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From reading much of the recent threads, it is clear that a vast majority of NationStates posters believe Jerry "Tinky Winky" Falwell's message that Islam is a wicked and evil religion and that Muhammad was a terrorist.

So assuming you had the resources and clout to do so, what would you do to solve the problem with Islamic extremism? And please tell me what you really feel, after all this is an open discussion. Don't hold back if you believe Islam should be declared illegal and all Muslims should be converted or exterminated.

From reading much of the recent threads, it is clear that a vast majority of NationStates posters believe Jerry "Tinky Winky" Falwell's message that Islam is a wicked and evil religion and that Muhammad was a terrorist.

So assuming you had the resources and clout to do so, what would you do to solve the problem with Islamic extremism? And please tell me what you really feel, after all this is an open discussion. Don't hold back if you believe Islam should be declared illegal and all Muslims should be converted or exterminated.


For bonus points provide the answer to the Irish question.

Candidates should write on only one side of the page.

You'll have plenty of people who'll say various things - but if they find themselves with a gun, in one of the internment camps and are asked to shoot a kid's mother for not renouncing her faith, a bit of humanity will return.

I count on it.

I would unite the entire world under a secular theocratic Muslim/Buddhist regime that would stand for ten thousand years. And then I would ride into the sunsent. On a pegasus.

I would unite the entire world under a secular theocratic Muslim/Buddhist regime that would stand for ten thousand years. And then I would ride into the sunsent. On a pegasus.
You forgot the magickal ponies. You have to have them do your secretarial work.

So assuming you had the resources and clout to do so, what would you do to solve the problem with Islamic extremism? And please tell me what you really feel, after all this is an open discussion. Don't hold back if you believe Islam should be declared illegal and all Muslims should be converted or exterminated.

Oh.. I won't hold back. *Don't worry* What would I do? I would get rid of the problem. I would stop the Jews.

For bonus points provide the answer to the Irish question.

Candidates should write on only one side of the page.

Her Majesty's Warships in Boston Harbor? Or does it only work one way?

I would unite the entire world under a secular theocratic Muslim/Buddhist regime that would stand for ten thousand years. And then I would ride into the sunsent. On a pegasus.

Maud'dib?

Don't hold back if you believe Islam should be declared illegal and all Muslims should be converted or exterminated.
Is that your erm... *ahem* final solution, then?

Maud'dib?

DUNE! (right?) :)

You forgot the magickal ponies. You have to have them do your secretarial work.

I was hoping to get seraphim to do that, but sure, why not? I'm an equal opprotunity discriminator, after all. So long as they're qualified.

Oh.. I won't hold back. *Don't worry* What would I do? I would get rid of the problem. I would stop the Jews.I would go back in time.. and instead of giving them Palestine.. I would give them Rhode Island so they can create Israel.

That would not solve all problems.. But it would solve the most Urgent ones.

2 words, COMEDY CLUB!

From reading much of the recent threads, it is clear that a vast majority of NationStates posters believe Jerry "Tinky Winky" Falwell's message that Islam is a wicked and evil religion and that Muhammad was a terrorist.

So assuming you had the resources and clout to do so, what would you do to solve the problem with Islamic extremism? And please tell me what you really feel, after all this is an open discussion. Don't hold back if you believe Islam should be declared illegal and all Muslims should be converted or exterminated.

Majority?

I doubt that. I certainly don't agree with that statement.

I think that many muslims aren't really muslims. I think that the Islamic religious community would do itself a great deal of good if they recognized islamic cultists for what they are as Christianity has for their kooks. There will always be religious kooks. They really need to be sorted out and isolated, though. *nod*

For bonus points provide the answer to the Irish question.I would magically take all the Orangists back to the UK..and tell Dublin: "Ireland is whole again... good luck"

I would go back in time.. and instead of giving them Palestine.. I would give them Rhode Island so they can create Israel.

That would not solve all problems.. But i Would solve the most Urgent ones.

I would have done the right thing in the beginning and given them Germany!

(punative damages for pain and suffering)

DUNE! (right?) :)

Yah.

I would have done the right thing in the beginning and given them Germany!why not Rodhe Island?

and where would you send the huge German population?

why not Rodhe Island?

and where would you send the huge German population?

France. Apparently, that's where they wanted to be anyway. :p

France. Apparently, that's where they wanted to be anyway. :p

nooo...they'd ruin the food.

why not Rodhe Island?

and where would you send the huge German population?

Well, ok, a chunk of Germany and let them sell the remainder back to them.

France. Apparently, that's where they wanted to be anyway. :p
And then we put the French in Palestine, right?
Considering their immigration patterns, the French will be surrounded and outnumbered by Arabs anyway, might as well have given them a head start.

I would go back in time.. and instead of giving them Palestine.. I would give them Rhode Island so they can create Israel.

That would not solve all problems.. But it would solve the most Urgent ones.

No, you should give them Alaska. That way they'd still have oil and ergo feel important.

nooo...they'd ruin the food.

You know he may have a point. I never really was too fond of horsemeat and snails anyway.

No, you should give them Alaska. That way they'd still have oil and ergo feel important.
You know, ironically that's exactly what Ahmadinejad said.

But if they want to come back to Germany, I think that would be nice. I only wouldn't want to make it an exclusive Jewish state, because I don't agree with that sort of racial/religious division by the state.

And then we put the French in Palestine, right?
Considering their immigration patterns, the French will be surrounded and outnumbered by Arabs anyway, might as well have given them a head start.

Now you're getting into dipping the old Rothschilds underwear in starch. :p

Well, ok, a chunk of Germany and let them sell the remainder back to them.I would agree with that..

Something the size of what they have now...

I would go back in time.. and instead of giving them Palestine.. I would give them Rhode Island so they can create Israel.

That would not solve all problems.. But it would solve the most Urgent ones.
I'd give them nothing. Theocratic states shouldn't exist. Let them live where they want, where they want and make sure they're not persecuted. That's what the european powers of before should have done. That's what they didn't have the courage/respect to do. They prefered to "park" all the Jews they could find and the perfect place to do so was their "ancestral land", a sad excuse if anything.

You know he may have a point. I never really was too fond of horsemeat and snails anyway.

The food in france is better than the food in germany. Just the way it is.

And think of the poor wine industry. Gallons of undrinkable sweet grape juice. Blech.

i think the irish issue should be solved be uniting ireland in a secular workers state under the ideas of its greatest political martyr james connolly. all power to the workers and the citizens army, to hell with the bosses and the priest and preachers and the stupid orange and green gang colors.

And then we put the French in Palestine, right?The French would never move to Palestine..

and besides the thread is about reducing the tensions.. not making it a bigger problem.

Maybe they should all smoke a little weed, and watch some porn.

