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Wow. Standing up to islam. They must have scoured Europe high and low for all 12 people willing to convict him. No doubt he'll get off on appeal, though.

More as it comes.

Link...

http://edition.cnn.com/

Nothing on it yet.

Some sort of source would be nice - it's usually added as a courtesy. Plus, details of who this chap is, what he's accused of etc...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hamza_al_Masri

Some sort of source would be nice - it's usually added as a courtesy. Plus, details of who this chap is, what he's accused of etc...
all CNN has right now is a banner about it.

Ahhh, the hook-handed chap. Well, about time. But, you see, this is actually Europe standing up to fanatics, not just Islamic fanatics - just pointing this out to the OP.

Ahhh, the hook-handed chap. Well, about time. But, you see, this is actually Europe standing up to fanatics, not just Islamic fanatics - just pointing this out to the OP.

Heh, yeah, right.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/02/06/britain.hamza/index.html

The Egyptian-born cleric, 47, could be sentenced to life in prison. He had pleaded not guilty.

$15 says he gets 8 months, tops.

He'll get a lot longer than that.


And you are becoming quite the irritation with your constant baiting of Europeans in general- for no actual reason that I can see.

None of this would have been necessary if we just deported him back to Egypt earlier. The Egyptian authorities would have been willing to take him, I think he was a wanted man there. It would have been a lot cheaper if they dealt with him for us.

Ahhh, the hook-handed chap. Well, about time. But, you see, this is actually Europe standing up to fanatics, not just Islamic fanatics - just pointing this out to the OP.

As an example, they won't let me bring my pistols to the UK...

None of this would have been necessary if we just deported him back to Egypt earlier. The Egyptian authorities would have been willing to take him, I think he was a wanted man there. It would have been a lot cheaper if they dealt with him for us.
Umm... isn't that called rendition?

The Americans do it - but people in Europe decry it as a "bad thing".

Umm... isn't that called rendition?

The Americans do it - but people in Europe decry it as a "bad thing".

Well, wikipedia said that for a few years, he couldn't be extradited to Jemen, even though the country asked for it and would have put him to trial, because he had British citizenship.
But as that was based on a bigamous marriage, they are obviously stripping him of it, which would in turn make extradition possible.

Umm... isn't that called rendition?

The Americans do it - but people in Europe decry it as a "bad thing".
I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. It all depends who you're getting rid of. I know that the Home Office was planning on revoking Hamza's citizenship. But the UN Regufee Convention puts the ridiculous requirement on us to protect everybody from regimes that may torture or execute them, even if they're islamic extremeists. So we should withdraw from the convention. That way non-citizen islamic extremeists will have all the rights of a dog. Then we should just send these people to whereever the hell wants them. If Egypt or Yemen want to take them off our hands and deal with them themselves then as far as I'm concerned they're more than welcome to.

I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. It all depends who you're getting rid of. I know that the Home Office was planning on revoking Hamza's citizenship. But the UN Regufee Convention puts the ridiculous requirement on us to protect everybody from regimes that may torture or execute them, even if they're islamic extremeists. So we should withdraw from the convention. That way non-citizen islamic extremeists will have all the rights of a dog. Then we should just send these people to whereever the hell wants them. If Egypt or Yemen want to take them off our hands and deal with them themselves then as far as I'm concerned they're more than welcome to.


I agree.

maybe I'll awake tommorrow to hear the good news that someone erradicated this piece of shit with a two-pound hammer blow to his head.

I cant look at one more of these fuckers on the news. Like this ugly piece of shit that "escaped" from prison in Yemen.

maybe I'll awake tommorrow to hear the good news that someone erradicated this piece of shit with a two-pound hammer blow to his head.

I cant look at one more of these fuckers on the news. Like this ugly piece of shit that "escaped" from prison in Yemen.

Didn't that work for Trotsky?

Jesus... what a load of fascists in one thread.

Jesus... what a load of fascists in one thread.
Oh, so you like Captain Hook? Think he's just the kind of person to live next door to your house?

Umm... isn't that called rendition?If he was wanted there, it'd be extradition.
However, if he was likely to be sentenced to death, it'd be difficult to get a judge to extradite him.

If he was wanted there, it'd be extradition.
However, if he was likely to be sentenced to death, it'd be difficult to get a judge to extradite him.
Not if you removed all legal protection from islamic extremeists. Simply withdraw from the UN Refugee Convention, withdraw from certain areas of the European Convention of Human Rights (We've done it before with certain parts of it) and get rid of anything else that prevents you from getting rid of these people. All you need to do is change the law, then the judges will have no legal way in which to block extradition.

