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Just curious, I mean there are obviously some people here who are willing to help others out on their homework/math/etc. and there are apparently people here who want help on thier homework. Rather than prohibiting discussion of homework (which fosters rebellion, etc.) why not redirect it to a different forum?

...why not redirect it to a different forum?
that's what the spam forum is for.

No.

Hahaha!! too funny... :D

there are other places on the net more suited to that kind of thing, methinks

that's what the spam forum is for.

So you think there shouldn't be a homework help section (since it's obviously a popular thread choice) and instead just move the threads to spam?

See, I see it like this:

Those who want homework help will post here anyway, despite the sticky. However, if there is a forum clearly labelled "Homework Help" then they will go there.

Those of you who hate these homework threads wouldn't have to see them because they would all be posted in the homework forum. But if you prohibit homework-type threads and provide no outlet for them to be posted then you will still have to see them get posted here all the time by people who think they can get the answer before their thread is deleted.

I think this idea is absolutely gh3y.

there are other places on the net more suited to that kind of thing, methinks

Obviously, but there are a number of users here who are willing to provide homework help and a greater number of users here who need help.

I don't see why we should redirect them to another site when you could just redirect them to another forum.

if you prohibit homework-type threads and provide no outlet for them to be posted then you will still have to see them get posted here all the time by people who think they can get the answer before their thread is deleted.
Maybe the students in question should shift off their lazy asses and go get their homework done instead of sleazily co-opting NS to get their work done for them.

google is your friend...asking your teacher is a good idea too, they get paid for it

I think this idea is absolutely gh3y.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=466093

You're welcome. :)

Obviously, but there are a number of users here who are willing to provide homework help and a greater number of users here who need help.

I don't see why we should redirect them to another site when you could just redirect them to another forum.
And you're a parent? The same proud parent who wrote about how amazingly amazing his son is with math?

For shame.

I thought this was an open question, you'll have to accept some people have a different opinion on the subject.
I'd say it's more often the case that people are bored out of their minds so they'll answer the questions, but not because it's a real willingness to provide the correct answers...
Personally I think it's not the best of ideas to have a homework forum anyways...getting others to do your work for you isn't the point of homwork assignments.
but that's just my 2¢...

Obviously, but there are a number of users here who are willing to provide homework help and a greater number of users here who need help.

I don't see why we should redirect them to another site when you could just redirect them to another forum.
meh, good point. i really don't mind either way (i've gotten pretty good at ignoring threads by now) and its not for me to decide anyway.

i should think the answer will be "no" though, if you bring it up with the mods/admin... there's been talk of splitting off bits of General before, and they've all fallen flat

See the Mod ruling at the top of the forum. The answer is no.

See the Mod ruling at the top of the forum. The answer is no.

Umm... I'm looking in the mod ruling and I see nothing that concerns the creation of a homework forum.

Heaven forbid people should do their own homework instead of asking others to do it for them.

If you really can't answer the questions in your homework then you need to bring it up with your teacher. Having someone else tell you the answer isn't going to help you the next time the question comes up.

I think the conclusion you can draw from it is pretty obvious:rolleyes:

Umm... I'm looking in the mod ruling and I see nothing that concerns the creation of a homework forum.

Umm... I'm looking in the mod ruling and I see nothing that concerns the creation of a homework forum.
well... there was no 'ask a' forum, there shall be no homework forum :p

Umm... I'm looking in the mod ruling and I see nothing that concerns the creation of a homework forum.
The fact that homework help threads are now banned in this forum, implies they would not be permitted in a dedicated forum. That's how moderation rulings work. You would not have much luck asking for a forum where you can post porn, for example.

What does homework have to do with Nationstates? Nothing. Hence, there will be no separate homework forum here as long as there is any common sense left with the mods/admins.

You want a homework forum? Create one yourself. (http://invisionfree.com/) It is completely superfluous here.

Heaven forbid people should do their own homework instead of asking others to do it for them.

If you really can't answer the questions in your homework then you need to bring it up with your teacher. Having someone else tell you the answer isn't going to help you the next time the question comes up.

This isn't the point; people who want homework help will post here regardless of any stickies that say they can't. You will still see the threads:

"Need help with math!" etc, etc.

They will just be deleted sooner.

However, if a forum is created then those posts will all end up in there and you won't have to see them here.

I would also beg to differ about being told the answer. It's called reverse engineering and when you have the solution you can usually work backwards and find out how that solution was reached.

As for bored posters, isn't it better they channel that boredom into usefulness in helping people with homework than by posting spam?