Maybe they should all smoke a little weed, and watch some porn.that always work for me :D

that always work for me :D

It works for everyone. Damn William Randolph Hearst and Mary Whitehouse.

for islam i say lets help all the islamists to get elected so they can have their turn at screwing everything up and being corrupted by power. it might take a couple generations but once the islamic world has had it chance to see that nostalgia for the califate aint all its cracked up to be they'll go toward a homegrown semisecular version of what the west likes to call liberal democracy or social democracy. i just hope the west has move past that cliche by then, i'd hate to think this is as good as it gets.

actually i really hope weed and porn are part of the post liberal democracy society... that and socialism and short work weeks and immortality.

The French would never move to Palestine..

and besides the thread is about reducing the tensions.. not making it a bigger problem.

Yes, I failed to recognize the grape factor, even though a bit of starch in the Rothschild underwear sounds tempting.

The French would never move to Palestine..

and besides the thread is about reducing the tensions.. not making it a bigger problem.

The Crusades were pretty much the French moving to Palestine. Apparently the locals didn't seem to like the French too much. Had to do with their attitude or something. ;)

Oh.. I won't hold back. *Don't worry* What would I do? I would get rid of the problem. I would stop the Jews.
I would go back in time.. and instead of giving them Palestine.. I would give them Rhode Island so they can create Israel.

That would not solve all problems.. But it would solve the most Urgent ones.How quickly the blame flies to Jews and Israel. Most of the problems Islamic countries face, extremism being one of them, are homegrown. Lets just give credit where credit is due: they have fucked themselves over, and when their oil is all gone, will recede into the poverty and backwardness their leaders, at least, so richly deserve. I have no idea what has gone astray here, but it has gone astray and I fear that nothing much but the unprediclable tides of history will cahnge that.

i would put fanatics; christian, moslem, captiolist, and every other flavour and stripe, in a situation where they have to depend on each other, up close and personal, for survival, and where they can leave the rest of us alone to build a world compatable with what god and nature has given us all.

i can see maybe why this thread was titled the way was, but i think really it is a fanatacism problem and no form of fanatacism, religeous, economic, or idiological, is any less a part of it then any other.

the romanticly smart ass answer which tempts me is extrodinary rendition of karl rove, donald rumsfield, bush II (he may be an idiot but he did volunteer to support and push through the crazyness he ignorantly boasts of taking credit for) and of course that pseudoreligeos whatever he is, fallwell.

well not rendition to some uzbekki torture chamber, but a holding cell at the world court, for a much fairer and more impartial trial, then the're likely to ever give or have given their pet proxy tyrannts.

but in reality wishing or even causing harm, while emminently appealing viscerialy, tends in reality to become, if not be to begin with, fanaticsm itself.

and thus even more of the same problem all over again.

honor is never served by vengence and real solutions are never found that way either. otherwise you're just immitating what your pretense is to dispise and ending up with a whole world hungry and blind.

=^^=
.../\...

i would put fanatics; christian, moslem, captiolist, and every other flavour and stripe,
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Would that include communist fanatics, too?

So assuming you had the resources and clout to do so, what would you do to solve the problem with Islamic extremism?
1. All nuclear weapons in the Middle East would be banned and/or scrapped.

2. Israel would be required to move back to pre 1967 borders.

3. Jerusalem would become a UN protectorate.

4. Financial military aid to Israel would cease.

5. Financial assistance to the newly created country of Palestine would be provided to bring the country up to a competetive state.

6. Institute a complete withdrawal of US forces from the Middle East.

7. Create a strong UN police force that would act against ANY Middle East country that violates the sovereignity of their neighbours, or commits acts of genocide against their people.

8. Create a UN negotiated peace treaty for the entire region with provision for annual review and adjustment.

Now that my fantasy has been written, I can go to bed. :D

Most of the problems Islamic countries face, extremism being one of them, are homegrown. Lets just give credit where credit is due: they have fucked themselves over, and when their oil is all gone, will recede into the poverty and backwardness their leaders, at least, so richly deserve. I have no idea what has gone astray here, but it has gone astray and I fear that nothing much but the unprediclable tides of history will cahnge that.
well alot of their problems relate to nostalgia for the good old days of conquest high culture and inventing the zero(and a number system you can effectively use to do higher math). quite a bit relates to a strong feeling the last 100 years or so haven't gone very well and its the european powers/americans/jews fault, which certainly has both elements of truth and falsehood in it.

i wouldn't count them out by any means they are a billion strong and growing much faster that any other religious group. they aren't just arabs, they are actually majority south asians and also african, central asian, and yes even european in ethnic origin, and they aren't going to fade away, they are going to remain a powerful and influentual force in the world no matter what happens to the middle easts oil.

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Yeah... that kinda falls apart around the word "genocide". That is, of course, reading it backwards.

Yeah... that kinda falls apart around the word "genocide". That is, of course, reading it backwards.
I did qualify it as "my fantasy". I don't believe that we will see those events happening anytime soon. Actually, I think it will get worse before it gets better, when/if the US invades/attacks Iran

I did qualify it as "my fantasy". I don't believe that we will see those events happening anytime soon. Actually, I think it will get worse before it gets better, when/if the US invades/attacks Iran

I know it was your fantasy. :p

I know it was your fantasy. :p
it sure as heck wasn't my fantasy, not enough nudity or spankings.

it sure as heck wasn't my fantasy, not enough nudity or spankings.

Too much info. :eek:

From reading much of the recent threads, it is clear that a vast majority of NationStates posters believe Jerry "Tinky Winky" Falwell's message that Islam is a wicked and evil religion and that Muhammad was a terrorist.

So assuming you had the resources and clout to do so, what would you do to solve the problem with Islamic extremism? And please tell me what you really feel, after all this is an open discussion. Don't hold back if you believe Islam should be declared illegal and all Muslims should be converted or exterminated.

How to "solve" the "problem" of Islamic extremism.

Wait.

Essentially, sooner or later, Islam will "solve" itself. Those things that westerners find most repugnant about it - rights of women under Islam, for instance - will be evolved out. Happened with Christianity.

Of course, if Christianity had been dealing with an all pervading culture - say the world-spanning Buddhist imperium - which mocked and derided large portions of it's belief system, whilst interfering in the internal politics of Christendom, i'm sure there'd be earnest Buddhists writing posts about "How to solve the problem of Christian extremism"

You'll have plenty of people who'll say various things - but if they find themselves with a gun, in one of the internment camps and are asked to shoot a kid's mother for not renouncing her faith, a bit of humanity will return.

I count on it.


Yah, well...dont.

It has happened before,and will likely happen again within our lifetimes.
The Holocaust.
Post-war Russia-Stalinism.
Pol Pot..."The Killing Fields".
Half the freaking continent of Africa......

In fact, it happens all too often.

what would you do to solve the problem with Islamic extremism?

I will repeat what I always say when quesions of these sort pop up.

I will promise bombing KSA and Pakistan back to stone age if they won't really crackdown on funding by sheikhs and running of camps by jihadi orgs in Pakistan.

