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I don't know if this has been addressed on General. It may well have.

"I guess this means we've won the war on terror," said one exasperated FBI agent, speaking on the condition of anonymity because poking fun at headquarters is not regarded as career-enhancing. "We must not need any more resources for espionage."

http://www.thememoryhole.org/fbi/porn_films_1972-3.htm

I have my own ideas but what do the rest of you think? Considering the state of Homeland Security, should the FBI be devoting time to busting consenting adults?

The state of Homeland security aside (and we are far more secure than the government and media want us to realize), the FBI should never bust consenting adults or investigating porno.

The state of Homeland security aside (and we are far more secure than the government and media want us to realize), the FBI should never bust consenting adults or investigating porno.


We are very, very, very safe compared to what all news sources want us to believe.


And the FBI should not concern itself with porn, it has more important things to deal with.

You know, illegal things.

We are very, very, very safe compared to what all news sources want us to believe.


And the FBI should not concern itself with porn, it has more important things to deal with.

You know, illegal things.
Well, aside from my computer history, you made me feel a little better.

ya know, when the feds live in a dreamworld where porn can be contained it makes me wonder about their judgement of other things.

the president keeps saying that he cant possibly ask for permission to do this NSA spying thing because it will tip off alqaeda to the techniques used. what makes him think that someone in alqaeda didnt ask a typical 14 year old computer freak boy how the US might track their calls? i cant believe its something that no one outside of the NSA hasnt thought of

if they live in a world where they can catch everyone who looks at porn, how reliable is there assessment of world terror and their ability to catch all the terrorists?

if they get something as elementary as porn wrong, why should i believe they can figure out a solution to the middle east??

ya know, when the feds live in a dreamworld where porn can be contained it makes me wonder about their judgement of other things.

the president keeps saying that he cant possibly ask for permission to do this NSA spying thing because it will tip off alqaeda to the techniques used. what makes him think that someone in alqaeda didnt ask a typical 14 year old computer freak boy how the US might track their calls? i cant believe its something that no one outside of the NSA hasnt thought of

if they live in a world where they can catch everyone who looks at porn, how reliable is there assessment of world terror and their ability to catch all the terrorists?

if they get something as elementary as porn wrong, why should i believe they can figure out a solution to the middle east??
Faith?

On the up side, America might get peace with the middle eastern dictatorships once it resembles them.

I don't view porn as a problem at all anyways, or prostitution for that matter.

I don't know who said this first, but...


"Selling is legal.
Fucking is legal.
So selling fucking should be legal too"

Faith?
that would be a desperate measure

the FBI should not concern itself with porn, it has more important things to deal with.

You know, illegal things.

Those financing, producing and distributing legal porn have historically been the ones financing, producing and distributing illegal porn.

In addition, the loss of tax revenues through such industries as porn, alcohol, firearms and tobacco are a valid legal concern for any government. One that spends more than it takes in has a vested interest indeed.

Not paying taxes, not following labor laws, unregulated distribution and a lack of liability on the part of any of these industries not only raises the question of the benefit lost for the American people but raises concern as to where those profits are spent.

Those financing, producing and distributing legal porn have historically been the ones financing, producing and distributing illegal porn.

In addition, the loss of tax revenues through such industries as porn, alcohol, firearms and tobacco are a valid legal concern for any government. One that spends more than it takes in has a vested interest indeed.

Not paying taxes, not following labor laws, unregulated distribution and a lack of liability on the part of any of these industries not only raises the question of the benefit lost for the American people but raises concern as to where those profits are spent.
(CHORUS)
Legalize it
Don't criticize it
Legalize it Yea-ah Yea-ah
And I will advertise it.

We are very, very, very safe compared to what all news sources want us to believe.


That makes me wonder... how much do you know? If I told you that Bin Laden has been dead for over two years would you view that statment as absurd or realize that it is just the tip of the ice berg of the deceit that we've been being fed?

(CHORUS)
Legalize it
Don't criticize it
Legalize it Yea-ah Yea-ah
And I will advertise it.

Legalize it, tax it and regulate it.

Which means constantly investigate it, as it pays for itself then.

That makes me wonder... how much do you know? If I told you that Bin Laden has been dead for over two years would you view that statment as absurd or realize that it is just the tip of the ice berg of the deceit that we've been being fed?



Bin Laden was practically a cripple, and most likely has died by now. Too bad most Americans don't realize that, like, you know, you.



Edit: Yeah, the slight was mostly to annoy you

That makes me wonder... how much do you know? If I told you that Bin Laden has been dead for over two years would you view that statment as absurd or realize that it is just the tip of the ice berg of the deceit that we've been being fed?
what line to the truth do you have that we dont?

If I told you that Bin Laden has been dead for over two years...
Well, it would've been a pretty pointless hoax with those tapes floating around. Not that Bin Laden actually matters.

Legalize it, tax it and regulate it.