What does homework have to do with Nationstates? Nothing. Hence, there will be no separate homework forum here as long as there is any common sense left with the mods/admins.

You want a homework forum? Create one yourself. (http://invisionfree.com/) It is completely superfluous here.

What does general have to do with Nationstates? Nothing. Hence, there should be no seperate general forum here as soon as we get some mods with common sense.

You want your general forum back? Create one yourself. (http://invisionfree.com/) It is completely superfluous here.

:rolleyes:

This isn't the point; people who want homework help will post here regardless of any stickies that say they can't. You will still see the threads:

"Need help with math!" etc, etc.

They will just be deleted sooner.

However, if a forum is created then those posts will all end up in there and you won't have to see them here.

I would also beg to differ about being told the answer. It's called reverse engineering and when you have the solution you can usually work backwards and find out how that solution was reached.

As for bored posters, isn't it better they channel that boredom into usefulness in helping people with homework than by posting spam?

Past experiences prove stickies along with warnings do help...
And be honest, how many kids work like that? Most are just happy to have the answer and don't care how they got it. Teachers can much better explain how stuff works.

And no, helping lazy kids with homework is not better than having a nice discussion on a political subject or some social interaction in what you might call spam

As for bored posters, isn't it better they channel that boredom into usefulness in helping people with homework than by posting spam?
Not really, no. Spam is harmless; stunting the intellectual growth of lazy young people sn't.

What does general have to do with Nationstates? Nothing. Hence, there should be no seperate general forum here as soon as we get some mods with common sense.

You want your general forum back? Create one yourself. (http://invisionfree.com/) It is completely superfluous here.

:rolleyes:

General was intended for political discussions, perfectly fitting for a political simulation game.

And...you don't get to decide what forums will come and which not.

Not really, no. Spam is harmless; stunting the intellectual growth of lazy young people sn't.

Success through homework rarely allows someone to pass a course. If they decided to just get answers on homework and not bother to find out how to get those answers themselves then they are only hurting well... themselves. Once it comes to testing, they will utterly fail.

And since quizzes/tests usually count for the greatest portion of the class, they will fail.

Success through homework rarely allows someone to pass a course. If they decided to just get answers on homework and not bother to find out how to get those answers themselves then they are only hurting well... themselves. Once it comes to testing, they will utterly fail.

And since quizzes/tests usually count for the greatest portion of the class, they will fail.

Do you even have any idea how kids these days work? Or think?

What does general have to do with Nationstates?

It is a political forum in a political game. Has tonnes of stuff to do with NS.

General was intended for political discussions, perfectly fitting for a political simulation game.

And...you don't get to decide what forums will come and which not.

Which is why the description of the General forum says discussion/debate about anything -- not just politics. Should we, perhaps, outlaw all non-political discussion in these forums?

As for the post you quoted, it was a mockery of Fass' if you couldn't tell.

Do you even have any idea how kids these days work? Or think?

Do you even have any idea how classes are scored these days? "Cheating" on homework will not allow these kids to pass the class. Cheating on tests will, but this is the teacher's responsibility to monitor, not ours.

Which is why the description of the General forum says discussion/debate about anything -- not just politics. Should we, perhaps, outlaw all non-political discussion in these forums?

As for the post you quoted, it was a mockery of Fass' if you couldn't tell.

Sarcasm doesn't carry over too well over the net. Especially when English isn't your native language.
Also, the description of NS General comes from a time pre-jolt, even pre-mods, I believe

Success through homework rarely allows someone to pass a course. If they decided to just get answers on homework and not bother to find out how to get those answers themselves then they are only hurting well... themselves. Once it comes to testing, they will utterly fail.

And since quizzes/tests usually count for the greatest portion of the class, they will fail.
Well, then - they fail. Failure is in itself a lesson, one more valuable than learning how to get other people to do your thinking for you.

Which is why the description of the General forum says discussion/debate about anything -- not just politics. Should we, perhaps, outlaw all non-political discussion in these forums?

As for the post you quoted, it was a mockery of Fass' if you couldn't tell.
...with the exception of superfluous topics like spam and homework help. if they need homework help, they should go to a textbook or talk to their friends from school, assuming they have any.

Sarcasm doesn't carry over too well over the net. Especially when English isn't your native language.
Also, the description of NS General comes from a time pre-jolt, even pre-mods, I believe

Sorry, the near-exact recreation of his post in mine was a dead give-away I though.

The description doesn't come pre-NS does it?