To counter the ideology, there is a simple solution. Catch the mullah by his balls and squeeze it, the hearts and minds of the islamic world will follow.

I would agree with that..

Something the size of what they have now...

You touch our land, we stop building your tanks.

You touch our land, we stop building your tanks.
a) YOU ARE NOT GERMAN!!! How often do I have to tell you this?

b) Germany doesn't build Israel's tanks, nor does it build America's tanks. Israel builds pretty much all of its stuff itself. And they're pretty good at it too.

One solution is to wait for 400 years and the muslim thought-system will be about where we are now(as a whole. I know there are many muslims who think like us, but there are more who're still stuck in beliefs which seem old-timy to us). The problem with this solution is that in 400 years, our thought-system will be radically different too.

Appeasement is, from precedent, a failure, ergo we are compelled to either deport all Muslims from the west (I assure I would do it), or bomb the fuck out of the Islamic world to suppress it.

Appeasement is, from precedent, a failure, ergo we are compelled to either deport all Muslims from the west (I assure I would do it), or bomb the fuck out of the Islamic world to suppress it.
Hitler sent the Jews to internment camps and then decided to eliminate them all. You are not quite there in your thinking yet, but you are getting close.

I agree with that guy who said comedy clubs.. We'd need a lot of decent arab comics though.. loads of security to protect these funny men and women and of course the money and real estate to keep these clubs open for the generations needed to exact a lasting cultural change in the middle east..

Appeasement is, from precedent, a failure, ergo we are compelled to either deport all Muslims from the west (I assure I would do it), or bomb the fuck out of the Islamic world to suppress it.

Hitler would be proud.

As Kenny Everitt would say 'round em up put em in a field and bomb the barstewards'

From reading much of the recent threads, it is clear that a vast majority of NationStates posters believe Jerry "Tinky Winky" Falwell's message that Islam is a wicked and evil religion and that Muhammad was a terrorist.

So assuming you had the resources and clout to do so, what would you do to solve the problem with Islamic extremism? And please tell me what you really feel, after all this is an open discussion. Don't hold back if you believe Islam should be declared illegal and all Muslims should be converted or exterminated.

For bonus points, put more words in my mouth that I haven't said. It's your only way of making an argument.

Islam is not wicked or evil. But a lot has to be done about two things:

1. Their whole concept of dhimmitude, which they apply to all of us, including you.

2. Their undercurrent that supports violent action against those who would not submit.

No, they don't have to be converted. But their concept of dhimmitude makes respecting us in any way nearly impossible, while they require absolute respect from us.

If you can't see that, you're blind.

go back in time to teach them to play rugby and cricket and to ewear decent tailored trousers and sport blazers, or just send the Wurzels over on a long exclusive tour of the middle east that should sort it out well it would in my warped my mind

I will promise bombing KSA and Pakistan back to stone age if they won't really crackdown on funding by sheikhs and running of camps by jihadi orgs in Pakistan.

To counter the ideology, there is a simple solution. Catch the mullah by his balls and squeeze it, the hearts and minds of the islamic world will follow.

Will I admire your obvious knowledge on the geographical location of the problem, your solution seems to lack a certain.. well, solution - short of genocidal extermination.

If you kill one, it angers and turns two against you. If you kill 2, it angers and turns 4 against you. And so on and so forth. Not a very well thought out and rational answer.

As to the OP question: How long is a piece of string?

I will repeat what I always say when quesions of these sort pop up.

I will promise bombing KSA and Pakistan back to stone age if they won't really crackdown on funding by sheikhs and running of camps by jihadi orgs in Pakistan.

To counter the ideology, there is a simple solution. Catch the mullah by his balls and squeeze it, the hearts and minds of the islamic world will follow.

And I propose bombing the US back into the stone age unless they stop training South American paramillitaries, is that reasonable?

Will I admire your obvious knowledge on the geographical location of the problem, your solution seems to lack a certain.. well, solution - short of genocidal extermination.

If you kill one, it angers and turns two against you. If you kill 2, it angers and turns 4 against you. And so on and so forth. Not a very well thought out and rational answer.

As to the OP question: How long is a piece of string?

46.435cm

His Majesty Chirac the First is a lazy bastard...
Instead of making some nasty nuclear tests in the pacific he should try in other places. He said his Camembert Land is ready to use the nuke for good in case an asshole bother to much the great country.
I see lotta assholes around... :mp5:

You'll have plenty of people who'll say various things - but if they find themselves with a gun, in one of the internment camps and are asked to shoot a kid's mother for not renouncing her faith, a bit of humanity will return.

I count on it.
Yes just like the humanity of the Germans returned when they were ordered to kill my people.

The Milgram study has completely disproven your point. If they are ordered by someone they see as an authority they will do it.

I think it would be fascinating to convert all Jihadists to, say, Christianity.

Then you'd have a bunch of Christian terrorists and I'd be interested in seeing just how they deal with them.

A terrorist is a terrorist regardless of religion. Global ignorance to Islam is why using it to perform vile acts is so easy and accepted by non-Muslims.

I think it would be fascinating to convert all Jihadists to, say, Christianity.

Then you'd have a bunch of Christian terrorists and I'd be interested in seeing just how they deal with them.

A terrorist is a terrorist regardless of religion. Global ignorance to Islam is why using it to perform vile acts is so easy and accepted by non-Muslims.


Well if their really converted to Christianity then they wouldn't want to murder everyone :/. My idea actually would be to try and convert them all to Christianity, i'd just have to figure out a way so that Muslims can't kill Christians while their evangelizing.....

Well if their really converted to Christianity then they wouldn't want to murder everyone :/.

Muslims don't want to kill everyone either.

However, if the terrorists were running about killing in the name of Jesus, I'd be curious to see how the Christian community dealt with it.

go back in time to teach them to play rugby and cricket and to ewear decent tailored trousers and sport blazers, or just send the Wurzels over on a long exclusive tour of the middle east that should sort it out well it would in my warped my mind

Islamic people do play cricket... I should know cause I lived in Saudi Arabia and had never heard of the sport till I came their...

I justed wanted to say, go live in saudi arabia a few years, then have the same discussion... You'll have seriously changed your view i think... islam isn't so bad, its just how you interpret it and how people twist it to fit their own ideals... Most muslims are good/nice people and are not terrorists, its just those few that mess it up for everyone else.

Will I admire your obvious knowledge on the geographical location of the problem, your solution seems to lack a certain.. well, solution - short of genocidal extermination.

I am not going to bomb the whole country with the people in it. It was a figure of speech to be used as a threat to the regimes (to be conveyed in private). A show of intent of regime change in those two countries (of course conveyed in private) will do wonders to the half-hearted and half-assed clean up efforts on their part.

Funds from KSA and sanctuary and training from camps run by jihadi orgs in Pakistan are the biggest sources of islamist terrorism as of now. There has been little to no tackling of both these issues.

