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911 Eyewitness
Blue Star Media Group
1 hr 44 min 40 sec - Jan 9, 2006

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=911

I'm in the midst of watching it now. What the heck were those choppers doing?

Found another video smiliar on google while watching this one. Which goes into info on the pentagon and the downed aircraft as well.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194

No i haven't seen it.

This is what I got...
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This is what I got...

Interesting that it works here in Australia. We're usually the last industrialised nation to get these sorts of things.

Since all air trafic was grounded, I would assume that they were police and fire helicopters.

Since all air trafic was grounded, I would assume that they were police and fire helicopters.


That's what the guy filming it thought as well. Thought it was a rescue helicopter .. but then you can see the flashes.

I'm not watching an hour long video. Does the video have a point to it?

Maybe if you watched it you wouldn't have to ask stupid questions.

I only wish I had broadband. Otherwise... Dial up SUCKS!

Maybe if you watched it you wouldn't have to ask stupid questions.

Watch an hour and three quarter length video on the recommendation of someone on an internet forum who I dont know when someone could just give me a summary? No, I havent got that much time to waste.

Watch the first video if you have the time and are patient, cause it's laid out like a school video. With all sorts of scientific stuff. The second I linked is faster and comes to the point pretty quick, with some light science, but it's still long.

The first one is basically saying the towers were a controlled demolition. And why explosives had to be involved in the falling of the buildings.. not the airplanes or the fire. Which that's not the first time I've heard or read it, it's all over the internet. Engineers and demolition experts have been saying this.

Its good to see that other people know that bush did 11/9.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1&c=y

*waits until the left or people believe the goverment is behind 9/11 try to go against Popular Mechanics opinion backed by over a hundred experts*

oh hay what's this

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5572/twintowers9jj.jpg

You can see it happen from hundreds of angles that day on TV. You can watch the planes fly into the buildings from dozens of diffferent angles. Now you want me to believe that Bush snuck in tons of explosves?

Try again.

It's too long for me to watch at work, and I don't have broadband at home. Is there a way to download the video itself and not just a link? That's all that google video will let me download.

It's too long for me to watch at work, and I don't have broadband at home. Is there a way to download the video itself and not just a link? That's all that google video will let me download.
Just save the link, and email it to yourself, and get it when you get home.

Or, I'll save you the headache and summarize.

1)You know how when something full of air collapses and the air puffs out? It's impossible, all things that puff air have been exploded.

2)There was a FEMA helicopter with missiles on it that shot the towers down. You can see the "flashes" just as well as you can see bigfoot in all his home videos. (Maybe it was Brownie?)

3)Buildings can't fall down without explosives! Even when rammed by a360,000 lbs plane with 50,000 gallons of jet fuel that blows all the fireproofing off the walls and ignites everything in its way beyond the thermodynamical ability of the steel to maintain structural integrity.

4) Bush did it. For the oil. And because he hates you all.

Just save the link, and email it to yourself, and get it when you get home.

Or, I'll save you the headache and summarize.

1)You know how when something full of air collapses and the air puffs out? It's impossible, all things that puff air have been exploded.

2)There was a FEMA helicopter with missiles on it that shot the towers down. You can see the "flashes" just as well as you can see bigfoot in all his home videos. (Maybe it was Brownie?)

3)Buildings can't fall down without explosives! Even when rammed by a360,000 lbs plane with 50,000 gallons of jet fuel that blows all the fireproofing off the walls and ignites everything in its way beyond the thermodynamical ability of the steel to maintain structural integrity.

4) Bush did it. For the oil. And because he hates you all.

Let's add another bit of spice, shall we?

Consider the first attack on the WTC, where terrorists put hundreds of pounds of high explosive in the basement and set it off.

Didn't collapse the building.

No missile a helicopter could fire would have a warhead that size - none are over about 25 pounds of explosive fill, and if you had an Apache (which the helicopters in the video most definitely are NOT), you could carry about eight missiles.

Not enough to do much more than blow out some windows here and there.

I'm always fascinated by the people who want to believe that no Muslims were involved in this, and that the cause was really Bush, or the Jews, or someone else they already hate with a passion.

