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Demonstrators attacked Norway's embassy in Tehran.

This is most definitely getting out of hand.

If they go for Finland or Sweden, they've got another thing commin', I tell you what!

Got a link to the full story? I'd like more details.

If they go for Finland or Sweden, they've got another thing commin', I tell you what!

They already sacked one of the Swedish embassies, man. It was in the same building as a Danish one. Same with Chile (notorious for their Islamaphobic cartoonists, those dastardly Chileans).

They already sacked one of the Swedish embassies, man. It was in the same building as a Danish one. Same with Chile (notorious for their Islamaphobic cartoonists, those dastardly Chileans).
I should, like, actually buy a papper then....

They have to get the Swiss! You know they are behind it all!

The Swiss win every war...

The Swiss win every war...
But, this isn't a war....

But, this isn't a war....

If you were on the street in Tehran, and the crowd seized you and began to beat you to death, I'm sure you would change your mind about that.

They have to get the Swiss! You know they are behind it all!

Heh, actually, "protestors" did tear up and burn a Swiss flag. Confused it with a Danish one. Which illustrates pretty well just how well-informed our friends in the Arabian peninsula are about the issue they're going totally batshit loco over.

Heh, actually, "protestors" did tear up and burn a Swiss flag. Confused it with a Danish one. Which illustrates pretty well just how well-informed our friends in the Arabian peninsula are about the issue they're going totally batshit loco over.

Color me unsurprised

And people wonder why Islam has such a negative violent image...

If you were on the street in Tehran, and the crowd seized you and began to beat you to death, I'm sure you would change your mind about that.
It wouldn't be pleasant, but I would merely be the victim of a violent mob.
However, in a more abstract and poetic sense, yes, it would be a war. Life's like that.

Got a link to the full story? I'd like more details.
http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2006/02/07/afx2506620.html

Found the link via google news, It was the top story.

Heres more info:
http://www.africasia.com/services/news/newsitem.php?area=mideast&item=060207171806.veiyrmy1.php
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-02/07/content_4147399.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/02/06/cartoon.protests/

And more links here: http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&ned=us

:p Norway? Maybe Iran likes whales.

:p Norway? Maybe Iran likes whales.
And Nordic oil! :eek:

Did the fellows who made the cartoons even consider the rammifications?! What idiot would allow that to circulate about a middle eastern prophet. Of course that would offend them, they take alot of pride in it, there are different standards in different parts of the world.

Did the fellows who made the cartoons even consider the rammifications?! What idiot would allow that to circulate about a middle eastern prophet. Of course that would offend them, they take alot of pride in it, there are different standards in different parts of the world.
Apparently Middle Eastern standards for behavior are low enough to accept violence as a response to a drawing.

Apparently Middle Eastern standards for behavior are low enough to accept violence as a response to a drawing.
Yes, and we cant change them overnight, so until the day when they are responding reasonably, we should show a bit more respect, otherwise we will face more of this. I mean what if someone was defecating on a dead relatives grave? How happy would you be?

Would you go into another country and burn their flag in front of them?

Yes, and we cant change them overnight, so until the day when they are responding reasonably, we should show a bit more respect, otherwise we will face more of this. I mean what if someone was defecating on a dead relatives grave? How happy would you be?

Would you go into another country and burn their flag in front of them?
I disagree. We should do more of this stuff so as to desensitize them to it.

Yes, and we cant change them overnight, so until the day when they are responding reasonably, we should show a bit more respect, otherwise we will face more of this.

Ah, so it's ok for the Muslims to burn down embassies and call for blood because they're not civilized as us. Gotcha

I mean what if someone was defecating on a dead relatives grave? How happy would you be?
These cartoons were not shoved in their faces, and we are not bound by their religious views. If we wanna draw their Prophet then we can. If we wanna make a statue of the Virgin Mary made out of shit, we can (and someone did, you didn't see Christians start violet mobs, burning down buildings and calling for the artist's blood, did you?)

Ah, so it's ok for the Muslims to burn down embassies and call for blood because they're not civilized as us. Gotcha


These cartoons were not shoved in their faces, and we are not bound by their religious views. If we wanna draw their Prophet then we can. If we wanna make a statue of the Virgin Mary made out of shit, we can (and someone did, you didn't see Christians start violet mobs, burning down buildings and calling for the artist's blood, did you?)
Yes, we can, but we should expect violence on their part. I am all for freedom of speech, and the freedom to criticise whatever we want, we just need to be a bit more aware, and less suprised. If I may quote wikipedia: "Criticism of Muhammad is often equated with blasphemy, which is punishable by death in some Muslim states."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed#Muslim_veneration_of_Muhammad

Imagine what this is gonna do to foreign relations!

