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I know, everyone is probably more than a little sick of the whole danish cartoon thing, but I thought I'd post this anyway. It isn't every day that you see a cartoon depicting cartoons that sums up an international incedent over...cartoons.

http://www.filibustercartoons.com/archive.php?id=20060204

:D Perfect!

Both inspired and true:p

Heh, very good ^^

Let me start off by saying that I think anyone should be able to draw and publish whatever they want.

Having said that, I think that cartoon is a bit off as the cartoon the anger we have seen is over, is of Mohammed with a bomb as if to say all Muslims are violent terrorists. They are not angry over some drawing of Mohammed as some smiling welcoming arms open cartoon. That is not to say that they don't like any depictions of Mohammed, but I doubt you would see so much anger over that. Don't you agree?

Also, I would like to see examples of cartoons that Muslims have drawn about the Jews please as I couldn't find any.

Let me start off by saying that I think anyone should be able to draw and publish whatever they want.

Having said that, I think that cartoon is a bit off as the cartoon the anger we have seen is over, is of Mohammed with a bomb as if to say all Muslims are violent terrorists. They are not angry over some drawing of Mohammed as some smiling welcoming arms open cartoon. That is not to say that they don't like any depictions of Mohammed, but I doubt you would see so much anger over that. Don't you agree?

Also, I would like to see examples of cartoons that Muslims have drawn about the Jews please as I couldn't find any.

Jyllands-Posten printed twelve depeictions of Mohammed. One was an image of a man with a bomb in his turban. One depicts a caracature of a white man holding a stick-figure drawing. One depicts Mohammed standing on a hill. Two are faces formed at least partially by the star and crescent. One is a cartoonist drawing a picture of Mohammed. One is a picture of Mohammed with a halo. One is a picture of Mohammed standing in heaven waving off martyrs saying they ran out of virgins. One is a police line up. One is a child (presumably Mohammed) in western dress point to a blackboard accusing the newspaper of being provacateurs. One is Mohammed standing with a black bar over his eyes holding a knife. One is Mohammed holding back a group of soliders saying that it is ok because the pictures were drawn by a Danish cartoonist.

Muslims are angry not just because of the bomb. They are offended by any depiction of their prophet, especially those which might be disrespectful. As I have said many times before: boo hoo. This is free speech, you will be offended, everything you hold dear will be mocked. If you don't like it, go back to a theocracy.

In regards to arabs drawing cartoons about Jews I looked for 30 seconds and found this: http://www.arabeuropean.org/newsdetail.php?ID=95&PHPSESSID=8051378a9f4af677664b20c5649e43c8
Not for the squeamish, it is a depiection of Anne Frank in bed with Hitler.

Hey, SB, here you go...

http://rupix.com/tomgross/

Also, I would like to see examples of cartoons that Muslims have drawn about the Jews please as I couldn't find any.
Doesn't take long.

http://www.adl.org/Anti_semitism/arab/qatar_cartoons.asp
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/egpress3.html

My tolerance for the people of the Middle East is fading fast...

Thanks - I didn't say they didn't exist, I said I couldn't find them. I bow to your superior googling skills.


And as for

Muslims are angry not just because of the bomb. They are offended by any depiction of their prophet, especially those which might be disrespectful. As I have said many times before: boo hoo. This is free speech, you will be offended, everything you hold dear will be mocked. If you don't like it, go back to a theocracy.

I was listening to comments from protesters around the world and they all mentioned the bomb thing and said that they are tired of Islam being touted as a religion of terrorism.

As I said I know they don't like any depictions of Mohammed but that certain drawing with the bomb is the o ne everyone seems to be focusing on. Deny it all you want but I would rather listen to the opinions of thos who are actually p rotesting against it to see where their anger comes from as I am betting it is more on point than what any outsider might say.

My tolerance for the people of the Middle East is fading fast...
What, because of a few cartoons we posted? Come on... who lets a few cartoons judge your world view, eh?

WHy are you all crying about Muslims protesting something. The LARGE MAJORITY of those protests have been peaceful and they are responding with a boycott. Whoopity doo, get over it yourselves. Yes there were some windows broken in Lebanon, and I think those that resort to violence are idiots but you are being absurd if you think all Muslims are reacting violently.

Here's a question - if someone posted that particular pic of Muhammed with the bomb for a hat, would that be considered flaming?

WHy are you all crying about Muslims protesting something. The LARGE MAJORITY of those protests have been peaceful and they are responding with a boycott. Whoopity doo, get over it yourselves. Yes there were some windows broken in Lebanon, and I think those that resort to violence are idiots but you are being absurd if you think all Muslims are reacting violently.

Its the nature of their protest. They are suggesting that Non muslims must abide by muslim rules.