Canada City']http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1&c=y

*waits until the left or people believe the goverment is behind 9/11 try to go against Popular Mechanics opinion backed by over a hundred experts*

What has being a lefty got to do with how one regards 9/11?

What has being a lefty got to do with how one regards 9/11?

Because most of them believe the bush adminstration is behind it? Look at the NY protests.

Ok, anyone who thinks that the US government collapsed the twin towers is either extremely gullible, lying for propaganda purposes, or just plain stupid.

The towers would have had to tip over 100 feet to one side in order to fall any other way but straight down. That's simply how buildings fall.

If the energy from a planeload of burning jet fuel and burning plastics from inside the building werent' enough to weaken the structural steel components of the building, how would small helicopter-launched missiles get the job done? Answer that conspiracy loons.

Here's a factual analysis of the WTC collapse.
http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=36ug8j2ma3qqa?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Collapse+of+the+World+Trade+Center&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc05b&linktext=Collapse%20of%20the%20World%20Trade%20Center

If the energy from a planeload of burning jet fuel and burning plastics from inside the building werent' enough to weaken the structural steel components of the building, how would small helicopter-launched missiles get the job done? Answer that conspiracy loons.

Because they were Evil Magic Jew Missiles? duh! :rolleyes:

Canada City']Because most of them believe the bush adminstration is behind it? Look at the NY protests.

Most?

I always knew the kooky arm of the left you rise up and canabalise the rest. I just had no idea it would be so soon.

Also, what NYC protests? They seem to have completely passed me by.

Canada City']Because most of them believe the bush adminstration is behind it? Look at the NY protests.

I live in NY. Bush did not bring down the towers. The airplanes did. I saw the towers before they came down -- I saw them burning with the planes inside.

Anyone who thinks it was Bush is pretty foolish.

I live in NY. Bush did not bring down the towers. The airplanes did. I saw the towers before they came down -- I saw them burning with the planes inside.

Anyone who thinks it was Bush is pretty foolish.

Explain that to people who watch prison planet or info wars, or the people who make these videos.

Is that tape nearly 2 hours long? Have to make time to watch that.

I highly doubt Bush is responsible for it, as well, though it is a somewhat common leftist opinion, apparently.

You conspiracy loons ae so funny! :)

Wether the helicopters in the video were fire, police or news helicopters isn't important. What is important is that there certainly were fire, police and news helicopters flying around the WTC. Figure one of them would have noticed if another helicpoter was firing missles into the building. Not to mention the thousands of people down on the street at the base of the buildings whoes eyes, I'm sure, were fixed upwards. Then again, I can't imagine why thousands of pounds of buring jet fuel in a building would cause explosion inside it or cause burining debris to fall to the street below. The biggest problem I have with these stupid theories, though, have nothing to do with video and more to do with common sense.

1. A conspiracy to have helicopters shoot missles into the WTC right after a civilian airliner plunged into it would require hundreds of people, some of whom would be willing to commit suicide. These people would not only have to be willing to commit murder but would also have to be able to keep their mouths shut for all this time.

2. hate Bush all you want. Hate this administration. I agree. But I think we can also at least agree that he, and the people in the administration are humans. That means that these humans would have to have been willing not only to kill thousands of their countrymen, something much harder for most people to do than killing people from another country, but also their friends and family members. Thes military people have lived with, ate with, drank with and fucked and had extramarital affairs with people in the Pentagon. They wouldn't be killing some dude named Jahibi from Iraq that they've never met. In thsi case it would be Jill, the girl who answers the phones. Or Cedric. The janitor who has been working at the Pentagon for 40 years. Or Jim, the new intern that all the chicks think about in the shower. You would have to have hundreds, even thousands of people get involved in this conspiracy who are all not only willing to do all that, but who will also never tell.

Mush more likely that some Muslim extremists hijacked airliners and flew them into buildings for Allah.

I highly doubt Bush is responsible for it, as well, though it is a somewhat common leftist opinion, apparently.

Go to Democratic Underground. They have a whole section devoted to 9/11 conspiracy theories.

