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I've been told that I am a very great worker, so I'm just curious as to how many of you lie on your tax forms. That includes, but is not limited to, falsely indicating that you have children, have donated to a charity, etc, etc.

Don't be afraid!

Your name says otherwise.

it's wrong to lie..........especially on your tax forms, there really isn't any reason to, if you have a good tax pro. (like me)

People don't lie to tax department about taxation!
When does that happen? When you are a corporation!

This is all good to know! I don't think I've ever had the proverbial wool pulled over my proverbial eyes! I'm a great employee!

*What tax forms?*

Don't be afraid!

.. You've got a sick sense of humor.

*What tax forms?*

I might have to call the boss over on this one...

*What tax forms?*
*laughs because of her name*

This is all good to know! I don't think I've ever had the proverbial wool pulled over my proverbial eyes! I'm a great employee!
you know if you were a real auditor I could tell you where people try to cheat most often (I assume they succeed but I wouldn't know since I send them to someone else, since I won't cheat)..........

*laughs because of her name*

I resisted saying that, because of my own NS name. :)

Of course I fill out my taxes honestly and completely. I am self-employed! I get paid in cash and there is no record of those transaction other than what I keep.

I know what you're thinking: WooT! LG can make up any figure he wants!

Well, you're right. I can. And when the IRS audits me, I have to explain how I spent $34,000 last year, doubled my savings in my bank accounts, yet only claimed to make $12,000 that year.

I don't know how many of you have ever been audited, but it is the non-violent equivalent of someone squeezing your balls in a vice for about a month.

WHich is why I keep thorough records and always report my taxes honestly. Because there are some things that just aren't worth the money. :p

*laughs because of her name*

.. It's not a laughing matter. *smiles*

I might have to call the boss over on this one...

1. Full-time college student
2. No job
3. Sux, huh ;)

I haven't, but.... a friend of mine has. Yes, that's it, a friend.

.. It's not a laughing matter. *smiles*

Sure it is, not to mention "Brainwash Central"

There is no need to lie on tax forms. The laws are set up to take full advantage of the tax code. I pay very little federal taxes playing inside the rules. I would almost bet that someone making 5 times less than I pays more taxes on average. You just need to use the tax rules in your favor. So many people do not bother to figure things out. Do not use turbo tax or H&R block for your taxes. Find a great CPA and they will pay for themselves 10 times over.

im much too afraid of the IRS to lie on my taxes. some years i have tax form flashbacks where i suddenly panic that i left this or that off the form and they will come get me.

besides, i dont have a mortgage on my house so there is no sense in me filling out schedule A where most lying is done. otherwise there is wages, deductions (its hard to lie about kids when you have to have a SS# for all of them) and well... not much else.

im much too afraid of the IRS to lie on my taxes. some years i have tax form flashbacks where i suddenly panic that i left this or that off the form and they will come get me.

besides, i dont have a mortgage on my house so there is no sense in me filling out schedule A where most lying is done. otherwise there is wages, deductions (its hard to lie about kids when you have to have a SS# for all of them) and well... not much else.

I personally love going on a stake-out and waiting for some poor lying scumbag to get into his house or show signs of being in his house and we bust in there and demand he produce receipts for that $4,000 donation to charity 8 months ago!!

HAHAHAHAHA.

Sure it is, not to mention "Brainwash Central"

I call it like I see it. :D

I personally love going on a stake-out and waiting for some poor lying scumbag to get into his house or show signs of being in his house and we bust in there and demand he produce receipts for that $4,000 donation to charity 8 months ago!!

HAHAHAHAHA.
lololol

my sister always amazes me. she fills out her forms but she never has any money to pay the tax. it doesnt bother her ONE BIT. she just sends it out without a check and says theyll bill her later

which is what they do but it still gives me a bit of panic.

