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If you knew someone who had been contemplating and on several occasions attempting suicide, what would you say to make them better?
Should i turn her in
or should i comfort them.

If you knew someone who had been contemplating and on several occasions attempting suicide, what would you say to make them better?
Should i turn her in
or should i comfort them.I'd send them to some of the pages I was looking at that helped me when I was teetering near the edge.

If you knew someone who had been contemplating and on several occasions attempting suicide, what would you say to make them better?
Should i turn her in
or should i comfort them.
Comfort, first and foremost.

And do no hesitate to turn in if you ever think they might act up on it.

Because suicide is not to be taken lightly. Better send a friend to the hospital/clinic than attend his/her funeral. Even if they might be mad at you, someday they'll realize you did it because you care.

Um. My response to that is NOT a happy one.

If you knew someone who had been contemplating and on several occasions attempting suicide, what would you say to make them better?
Should i turn her in
or should i comfort them.
They usually require professional guidance and help and there's nothing you can really say or do to make them better. If they get determined enough they'll do it.

They usually require professional guidance and help and there's nothing you can really say or do to make them better. If they get determined enough they'll do it.
The best course of action is usually to support your friend, and push him to go get the help s/he needs. But sending him/her off to psychiatrist and not being there for him won't help as much as showing your friend's well being matters to you.

Tumteedledeeee.
What if they entrusted you with the information that they were about to do it?

TELL SOMEONE for fuck's sake. Do you want your friend to be dead!? Do you relize that them telling you could be a cry for help? either way, do not lkeep this information to yourself, especially if their parents don't know anything about it.

TELL SOMEONE for fuck's sake. Do you want your friend to be dead!? Do you relize that them telling you could be a cry for help? either way, do not lkeep this information to yourself, especially if their parents don't know anything about it.

...meh. i will i s'pose.

The best course of action is usually to support your friend, and push him to go get the help s/he needs. But sending him/her off to psychiatrist and not being there for him won't help as much as showing your friend's well being matters to you.
Yes. I meant that you won't be able to do it by yourself, but of course don't just send him or her to a professional and forget about the matter.

Tumteedledeeee.
What if they entrusted you with the information that they were about to do it?
Most depressive suicidals "entrust" someone with that information because it's their way to ask for help.

...meh. i will i s'pose.
You damn better well do it. Better to risk cooling a friendship than lose it completely because of your friend's death.

And, like I said, most eventually realize you did it because they matter to you, and will thank you for it.

Ive known this person to be quite stubborb, in the way that if she thinks shes losing she'll just be stubborn and do what she wants anyway, what i mean is if i tell someone she'll do it right there. thats what im afraid of

Ive known this person to be quite stubborb, in the way that if she thinks shes losing she'll just be stubborn and do what she wants anyway, what i mean is if i tell someone she'll do it right there. thats what im afraid of
You're in Wales, right? I mean, you slapped me and all for the Welsh paliament thing, so I guess you're there. I'm sure there is a suicide hotline you can call and they will give you useful information about how to handle this. At least much better than you'll get from NationStates General.

You're in Wales, right? I mean, you slapped me and all for the Welsh paliament thing, so I guess you're there. I'm sure there is a suicide hotline you can call and they will give you useful information about how to handle this. At least much better than you'll get from NationStates General.

Haha ;p Im in wales and i hate welsh parliament.
WOOOT
As for the hotline thing... well thats like going to proffesionals isnt it?

Whether his reasons are adequate or hilarious, I'd tell the person about the most effective and painless methods. If he really meant what he said then he should appreciate my advice, otherwise he's likely to back off quickly. And I would surely tell him, that I can understand his feelings because I felt the same way once. And also tell him why I didn't kill myself. Because I didn't want to hurt my loving family.

I think I'll be flamed

If you knew someone who had been contemplating and on several occasions attempting suicide, what would you say to make them better?
Should i turn her in
or should i comfort them.
Don't blankly turn them in; that would be cold.

Instead, try and be a true friend and help them through this. Get them the information they need; give them the comfort they need while subtly directing them to get help. They will need help, but it's unfair to just push them. They need a real human connection and it would come fron their friendship with you.

Force yourself closer and try and remember everything you've done wrong and do what you believe is right.

Don't do one or the other; do both, but do both well. This person may be having suicidal thoughts, but don't forget that they're human and they just don't know how to cope.

Haha ;p Im in wales and i hate welsh parliament.
WOOOT
As for the hotline thing... well thats like going to proffesionals isnt it?
Yes, but you can call them yourself so you'll know better how to deal with your friend.

To answer the OP in general: A lot would depend on why they want to comit suicide. If it's just Depression (not to downplay Depression) then yes, get them the help even if they think they don't want it. Now if it was due to something like a terminal illness and they still had a while to go but were in great pain (My dad known someone like this), I wouldn't do anything and might even assist in some way.