I would end all religions.

Build a huge wall around them. That always does the trick.

From reading much of the recent threads, it is clear that a vast majority of NationStates posters believe Jerry "Tinky Winky" Falwell's message that Islam is a wicked and evil religion and that Muhammad was a terrorist.

So assuming you had the resources and clout to do so, what would you do to solve the problem with Islamic extremism? And please tell me what you really feel, after all this is an open discussion. Don't hold back if you believe Islam should be declared illegal and all Muslims should be converted or exterminated.
Tell them to calm down.
And bring the violent ones to justice.

Put massive funds into developing alternative sources of energy to oil, then stop buying it from the Middle East. The collapse in their economies might get them thinking.

Oh.. I won't hold back. *Don't worry* What would I do? I would get rid of the problem. I would stop the Jews.

So are you racist or just a freakin idiot? I have seen your posts before and I have no idea what you believe in aside from Jews are to blame for societies ills. You need to get out and take control of your life. Hate to break it to you but Jews aren't out to get you. The last time someone insulted the Jews, instead of rioting and causing damage...they died in mass. Yeah that is a sure sign they run everything.

Put massive funds into developing alternative sources of energy to oil, then stop buying it from the Middle East. The collapse in their economies might get them thinking.
I vote Yeah

From reading much of the recent threads, it is clear that a vast majority of NationStates posters believe Jerry "Tinky Winky" Falwell's message that Islam is a wicked and evil religion and that Muhammad was a terrorist.
Wow, a thread that starts out with a strawman attack! You don't see that a lot.

Wow, a thread that starts out with a strawman attack! You don't see that a lot.
Damnit! Either it's because you new here or just not sensible but either way, where's the goddamn smiley!? Are you being naive or sarcastic!? I don't know!? Quit messing with my mind!

From reading much of the recent threads, it is clear that a vast majority of NationStates posters believe Jerry "Tinky Winky" Falwell's message that Islam is a wicked and evil religion and that Muhammad was a terrorist.

So assuming you had the resources and clout to do so, what would you do to solve the problem with Islamic extremism? And please tell me what you really feel, after all this is an open discussion. Don't hold back if you believe Islam should be declared illegal and all Muslims should be converted or exterminated.
i would leave the muslim worerld alone to sodomize their camels and goats
as for muslims in my own country..as much as i despise such a backward religion(most religions are) i beleive in respecting religious freedom
i would leave them be unless..if any even small indication of fundamentalist terrorism occured emergency poers would be enacted i would round the bastards up and deport them..or if citizens execute them for treason
if my country experienced so much as one theo van gogh i would organize
violence that would make kristal nacht look like a tupperwear party
if they behave fine
they fuck with MY people
the die watching their women being :sniper: raped and set on fire..

Put massive funds into developing alternative sources of energy to oil, then stop buying it from the Middle East. The collapse in their economies might get them thinking.

Collapse of economy would only get more cannon fodder. It would be very counterprouctive.

Focus on the cannon (the infrastructure) and the hands that ignite the cannon (terrorist groups) and the regimes that provide sanctuaries to the groups.

i would leave the muslim worerld alone to sodomize their camels and goats
as for muslims in my own country..as much as i despise such a backward religion(most religions are) i beleive in respecting religious freedom
i would leave them be unless..if any even small indication of fundamentalist terrorism occured emergency poers would be enacted i would round the bastards up and deport them..or if citizens execute them for treason
if my country experienced so much as one theo van gogh i would organize
violence that would make kristal nacht look like a tupperwear party
if they behave fine
they fuck with MY people
the die watching their women being :sniper: raped and set on fire..
What you are saying in essence then, is that you are no better than the muslim extremists? Actually, I believe what you propose is much, much worse than the extremists.

Considering that "Islamist" extremists are an incredibly small minority of Muslims limited to the middle east whose goals are more political than religious, I'd ignore the religious aspect of it all together. The primary solution would be for America to stop fucking around with other peoples countries. That is why Al-qaida exists, we trained and funded them in the 1970's so we could use them against the USSR. The reason Iran hates us is because we put the Shah in power in the 1950's, kept him in place while he brutalized his people, and then after their current government took power we gave funding and support to Iraq to fight against them.

So my wishs (which are of course unattainable), America immediately withdraws from Iraq; we cut all financial aid to ALL middle eastern countries (I'd prefer to the world); we end our "special relationship" with Israel (and outlaw AIPAC); we (or the UN) force Israel to return to its 1948 borders; and we let Iran build their power plant. If any further intervention has to be done after that it should be to help Palestine become truly independent of Israel and to force Israel to give up its nuclear weapons.

From reading much of the recent threads, it is clear that a vast majority of NationStates posters believe Jerry "Tinky Winky" Falwell's message that Islam is a wicked and evil religion and that Muhammad was a terrorist.

So assuming you had the resources and clout to do so, what would you do to solve the problem with Islamic extremism? And please tell me what you really feel, after all this is an open discussion. Don't hold back if you believe Islam should be declared illegal and all Muslims should be converted or exterminated.
My solution for radical Islam is the same as my solution for all superstition: education. Education, education, education. It's all about fostering an informed society founded on honorable, secular values, and encouraging education for the population. Prohibition will never kill superstition, so nothing will be accomplished by flat-out banning it.

My solution for radical Islam is the same as my solution for all superstition: education. Education, education, education. It's all about fostering an informed society founded on honorable, secular values, and encouraging education for the population. Prohibition will never kill superstition, so nothing will be accomplished by flat-out banning it.
You've got something there. The question is how.

Personally I think we should encourage (not legislate) mutual respect for other people in western countries. Oh, and stop this ridiculous integration scheme they have in France, it's obvious that it only alienates people and encourages radicalism.

You've got something there. The question is how.
We know how. We can do it. We are starting to see some of it already; the more educated a population becomes, the more you see the radical religious superstitions decline. Look at the most radical fundamentalist groups, and you will notice that they all share a horror of education and information...because they KNOW that education and accurate information will kill their fundamentalism. They know that children who are informed and able to think are a whole lot less likely to blindly obey a radical religious tradition.

The problem is that the results are slow in coming. It can be very discouraging, because we don't see the fundamentalism go *poof* over night. It will take generations, and that means most of us who are currently working toward this end will not live to actually see our goal accomplished. That can really be a downer. The key is to concentrate on individuals, on making individual lives better, because then you can keep your spirits up while making progress toward a healthier and happier world.

We know how. We can do it. We are starting to see some of it already; the more educated a population becomes, the more you see the radical religious superstitions decline. Look at the most radical fundamentalist groups, and you will notice that they all share a horror of education and information...because they KNOW that education and accurate information will kill their fundamentalism. They know that children who are informed and able to think are a whole lot less likely to blindly obey a radical religious tradition.