I don't lie on my taxes, but I don't report every last nickel and dime more out of laziness than dishonesty. I don't throw in the $2 or so I make from my savings account, partially because it's not worth it to fill out a form 1099 for $2 and partially because my bank takes out more in inane fees than it pays in interest. I don't commit any egregious errors such as caiming my dog as a dependent or trying to deduct my cable bill or anything. It's awfully tempting, though, considering the $3,200 deduction.

Not that it matters; I get a refund every year (about $900 this year.) I used TaxCut this year to do my taxes, and the $30 I spent found a $56 credit that I had never heard of, so as far as i am concerned, it more than paid for itself. For that matter, I do other people's taxes, including most of my family's, and they all got refunds, even my mother-in-law, who normally owes every year (I was honest on her return; I swear.) Life is good, and I don't have to cheat the IRS.

it's wrong to lie..........especially on your tax forms, there really isn't any reason to, if you have a good tax pro. (like me)

"Exactically!" said the Caterpillar!

I've been told that I am a very great worker, so I'm just curious as to how many of you lie on your tax forms. That includes, but is not limited to, falsely indicating that you have children, have donated to a charity, etc, etc.

Don't be afraid!

I would tear into you about the very nature of the Income tax being Illegally hefted upon the American people....but.

Since I got caught cheating last on my taxes.....I dont want to bring anymore bad Karma on myself.


I have four children, a wife, and i live below poverty--gotta love America.

anyway I omitted one of my W-2s so I could get the best EIC---got caught.

Now, while I am sincere is my utter disgust of the government to charge people a fee to work(that is what income tax is)---

I must confess the people at the IRS were very helpful and understanding--no threats, no rudeness, no sarcasm, nothing but courtesy and professionalism--more so then just about any other orginization I have dealt with.

So, I am hit up and wont be cheating for awhile.....awhile;)

I am getting them professionally done.

It is really an odds game on cheating if you file the basic forms( I studied taxes) unless you catch a random you are very unlikely to get flagged--I am now at the top of the pile.

I feel an audit coming--which I am fully unprepared for.

But yeah I have cheated--and given the first opportunity I will do so again.

Taxes are voluntary, of course. It says right there in the Internal Revenue Service's official instructions for filling out Form 1040 that the tax system is "voluntary."

They are also illegal. The 16th amendment was never properly adopted.

I have four children, a wife, and i live below poverty--gotta love America.

What do your bad decisions have to do with America? :confused:

I personally love going on a stake-out and waiting for some poor lying scumbag to get into his house or show signs of being in his house and we bust in there and demand he produce receipts for that $4,000 donation to charity 8 months ago!!

HAHAHAHAHA.
actually if you donate more than $250 to a charity in cash you have to attach documentation, and if you donate more than I think $1500 total you have to attach documentation, if you were a real auditor you would know that. :rolleyes:

What do your bad decisions have to do with America? :confused:
He should be thrilled that our government will take our taxes and return them to him as a welfare payment in the form of Earned Income Tax Credit.

Taxes are voluntary, of course. It says right there in the Internal Revenue Service's official instructions for filling out Form 1040 that the tax system is "voluntary."

They are also illegal. The 16th amendment was never properly adopted.
not actually, the supreme court and tax court both have upheld the legal non-voluntary taxation of Americans.

here, this (http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106502,00.html)might help.

He should be thrilled that our government will take our taxes and return them to him as a welfare payment in the form of Earned Income Tax Credit.
indeed he should. If I were in charge I would wipe out the EIC completely, but then I would get jumped on for "trying to kill off the poor people and illegals"


I really need to steer clear of the "tax threds" I am going to make enemies.

not actually, the supreme court and tax court both have upheld the legal non-voluntary taxation of Americans.

here, this (http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106502,00.html)might help.
I just read a Forbes article that included these and a number of other tax fallacies. I just thought these were the standouts.

Voluntary seems to mean "Not at Gunpoint", although, I'm not so sure about that. The 16th amendment thing always made me wonder, but a few weirdoes still stick to the theory that Ohio didn't ratify the amendment, so it isn't legal.