I reguards to your friend (having read the entire thread first unlike some ;) ) force her hand. Go to someone and get her the help. If she kills herself to prove a point, it becomes solely her problem; you did the right thing. You can't save everyone and you can't go about life wavering over decisions because you aren't sure how people will react. I know it sounds harsh, but sometimes that's what it takes...tough love. Heck, if push came to shove I'd sucker punch my best friend to physically haul them to where they could get help.

If you knew someone who had been contemplating and on several occasions attempting suicide, what would you say to make them better?
Should i turn her in
or should i comfort them.

"turn her in"?

You should report the situation to proper authorities that should be aware of the situation. This includes her parents, for example.

Other than that, provide comfort and be a good friend. Discuss it with her. Explain why you'd miss her.

And definitely encourage her to get professional help. You can't help this situation alone. 90% of suicides suffer from a mental illness. They need medical treatment. (Speaking from experience).

Whether his reasons are adequate or hilarious, I'd tell the person about the most effective and painless methods. If he really meant what he said then he should appreciate my advice, otherwise he's likely to back off quickly. And I would surely tell him, that I can understand his feelings because I felt the same way once. And also tell him why I didn't kill myself. Because I didn't want to hurt my loving family.

I think I'll be flamed


That is the last thing one should do. Don't play amatuer games of reverse psychology. This is far too serious for that.

Support her, to a point, but don't let her drag YOUR life down. If she really kills herself, I say good riddance to someone that would do such a thing. Cold I may be, but if a good talking can't get them back to thinking rationally....http://www.newsforge.com/comments.pl?sid=43141&op=&threshold=0&commentsort=0&mode=thread&tid=72&pid=107018

Go on, complain.

this is something you cant deal with on your own. you need to make the call to the suicide hotline. do it now.

this is something you cant deal with on your own. you need to make the call to the suicide hotline. do it now.

Agreed and emphasized

Been there, tried that.
5 times in fact.
Find out why she wants to die. Is it because she has a bad home life? Is it because she hates herself? Is it because she was dumped by a boufriend? Was she abused?
I wanted to die (and I still do because no one here believes in depression) because my parents ignored me and I was stuck in the middle of a bad relationship.
Be there for her though, but don't call obsessivly like my friends did. Because when you're depressed like this, everything pisses you off and makes you want to cry.
And, one of the other reasons was because I hated myself. Try to keep her happy to a point (don't go to her house everyday with ice cream...adds too many pounds), but don't try to pry. If she doesn't want to tell you, she won't. Eventully if you push hard enough, she might end up not talking to you. But then again, she might tell you. I don't know her personally, so I wouldn't know how she'd react.

Should i turn her in
or should i comfort them.
Neither. Support them.

Support her, to a point, but don't let her drag YOUR life down. If she really kills herself, I say good riddance to someone that would do such a thing. Cold I may be, but if a good talking can't get them back to thinking rationally....http://www.newsforge.com/comments.pl?sid=43141&op=&threshold=0&commentsort=0&mode=thread&tid=72&pid=107018

Go on, complain.
What? Complain that you're a dick? Okay. Dick.

<snip>Cold I may be, but if a good talking can't get them back to thinking rationally....<snip>What if they are? As far as purely rational thinking goes, it doesn't matter at all whether you decide to live or die. If you then bring in your desires, ie goals, and they happen to involve dying ASAP, then commiting suicide is a fully rational choice, as long as solid logic is used in the process of coming to the decision to do so.

But then, suicidal people usually are not especially rational, and in the cases where they are irrational beyond hope, I agree to a degree with you.


The way I see it, it all depends on the reason behind why a person is suicidal. If the reasons are perfectly rational, then I would ask the person to think it over throughoutly and make sure that it truly is worth it, and to try to become completely comfortable with whatever the final decision is, and then support his choice.

If the person is out of his/her mind however, help and possibly intervention would be in order, so that he can successfully pull him/herself together and solve whatever problems are behind it all, in a rational manner. That is, unless the person is inherently an irrational moron. If that's the case, then good riddance.

What if they are? As far as purely rational thinking goes, it doesn't matter at all whether you decide to live or die. If you then bring in your desires, ie goals, and they happen to involve dying ASAP, then commiting suicide is a fully rational choice, as long as solid logic is used in the process of coming to the decision to do so.

But then, suicidal people usually are not especially rational, and in the cases where they are irrational beyond hope, I agree to a degree with you.


The way I see it, it all depends on the reason behind why a person is suicidal. If the reasons are perfectly rational, then I would ask the person to think it over throughoutly and make sure that it truly is worth it, and to try to become completely comfortable with whatever the final decision is, and then support his choice.

If the person is out of his/her mind however, help and possibly intervention would be in order, so that he can successfully pull him/herself together and solve whatever problems are behind it all, in a rational manner. That is, unless the person is inherently an irrational moron. If that's the case, then good riddance.

Eh, I suppose. It's not like I can say there's absolutely no situation in which killing yourself could be the better choice. I figure they're giving up their chance at a Darwin Award though...

What? Complain that you're a dick? Okay. Dick.

*tip of the hat* Thank you.

Phone the Samaritans and ask them for help/advice. It's anonymous so you won't be grassing your friend up.