in everyday life, though there's always something on the news about the Aussie Muslims. We have a few extremist clerics bashing about, but we've got extremist arseclowns from every other major religion, so they fit in too, I guess.

I assume most of them are decent people and some of them are terrorists and terrorist sympathizers. Since I haven't met too many of them I clicked
"I have no view on them"

One of my friends in high school was a muslim, his whole family was very devout. However, he was a drug dealer through and through. Sold heroine and weed right in the school. That was a sad affair.

Other than that muslims are just like all other religious practicians. No better, no worse.

This is what I think of Muslims in America. Back during the 1st gulf war I was in proximity to a grad student working on WS2 material for the Airforce. He was from Iran, older, late 30s. He told me a story about how he was walking down the street someone said "Why don't you go back where you came from, asshole!" He, for some reason asked me what he should do, we'd barely ever spoken primarily because we were doing different things in labs in same part of building. So I rhetorically asked him, "You're here legally right." (How the hell would he be where he was if he wasn't?) He volunteers that he's a citizen. I told him the proper response was, "Fuck you, I'm an American you hillbilly." And that's the last (and maybe 3rd) time I spoke to him.

Mostly you are who you decide you are and say you are. In my experience, that's pretty universal.

Muslims as a whole seem alright, but this god damn cartoon thing is re-fucking-diculous. a major leader was quated as saying "Islam is a religion of peace. It insists that all other religions and faiths should be respected," he told the crowd. "Nobody has the right to insult Islam and hurt the feelings of Muslims."

newsflash cockbite! PEACEFUL and BURNING DOWN EMBASSIES DO NOT GO HAND IN HAND! I love how they can make all sorts of fucked up claims like 'not believing in allah makes you an infidel who should die' but we cant even draw a picture. I hate to sound like a fascist (because i believe everyone should have a chance at equality, but these fuckers blew theirs.) but we really need someone to put these protests down. HARD.
oh and for the record. FUCK MOHAMMED AND FUCK PEOPLE WHO CAN"T TAKE A GODSBEDAMNED JOKE.

minus the swearing i kinda agree

There're enough muslims in the country where i live at the moment, and compared to what I'm used to, these muslims don't give the best representation of what they are like overall. Its just seems that on average there is a particular type of muslim that's attracted to the netherlands, i don't know... I mean, I lived in Saudi Arabia and the muslims there were so different...

FUCK MOHAMMED AND FUCK PEOPLE WHO CAN"T TAKE A GODSBEDAMNED JOKE.

Yup, thats gonna help SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much :mad:

Not all Muslims are flag burning, reactionary morons just as not all christians are anti abortionist/gay/women in church (delete as applicable).

Stop F****G putting everyone in the same basket and stop F*****G denouncing a religion on the basis of a few idiots.


But as for the thread topic,

my landlord is a Muslim, he is one of the most decent men you could ever hope to meet. Polite, generous and gets repairs done on time.

The little f***ers who burgled my house on the other hand are far FAR from decent.

But that said, this could apply to anyone in the whole goddam world.

As a cultural group, I largely consider them to be an asset. Those I have met in the course of my daily life I have found to be polite and hardworking. Those whom I'm privileged to have a friendship with are thoroughly decent, intelligent people whose religious nuances only add to their charm.

And they make terrific smoking buddies.

Yup, thats gonna help SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much :mad:

Not all Muslims are flag burning, reactionary morons just as not all christians are anti abortionist/gay/women in church (delete as applicable).

Stop F****G putting everyone in the same basket and stop F*****G denouncing a religion on the basis of a few idiots.


I agree
Just stop stereotyping everybody...

I have no view on them.

Muslims? well...

There are some, who seem to have come to the fore in this situation, that if I agreed with summary execution I would have summarily executed, for a combination of utter bigotry and terminal stupidity.

On the other hand, all the Muslims I have ever known individually have been lovely people; and as far as I can judge the 'Muslim community' in Britain, the vast majority are like that.

You can't make one sweeping statement on the whole.