What do your bad decisions have to do with America? :confused:

Typical, you live an easy life and since your circumstances are nice , certainly no one else can be a victim of them.

It is unfortunate that most people online are like you, oblivious to the reality of the average family in this country.

I dont see where marriage or having children is a bad decision, perhaps I should have had her have abortions and then leae her--perhaps that is your idea of good decisions.

I know why dont you explain how a wife and children are bad decsions?

I just read a Forbes article that included these and a number of other tax fallacies. I just thought these were the standouts.

Voluntary seems to mean "Not at Gunpoint", although, I'm not so sure about that. The 16th amendment thing always made me wonder, but a few weirdoes still stick to the theory that Ohio didn't ratify the amendment, so it isn't legal.
it's voluntary assesment meaning that you can asses your tax yourself, if you really wanted to you could make the IRS do your taxes for you, but they may not go the most advantageous route and also may turn them in late leaving you with fines and penalties.

He should be thrilled that our government will take our taxes and return them to him as a welfare payment in the form of Earned Income Tax Credit.
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And I will be happy to continue to take your tax dollars, in any form, welfare, food stamps, focushope, HUD assitance, and methodone.

I do this with out so much as a thank you.

Typical, you live an easy life and since your circumstances are nice , certainly no one else can be a victim of them.

It is unfortunate that most people online are like you, oblivious to the reality of the average family in this country.

I dont see where marriage or having children is a bad decision, perhaps I should have had her have abortions and then leae her--perhaps that is your idea of good decisions.

I know why dont you explain how a wife and children are bad decsions?
I'll tell what makes taking a wife or having children a bad decision. The lack of any ability to support dependents makes adding dependents a bad decision. Is that clear enough? Love and caring don't pay your dependents bills. Neither should the rest of the tax-payers in this country.

not actually, the supreme court and tax court both have upheld the legal non-voluntary taxation of Americans.

here, this (http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106502,00.html)might help.
This (http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106507,00.html) and this (http://laws.findlaw.com/us/240/1.html) answers the 16th Amendment question.

This (http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106507,00.html) and this (http://laws.findlaw.com/us/240/1.html) answers the 16th Amendment question.
thanks. :)

I think I like taxes too much, I really do. I can't seem to keep my mouth shut about them, esp. when someone says something wrong.........

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And I will be happy to continue to take your tax dollars, in any form, welfare, food stamps, focushope, HUD assitance, and methodone.

I do this with out so much as a thank you.
A lady in line ahead of me at the grocery store was having trouble with WIC. After the clerk finally got her straightened out, I said "You're Welcome." She looked at me and I repeated it. "Your welcome for the use of my money to buy your groceries." Not so much as a thank you from her, either. Some people just think they're entitled.

anything that someone sends you a form about needs to be put on your tax return. the irs HAS that info and can screw you if you leave it out.

my most amazing irs story.....

last year on the friday before easter i got a letter from the IRS. it said that the deduction for my son had be disallowed because i got his SS# wrong on the form.

it was about 7 pm.

i called the phone number on the form hoping just to get some kind of recorded info on my problem.

a real person answered and she fixed my problem OVER THE PHONE.

ON THE SPOT

ON THE FRIDAY BEFORE EASTER AT 7 MOUNTAIN TIME

thats good service!

thanks. :)

I think I like taxes too much, I really do. I can't seem to keep my mouth shut about them, esp. when someone says something wrong.........
If my favorite Congressman ever gets his way, you won't have a job. Sorry. HB 25, or the "Fair Tax", is the best idea yet. No more IRS and April 15th will be just another day.

If my favorite Congressman ever gets his way, you won't have a job. Sorry. HB 25, or the "Fair Tax", is the best idea yet. No more IRS and April 15th will be just another day.
I know, I like the fair tax on one hand, but on the other if it passes I will be out of a job super quick, I think I will focus more on the financial planning part of my job and see if maybe that will work...........