I highly doubt Bush is responsible for it, as well, though it is a somewhat common leftist opinion, apparently.

The one thing I can't figure out about conspiracy theories surrounding Bush.

On one hand, most leftists think that Bush is a moron. You know, completely stupid. And that his henchmen are equally stupid.

So, in a world where no one can keep their mouth shut, where every secret is leaked all the time, how could someone put together a conspiracy at the Presidential level to blow up the World Trade Center? Would take some pretty smart guys - and not only smart, but guys who could keep their mouths shut.

So, which is it?

I vote for the world where leaders are all stupid, henchmen even more so, and no one can keep their damned mouth shut. It's far more realistic.

The US is responsibe for the 9/11. They(CIA) trained Al Caeda, which did it.

Altough I don't believe in these conspiracy theories, I find it hard to believe a huge bomb in the very foundation of a building doesn't bring it down but an airplane does. Oh well, I'm no expert. BTW, does anybody know how that plane hit Pentagon? It must have come very steeply down at a weird angle, 'cause there were no crash trails on the road outside it.

Image (http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/PMX0305_911_001-lg.jpg)

I live in NY. Bush did not bring down the towers. The airplanes did. I saw the towers before they came down -- I saw them burning with the planes inside.

Anyone who thinks it was Bush is pretty foolish.

They were holographic planes!

...yes, that's an actual conspiracy argument. Pretty popular too. Holographic planes.

oh hay what's this

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5572/twintowers9jj.jpg

That's the face on mars in the caption. Fake, no question about it.

The US is responsibe for the 9/11. They(CIA) trained Al Caeda, which did it.

Altough I don't believe in these conspiracy theories, I find it hard to believe a huge bomb in the very foundation of a building doesn't bring it down but an airplane does. Oh well, I'm no expert. BTW, does anybody know how that plane hit Pentagon? It must have come very steeply down at a weird angle, 'cause there were no crash trails on the road outside it.

Image (http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/PMX0305_911_001-lg.jpg)


I saw the plane hit the Pentagon. Very real. Not steep, not a weird angle.

The US is responsibe for the 9/11. They(CIA) trained Al Caeda, which did it.

Altough I don't believe in these conspiracy theories, I find it hard to believe a huge bomb in the very foundation of a building doesn't bring it down but an airplane does. Oh well, I'm no expert. BTW, does anybody know how that plane hit Pentagon? It must have come very steeply down at a weird angle, 'cause there were no crash trails on the road outside it.

Image (http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/PMX0305_911_001-lg.jpg)
The US government didn't train Al Quaeda. The US government trained a bunch of Afghanis and Arabs to fight the Soviets. The Arabs later formed Al Qaeda.

On the WTC collapse, why don't you read the previous posts rather than just demonstrate your ignorance?

They were holographic planes!

...yes, that's an actual conspiracy argument. Pretty popular too. Holographic planes.

And now we know who the holographic pilot was!

http://www.startrek.com/imageuploads/200307/picardo02/320x240.jpg

:D

The US is responsibe for the 9/11. They(CIA) trained Al Caeda, which did it.

Altough I don't believe in these conspiracy theories, I find it hard to believe a huge bomb in the very foundation of a building doesn't bring it down but an airplane does.okay, I'll try to explain. See, the bomb in the basement was intended to blast the whole footing from under the building. It wasn't enough to do it. The reason why the airplane worked is because of the type of structure the WTC was. Most people when they think of skyscrappers think of thick, steel girders and cross beams stretching every which way, but in fact the WTC was built differently than that. The WTC was built with an outer shell of steal girders with thin steal rails that acted, and this is a highly simplistic way of describing it, like spokes on a wheel for support. So you have tons of fuel melting and warping all these spokes and causing the floors they support to sag. Well, imagine what would happen to a wheel on a bik if you cut one spoke. Probably not much. But what if you cut two? Then three? Then four? Eventually you will cut that one spoke that causes the entire wheel to collapse. That's what happened inside the WTC. The thin steel "spokes" that connected the outer shell of steal girders together and with teh center of the building could not withstand the heat from the fire so they kept popping one by one until the support mechanism that kept the building standing finally gave way.