Didn't that work for Trotsky?

It would work for this guy.

It would work for this guy.
Never killed anyone without using a firearm or calling for artillery before. I would imagine that the hammer is enormously satisfying, especially if you don't hit him in the head for the first 100 blows or so.

Never killed anyone without using a firearm or calling for artillery before. I would imagine that the hammer is enormously satisfying, especially if you don't hit him in the head for the first 100 blows or so.

I see what you're saying, but my interest is in being immediately effective. A hammer is about as simple as it gets-no moving parts. They never break. They dont need to be cleaned or maintained-Rusty,dirty corroded is ok. Hell-you could store it in a pail of water just for the irony.
A ball-peen is best.

Oh, so you like Captain Hook? Think he's just the kind of person to live next door to your house?


No, would you like him to live next door to you? (makes about as much sense as you asking me)

I don't think he should be shipped off to be tortured to death. Why make him a martyr?

He'd be a brilliant Bond nemesis; we could even actually blow him him up at the end of the film, no need for special effects.

Some sort of source would be nice - it's usually added as a courtesy. Plus, details of who this chap is, what he's accused of etc...
BBC newshour covered it this morning. He's been convicted of incitement to murder and possesing terrorist training manuals among a few other things.

Abu Hamza was the crazy preacher at the infamous Finnsbury Park mosque. He preached violent jihad against America, Britain and all "enemies of Islam". He's missing two hands and an eye, which he claims he lost fighting in Afghanistan, but rumor has it he actually lost them trying to mix homemade explosives. One of my favorite statements of his is that if a non-muslim wanders into Muslim lands he is "like a cow". You can take him prisoner, kill him, or sell him into slavery or for ransom.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/02/06/britain.hamza/index.html

The Egyptian-born cleric, 47, could be sentenced to life in prison. He had pleaded not guilty.

$15 says he gets 8 months, tops.
Not if he's extradited to the USA. He'll spend life in prison along with the Blind Sheik.

Not if he's extradited to the USA. He'll spend life in prison along with the Blind Sheik.
Seriously, you can have him. He costs a fortune in round-the-clock care as long as he's locked up 'cos he can't even tie his own shoelaces or clip his toenails - he has particular difficulty with toenails.

Seriously, you can have him. He costs a fortune in round-the-clock care as long as he's locked up 'cos he can't even tie his own shoelaces or clip his toenails - he has particular difficulty with toenails.

We can always arrange to free him during the flight, at 36,000 feet over the North Atlantic, without a parachute.

Hey, he was alive when he left. I can't help it that he doesn't have the ability to fly.

Umm... isn't that called rendition?

The Americans do it - but people in Europe decry it as a "bad thing".

I think it's fairly clear at this point that many European governments knew about the renditions and tacitly supported them, while denying any involvement so the population could feel morally superior to the US.

Its a moot point anyway, because I think the scales are starting to come off europe's eyes.

Wow. Standing up to islam. They must have scoured Europe high and low for all 12 people willing to convict him. No doubt he'll get off on appeal, though.

More as it comes.

I had no idea foreign nationals were eligible for jury service in the UK

Seriously, you can have him. He costs a fortune in round-the-clock care as long as he's locked up 'cos he can't even tie his own shoelaces or clip his toenails - he has particular difficulty with toenails.
I've got a theory. If you remove the toenails with pliers every time they grow in eventually they won't grow anymore. I think now we have a subject upon which to test my theory.

If he was wanted there, it'd be extradition.
However, if he was likely to be sentenced to death, it'd be difficult to get a judge to extradite him.

AFAIK, it is illegal for the British government to extradite anyone who may face execution.

$15 says he gets 8 months, tops.

Oh yes, you are an Aussie. I forgot.

And apparently one who knows nothing about Britain or the justice system,

Wow. Standing up to islam. They must have scoured Europe high and low for all 12 people willing to convict him. No doubt he'll get off on appeal, though.

More as it comes.

They seem to have the same problem in America over 9/11.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4687190.stm
At least Europe got a conviction on hooky :p
Now, Where should we send him/it. America want him as do a few other countries, but I think it would be rude not to send him on vacation first, how about .........Israel? :D :D

I had no idea foreign nationals were eligible for jury service in the UK
Yes, Europe is a country and the UK is just a state within it. It all started when my mum popped out to the common market one day for some King Edwards and a pound of sprouts. Almost said Brussels then.:D

All that remains to be seen is if they're going to move him out of his luxury lodgings and into a fucking prison cell or not.