A lady in line ahead of me at the grocery store was having trouble with WIC. After the clerk finally got her straightened out, I said "You're Welcome." She looked at me and I repeated it. "Your welcome for the use of my money to buy your groceries." Not so much as a thank you from her, either. Some people just think they're entitled.
I dont know how you do it.
But, if you could work a little harder, I need a new car.
Now.
Funny, though, it stands to figure you would say that to a woman.

I only work casual hours, so I don't earn enough for me to bother. I wouldn't do it anyway.

I dont know how you do it.
But, if you could work a little harder, I need a new car.
Now.
Funny, though, it stands to figure you would say that to a woman.
I was going to say something rather rude, but true still........

anyway, here is my less rude comment...

why couldn't you work harder and get your own car?


seriously.

No. I'd never lie to the IRS. I'd rather face Lucifer himself than the IRS.


same difference actually....

Animosity aside.


Myrm is one hundred percent correct.

"Fair Tax", is simply the only thing that is acceptable, Hopfully my children will only read about all the red tape and over a million some odd tax laws as Historical foot notes.

The absurdity of the Tax system can not be lost on anyone.

I dont know how you do it.
But, if you could work a little harder, I need a new car.
Now.
Funny, though, it stands to figure you would say that to a woman.
The amount of trouble that this woman had caused was considerable. The delays and the pointless attempts to have the cashier allow food that wasn't permitted was pretty irritating. It wouldn't have mattered whether it was a man or a woman at the point that I spoke up.

If my favorite Congressman ever gets his way, you won't have a job. Sorry. HB 25, or the "Fair Tax", is the best idea yet. No more IRS and April 15th will be just another day.

Because a sales tax administers itself. Especially one with an exception up to a certain amount of spending.

:rolleyes:

The amount of trouble that this woman had caused was considerable. The delays and the pointless attempts to have the cashier allow food that wasn't permitted was pretty irritating. It wouldn't have mattered whether it was a man or a woman at the point that I spoke up.

IF only I thought you were kidding, rather than having been condescending and rude.

Animosity aside.


Myrm is one hundred percent correct.

"Fair Tax", is simply the only thing that is acceptable, Hopfully my children will only read about all the red tape and over a million some odd tax laws as Historical foot notes.

The absurdity of the Tax system can not be lost on anyone.
I can agree with that, in an effort to make it "more fair" it has become so complicated that you really need a professional to get what's rightfully coming to you....if you can call all those credits "rightfully yours", but I suppose since they aren't illegal they are "right"........or whatever......

I can agree with that, in an effort to make it "more fair" it has become so complicated that you really need a professional to get what's rightfully coming to you....if you can call all those credits "rightfully yours", but I suppose since they aren't illegal they are "right"........or whatever......


I Bought a soul!

I know, I like the fair tax on one hand, but on the other if it passes I will be out of a job super quick, I think I will focus more on the financial planning part of my job and see if maybe that will work...........
There's a huge catch to the law. If it is passed, and that's not at all likely, it won't become effective until after the 16th amendment is repealed. Linder told me that it was the only way he could get the law introduced so that it could be passed by a simple majority, instead of the two thirds+ratification it would require as an amendment in its own right.

The amount of trouble that this woman had caused was considerable. The delays and the pointless attempts to have the cashier allow food that wasn't permitted was pretty irritating. It wouldn't have mattered whether it was a man or a woman at the point that I spoke up.
Your defensiveness for the situation proves it would have mattered.

No real man would humiliate a woman in public because she 'delayed' him.
A spineless twit, with no real fortitude would however do something like that to feel better about himself.

I imagine you bragged about it later, to other spinless twits.

I am certain a 200lb Blackman with Foodstamps would not even have received eye contact from you.

So please continue hurling your insults because I have audacity to make less then 20,000 a year.

That makes me a welfare recipient, indeed.

I work very hard, not that you would have concept of that.

I work very hard to not be on welfare--I qualify for the EIC so your damned right I take--I am certain you dont pass a dime on the ground you dont pick up.