The problem is that the results are slow in coming. It can be very discouraging, because we don't see the fundamentalism go *poof* over night. It will take generations, and that means most of us who are currently working toward this end will not live to actually see our goal accomplished. That can really be a downer. The key is to concentrate on individuals, on making individual lives better, because then you can keep your spirits up while making progress toward a healthier and happier world.

I believe the main problem counter to your idea of education is the whole madrassa system in Pakistan and other Middle Eastern countries.

They are the engine of education driving the extremists.

You'll need to close those schools permanently before you have a chance with your idea.

I believe the main problem counter to your idea of education is the whole madrassa system in Pakistan and other Middle Eastern countries.

They are the engine of education driving the extremists.

You'll need to close those schools permanently before you have a chance with your idea.
I don't think you necessarily have to close the schools. I think that would be premature. I think you simply have to work on your own corner of the world, until those fundamentalist nations are surrounded on all sides by nations that have embraced a saner system. At that point you'll see a kind of nation-sized positive peer pressure: if you surround a kid with strong, smart, honorable peers, the kid tends to take on those qualities and feed back into them. If fundamentalist nations are one day surrounded by sane, secular, educated governments, there will be a gradual positive influence that will eventually tip the balance.

I really believe that human beings put their self interest above all else, so all you've got to do is prove to them that religious fundamentalism isn't in their best interest. Once you do that, they don't follow it. The best way to convince them of this is by example: prove that your system works by making it really shine...make yourself a glowing example, and people will want to know your secret :).

Though education is certainly a good way to increase tolerance, reduce superstition, and in general improve people it is certainly not the ultimate answer to this problem. For it to work we'd have to redesign the education systems in the middle east, vastly increase their funding, and alter the curriculum to instill in them an ideology that support our interests: specifically increase materialism leading to a belief that everything is understandable through observation (science) and thus that spiritual explainations and the religions attached to them are unnecessary (from an explainatory perspective) and based in fallacies (or to be interpreted symbollically) leading to a widespread loss of Islam or a reevaluation of Islam as an interpretative moral code that leaves room for other moral codes. We certainly do not have the power or resources to go about this and I would argue that it is definitely not our place to do this. The main complaint from fundamentalist muslims (most of which are not violent anyways) that is actually rooted in ideology (as opposed to politics or the very natural desire to liberate one's country from abusive occupiers) is directed at the western materialism that they realize will undermine their faith (which of course is why we want to spread it to them in the first place). Again my thoughts, let them be Muslims, stop fucking around with their countries, and if a third statement needs to be added do something about the fundamentalist Christians in America.

I really believe that human beings put their self interest above all else, so all you've got to do is prove to them that religious fundamentalism isn't in their best interest. Once you do that, they don't follow it. The best way to convince them of this is by example: prove that your system works by making it really shine...make yourself a glowing example, and people will want to know your secret :).
You're thinking with the false assumption that we perceive as our best interest is the same as what they perceive as their self-interest. We are obviously looking at this from the materialistic perspective that the best system is the one which grants its members/followers the greatest material success, best health, most luxuries, and most freedom to indulge our desires. The best system from the perspective of a Muslim would be one that encourages the virtue of its members to ensure that they find a place in paradise. Even if everyone around them is materially better off than the fundamentalist Muslim nation they will still stand strong in their belief that it is their way that is in their best interest since their way alone ensures the well-being and eternal happiness of the immortal soul. Of course the nation's youth is likely to be influenced by the culture and media of the surrounding nations and become more materialistic but this will just increase the conviction of the fundamentalists that the outside world is falling apart and corrupting their nation which will cause them to become isolated and more hostile towards other nations.

While I believe Islam is currently a wicked and evil religion, it has not always been so, and mohammad is only indirectly responsible and was certainly not a terrorist.

Like that crazy shit about going straight to heaven if you die in a jihad. Its supposed to motivate bravery, he wasnt to know that stupid fucktards would use it as a loophole to kill themselves and murder innocent people. Nor could he predict the invention of powerful explosives which they could use for this purpose.

The idea of going to heaven if you die fighting for a just cause seems perfectly reasonable. how was he to know what would happen?

The same with burkhas. he just said dress modestly. he wasnt to know that this rule would be taken out of context and abused to turn women into second class citizens.

The idea was that modest clothing would stop women being viewed as sex objects, but by totally hiding themselves they lose their humanity and become nothing more than sex objects, but for the sole use of their husbands.

I could go on. But basically my point is its not mohammads fault his rules were abused.

I have no solution, however.

While I believe Islam is currently a wicked and evil religion, it has not always been so, and mohammad is only indirectly responsible and was certainly not a terrorist.

I think it should be pointed out that essentially every current Muslim scholar agrees that suicide bombing will not allow someone to go to paradise since it conflicts will the "rule" that everyone who commits suicide will go to hell. And suicide bombs are far more rare than everyone seems to believe they are. But of course the media being as it is, ignores this and ignores the desperate circumstances that leads an extreme minority of people to be suicide bombers. I'm sure all of this is making me sound like an Islam apologist, but I actually think that the world would be better off without Islam, Christianity, or Judaism but those faiths are not going to disappear and misconceptions about Islam are being used to sway people into support of unjust wars.

Hitler sent the Jews to internment camps and then decided to eliminate them all. You are not quite there in your thinking yet, but you are getting close.

No, I would merely deport them as far as the other side of Constantinople, and then prosecute isolationist policies. Hardly outright nazism is it?

Furthermore, it would work, no measures short of it will. I rather think the oppression of western civilisation is a cause for which the ends justify the means.

We know how. We can do it. We are starting to see some of it already; the more educated a population becomes, the more you see the radical religious superstitions decline.

Then explain Kansas. :p

You touch our land, we stop building your tanks.WTF are you talking about?

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From reading much of the recent threads, it is clear that a vast majority of NationStates posters believe Jerry "Tinky Winky" Falwell's message that Islam is a wicked and evil religion and that Muhammad was a terrorist.

So assuming you had the resources and clout to do so, what would you do to solve the problem with Islamic extremism? And please tell me what you really feel, after all this is an open discussion. Don't hold back if you believe Islam should be declared illegal and all Muslims should be converted or exterminated.

I'm an atheist and believe that religion is harmful. In an ideal world, it would be possible to help people let go of religion without resorting to any violent means.

Most important for the time being is that we don't surrender our freedom just to appease religions. It is impossible to have free speech that doesn't cause offense, unless everyone has identical opinions.

I believe the main problem counter to your idea of education is the whole madrassa system in Pakistan and other Middle Eastern countries.

They are the engine of education driving the extremists.

You'll need to close those schools permanently before you have a chance with your idea.

The question to be asked is

Why does the regime invests less on education than on military?

And the state board education is not great shakes either. Products of the state education board turn out to be bigots too with the only difference being that they speak English.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4167260.stm
This prompted one of Pakistan's most respected non-government organisations, the Sustainable Development Policy Institute (SDPI), to undertake an independent review.