Oh well, I'm no expert. BTW, does anybody know how that plane hit Pentagon? It must have come very steeply down at a weird angle, 'cause there were no crash trails on the road outside it.

Image (http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/PMX0305_911_001-lg.jpg)No, but there were a few thousand people on the lawn and on the streets standing there that watched it happen.

okay, I'll try to explain. See, the bomb in the basement was intended to blast the whole footing from under the building. It wasn't enough to do it. The reason why the airplane worked is because of the type of structure the WTC was. Most people when they think of skyscrappers think of thick, steel girders and cross beams stretching every which way, but in fact the WTC was built differently than that. The WTC was built with an outer shell of steal girders with thin steal rails that acted, and this is a highly simplistic way of describing it, like spokes on a wheel for support. So you have tons of fuel melting and warping all these spokes and causing the floors they support to sag. Well, imagine what would happen to a wheel on a bik if you cut one spoke. Probably not much. But what if you cut two? Then three? Then four? Eventually you will cut that one spoke that causes the entire wheel to collapse. That's what happened inside the WTC. The thin steel "spokes" that connected the outer shell of steal girders together and with teh center of the building could not withstand the heat from the fire so they kept popping one by one until the support mechanism that kept the building standing finally gave way.


No, but there were a few thousand people on the lawn and on the streets standing there that watched it happen.
It didn't help that upon impact the fire resistant insulation over the steel "spokes" was knocked off. This allowed them to heat up very quickly and soften. If the fireproofing material were thicker and sturdier the planes probably wouldn't have brought the towers down.

The US government didn't train Al Quaeda. The US government trained a bunch of Afghanis and Arabs to fight the Soviets. The Arabs later formed Al Qaeda.

On the WTC collapse, why don't you read the previous posts rather than just demonstrate your ignorance?

Actually, the correct answer there is "al quaeda never existed".

Note, i am not a conspiracy loon. Not in the slightest. But the name "Al Quaeda" was invented by a prosecution witness in the - i think it was Nairobi? African anyway - embassy bombings. A very dubious prosecution witness at that. The reason it was invented was so the US government could go after Bin Laden under the law at the time, which stated that it had to be a named organisation for the "leader" to be held responsible. Bin Laden noted the propaganda power of being tarred as leader of this "huge terrorist network" and started using the term.

In actuality, there never was an Al Quaeda, not in the sense the Pentagon or anyone in those heady days after 9/11, claimed. What there was was a group of very disparate conspiracies - some of them islamo-nationalist, one or two of them islamo-anti-us - who shared resources and intelligence, but had no "controller". One of the few anti-us (as in, opposing the US was their raison d'etre, rather than opposing the Us happened when the Us got involved in the internal politics of ButtFukustan) groupings within this loose confederation was responsible for 9/11. It pretty much wiped itself out in the act. And for 4 years, we've been running round chasing (mainly) phantoms, because it makes our leaders feel strong and important.

That's the face on mars in the caption. Fake, no question about it.

Of course it is. I spent about 3 minutes whipping it up in Paint and posted it to make fun of this thread ;)

911 Eyewitness
Blue Star Media Group
1 hr 44 min 40 sec - Jan 9, 2006

Viewer Descretion Advised

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=911

I'm in the midst of watching it now. What the heck were those choppers doing?

Found another video smiliar on google while watching this one. Which goes into info on the pentagon and the downed aircraft as well.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194
What utter bullshit. That's the downside of freedom of speech: every idiot with an ax to grind can say anything about anyone at any time. One can only hope that common sense eventually previals.

Personally, I think it was a conspiracy between the Rsicrucians, the Masons, the Mafia, the Queen of England, and remnants of the Templars, all of whom met at Rossyln Chapel and decided that something must be done about all this unnecessary freedom in the world. It's the opening round of Armageddon! Oh NOES!!!!!One111111!!! :rolleyes:

What utter bullshit. That's the downside of freedom of speech: every idiot with an ax to grind can say anything about anyone at any time. One can only hope that common sense eventually previals.