So I went to the well to draw more then my fair share, and I got causght.
I make no bones about it, but if you didnt think the tax system was wrong you wouldnt be an advocate for 'Fair Tax'.

Now please continue with your little quips.

Exposing yourself as someone who takes pleasure in humiliating defenseless women has removed even the slightest potential for sting.

I've been told that I am a very great worker, so I'm just curious as to how many of you lie on your tax forms. That includes, but is not limited to, falsely indicating that you have children, have donated to a charity, etc, etc.

Don't be afraid!
I don't pay taxes, so there's no motivation for me to lie, even if I wanted to, which I don't. :p

A lady in line ahead of me at the grocery store was having trouble with WIC. After the clerk finally got her straightened out, I said "You're Welcome." She looked at me and I repeated it. "Your welcome for the use of my money to buy your groceries." Not so much as a thank you from her, either. Some people just think they're entitled.

Ugh.

You don't know what personal situation she was in. She might have already felt degraded by having to resort to welfare, and an attitude like that probably made her feel even more like a piece of crap. But don't worry, i'm sure she has sat at home and reflected upon whom her betters in society are.

IF only I thought you were kidding, rather than having been condescending and rude.
I don't count on making too many friends in the grocery store check-out lanes. I find I have a lot more in common with folks that frequent the little trout streams in North Georgia.

'Fair' tax is anything but. Who spends most of their income on immediate needs? The poorest people...so who gets hit harder by sales tax than anyone else? Poor people...
A minimum threshold for paying it would be horribly complicated. How do you administer that at the point of sale? If you don't do it there, how are you going to keep track of everybody?

I go for a flat tax, with a minimumn income threshold to add some progessive element to it. Why? You can administer it as PAYE. It hits richer people (slightly) harder than poorer, so retaining the incentive to work while not disadvantaging the poorest. And there are far, far fewer loopholes than in the current, horribly complex system, so you can't pay someone to wipe out half your tax bill with clever accounting.

'Fair' tax is anything but. Who spends most of their income on immediate needs? The poorest people...so who gets hit harder by sales tax than anyone else? Poor people...
A minimum threshold for paying it would be horribly complicated. How do you administer that at the point of sale? If you don't do it there, how are you going to keep track of everybody?

I go for a flat tax, with a minimumn income threshold to add some progessive element to it. Why? You can administer it as PAYE. It hits richer people (slightly) harder than poorer, so retaining the incentive to work while not disadvantaging the poorest. And there are far, far fewer loopholes than in the current, horribly complex system, so you can't pay someone to wipe out half your tax bill with clever accounting.
And you have just proved your ignorance of the retail sales tax as proposed in HB 25. Go to Fairtax.org and read about prebates.

'Fair' tax is anything but. Who spends most of their income on immediate needs? The poorest people...so who gets hit harder by sales tax than anyone else? Poor people...
A minimum threshold for paying it would be horribly complicated. How do you administer that at the point of sale? If you don't do it there, how are you going to keep track of everybody?

I go for a flat tax, with a minimumn income threshold to add some progessive element to it. Why? You can administer it as PAYE. It hits richer people (slightly) harder than poorer, so retaining the incentive to work while not disadvantaging the poorest. And there are far, far fewer loopholes than in the current, horribly complex system, so you can't pay someone to wipe out half your tax bill with clever accounting.

Loopholes come about when you try to define taxable income. A flat tax still has this problem.

I am certain a 200lb Blackman with Foodstamps would not even have received eye contact from you.

Bein' a 220 pound, 6'-2" man makes me a little less concerned with that eventuality. Or is there some racial thing that I should be concerned about?

I Bought a soul!
it wasn't for sale.

And you have just proved your ignorance of the retail sales tax as proposed in HB 25. Go to Fairtax.org and read about prebates.

Corporations escape taxation completely under the "Fair Tax." This is full of loopholes.

Corporations escape taxation completely under the "Fair Tax." This is full of loopholes.
coporations are getting double taxed now.....


okay, I am going to bed, you all can have your tax thred. I will post tomorrow if need be......