EDIT: Further to their making good smoking buddies:
Oh yeah...and they invented the shisha (water-pipe). For that I will forgive much;)

As a cultural group, I largely consider them to be an asset. Those I have met in the course of my daily life I have found to be polite and hardworking. Those whom I'm privileged to have a friendship with are thoroughly decent, intelligent people whose religious nuances only add to their charm.

And they make terrific smoking buddies.

I agree on the smoking buddy thing. Hard to find anyone who smokes nowadays.

Indians, Arabs, Chinese, Koreans - not a lot of other people (well, the French).

the muslims need to grow up

I'm 33, married, and have 4 kids. I'm plenty grown up, son.

And they make terrific smoking buddies.

Well if it's one thing we do like, it's our hash.

Muslims? They add nothing more to society than people of other religions, nor do they take unduly from society. Well Irish society, but tha's primarily cos they're in a huge minority here. In my school of 600 there is only one Muslim I know of.

The Muslims in Ireland are good, and seem to be extremist-free.

Muslims? No real particular view on them. Just a bunch of people, like everybody else.

I haven't met most of them. As a group I regard them as a religious group, many of whose members have socially conservative views.

Yes, I live in a Muslim Community. The women are modern, but we are highly conservative. You don't know how much respect is held dear. People are disliked/"disgraced" easily.

For example -

If a Muslim family A finds out that Muslim family B's daughter/son has a boyfriend/girlfriend, immediately the family is seen as a disgrace or that Muslim family A feels bad for the parents who don't know what their child does (if the parents are good). Normally, Muslim family A would tell Muslim family B what their child does to keep respect. It hardly occurs that a family is called "disgraced", its very common that parents are told by other family-friends to make restrictions on their children. But then again, parents can't moniter what goes on when their children is outside so a Pakistani-Muslim can be all "conservative" in the house but a sl*t outside =/.

Respect, a good family (especially a girl in a Pakistani-Muslim family has to be good -- if she wears short clothes/looks like a sl*t/has a boyfriend, then the family is not rated as good. Same goes with boys) and being good to others is highly valued. Although some "bad un-conservative" things happen in family and others find out, then normally respect is kept rather than degrading the family.

Basically, we're very conservative.

--From a Pakistani-Muslim Perspective in the USA.

In my experiences, the Arabs are more liberals than others :confused:

Most of them are ok. Some of them are absolute bloody lunatics and proved so by demanding mass murders in the streets of London.

What we are seeing on TV, the riots, burning of flags and embassies, is not a good representation of Muslims. You have to remember that what we see on TV stems from a lifetime of living under a regime in which the government controls the newspaper. We enjoy freedom of the press in the US to the point where we are desensitized to things like offensive cartoons. I'm not saying the rioting is right, just from a different mindset. I know very few Muslims in the US who give a damn about the cartoon, they take it as what it is.

You can't really judge all Muslims anymore than you can judge all Christians, Americans, Brits, black people, white people or any other group that really only has one thing in common. Of course, that doesn't stop people from being racist, nationalist or prejudiced against certain religions, but I don't think that making sweeping judgments about a group that has very little making it a group is logical.

You can't really judge all Muslims anymore than you can judge all Christians, Americans, Brits, black people, white people or any other group that really only has one thing in common. Of course, that doesn't stop people from being racist, nationalist or prejudiced against certain religions, but I don't think that making sweeping judgments about a group that has very little making it a group is logical.


agreed

I view muslims the same as I view any other religious group. There are some of them that are a little off, but others that are fine. Hell, I've met more nutty christians than I have nutty muslims. They're generally nice to discuss religion with, as they'll actually talk rather than try to convert you I find.

I view muslims the same as I view any other religious group. There are some of them that are a little off, but others that are fine. Hell, I've met more nutty christians than I have nutty muslims. They're generally nice to discuss religion with, as they'll actually talk rather than try to convert you I find.

Wouldn't it be nice if more people realized that?

Bleh... why do we have to categorise people like this all the time. There a few muslims on my school, and they do their best to look cool with bandanas and rap-music, but few people take them seriously.

Bleh... why do we have to categorise people like this all the time. There a few muslims on my school, and they do their best to look cool with bandanas and rap-music, but few people take them seriously.

I don't know if this is true or if the guy just made it up, but either way it's an entertaining read and if it is true it's food for thought.