It examined textbooks for Urdu, English, Social Studies and Civics from grades one to 12 (5-18 years) and came out with its report a few months after the ministry's review. The findings created a furore.

It found "falsehoods, distortions and omissions" in all the textbooks, which it said defied Pakistan's declared objective of turning into a modern, dynamic state.

It also found the books "full" of material "encouraging or justifying discrimination against women, religious and ethnic minorities and other nations".

The report said that most of the textbooks incited "militancy and violence, including encouragement of holy war and martyrdom".

There were repeated instances of "glorification of war and the use of force".

The religious parties in particular were incensed at the report and labelled it "paid Western propaganda".

The SDPI report is titled "The Subtle Subversion The State of Curricula and Textbooks in Pakistan". The pdf can be found here. A google search can get you html versions.

http://www.sdpi.org/whats_new/reporton/State%20of%20Curr&TextBooks.pdf

Deep Kimchi, it's a must read for you.

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My Solution to the islamic Question?

Let it go, man. Nothing can stop islam. Not even GOD can stop islam.

I would go back in time.. and instead of giving them Palestine.. I would give them Rhode Island so they can create Israel.

That would not solve all problems.. But it would solve the most Urgent ones.

I'll help with the rest by ambushing Moses and adding an 11th Commandment...

"No Extremists."

And hope it carried on to its future incarnations of Christianity and Islam. If that doesn't work, at least Israel is in Rhode Island.

From reading much of the recent threads, it is clear that a vast majority of NationStates posters believe Jerry "Tinky Winky" Falwell's message that Islam is a wicked and evil religion and that Muhammad was a terrorist.

So assuming you had the resources and clout to do so, what would you do to solve the problem with Islamic extremism? And please tell me what you really feel, after all this is an open discussion. Don't hold back if you believe Islam should be declared illegal and all Muslims should be converted or exterminated.
You really wouldn't need to do much there, just build a huge wall around all muslim countries which they cannot get over and wait until they've beaten each over to a bloody pulp (which will inevitably happen when they can't pester the rest of the world anymore).
Problem solved :)

The question to be asked is

Why does the regime invests less on education than on military?

And the state board education is not great shakes either. Products of the state education board turn out to be bigots too with the only difference being that they speak English.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4167260.stm


The SDPI report is titled "The Subtle Subversion The State of Curricula and Textbooks in Pakistan". The pdf can be found here. A google search can get you html versions.

http://www.sdpi.org/whats_new/reporton/State%20of%20Curr&TextBooks.pdf

Deep Kimchi, it's a must read for you.


The problem with Pakistan is that it exists. Nehru's fear came true in worse form than he could imagine.

The whole place is in devolution - between the military, the manic urban areas, the border region with India, and the untamed wild of Waziristan, the place is, to put not too nice a spin on it, "a wretched hive of scum and villainy".

I honestly believe that the only way to straighten out Pakistan is to occupy it (yes, there will be 50 years of insurgency as a result), close down the madrassas, crush its military, and spend the next 50 to 100 years re-educating its population. The Pakistani military doesn't have the will to do anything about any problem in the country except where it might affect Musharraf's longevity - otherwise, they like it that way.

They like educating young people to become terrorists. They like the strife in Kashmir. And they love the foreign fighters who are hiding in Waziristan (and even hiding in Karachi under our noses).

Does the title of this thread make anyone else a little queasy?

Does the title of this thread make anyone else a little queasy?
That's Gauthier's way of making a post without directly Godwinning himself on the first go-round.

He thinks that anyone who believes that radical Islam is any sort of a threat are Nazis. There isn't any middle ground for him, so the thread title has to cast us as SS men.

That's Easy. Get The Hell Out Of The Middle East. We Don't Attack Them, They Don't Attack Us. So What If They Perform Mass Genocide On Each Other? Not Our Problem.

That's Easy. Get The Hell Out Of The Middle East. We Don't Attack Them, They Don't Attack Us. So What If They Perform Mass Genocide On Each Other? Not Our Problem.

So how do you explain their attacks, starting in the early 1990s with the World Trade Center? Did we attack someone that Osama cared about?

The answer is No.

Did Denmark attack anyone?

The answer is No.

So how do you explain their attacks, starting in the early 1990s with the World Trade Center? Did we attack someone that Osama cared about?

The answer is No.

Did Denmark attack anyone?

The answer is No.
Considerably, Denmark DID Attack Them. With The Cartoons. Frankly, I Think We Should Just Stop Attacking Anything Muslim In Anyway. That Includes Through Cartoons. In Case You Forgot, We Had Been Screwing Around In The Middle East Before The First World Trade Center Attack.

Considerably, Denmark DID Attack Them. With The Cartoons. Frankly, I Think We Should Just Stop Attacking Anything Muslim In Anyway. That Includes Through Cartoons. In Case You Forgot, We Had Been Screwing Around In The Middle East Before The First World Trade Center Attack.

Denmark didn't attack anyone. A few cartoonists drew a picture.

It's called "free speech".

The reason the Muslims are upset is because they believe that we are dhimmi, and we are required to obey their laws concerning blasphemy, while they are free to kill us like cattle if we wander into their lands.

HAS A Muslim Answered On This Thread Yet? I'd Like To See Their Answer.

HAS A Muslim Answered On This Thread Yet? I'd Like To See Their Answer.
It's clear you haven't read all the other threads on this subject.

That's Easy. Get The Hell Out Of The Middle East. We Don't Attack Them, They Don't Attack Us. So What If They Perform Mass Genocide On Each Other? Not Our Problem.

If you had been messing around with my nation or region for generations either openly or covertly and kept having sly digs in all forms of media about how fanatically evil we all are, I'm sure me and my mates would be quite happy to get a bit riotous and burn down your embassy.

It's a lesson in world politics, kind of don't mess around with other people's countries.

From reading much of the recent threads, it is clear that a vast majority of NationStates posters believe Jerry "Tinky Winky" Falwell's message that Islam is a wicked and evil religion and that Muhammad was a terrorist.

So assuming you had the resources and clout to do so, what would you do to solve the problem with Islamic extremism? And please tell me what you really feel, after all this is an open discussion. Don't hold back if you believe Islam should be declared illegal and all Muslims should be converted or exterminated.

I tried to join the American Nazi Party after 9-11 but I was rebuffed, they STILL hate Jews, not Towelhead Subhumans....Jews are the "good guys" you morons....I vote for gas chambers:sniper:

From reading much of the recent threads, it is clear that a vast majority of NationStates posters believe Jerry "Tinky Winky" Falwell's message that Islam is a wicked and evil religion and that Muhammad was a terrorist.

So assuming you had the resources and clout to do so, what would you do to solve the problem with Islamic extremism? And please tell me what you really feel, after all this is an open discussion. Don't hold back if you believe Islam should be declared illegal and all Muslims should be converted or exterminated.

for the record, i don't think Mohammed was a terrorist.

that said, it would have been nice if he'd said something like "don't be a terrorist" somewhere in the Qur'an.