Yes, we can, but we should expect violence on their part. I am all for freedom of speech, and the freedom to criticise whatever we want, we just need to be a bit more aware, and less suprised. If I may quote wikipedia: "Criticism of Muhammad is often equated with blasphemy, which is punishable by death in some Muslim states."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed#Muslim_veneration_of_Muhammad

Imagine what this is gonna do to foreign relations!
We should expect violence on their part? Isn't that a bit racist? Doesn't that assume that the poor dumb Arabs just can't behave in a civilized manner?

Would you go into another country and burn their flag in front of them?

No, but apparently they will.

Apparently Middle Eastern standards for behavior are low enough to accept violence as a response to a drawing.

It seems to me that tolerance towards violence is inversely proportional to tolerance towards nonconformity.

We should expect violence on their part? Isn't that a bit racist? Doesn't that assume that the poor dumb Arabs just can't behave in a civilized manner?
No, that means that other countries have different standards, and are not aware of ours. I wasnt referring to arabs as a whole, not all arabs are muslim, and I wasnt referring to all muslims. I was referring to the countries who do not have the same standards. I do not agree with their standards, but until they change. What are we gonna do? Rile them up more so they try to blow up the whole world?

No, that means that other countries have different standards, and are not aware of ours. I wasnt referring to arabs as a whole, not all arabs are muslim, and I wasnt referring to all muslims. I was referring to the countries who do not have the same standards. I do not agree with their standards, but until they change. What are we gonna do? Rile them up more so they try to blow up the whole world?
How about browbeat and humiliate them into acting more civilized?

How about browbeat and humiliate them into acting more civilized?
I am not sure that would work though. Wouldnt that just make them angrier? Then they would go into Jihad mode, and I dont mean holy war, I mean "to exert utmost effort, to strive, struggle".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad
I am just being the devils advocate now, I do not know if that would or wouldnt work. In my opinion I think that would end in more bloodshed.

I am not sure that would work though. Wouldnt that just make them angrier? Then they would go into Jihad mode, and I dont mean holy war, I mean "to exert utmost effort, to strive, struggle".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad
I am just being the devils advocate now, I do not know if that would or wouldnt work. In my opinion I think that would end in more bloodshed.
Meh, then we go WWII on them, bomb them into submission, place them under martial law, and civilize them like we did to the Nazis and the Imperial Japanese.

Meh, then we go WWII on them, bomb them into submission, place them under martial law, and civilize them like we did to the Nazis and the Imperial Japanese.
Probably not practical to do to a little over a billion people.

I have a better idea.

Develop a virus that has no other effect on the infected person other than sterilizing them. Make a vaccine for your own populations, but tell them it is a vaccination for something else.

Then spray that virus all over every Muslim nation, and any other nation you really don't like.

Inside of a generation, there's going to be a profound effect. You won't be killing anyone - they just won't be reproducing anymore.

Probably not practical to do to a little over a billion people.

I have a better idea.

Develop a virus that has no other effect on the infected person other than sterilizing them. Make a vaccine for your own populations, but tell them it is a vaccination for something else.

Then spray that virus all over every Muslim nation, and any other nation you really don't like.

Inside of a generation, there's going to be a profound effect. You won't be killing anyone - they just won't be reproducing anymore.

Ummm yea thats some fucked up shit right there man. You do realize you've just suggested a loop hole to get around the whole genocide thing right there and a disturbing one at that. What ever happened to good old fashioned diplomacy?

Probably not practical to do to a little over a billion people.

I have a better idea.

Develop a virus that has no other effect on the infected person other than sterilizing them. Make a vaccine for your own populations, but tell them it is a vaccination for something else.

Then spray that virus all over every Muslim nation, and any other nation you really don't like.

Inside of a generation, there's going to be a profound effect. You won't be killing anyone - they just won't be reproducing anymore.


I wouldnt be at all surprised if someone somewhere was working on this as we speak.

I wouldnt be at all surprised if someone somewhere was working on this as we speak.

I like the plan because:

a) by the time they figure out you've done it, it's too late
b) no one would be aware that a disease was spreading, untile it was too late
c) no way to figure out who did it
d) no way to undo the damage
e) you're not killing anyone
f) you're not dropping bombs or blowing things up
g) no US soldiers as casualties on TV
h) by the time people who would protest such a thing figure out it's happenning, it would be far too late for them to stop it

A very good plan all around.

I like the plan because:

a) by the time they figure out you've done it, it's too late
b) no one would be aware that a disease was spreading, untile it was too late
c) no way to figure out who did it
d) no way to undo the damage
e) you're not killing anyone
f) you're not dropping bombs or blowing things up
g) no US soldiers as casualties on TV
h) by the time people who would protest such a thing figure out it's happenning, it would be far too late for them to stop it

A very good plan all around.

Lets cut out the middle man and just nuke the place....:rolleyes:

Demonstrators attacked Norway's embassy in Tehran.