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/monkeysphere.html

No... there certainly arabic, but I cannot tell if their muslims.

They're clearly all evil and should be deported immediately.

No wait, I mean that they're a mixed group who contain good people and bad people- sort of like everybody else.

I don't know if this is true or if the guy just made it up, but either way it's an entertaining read and if it is true it's food for thought.

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/monkeysphere.html
Anytime someone says something I don't like, I'll be saying, "Legendary monkeytician Charles Darwin would disagree." That's my catch phrase for 2006.

How can you ask my view of such a diverse bunch of people? What do I think of the christians in my society? Women? Like they're all the same.:rolleyes:

have no opinon of them really as there hardly any in deepest Lincolnshire for some reason

Having exposed to different subsets of muslims in India, I do not have a "one size fits all" opinion on all of them. Some are my friends and neighbours who are part of my life. Some are fellow citizens who I have no problems with. But a few are anti-national pan-islamists who need to be brought under the law.

In general, shias, sufis, ahmedis, quadianis, barelvis and ismailis tend to be "I mind my business" types. The problem is with the extremist deobandis and sunnis in Kashmir valleywho suffer from ummah delusions.

I assume most of them are decent people and some of them are terrorists and terrorist sympathizers. Since I haven't met too many of them I clicked
"I have no view on them"

same here,
the ones i met all seem nice enough to me(i don't know if they are muslim or hindu or whatever) so i guess the more appropriate question to me would be...people of mid east appearance.

and of those..all seem pretty pleasant to me,as i am to them.

i actually have become sort of friends with a guy that owns a gas station down the road from me,who is obviously of mid east descent.
he's got a decent sense of humour,and we joke around all the time.
i needed a ride once and he closed his station to give me a ride..unsolicited..but appreciated.

so i guess...i should..based on what little interaction i have had with"muslims" really said favorable.because that 's what it has been.

that said..my opinion on the religion(honestly not to much i know about it..other then all the negative press)is very negative.
of coarse due to the medias influence on my opinion.

i dont like a religion that seems to be rooted in the stone age,treats women like crap(and i have read non biased articles about raped women being killed cause they are tainted)and is so obviously hatefull of jews.

muslims generalise about jews yet get offended when they are treated exactly like they treat jews with disdain.

i know if people are educated,they see past the petty rantings the local cleric spouts..but they sure seem to pack the streets with people chanting death to this or death to that.

in the states...i guess they have different reasons for being here..maybe to escape the kill/kill/kill mentality that seems so prevalent in the mid east.

What do you think of Muslims in your country???
That they are Muslims, and in my country, and that's about it.
If you wanted a more specific answer, you should have asked me about my opinion on a specific Muslim.

Having not met all of them I would have to assume they are like any other group in Australia. There will be dickheads, but there will be awesome people too... The end.

The ones where I can tell they are muslims by the way the women dress. I don't know if I should fall down laghing or cry. What's a two year old doing covered head to toe like her mom? This I often see and it's confusing to me.

What do you think of Muslims in your country???
I think this question is politically incorrect. I find it offensive.

What's a two year old doing covered head to toe like her mom? This I often see and it's confusing to me.

Training.

Also, a need to show in their circles that they are more islamic than the others. Gets them points.

The ones where I can tell they are muslims by the way the women dress. I don't know if I should fall down laghing or cry. What's a two year old doing covered head to toe like her mom? This I often see and it's confusing to me.
Where do you live? I have NEVER seen a Muslim child covered from head to toe. In fact, from my experience most women only ever wear a headscarf, and that happens maybe when they're 18-20, because they chose to. Of course this is not true for all women, but still- I just felt the need to present the other side to this picture.

I see anything from headscarves to full-length robes, just short of a burqa.
Age varying from about 12 up.
Generally (very, very broad generalisation) the better educated a woman is, and the longer her family have been in the country, the less strict the Islamic dress will be. As ever, there are examples of the opposite.

Training.

Also, a need to show in their circles that they are more islamic than the others. Gets them points.
Mmm, generalising...

And I'd assume that Muslims are just like people of any other religion/ethnic background who feel the need to prove their whateverness.