Qur'an Wiki resource:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur%27an

HAS A Muslim Answered On This Thread Yet? I'd Like To See Their Answer.

I was informed by a muslim in another thread that the day of anger over the cartoons was perfectly acceptable because it is just property damage, whereas christians starve children to death using the FCC, therefore islams repsonse was appropriate and moderate.

I paraphrase of course, but that was the gist of it.

And frankly, for people who think the idea of anne frank having sex with hitler is funny, they seems remarkably sensitive about cartoons in a newspaper they have never read.

That's Easy. Get The Hell Out Of The Middle East. We Don't Attack Them, They Don't Attack Us. So What If They Perform Mass Genocide On Each Other? Not Our Problem.

Oh My Goodness! The Person Who Wirites In First Letter Caps Strikes Again! This Is Really So Annoying. I Hate Typing This Way. Why On Earth Would You Choose To Do This To All Of Us?

Sweet...

I was informed by a muslim in another thread that the day of anger over the cartoons was perfectly acceptable because it is just property damage

Please. It was only "just property damage" because nobody fell into their clutches. You think if Danish ambassadors had still been chilling out in the lobbies of those embassies when they were sacked and torched they would have been left alone?

And how about the Swedish and Chilean embassies gutted in the same blaze? I don't recall Chile ever doing much to rile them. A necesarry sacrifice to the fatwa?

Please. It was only "just property damage" because nobody fell into their clutches. You think if Danish ambassadors had still been chilling out in the lobbies of those embassies when they were sacked and torched they would have been left alone?

And how about the Swedish and Chilean embassies gutted in the same blaze? I don't recall Chile ever doing much to rile them. A necesarry sacrifice to the fatwa?
It's ok if Muslims do it.

Please. It was only "just property damage" because nobody fell into their clutches. You think if Danish ambassadors had still been chilling out in the lobbies of those embassies when they were sacked and torched they would have been left alone?

And how about the Swedish and Chilean embassies gutted in the same blaze? I don't recall Chile ever doing much to rile them. A necesarry sacrifice to the fatwa?

I am not saying that I subscribe to that, I am just republishing what I was told. I will admit to be more disturbed by the worldview that the FCC starves children to death than anything else however.

Somehow I get the feeling the Muslim leaders whipping their people into this doesn't have a clue. Attacking a US military base is stupid as it is, and the US has said the cartoons was an insult themselves... get a clue, imams! And cool down. Try making your own country better instead of making others worse. I fail to see how Islam is a religion of love and peace when their priests(who are the link to God) tell their own people to kill!

I am not saying that I subscribe to that, I am just republishing what I was told. I will admit to be more disturbed by the worldview that the FCC starves children to death than anything else however.

I'm still trying to figure out how the organization that fined Howard Stern for saying naughty things on the air had a hand in starving anyone.

From reading much of the recent threads, it is clear that a vast majority of NationStates posters believe Jerry "Tinky Winky" Falwell's message that Islam is a wicked and evil religion and that Muhammad was a terrorist.

So assuming you had the resources and clout to do so, what would you do to solve the problem with Islamic extremism? And please tell me what you really feel, after all this is an open discussion. Don't hold back if you believe Islam should be declared illegal and all Muslims should be converted or exterminated.
My answer for Gauthier's consumption: Well, since they all believe they're going to Allah, just kill them all and let Allah sort them out!

My answer for everyone else: The "carrot and sick" approach is probably going to be the only thing that works. Provide what aid we can to those Muslims who believe Islam is a religion of peace, and actively pursue those who choose to make Islam a religion of terrorism and conflict.

I am not saying that I subscribe to that, I am just republishing what I was told.

Don't pass the buck.

Maybe what the islamic countries need is an enlightenment period like in Europa after the Dark Ages. Where people still live with and are open to (all) religion but the fundamentalist views disappear sides by a growing faith in reason and philosophy. This of course would require a change in some aspects of the muslim faith that are very unlikely to happen in this tense global atmosphere of "us vs. them" fundamentalism. A faith-based state is always going to be a problematic one. At least for the the three biggest mono-theistic ones, I think a state based on one particular faith inevitably leads to oppresion, totalitarianism and fundamentalism. For those who do not accept the basics of the faith are immediately outcast, immediately persecutable or less than human even.

Perhaps as with faith in europe, the muslim faith needs to become more open, more accepting of differences. To believe that every word written in holy scripture is exactly the word of God / Prophet is to allow mistakes beyond all boundaries, to justify the most heinous and cruel of acts and promote intolerance in most cases.

On the other hand, for a faith to become so open would most likely require the undermining of that very faith. The Enlightenment period in Europe led to a desecularisation on a grand scale, with not always favourable consequences as well...

On the other hand, for a faith to become so open would most likely require the undermining of that very faith. The Enlightenment period in Europe led to a desecularisation on a grand scale, with not always favourable consequences as well...

It was a good thing that we went through the Reformation during a time period when small cannon and crude firearms were the high tech of the day.

Now we have assault rifles, suicide bombers, car bombs, nerve gas, smallpox, and nuclear weapons that might end up on the menu.

Whatever the time period, it seems man will never stop of thinking about new ways to kill his brother and sister... Religion or no

Whatever the time period, it seems man will never stop of thinking about new ways to kill his brother and sister... Religion or no
The difference is, if someone gets hold of a vial of something like smallpox, it's going to make the history that came before look like a children's game.

I'm still trying to figure out how the organization that fined Howard Stern for saying naughty things on the air had a hand in starving anyone.

I assume it was no more than the usual tactic of apologists. In other words, an utter non-sequitur raised to divert the argument from its actual point: that some, if not many, of the demonstrators in London should be arrested for breaking the law.

Similarly, when there are complaints about the administration of sharia in the middle east, one is usually told - quite primly - that 'not all muslims are terrorists' and to stop 'making generalizations, because generalizations are wrong': as if that had anything to do with the matter at hand!

I don't know what is more pathetic, the need to defend people who stone rape victims to death, or the possibility that they actually believe what they are saying makes sense.

I blame the education system.

The difference is, if someone gets hold of a vial of something like smallpox, it's going to make the history that came before look like a children's game.

Biological warfare is nothing new...

In the middleages and long before that time, diseased corpses were flung over city walls to incite pestilence and other epidemics...

From reading much of the recent threads, it is clear that a vast majority of NationStates posters believe Jerry "Tinky Winky" Falwell's message that Islam is a wicked and evil religion and that Muhammad was a terrorist.

That happens to be the only remotely accurate thing Falwell has ever said in his entire life. Mohammed wasn't just a terrorist; he was also a pædophilic rapist and an apologist for domestic violence. I can really only suggest massive efforts to refute it, to be honest.

The difference is, if someone gets hold of a vial of something like smallpox, it's going to make the history that came before look like a children's game.