Here's a question - if someone posted that particular pic of Muhammed with the bomb for a hat, would that be considered flaming?
Here's another question; if we were to photoshop that bomb onto the heads of several world leaders (both Western and Islamic) and showed the pictures in a long string, would that be considered bad taste?

Here's another question; if we were to photoshop that bomb onto the heads of several world leaders (both Western and Islamic) and showed the pictures in a long string, would that be considered bad taste?
People make fun of Western leaders all the time - sometimes doing even worse, and it doesn't make for an "International Day of Anger".

As an example, I can post this caricature of Jesus, and it doesn't cause a flaming uproar...
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/jtkwon/buddyjesus.jpg

Its the nature of their protest. They are suggesting that Non muslims must abide by muslim rules.

No, they are demanding, under the threat of violence if others do not comply. It has been their way since they over ran palistine hundreds of years ago. Nothing has changed, except now when they commit violent acts, in the same breath they delcare "we are a religion of peace" and cowards jump on board hoping to be spared.

No, they are demanding, under the threat of violence if others do not comply. It has been their way since they over ran palistine hundreds of years ago. Nothing has changed, except now when they commit violent acts, in the same breath they delcare "we are a religion of peace" and cowards jump on board hoping to be spared.

It's called dhimmitude. They are used to having their way with non-believers, including killing non-believers when they commit blasphemy against Islam.

Its the nature of their protest. They are suggesting that Non muslims must abide by muslim rules.


We see that from other religions too. So what? Let them protest. That's what protests are about, getting a large group together to make a statement.

If you listen to the protests of the individuals you will hear them saying they are sick of the people around the world calling all Muslims terrorists. Sitting at home or a couple individuals writing a letter isn't going to get the attention of the world where they can make that statement. These protests in several countries certainly have though.

What I hate are the people who incite violence during these protests though. The majority goes out to protest peacefully and then a few of them break some car windows and that few gets all the attention while the rest and their message gets ignored.

No, they are demanding, under the threat of violence if others do not comply. It has been their way since they over ran palistine hundreds of years ago. Nothing has changed, except now when they commit violent acts, in the same breath they delcare "we are a religion of peace" and cowards jump on board hoping to be spared.


Really? I hadn't heard these threats of violence from these recent protests. Can you please link me to them? I'm fairly certain the protest organizers message was peaceful and condemned any violence.

This was in the saturday Globe&Mail. I liked it.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/maayan009/b60182fa.jpg

Really? I hadn't heard these threats of violence from these recent protests. Can you please link me to them? I'm fairly certain the protest organizers message was peaceful and condemned any violence.

Violence is highlighted below

Missions in Syria and Lebanon torched
FURY: The Mohammed cartoon controversy continued to degenerate with mobs damaging Danish and Norwegian missions and radicals issuing threats elsewhere

AGENCIES , BEIRUT, AMMAN AND TEHRAN
Monday, Feb 06, 2006,Page 1

Thousands of Muslims rampaged in Beirut yesterday, setting fire to the Danish consulate, burning Danish flags and lobbing stones at a Maronite church to show their anger over caricatures of Islam's Prophet Mohammed.

Troops fired shots into the air, and tear gas and water cannons at the crowds to try pushing the protesters back. Security officials said at least 18 people were injured, and witnesses said at least 10 people were taken away by ambulance.

The rioting mirrored a violent melee a day earlier outside the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus in neighboring Syria, where demonstrators charged security barriers and sent the buildings up in flames.

Those attacks earned widespread condemnation from European nations and from the US, which accused the Syrian government of backing the protests. Yesterday, defense ministers meeting in Germany urged calm and respect -- both for religion and freedom of the press.

Grand Mufti Mohammed Rashid Kabbani of Lebanon denounced the violence and appealed for calm, accusing infiltrators of sowing the dissent to "harm the stability of Lebanon."

"Those who are committing these acts have nothing to do with Islam or with Lebanon," Prime Minister Fuad Saniora said. "This is absolutely not the way we express our opinions."

But thousands -- incensed by caricatures of Mohammed widely published in European newspapers, including one of the prophet wearing a turban shaped like a lit bomb -- continued to protest across the Muslim world.

In the Afghan city of Mihtarlam, some 3,000 demonstrators burned a Danish flag and demanded that the editors at the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten -- the first to publish the cartoons in September -- be prosecuted for blasphemy (this is a death penalty offense in Islam), Governor Sher Mohammed Safi said.

Some 1,000 people tried to march to the offices of the UN and other aid groups in Fayzabad. Police fired shots into the air to disperse them, officials said. No one was hurt.

In the West Bank city of Ramallah, students in uniform -- aged 13 and even younger -- carried protest posters and shouted: "No to offending our prophet."