Personally, I think it was a conspiracy between the Rsicrucians, the Masons, the Mafia, the Queen of England, and remnants of the Templars, all of whom met at Rossyln Chapel and decided that something must be done about all this unnecessary freedom in the world. It's the opening round of Armageddon! Oh NOES!!!!!One111111!!! :rolleyes:
Come on now Eutrusca! Everybody knows that there is no such thing as the mafia. It's a conspiracy by the US Justice department to frame innocent Italian-American businessmen.

I saw the plane hit the Pentagon. Very real. Not steep, not a weird angle.
ON video? Link? I find it less and less reasonable that an attorney as you purport yourself to be would be anywhere near that spot at that time. But i guess it's another air of mystery about you that shall remain as a cloud of mosquitos is against a fine-mesh screen door on a hot muggy southern night.

Personally, I think it was a conspiracy between the Rsicrucians, the Masons, the Mafia, the Queen of England, and remnants of the Templars, all of whom met at Rossyln Chapel and decided that something must be done about all this unnecessary freedom in the world. It's the opening round of Armageddon! Oh NOES!!!!!One111111!!! :rolleyes:

Oh please. :rolleyes:

Everyone knows it was the Illuminati and shapeshifting interdimensional Reptilians! :D

Oh please. :rolleyes:

Everyone knows it was the Illuminati and shapeshifting interdimensional Reptilians! :D
And people were making fun of the Raelians just a thread or two ago!
The horror!
No wait, isn't there a Spaghetti Incident or something involved as well as golden submarines and some guy who painted a rather homely woman?
And what about the apricot?

There's also a theory about the Pentagon attack. Supposedly a missile hit it or something.

ON video? Link? I find it less and less reasonable that an attorney as you purport yourself to be would be anywhere near that spot at that time. But i guess it's another air of mystery about you that shall remain as a cloud of mosquitos is against a fine-mesh screen door on a hot muggy southern night.An attorney, in DC? Impossible. Everybody knows that lawyers are barred from entering...

An attorney, in DC? Impossible. Everybody knows that lawyers are barred from entering...
Well, ones with credentials, scruples, and the ability to individually pass the bar exam. Indeed, a RARE breed in the first place. That's why that claim of DK's, as many others of his, smells a little funky. But he might actually be being honest *shrug* ... however, in light of your post, i have to consider another point against him. ;)

Oh boy 9/11 conspiracy :headbang:

If there is any conspiracy and coverup, it is the involvement of people like General Mahmoud Ahmad, Hamid Gul etc.

I can prove logically that Bush didn't manufacture 9/11. If he were smart enough to do it he would have been ready to take action instead of his deer in the headlights response when he found out. I mean come on, do you want to look like an idiot in front of grade school children?

I mean come on, do you want to look like an idiot in front of grade school children?
The not-so-funny thing is he already did look like an idiot in front of grade school children ... even before he was informed about the attacks.
*nods*
But i'd concede that a guy who is bested by pretzels, Segways, doors in Chinese buildings, running HIS OWN BUSINESS, running OTHER PEOPLE'S BUSINESSES, the english language, facts, debates, unity, and the Constitution of the United States of America (and his sworn oath regarding) isn't the most likely candidate for a successful collusion to follow this line of conspiracy. But i could be wrong. He could have a LOT of help f*cking everybody in the country ... as i recall, about half of the country is helping him f*ck the other half.

I can prove logically that Bush didn't manufacture 9/11. If he were smart enough to do it he would have been ready to take action instead of his deer in the headlights response when he found out. I mean come on, do you want to look like an idiot in front of grade school children?
Or he could simply have let it happen. They would've been found out by now if they were actually behind the attacks.

Whether or not the Bush Administration let the attacks commence deliberately or because they found it too daft, it's pretty obvious they capitalized on a political oppurtunity to get what they wanted done.

Whether or not the Bush Administration let the attacks commence deliberately or because they found it too daft, it's pretty obvious they capitalized on a political oppurtunity to get what they wanted done.
Agreed. *bows*