If indeed that happens, I imagine that the retribution will be swift, unrelenting and massive. Something on the order of which the west will be ashamed of after the fact for generations.

That's Easy. Get The Hell Out Of The Middle East. We Don't Attack Them, They Don't Attack Us. So What If They Perform Mass Genocide On Each Other? Not Our Problem.
But, they will attack us. Repeatedly. Relentlessly. Regardless.

Your capitalizing every word grates on my nerves for some reason!

Biological warfare is nothing new...

In the middleages and long before that time, diseased corpses were flung over city walls to incite pestilence and other epidemics...
Do you know what smallpox would do today? Picture one out of every three people on earth dead. That's a conservative estimate. The real casualty figures are probably more. NOBODY has any immunity or resistance to smallpox anymore. NO NATION ON EARTH has enough vaccine to protect it's people.

Considerably, Denmark DID Attack Them. With The Cartoons. Frankly, I Think We Should Just Stop Attacking Anything Muslim In Anyway. That Includes Through Cartoons. In Case You Forgot, We Had Been Screwing Around In The Middle East Before The First World Trade Center Attack.
Yep. That's right. Just volutarily give up our feedom of expression. Give up any attempt to protect our people. Give up anything that even remotely offends or irritates Islam. You know ... like freedom of religion ( and, BTW, freedom FROM religion! ) and women's rights, and virtually everything the West stands for. Yup. That's the way to go, all right. :rolleyes:

Do you know what smallpox would do today? Picture one out of every three people on earth dead. That's a conservative estimate. The real casualty figures are probably more. NOBODY has any immunity or resistance to smallpox anymore. NO NATION ON EARTH has enough vaccine to protect it's people.

You say "NOBODY", but i seem to recall my mother was vaccinated against smallpox as a child. Very painful so she says.

Still alive, so she counts as a someone in my eyes.

You say "NOBODY", but i seem to recall my mother was vaccinated against smallpox as a child. Very painful so she says.

Still alive, so she counts as a someone in my eyes.
Smallpox vaccinations must be periodically "boosted." And I don't recall them being painful at all. Just a small, circular scab. Once that healed, nothing but a small, circular scar.

You say "NOBODY", but i seem to recall my mother was vaccinated against smallpox as a child. Very painful so she says.

Still alive, so she counts as a someone in my eyes.
And her vaccination has lost effectiveness. It's only capable of protecting you for a decade or two. Two is being very generous.

And her vaccination has lost effectiveness. It's only capable of protecting you for a decade or two. Two is being very generous.

Ah, fair enough, not being an expert on it, i wouldn't know. KInda thought you were vaccinated then that was it.

Ah, fair enough, not being an expert on it, i wouldn't know. KInda thought you were vaccinated then that was it.
Even if we had enough vaccine alot of people wouldn't be able to use it. Anyone with a weakened immune system, people with Eczema, and others would be at risk of dying just from the vaccination.

Smallpox vaccinations must be periodically "boosted." And I don't recall them being painful at all. Just a small, circular scab. Once that healed, nothing but a small, circular scar.

Yeah, she was about five though.

Mind you, she also had gut churningly painful facial surgery for the first twelve years of her life and never commented on the pain, so she must have the oddest central nervous system on earth ;)

:mp5: lets join there never ending campane to defend there religion, or we could ship them to a remote planet like mars(after we bild domes to live in sins there emp is below freezing all the time). i say these becase if we dont well be fighting a religon not a country.:sniper: and im not a comy!!!!!!!!!!!

:mp5: lets join there never ending campane to defend there religion, or we could ship them to a remote planet like mars(after we bild domes to live in sins there emp is below freezing all the time). i say these becase if we dont well be fighting a religon not a country.:sniper: and im not a comy!!!!!!!!!!!

You know, thats the single most inarticulate response to anything i have ever read.

Plan A -
Exterminate all theists. This would resolve a ton of issues. No over population problem. Environmental impact of the species is minimized. Pesky problems of war between religions is eradicated. Planet-wide conservation of resources can be realized. Etc, etc, etc.


Now, failing that....Plan B addressing the Mid East specifically, which is what I think you mean to ask -
Israel returns to 1967 borders and gets a UN security force to maintain the borders as well as a 10 year security guarantee from the EU and US.
Palestine is recreated with a 10 year security guarantee from the EU and an Arab alliance.
All Arab nations recognize Israeli borders and right to exist.
Israel recognizes Palestine's right to exist.
Middle East becomes a nuclear free zone.
US military aid to Isreal continues to whatever degree the US chooses.
The Arab alliane nations are responsible for creating and supporting Palestine to whatever degree they choose.
All Arab nations renounce terrorism, including the UN monitored cessation of financial and military support for terrorist organizations, as declared by the UN Security Council.

Granted, this does not preclude problems in the future, but I don't think it's possible to permanently solve the issue. It does, though, establish a political and financial framework that constrains violence for a period of time. Once this framework is established, then all involved have something to lose by engaging in aggressive acts....like terrorist activities.

That's Gauthier's way of making a post without directly Godwinning himself on the first go-round.

He thinks that anyone who believes that radical Islam is any sort of a threat are Nazis. There isn't any middle ground for him, so the thread title has to cast us as SS men.

Aren't you the one bitching, sobbing and weeping about having words put into your mouth?

Oh that's right, you are.

For bonus points, put more words in my mouth that I haven't said. It's your only way of making an argument.

What I address here is the habit that NS posters here have of holding Muslims as a collective constantly responsible for the acts of the extremist minority and constantly browbeat the notion that each and every one of them man woman and child are collaborators with the extremists.

It's not enough for one moderate Muslim to speak up against such behavior either, they're held to a double standard where each and every one of them have to sing a chorus of condemnation or it's automatically assumed they all gave it two thumbs up.

But if an extremist from another religion commits a horrible act is the religious population as a whole held accountable for that? Of course not.

Only Muslims are an evil religious hivemind.

France. Apparently, that's where they wanted to be anyway. :p

You forgot about Poland.

From reading much of the recent threads, it is clear that a vast majority of NationStates posters believe Jerry "Tinky Winky" Falwell's message that Islam is a wicked and evil religion and that Muhammad was a terrorist.

So assuming you had the resources and clout to do so, what would you do to solve the problem with Islamic extremism? And please tell me what you really feel, after all this is an open discussion. Don't hold back if you believe Islam should be declared illegal and all Muslims should be converted or exterminated.they should be treated the same way Christians are treated. and when they get pissed about it, then they should be treated as their actions dictate.

DUNE! (right?) :)

That is correct..."The Savior/Messiah" if my memory serves me right.

I love that 3-part tv-version...it was teh asskickzorz...the ambush...aaahhh, just jumping up out of the sand...like all proper commandos...

I'd send the Sandpeople after them...should be equal terms...then I'd fly away in the millenium Falcon and party on the Forest-moon of Endor :D