Do you even have any idea how classes are scored these days? "Cheating" on homework will not allow these kids to pass the class. Cheating on tests will, but this is the teacher's responsibility to monitor, not ours.

Yeah, I do, I'm in school myself. Now you are at the root of the problem here too. We can give these kids the answers, make their homework for them, and keep them dumb. Or we can encourage them to ask a teacher or give it a good try themselves.

Federal IRS Auditors is a veteran of 18 posts, one of which is a blatant troll about his "smart son", so perhaps we shouldn't be feeding this troll.

I expect his "smart son" got his homework help from the 37 gay websites he went to. But somehow I wonder why someone who has a "smart son" needs help with his homework. Perhaps this person doesn't really have a "smart son" and is really a 13 year old who can't do his homework.

Sorry, the near-exact recreation of his post in mine was a dead give-away I though.

The description doesn't come pre-NS does it?

Nope, just seemed you were making a poor attempt at looking smart.

I'll just ignore your last question, careful, your trolling is becoming too obvious

Federal IRS Auditors is a veteran of 18 posts, one of which is a blatant troll about his "smart son", so perhaps we shouldn't be feeding this troll.

I expect his "smart son" got his homework help from the 37 gay websites he went to. But somehow I wonder why someone who has a "smart son" needs help with his homework. Perhaps this person doesn't really have a "smart son" and is really a 13 year old who can't do his homework.
or perhaps this is merely a puppet and his only means of entertainment.

Federal IRS Auditors is a veteran of 18 posts, one of which is a blatant troll about his "smart son", so perhaps we shouldn't be feeding this troll.

I expect his "smart son" got his homework help from the 37 gay websites he went to. But somehow I wonder why someone who has a "smart son" needs help with his homework. Perhaps this person doesn't really have a "smart son" and is really a 13 year old who can't do his homework.

Great argument. In fact, I think I'll quit NS now and just put aside my trollish ways because you are 100% dead on!

Especially that part where I mentioned my son requiring homework help. Oh wait... I didn't.

Frankly, a homework forum has nothing to do with NS, does it? So waht would the point be?

*yawn*

Great argument. In fact, I think I'll quit NS now and just put aside my trollish ways because you are 100% dead on!

Especially that part where I mentioned my son requiring homework help. Oh wait... I didn't.

Oh wait, neither did I. Comprehension skills of a 13 year old too...

Frankly, a homework forum has nothing to do with NS, does it? So waht would the point be?

That's true, which is why on second thought, I believe an "Advice" thread would be more appropriate. That would be the place where you could ask all about what type of excercising is best, ask for help on homework, even post those "Ask a ..." threads.

That's true, which is why on second thought, I believe an "Advice" thread would be more appropriate. That would be the place where you could ask all about what type of excercising is best, ask for help on homework, even post those "Ask a ..." threads.
And that's precisely what the spam forum is for. Isn't NS just wonderful? Everything's already been taken care of! :D

Oh wait, neither did I. Comprehension skills of a 13 year old too...

"But somehow I wonder why someone who has a "smart son" needs help with his homework."

Was this in reference to some other person who claimed they had a smart son? Or were you implying that I needed help with my homework?

No, there are so many websites for that. Although they are hard to find, Jolt shouldn't become a place for whiny lazy ass bastards.

Was this in reference to some other person who claimed they had a smart son? Or were you implying that I needed help with my homework?
Now what would give you that idea? :rolleyes:

Was this in reference to some other person who claimed they had a smart son? Or were you implying that I needed help with my homework?

Wow! The latter. Did you start a forum to get that answer or did you work it out for yourself?

So you think there shouldn't be a homework help section (since it's obviously a popular thread choice) and instead just move the threads to spam?

See, I see it like this:

Those who want homework help will post here anyway, despite the sticky. However, if there is a forum clearly labelled "Homework Help" then they will go there.

Those of you who hate these homework threads wouldn't have to see them because they would all be posted in the homework forum. But if you prohibit homework-type threads and provide no outlet for them to be posted then you will still have to see them get posted here all the time by people who think they can get the answer before their thread is deleted.


Those who continue to post requests for homework help will be warned for spamming. We're not talking about one or two; we're talking about people posting over a dozen threads asking for help in at least three subject areas. It has NOTHING to do with Nationstates, and honestly, if you're that "desperate" and "useless" (not my words) then maybe you should NOT be spending all this time on line asking other people to break it down into tiny, easily digestible pieces for you.

There are resources within the schools to do this. There are resources on the web to do this. They are not here.