Which means constantly investigate it, as it pays for itself then.
""Based on a review of past successful cases in a variety of jurisdictions," the memo said, the best odds of conviction come with pornography that "includes bestiality, urination, defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior." No word on the universe of other kinks that helps make porn a multibillion-dollar industry."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/19/AR2005091901570.html

Do you really believe the FBI should give any concentration to consenting adults that poo on each other?

That makes me wonder... how much do you know? If I told you that Bin Laden has been dead for over two years would you view that statment as absurd or realize that it is just the tip of the ice berg of the deceit that we've been being fed?
Ooh . . . I love a good conspiracy.

Tell us, grandpa, tell us about the alien mind control,
and the black helicopters.
And the Evil Republican Jew Corporate Media,
with Black Liberal Bias.
And remind us always about jets with chemical trails,
and Russian weather control.

I think I got the syllable count right, but, yeah, inane poetry for inane posts.

"Bin Laden was practically a cripple, and most likely has died by now. Too bad most Americans don't realize that, like, you know, you."

I mistyped meaning that the deceit is that bin laden is alive, whereas the truth is that he is almost certainly dead.

what line to the truth do you have that we dont?
I don't have access to any information that other people don't (outside of knowing some people in the FBI but that does not amount to much) but I read enough sources, most of them international, to get a clearer picture of what is going on than someone who gets the news only from the mainstream US media. I'm not at all saying that I have special sources or inside information.

I've always been partial to the British World Trade world takover conspiracy, myself.


70% of the world's population will die because of the evil British monarchy!

"Bin Laden was practically a cripple, and most likely has died by now. Too bad most Americans don't realize that, like, you know, you."

I mistyped meaning that the deceit is that bin laden is alive, whereas the truth is that he is almost certainly dead.

Yeah, from what I've read he does seem that way. Sorry about being hostile, it's post superbowl, I'm tired, and I was rooting for the Seahawks :(

"Bin Laden was practically a cripple, and most likely has died by now. Too bad most Americans don't realize that, like, you know, you."

I mistyped meaning that the deceit is that bin laden is alive, whereas the truth is that he is almost certainly dead.


I don't have access to any information that other people don't (outside of knowing some people in the FBI but that does not amount to much) but I read enough sources, most of them international, to get a clearer picture of what is going on than someone who gets the news only from the mainstream US media. I'm not at all saying that I have special sources or inside information.
when was the last time there was a verifiable video tape of bin laden? it seems like a long time but i might be wrong.

it would not surprise me at all to find that the CIA is lying every time they verify that the voice on an audio tape is bin laden. they have lied about way too many other things for me to think them incapable of it.

when was the last time there was a verifiable video tape of bin laden? it seems like a long time but i might be wrong.

it would not surprise me at all to find that the CIA is lying every time they verify that the voice on an audio tape is bin laden. they have lied about way too many other things for me to think them incapable of it.


The only way we know what Bin Laden says in those tapes of him is from the dubbing that the CIA does :D

Already the thread is sidetracked with terrorism. Can you imagine what it's like if you're an FBI agent?

The only way we know what Bin Laden says in those tapes of him is from the dubbing that the CIA does :D
uhhhhh i dont think so

those tapes are delivered to aljazeera. if the us govt were flat out lying about what they say, someone would notice and make us a world wide laughing stock.

i just dont automatically believe them when they say its for sure him.

Already the thread is sidetracked with terrorism. Can you imagine what it's like if you're an FBI agent?


Your question was already answered, what do you expect? :D




EDIT: To Ashmoria: I did say the only way we know.

All of those saying we should not investigate porn or prostitution are forgetting something.

Many women are forced into prostitution. They are brought to this country on the promise of freedom, then the people who bring them here force them to work as prostitutes. There is a word for this. SLAVERY! It was outlawed, for good reason. These women are being forced to do something AGAINST there will, and can get diseases and pregnancy to double. While obviously this is not the case for all prostitutes, the FBI should try to save the women that this is happening to.

And now for the porn. Heard of child pornography? You know, one of those sick things that makes most people vomit. Children often kidnapped or forced into pornography by parents who should be in jail and have the key thrown away. These cases should be investigated by the FBI.

All of those saying we should not investigate porn or prostitution are forgetting something.

Many women are forced into prostitution. They are brought to this country on the promise of freedom, then the people who bring them here force them to work as prostitutes. There is a word for this. SLAVERY! It was outlawed, for good reason. These women are being forced to do something AGAINST there will, and can get diseases and pregnancy to double. While obviously this is not the case for all prostitutes, the FBI should try to save the women that this is happening to.

And now for the porn. Heard of child pornography? You know, one of those sick things that makes most people vomit. Children often kidnapped or forced into pornography by parents who should be in jail and have the key thrown away. These cases should be investigated by the FBI.


If the government legalized prostitution, it'd have more control over prostitution. There would still be a lot of problems, but the sick pimps/slavedrivers would be screwed. I think legalizing it would definetely be a decent start.

And when I said the FBI shouldn't concern itself with porn, I was supposing that the only porn in question was legal, consenting adults-type porn. Of course child porn should be investigated, that's, among other charges, assault, statutory rape, and, well, child porn.

All of those saying we should not investigate porn or prostitution are forgetting something.