What do I think of the Muslims in my country? I like her. She's cute and funny :D

I've only met one muslim who I know was a muslim. He was cool. He once started jamming to a rap song (which he claims he'd never heard before,) on a fiddle.

Did a good job at it too...

I hate every last one of them, and I've known plenty.

Where do you live? I have NEVER seen a Muslim child covered from head to toe. In fact, from my experience most women only ever wear a headscarf, and that happens maybe when they're 18-20, because they chose to. Of course this is not true for all women, but still- I just felt the need to present the other side to this picture.

Syracuse NY in the U.S.A. I never really equated headscarfs with Islam. But it seems like 2 times out of 3 if I see a women in a burqa her young child is wearing one too.

EDIT: Maybe I keep seeing the same woman.

I live in Chicago, so we have quite a diverse set of people here, and I go to public college to boot. I never had a problem with Muslims; they go about their business like everyone else.

However, this week they have been giving out free hot chocolate on campus, so now I kind of like them. You don't see the Christian groups giving out free stuff to fellow students.

I don't know about you people in Australia, Europe, and America, and when you say about your Muslim people and how you don't like them and degrade them.

You people will not find support from Canada. We have a good working relationship with our Muslim people, and we are the only western nation that I understand that is doing a limited Danish boycott. So take that, we are siding with our Muslim people.

Most Muslims in the US are normal members of society like everyone else. You get the occasional crazies, like the imam who had ties to terror in Cleveland or the professor with ties to Hamas, but overall they are as normal an element of modern day America as anyone else. The overwhelming majority of them are simply everyday, hard-working people who practice a different religion.

What do you think of Muslims in your country???

that's like saying "so, what do you think of Blacks in your country?" well.. uhhh.. i like some, i don't like some. ??

Guys! This is like judging all Christians on the assumption that are the Red-neck, gun toting, "fag" haters from the South. You can't judge all Muslims as a whole. It's just not logical. Obviously the Muslim family down the street who are coincidentally good friends of mine, are not going to walk down and shoot me.

How can people judge an entire religion? I'm a Christian, but that doesn't make me an enemy of Muslims, or even unable to be friends. What are some people smoking?

Most of them are ok. Some of them are absolute bloody lunatics and proved so by demanding mass murders in the streets of London.
Agreed here...except that I incredibly hardly see radical Islamofascisto lunatics at all in Hong Kong.

I liked most I met. I didn't like some. But overall, they are an asset to society.

I liked most I met. I didn't like some. But overall, they are an asset to society.Same here.

Well, to be honest, I tend to not veiw them as one uniform entity, because they aren't in my country. We have no established Imam education or established religious society or clergy.
That said, any addition to my nation's culture is a good thing in my mind. Even if it causes a few initial problems.

What do you think of Muslims in your country???

Can i edit the poll to inlude the option: "this is a silly question"?

I don't know why, I honestly am hard pressed to justify it, I simply loathe them. They always inhabit artificial houses, converse in an accent just sufficiently inflected to irritate, have an utter lack of fashion sense, contribute nothing to academia, popular music, or art. The only notion upon which I concur with the BNP is that they ought to be deported, immediatly.

I don't know why, I honestly am hard pressed to justify it, I simply loathe them. They always inhabit artificial houses, converse in an accent just sufficiently inflected to irritate, have an utter lack of fashion sense, contribute nothing to academia, popular music, or art. The only notion upon which I concur with the BNP is that they ought to be deported, immediatly.I could have sworn you were American?

Anyway, you realise that a lot of them are highly educated & contributes massively to academia, right?
And that there are such oddities as Muslim pop-artists, both in music & other avenues, right?

I don't know about the fashion sense. I don't have one either, so..

I could have sworn you were American?

Anyway, you realise that a lot of them are highly educated & contributes massively to academia, right?
And that there are such oddities as Muslim pop-artists, both in music & other avenues, right?

I don't know about the fashion sense. I don't have one either, so..

I wish I was, US culture and politics would suit me more.

As for academia, no. Beyond mathematics and medicine, one cannot find any eminent Islamic acadmics in the west. Historians? no. Classicists? no. Linguists? beyond Arabic, no.