Really? I hadn't heard these threats of violence from these recent protests. Can you please link me to them? I'm fairly certain the protest organizers message was peaceful and condemned any violence.
I think you're experiencing some form of denial. I can't really explain this obliviousness otherwise.

Violence is highlighted below


Hmm I hadn't heard about the arson. Thanks, and like I said I don't agree with that but was that the protest organizers that did it? Did every single protester have a part in the arson? The organizers have all condemned the violence.

The majority of protest have been peaceful. There were several in many countries.

As for 3000 protesters burnign a flag, for one I'd liek to see how they co-ordinated that one (did they allt ake turnes holding the match?) and for two burnign a flag is not violence as far as I am concerned.

I'm fairly certain the protest organizers message was peaceful and condemned any violence.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/06022006/325/new-protests-erupt-cartoon-row.html
...The announcement came as protesters threw petrol bombs at the Danish embassy in Tehran and tried to break into the compound on Monday night in a protest against the cartoons.

Chanting "God is Greatest" and "Death to America" some 1,000 people rammed the metal gate to the embassy, which sits behind a high wall in northern Tehran. Police drove them back with teargas and arrested some, a Reuters correspondent said.

... Earlier on Monday, about 200 people pelted the embassy of EU president Austria with petrol bombs and stones over the cartoons and Iran's nuclear confrontation with the West.

Hmm I hadn't heard about the arson. Thanks, and like I said I don't agree with that but was that the protest organizers that did it? Did every single protester have a part in the arson? The organizers have all condemned the violence.

The majority of protest have been peaceful. There were several in many countries.

As for 3000 protesters burnign a flag, for one I'd liek to see how they co-ordinated that one (did they allt ake turnes holding the match?) and for two burnign a flag is not violence as far as I am concerned.


In the case of the burning of the embassies, you can see in the videos hundreds of protesters streaming in and out and all over the burning buildings.

You want to keep denying the violence, go ahead.

I think you're experiencing some form of denial. I can't really explain this obliviousness otherwise.


Her her her I can be childish too see:

No YOU are in denial and compltely oblivious to the truth.

Wow wasn't that an absolutely comeback. Now thats a way to debate if I ever saw one.

Like I said, there have been violent acts by a small minority of the protesters but the organizers have all had peaceful messages, and have condemned the violence. PLUS, now try to pay attention here, There have been protests in MANY countries that were completely peaceful.

Enjoy your hatefulness, I am sick of repeating myself.

SUmamba out.

I was listening to comments from protesters around the world and they all mentioned the bomb thing and said that they are tired of Islam being touted as a religion of terrorism.

Well, thats too damn bad. I've a great respect for the faith of Islam, it is the most advanced of the western monotheist religions, and the only major one that has remained truely monotheistic. Still, it has a history. Judaism is a tribal faith with holy books that glorify genocide. Christianity is a faith that revolves around guilt and sin. Islam is a faith born of war, and the Koran portrays Mohammed as a warrior.

Islam didn't spread through the Arab world because so many people were swayed by it's rhetoric, it spread because Mohammed (and those who came after him) waged war upon their heathen neighbors. You can be sick of Islam being viewed as a religion of terrorism, but the responses to these cartoons have been distinctly terroristic. Embassies are burned, christian neighborhoods stoned. The major voices in the Islamic world, the ones the whole world hears, are not moderates. The Palestinians elected a known terrorist group to represent them. The government of Iran denies the holocost even while advocating another. Protests are seen the world over where marchers carry pictures of Osama Bin Laden. What of Salman Rushdie? How about Theo Van Gogh?

Do these extremists represent all Muslims? No, of course not, but where are the condemnations? Where are the great moderate Muslim thinkers who stand and argue against the extremists giving their faith a bad name? Where are the Muslim countries that stand up to terrorist elements? Islam might not be a religion of terrorism, but the terrorists within it seem to have done quite a job silencing the moderates.

In the case of the burning of the embassies, you can see in the videos hundreds of protesters streaming in and out and all over the burning buildings.

You want to keep denying the violence, go ahead.

I guess I'll repeat myself one more time.

I never said there wasn't any violence at all. Thanks for not paying attention.

I guess I'll repeat myself one more time.

I never said there wasn't any violence at all. Thanks for not paying attention.

You keep saying you can't find evidence online of violence, or evidence online of anti-Jewish cartoons - when the rest of us can google it in a single attempt.

Either your skills with google are below pathetic, or you are deliberately wanting not to see the truth.

Her her her I can be childish too see:

No YOU are in denial and compltely oblivious to the truth.

Wow wasn't that an absolutely comeback. Now thats a way to debate if I ever saw one.

Like I said, there have been violent acts by a small minority of the protesters but the organizers have all had peaceful messages, and have condemned the violence. PLUS, now try to pay attention here, There have been protests in MANY countries that were completely peaceful.

Enjoy your hatefulness, I am sick of repeating myself.

SUmamba out.I'm not being hateful - I merely haven't been living under a rock for the last few days, as you ostensibly have. To the rally organizers that intended their protest to be peaceful - well, they should be more careful who they invite next time. And if all these organizers are "peacefull", why are there signs being handed out that advocate genocide?

Where are the militant Hindu protests every time I grill a steak? I just can't get over the fact that every other religion, except maybe soccer and rap music, can shrug off an insult or two without resorting to massive violence.

Where are the militant Hindu protests every time I grill a steak? I just can't get over the fact that every other religion, except maybe soccer and rap music, can shrug off an insult or two without resorting to massive violence.

We need to look in the Koran, and figure out why they don't have the ability to laugh at themselves.

I know, everyone is probably more than a little sick of the whole danish cartoon thing, but I thought I'd post this anyway. It isn't every day that you see a cartoon depicting cartoons that sums up an international incedent over...cartoons.

http://www.filibustercartoons.com/archive.php?id=20060204

Best part is the guy is a Canadian Conservative from BC.

Been reading his cartoons since it started, and he gets better with each new strip. He is somewhat like a lower version of Cox and Forkum, Canadian Style (no one can match those two)

We need to look in the Koran, and figure out why they don't have the ability to laugh at themselves.
Are you really sitting on an airplane right now?

As an example, I can post this caricature of Jesus, and it doesn't cause a flaming uproar...
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/jtkwon/buddyjesus.jpg



Post a picture of Jesus blowing up an abortion clinic, then get back to me.

Post a picture of Jesus blowing up an abortion clinic, then get back to me.maybe I will

Post a picture of Jesus blowing up an abortion clinic, then get back to me.
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6315/jesuspic23iv.jpg

Well, thats too damn bad. I've a great respect for the faith of Islam, it is the most advanced of the western monotheist religions, and the only major one that has remained truely monotheistic. Still, it has a history. Judaism is a tribal faith with holy books that glorify genocide. Christianity is a faith that revolves around guilt and sin. Islam is a faith born of war, and the Koran portrays Mohammed as a warrior.

Islam didn't spread through the Arab world because so many people were swayed by it's rhetoric, it spread because Mohammed (and those who came after him) waged war upon their heathen neighbors. You can be sick of Islam being viewed as a religion of terrorism, but the responses to these cartoons have been distinctly terroristic. Embassies are burned, christian neighborhoods stoned. The major voices in the Islamic world, the ones the whole world hears, are not moderates. The Palestinians elected a known terrorist group to represent them. The government of Iran denies the holocost even while advocating another. Protests are seen the world over where marchers carry pictures of Osama Bin Laden. What of Salman Rushdie? How about Theo Van Gogh?

Do these extremists represent all Muslims? No, of course not, but where are the condemnations? Where are the great moderate Muslim thinkers who stand and argue against the extremists giving their faith a bad name? Where are the Muslim countries that stand up to terrorist elements? Islam might not be a religion of terrorism, but the terrorists within it seem to have done quite a job silencing the moderates.

This is a very good point. Moderate Muslims must make a stand, if they want to counter their religion being linked with violence and terrorism in the minds of non-Muslims. And not just a few Muslim intellectuals in western countries, but whole communities. Condemn blasphemy and disrespect to their religion, yes, but condemn violence and destruction in the name of religion too. Unfortunately, peaceful demonstrations aren't as likely to get as much media coverage as embassy burnings.

Here's a small sunshine story from Damasque. Too bad it had to be ruined the next day:
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1215930.ece

I think that the cartoons were in poor taste, but that's no excuse for violence. Yes, violence did happen but the majority of Muslims didn't get violent - after all, there are only so many Danish embassies to burn.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6315/jesuspic23iv.jpg


Good, now publish it in some newspapers.

Are you really sitting on an airplane right now?
I've been back and forth to London twice in one week, and going back again in four days.

I've been back and forth to London twice in one week, and going back again in four days.
I thought you might have been using the Boeing Connexion service on Lufthansa.

I wanted to brag about it, since used to be one of my projects when it was in R&D.

I know, everyone is probably more than a little sick of the whole danish cartoon thing, but I thought I'd post this anyway. It isn't every day that you see a cartoon depicting cartoons that sums up an international incedent over...cartoons.

http://www.filibustercartoons.com/archive.php?id=20060204
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/8176/muslimhypocrisy1qc.gif (http://imageshack.us)
Great cartoon, it really hits the nail on the head! :D

This was in the saturday Globe&Mail. I liked it.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/maayan009/b60182fa.jpg
rofl... :D

Just who is this "Kettle", and why should I meet him?