Loopholes come about when you try to define taxable income. A flat tax still has this problem.
A flat tax is still an income tax. It can be modified into a graduated tax any time the Congress feels the need to promote a different social agenda. Remember how the Reagan tax reform (I think it was Reagan) reduced the number of brackets, as well as the top bracket. Subsequent Administrations thought that they needed more brackets and that the tax rates needed adjustment. There is no reason to expect anything different with a flat tax. That's why the best answer is still no income tax.

Corporations escape taxation completely under the "Fair Tax." This is full of loopholes.
But they don't. They have to buy retail items just like everyone else. Those retail purchases are taxed.

And tell me that you really believe corporations are taxed now. Tell me that they don't just pass the tax on to the consumers with a price increase.

How do you pay for government without an income tax? Property tax? Sales tax? However you do it, Parliament/Congress can mess about with it. That's another reason why I like flat tax. It's simple. The average person could understand the entire tax code. That's got to be a good thing. At least people will know when their government is trying to make things more opaque.

Oh yeah, flat tax has been tried in practice. Currently operating in several Eastern European nations with considerable success. Show me where 'fair' tax is working.

((Ultimately, I still want less money going on government, at least in the UK. Until then, I'm aiming for more transparent taxation. No VAT, no sales taxes of any kind. One number on your payslip each month telling you just how much of your income the govenment takes...))

Bein' a 220 pound, 6'-2" man makes me a little less concerned with that eventuality. Or is there some racial thing that I should be concerned about?
Your size changes nothing.

Given it, it shows you more the complete coward, how would a woman respond to a 6'2" 220 pound man belittling her.

No, you wouldnt say 'boo' to a man.

The mere fact you felt the need to respond to me calling you out again demonstrates your own personal sense of inadequacy.

Only a man who feels he something to prove would suggest he is "Manly" online.

As it is obviously safe.

You felt the need to brag about demeaning another human being---yet again more proof.

When challnged you continue to blather out 'manly' remarks.
You are more comfortable with 'Fishin Buddies'

The fact you changed your syntax to write in 'Good 'Ol Boy' slang
"Bein' a 220 pound, 6'-2" man "

Given your lack of usage of that type of thing, it is consistant with a change in your thinking.

You are trying to 'push' your manhood.

Which is really non-existant, you are a hairs-breadth from being a wife beating rapist.

Celebrating your dominance over those weaker then you because you yourself are a frightened simple weakling.

How do you pay for government without an income tax? Property tax? Sales tax? However you do it, Parliament/Congress can mess about with it. That's another reason why I like flat tax. It's simple. The average person could understand the entire tax code. That's got to be a good thing. At least people will know when their government is trying to make things more opaque.

Oh yeah, flat tax has been tried in practice. Currently operating in several Eastern European nations with considerable success. Show me where 'fair' tax is working.

((Ultimately, I still want less money going on government, at least in the UK. Until then, I'm aiming for more transparent taxation. No VAT, no sales taxes of any kind. One number on your payslip each month telling you just how much of your income the govenment takes...))
If we adopt a retail sales tax, you are absolutely right. Congress can screw with it. If we let them, shame on us. We elect those guys and we can replace them.

The fact is that a sales tax is much more visible than an income tax. Now, there are some people that actually believe that their refund is not actually paying taxes, but getting some back. Or that the $1000 check that they write to the IRS is what they've paid. Absolute nonsense, but the withholding has made the income tax too transparent. The Fair Tax would be better, in that it would be more obvious what we were paying, but another great idea would be to stop withholding and just make people pay the entire burden on April 15th.

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Damn, now you've hurt my feelings. I'm going to work extra hard and and make sure you poor people have more money to spend on steak and beer.

it wasn't for sale.


You would hope so. However, anything has it's price.

You would hope so. However, anything has it's price.
not me.

not me.

You are worth a good meal to an alligator.

A price can always be bartered.

And it's not what YOU think YOUR worth, it's what someone else is willing to give FOR you.