This is most definitely getting out of hand.
Those vile Nowegian bastards! Infidels! How DARE they exercise their freedom of expression! Death to all Norwegians! :rolleyes:

Did the fellows who made the cartoons even consider the rammifications?! What idiot would allow that to circulate about a middle eastern prophet. Of course that would offend them, they take alot of pride in it, there are different standards in different parts of the world.
You know what?? TOUGH SHIT! :mad:

Lets cut out the middle man and just nuke the place....:rolleyes:
No, I'm not interested in nuking them.

That's so old fashioned. I like having them find out they're all doomed, and have to live with it for the remainder of their lives.

I disagree. We should do more of this stuff so as to desensitize them to it.
Or to just irritate the shit outta them in hopes they will go even more nuts and make themselves an even greater nusiance, so that EVERYone will get pissed off at them and totally isolate their ass!

No, I'm not interested in nuking them.

That's so old fashioned. I like having them find out they're all doomed, and have to live with it for the remainder of their lives.

...whatever floats your boat dude.

:D I started reading your responses, and then your titles. I guess this isnt the forum for me to talk about this in. I thought you guys were actually expressing your serious opinions. But this just seems like lighthearted spamity fun now.

Heh, actually, "protestors" did tear up and burn a Swiss flag. Confused it with a Danish one. Which illustrates pretty well just how well-informed our friends in the Arabian peninsula are about the issue they're going totally batshit loco over.

Heh... That's not the only mistake. It seems that Per Kokkvold, the general secretary of the Norwegian Press Society has incorrectly been identified as both the editor-in-chief of Jyllands-Posten, and the artist who created the drawings. (People keep forgetting that there were 12 of them) His picture has been shown on Al-Arabiya and other TV channels, as well as in printed and online newspapers. He has also recieved death-threats for his supposed role in the matter.
Kokkvold has attempted to correct the error, but is not optimistic of success, "if foreign newspapers are as bad at correcting their mistakes as Norwegian ones." :)

Probably not practical to do to a little over a billion people.

I have a better idea.

Develop a virus that has no other effect on the infected person other than sterilizing them. Make a vaccine for your own populations, but tell them it is a vaccination for something else.

Then spray that virus all over every Muslim nation, and any other nation you really don't like.

Inside of a generation, there's going to be a profound effect. You won't be killing anyone - they just won't be reproducing anymore.

Well, on the subject of free speech - how much further before your statement crosses the line and becomes a criminal act (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00001091----000-.html)in the US? How is "directly and publicly incites another" interpreted?

Which embassey do you guys think will be the next one to get hit?...and dont tell the Swiss. :D

Probably not practical to do to a little over a billion people.

I have a better idea.

Develop a virus that has no other effect on the infected person other than sterilizing them. Make a vaccine for your own populations, but tell them it is a vaccination for something else.

Then spray that virus all over every Muslim nation, and any other nation you really don't like.

Inside of a generation, there's going to be a profound effect. You won't be killing anyone - they just won't be reproducing anymore.

Certainly more effective then genocide, I believe the Germans were thinking of use a similar method against the Jews but decided against it since it would take to long for all the Jews to die.

This situation certainly is scary, but damn funny at the same time. All of this over a cartoon published in a small Danish newspaper....

Well I would like to post more in response to this thread but Rick Mercer is about to start!

Certainly more effective then genocide, I believe the Germans were thinking of use a similar method against the Jews but decided against it since it would take to long for all the Jews to die.

Actually, it IS genocide...

Both under US law (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00001091----000-.html)...

§ 1091. Genocide

(a) Basic Offense.— Whoever, whether in time of peace or in time of war, in a circumstance described in subsection (d) and with the specific intent to destroy, in whole or in substantial part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group as such—

(1) kills members of that group;
(2) causes serious bodily injury to members of that group;
(3) causes the permanent impairment of the mental faculties of members of the group through drugs, torture, or similar techniques;
(4) subjects the group to conditions of life that are intended to cause the physical destruction of the group in whole or in part;
(5) imposes measures intended to prevent births within the group; or
(6) transfers by force children of the group to another group;

or attempts to do so, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b).


...and international law...
Genocide is defined by the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG) article 2 as any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: "Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

Source: Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide)

Actually, it IS genocide...

Both under US law (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00001091----000-.html)...



...and international law...


Source: Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide)
Ok, so now someone is being serious. I am extremely confused whether these forums are full of the serious, or the lighthearted joking people. If that wasnt lighthearted joking.... I would compare them to nazis.

Ok, so now someone is being serious. I am extremely confused whether these forums are full of the serious, or the lighthearted joking people. If that wasnt lighthearted joking.... I would compare them to nazis.
Oh, Deep Kimchi has a habit of saying outrageous things and actually being serious about them.

I suspect that must have something to do with the US Military Education. :D

Oh, Deep Kimchi has a habit of saying outrageous things and actually being serious about them.

I suspect that must have something to do with the US Military Education. :D

:confused:

What does us military education have anything to do with this?

As to this topic, when will the insanity end? It is really getting depressing when no one respects embassies :(