Many women are forced into prostitution. They are brought to this country on the promise of freedom, then the people who bring them here force them to work as prostitutes. There is a word for this. SLAVERY! It was outlawed, for good reason. These women are being forced to do something AGAINST there will, and can get diseases and pregnancy to double. While obviously this is not the case for all prostitutes, the FBI should try to save the women that this is happening to.

And now for the porn. Heard of child pornography? You know, one of those sick things that makes most people vomit. Children often kidnapped or forced into pornography by parents who should be in jail and have the key thrown away. These cases should be investigated by the FBI.
absolutely

these things are CRIMES and need to be investigated. how else will these horrible people be brought to justice?

i have no problem with the fbi going after forced prostitution or child porn. thats what i WANT them to do

so why waste time on the stuff that is made with willing adults who get paid for their participation?

Guys, you're missing the point. The FBI isn't "investigating porn." It can't; porn is legal. It's investigating illegal porn---basically, the stuff that isn't licensed, taxed, and regulated. It's basically the moonshine version of pornography, and I don't think anyone is angry over the government arresting bootleggers. (Except for the bootleggers themselves)

Guys, you're missing the point. The FBI isn't "investigating porn." It can't; porn is legal. It's investigating illegal porn---basically, the stuff that isn't licensed, taxed, and regulated. It's basically the moonshine version of pornography, and I don't think anyone is angry over the government arresting bootleggers. (Except for the bootleggers themselves)
you need to read the article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/19/AR2005091901570.html

its adult porn they are going after. legal adult porn.

All of those saying we should not investigate porn or prostitution are forgetting something.

Many women are forced into prostitution. They are brought to this country on the promise of freedom, then the people who bring them here force them to work as prostitutes. There is a word for this. SLAVERY! It was outlawed, for good reason. These women are being forced to do something AGAINST there will, and can get diseases and pregnancy to double. While obviously this is not the case for all prostitutes, the FBI should try to save the women that this is happening to.

And now for the porn. Heard of child pornography? You know, one of those sick things that makes most people vomit. Children often kidnapped or forced into pornography by parents who should be in jail and have the key thrown away. These cases should be investigated by the FBI.
Then why the fuck are they wasting time with porn involving well known LEGAL CONSENTING ADULTS!

Guys, you're missing the point. The FBI isn't "investigating porn." It can't; porn is legal. It's investigating illegal porn---basically, the stuff that isn't licensed, taxed, and regulated. It's basically the moonshine version of pornography, and I don't think anyone is angry over the government arresting bootleggers. (Except for the bootleggers themselves)
You really did not read the posted article did you

I don't view porn as a problem at all anyways, or prostitution for that matter.

I don't know who said this first, but...


"Selling is legal.
Fucking is legal.
So selling fucking should be legal too"

I believe it was George Carlin.

I believe it was George Carlin.

*shrug* I was thinking Chris Rock myself, he comes off as more blunt while Carlin seems more cynical/bitter.

uhhhhh i dont think so

those tapes are delivered to aljazeera. if the us govt were flat out lying about what they say, someone would notice and make us a world wide laughing stock.




Not to feed the crazies, but: Who's to say the people leaking the tapes to the arabian media aren't the CIA?


" ... gather evidence against "manufacturers and purveyors" of pornography -- not the kind exploiting children, but the kind that depicts, and is marketed to, consenting adults."

i am completly for a task force fighting against slavery and child abuse, i am against a task force fighting against my god given right as an american to see a set of DD's.

and as for the "how are we going to know the truth" question, you are being lied to, that is the truth. The closest you will ever come to knowing the full story is documentarys like loose change and the smartest guys in the room (which is almost half bullshit itself) and penn and tellers bullshit (which is at least half bullshit). just be content in the fact that you arent part of the majority with "faith".

All of those saying we should not investigate porn or prostitution are forgetting something.

Many women are forced into prostitution. They are brought to this country on the promise of freedom, then the people who bring them here force them to work as prostitutes. There is a word for this. SLAVERY! It was outlawed, for good reason. These women are being forced to do something AGAINST there will, and can get diseases and pregnancy to double. While obviously this is not the case for all prostitutes, the FBI should try to save the women that this is happening to.

And now for the porn. Heard of child pornography? You know, one of those sick things that makes most people vomit. Children often kidnapped or forced into pornography by parents who should be in jail and have the key thrown away. These cases should be investigated by the FBI.
Look, Jenna Jameson is not a slave; she just plays one on TV. There are slave rings and slavery is against the law, as you rightly pointed out. No doubt the FBI should be concerned with slavery because that definitely is without consent. And this isn't about child porn because child porn is the antithesis of consenting adults - which is what the thread is about. Consenting Adults.

Haven't read the thread, nor clicked on the link, but if you are giving a choice between terrorism or porn, sign me up for the big bucket of porno....

Haven't read the thread, nor clicked on the link, but if you are giving a choice between terrorism or porn, sign me up for the big bucket of porno....

I second the bucket of porno. You don't by chance mean an old, beat up KFC bucket full of homeade porno, do you?