As for such anomolous cultural contributions, not to my knowledge, no, their culture is at once insular and self contained, whilst demanding inclusion in British culture.

In relation to fashion sense, no offence, bt go see the fashion police...:p

I wish I was, US culture and politics would suit me more.Other than the policies regarding Muslims, no doubt about it.

As for academia, no. Beyond mathematics and medicine, one cannot find any eminent Islamic acadmics in the west. Historians? no. Classicists? no. Linguists? beyond Arabic, no.Have you actually checked what these "prominent" contributors believe in? And do you realise that millions of people across western Europe contribute to all areas of academia every year?

The academic world does not solely revolve around a couple of semi-famous humanists.

As for such anomolous cultural contributions, not to my knowledge, no, their culture is at once insular and self contained, whilst demanding inclusion in British culture. That's no more trut than it is false. Mulsims aren't some uniform social demographic. They have various cultural backgrounds, various interpretations of Islam, and so on.
Not all Muslims isolate themselves from the rest of society. If you hadn't noticed, Muslims (with special emphasis on young women) are currently invading all forms of higher education in Britain, be it art, mathematics, computer science or anything else.

In relation to fashion sense, no offence, bt go see the fashion police...:pNah, I'm happy the way I am. Besides, people would probably crowd the sidewalks a lot more if they weren't scared stupid of me.

Other than the policies regarding Muslims, no doubt about it.

Have you actually checked what these "prominent" contributors believe in? And do you realise that millions of people across western Europe contribute to all areas of academia every year?

The academic world does not solely revolve around a couple of semi-famous humanists.

That's no more trut than it is false. Mulsims aren't some uniform social demographic. They have various cultural backgrounds, various interpretations of Islam, and so on.
Not all Muslims isolate themselves from the rest of society. If you hadn't noticed, Muslims (with special emphasis on young women) are currently invading all forms of higher education in Britain, be it art, mathematics, computer science or anything else.

Nah, I'm happy the way I am. Besides, people would probably crowd the sidewalks a lot more if they weren't scared stupid of me.

And yet all they do is inherently conservative, inflected with Islamic propaganda, and socially regressive. I have, in my thankfully limited acquaintaince with the Islamic immigrants in Britain, found them to be conservative, socially and culturally blinkered, and as fun loving as Oliver Cromwell.

"Young man, pul you trousers up, the are far to tight, and my children can see your belt, you are corrupting them":p

I wish I was, US culture and politics would suit me more.

As for academia, no. Beyond mathematics and medicine, one cannot find any eminent Islamic acadmics in the west. Historians? no. Classicists? no. Linguists? beyond Arabic, no.

As for such anomolous cultural contributions, not to my knowledge, no, their culture is at once insular and self contained, whilst demanding inclusion in British culture.

In relation to fashion sense, no offence, bt go see the fashion police...:p


That sounds almost like the right of the tory party...perhaps you mistook the accent for Arabic at a distance....

Don't really care. They're not making enough of a fuss as a group to get my attention, I haven't met any personally, and I think my government should leave them alone but other than that I don't have much of an opinion. Laissez faire.

I live in Chicago, so we have quite a diverse set of people here, and I go to public college to boot. I never had a problem with Muslims; they go about their business like everyone else.

However, this week they have been giving out free hot chocolate on campus, so now I kind of like them. You don't see the Christian groups giving out free stuff to fellow students.

The Christian Union at my college was giving out chocolates on the first day of term when all of the societies were recruiting, they offered me one but I would have felt guilty about taking their chocolate and then admitting to being an atheist.:(

I voted "I really don´t like them", since I really don´t like people following organized religions.

As for the Arabs, Turks, Pakistanis etc. in my country - I feel towards them as I feel towards most people.

What do you think of Muslims in your country???
They seem to be the main reason that the NHS is still running, so an asset to society.

They seem to be the main reason that the NHS is still running, so an asset to society.

Yup, what most of the people who rant about immigration fail to mention is that nearly a quarter of all doctors and half of all nurses in British hospitals were trained abroad, usually in poor countries, only to immigrate here.

Meh silly question although i dont know any of my frends religions. as an atheist it never seemed important:cool: