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Ever seen Asterix and Obelix in Britain? You know that part where the British allow themselves to be conquered by the Romans because they refused to fight after 5 PM or on weekends?

That's a lot like Europe and muslims.

Lookey, a troll!

"pets"

Either someone has no idea about "Europe and the muslims" or I'm missing the point of the post.

Either someone has no idea about "Europe and the muslims" or I'm missing the point of the post.

:headbang: ditto:headbang:

The point of this post is written into the fabric of the Universe. Can't you feel it?

((sorry. Couldn't resist. :p ))

Either someone has no idea about "Europe and the muslims" or I'm missing the point of the post.

I mean the way Europe is allowing itself to be trodden all over by muslims.

I read somewhere, after the Paris riots, that the numbers of cars being burned was down to normal, which was something around 100. NORMAL? What society with a backbone would accept that as normal?

Lookey, a troll!

"pets"
It's sooo cute! Are you sure it won't bite?

I mean the way Europe is allowing itself to be trodden all over by muslims.

I read somewhere, after the Paris riots, that the numbers of cars being burned was down to normal, which was something around 100. NORMAL? What society with a backbone would accept that as normal?NASCARia.

I mean the way Europe is allowing itself to be trodden all over by muslims.

I read somewhere, after the Paris riots, that the numbers of cars being burned was down to normal, which was something around 100. NORMAL? What society with a backbone would accept that as normal?

none

I mean the way Europe is allowing itself to be trodden all over by muslims.

I read somewhere, after the Paris riots, that the numbers of cars being burned was down to normal, which was something around 100. NORMAL? What society with a backbone would accept that as normal?

Yeah, I'm constantly being trodden all over by muslims :rolleyes: When you know something about Europe, come back and make an intelligent post. Maybe Europe should take the American stance and try to murder as many muslims as we can each year, because surely that's the christian way to deal with another culture.

Do you want to give a source for your car burning information, because from where I'm sitting it looks like crap?

Do you want to give a source for your car burning information, because from where I'm sitting it looks like crap?

I'd like to, but I'd have to dig it up. It's one of those things that gets lost because nobody cares because they're too PC to see that society is crumbling. But I'll take a look.

*looks*

Yeah, I'm constantly being trodden all over by muslims :rolleyes: When you know something about Europe, come back and make an intelligent post. Maybe Europe should take the American stance and try to murder as many muslims as we can each year, because surely that's the christian way to deal with another culture.

Do you want to give a source for your car burning information, because from where I'm sitting it looks like crap?
correction: we KILL people of ANY religion that want to MURDER our citizens.

Yeah, I'm constantly being trodden all over by muslims :rolleyes: When you know something about Europe, come back and make an intelligent post. Maybe Europe should take the American stance and try to murder as many muslims as we can each year, because surely that's the christian way to deal with another culture.

Do you want to give a source for your car burning information, because from where I'm sitting it looks like crap?
I think the number is quite right.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/11/13/MNG0JFNGV21.DTL

It's not normal in any other European country but it's surprisingly common in France.

Yes, I know, we, the Europeans are being walked all over by Islam. Only last week a friend of mine and I was acosted by a two young Muslims and bundled into the back of car and driven back to their hideout!
...
Oh... wait... sorry... That was actually my friend Moe and we were all going back to his house to play proevo on the his PS2. Eheh... nevermind me.

correction: we KILL people of ANY religion that want to MURDER our citizens.
Clarification: *Ahem* this does not reflect the views of most christians.


Now, speaking as a Citizen of the USA...

WOOOT!! RIGHT ON! :cool:

I think the number is quite right.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/11/13/MNG0JFNGV21.DTL

It's not normal in any other European country but it's surprisingly common in France.
is that why they say France is the hot place to be? cus of all the burning cars? :D

is that why they say France is the hot place to be? cus of all the burning cars? :D
Could be. They are so urban that they burn cars instead of wood. Says something about their wealth too. Not too many can afford it.

Could be. They are so urban that they burn cars instead of wood. Says something about their wealth too. Not too many can afford it.Oh... and there was me thinking is was just something they did to show their national pride. If you're proud to be American you probably join the army, if you're proud to be French then you probably burn a car, and if you're proud to be British then you're probably an oxymoron.

Do you want to give a source for your car burning information, because from where I'm sitting it looks like crap?

Im sure i read it somewhere actually, but that doesnt dismiss the point this is quite a bad post.

NASCARia.

Actually many race events such as the GTR have many crashes. Not just Nascar.

Nice try jabbing America though.

Canada City']Actually many race events such as the GTR have many crashes. Not just Nascar.

Nice try jabbing America though.
wtf?

I think the number is quite right.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/11/13/MNG0JFNGV21.DTL

It's not normal in any other European country but it's surprisingly common in France.

But it doesn't say anything about muslims doing it. As it points out, it is a French thing. I expect Kievan thinks Europe is somewhere in France.

Funny thing is, the romans and the british are both european.

Ever seen Asterix and Obelix in Britain? You know that part where the British allow themselves to be conquered by the Romans because they refused to fight after 5 PM or on weekends?

That's a lot like Europe and muslims.

The whole premise of this post is false, it assumes that muslims and europeans are mutually exclusive whereas in reality it is perfectly possible to be both:fluffle:

correction: we KILL people of ANY religion that want to MURDER our citizens.

Yeah, whatever. We're just about to come to the 15th anniversary of that glorious American victory where 10's of thousands of fleeing, unarmed iraqi's (the Americans could kill them but couldn't count them) were slaughtered by American troops on the road to Basra. Meanwhile the elite Republican Guard were allowed to get away, Kurds were being murdered in full view of American pilots and rebelling Shi-ites were also being murdered in view of American troops.

It's also coming up to the anniversary of the 2nd biggest loss of US soldiers in the first Gulf War, where, despite being repeatedly told they were doing it wrong, 7 US troops blew themselves up clearing bombs from a Kuwaiti airfield.

*Ahem*

Why, pray tell, should a Britisher such as I be an oxymoron if I'm proud to be British? Please, do enlighten me.

*Ahem*

Why, pray tell, should a Britisher such as I be an oxymoron if I'm proud to be British? Please, do enlighten me.

Because he doesn't know what oxymoron means.

But it doesn't say anything about muslims doing it. As it points out, it is a French thing. I expect Kievan thinks Europe is somewhere in France.
True. But who lives in those suburbs?
"Today, the image of a car in flames is emblematic of France's restive suburbs, with their disaffected populations, predominantly French of African descent."

And the vast majority of them are Muslim. They may not be religious and in any case their religion is not the reason (IMO) but it's stupid to deny facts. France has problems with it's Muslim population. Mostly because of several mistakes made in politics.

I also think that Kievan knows next to nothing about Europe, but it doesn't help if Europeans are on denial about what's happening around here.

correction: we KILL people of ANY religion that want to MURDER our citizens.

Unless they're Saudi Muslims, then you just buy oil from them

True. But who lives in those suburbs?
"Today, the image of a car in flames is emblematic of France's restive suburbs, with their disaffected populations, predominantly French of African descent."

And the vast majority of them are Muslim. They may not be religious and in any case their religion is not the reason (IMO) but it's stupid to deny facts. France has problems with it's Muslim population. Mostly because of several mistakes made in politics.

I also think that Kievan knows next to nothing about Europe, but it doesn't help if Europeans are on denial about what's happening around here.

Your quote starts with "today"; the previous paragraphs tell us that the burning of cars goes back to the 70's and doesn't say anything about muslims.

""Burning cars is rather typically French," said Michel Wieviorka, a French sociologist who has studied the phenomenon. "The last two weeks have been unusual, but it is more common than people realize.""

It says "typically French", not "typically French of African decent" or "typically muslim".

And Europe is not France.

But it doesn't say anything about muslims doing it. As it points out, it is a French thing. I expect Kievan thinks Europe is somewhere in France.

Yes, I'm sure that Pierre and Francois are out burning cars.

Your quote starts with "today"; the previous paragraphs tell us that the burning of cars goes back to the 70's and doesn't say anything about muslims.

""Burning cars is rather typically French," said Michel Wieviorka, a French sociologist who has studied the phenomenon. "The last two weeks have been unusual, but it is more common than people realize.""

It says "typically French", not "typically French of African decent" or "typically muslim".

And Europe is not France.
"The practice, he said, goes back to the late 1970s, when the suburbs began to seethe. Parked cars made an inviting target for gangs of young men nursing a grudge and hungry for attention."
You don't see any link between this quote and the one on my earlier post?
And you do remember that it were the Muslims who were rioting during those weeks?

Of course France is not Europe.

"The practice, he said, goes back to the late 1970s, when the suburbs began to seethe. Parked cars made an inviting target for gangs of young men nursing a grudge and hungry for attention."
You don't see any link between this quote and the one on my earlier post?
And you do remember that it were the Muslims who were rioting during those weeks?

Of course France is not Europe.

Yes, but the point I am making is that nowhere in the article does it say that they were muslims doing this in the 70's. There is no mention of muslims rioting in the 70's. You are taking 2 separate statements and making a logical equivalence, which is not stated in the article at all. If they were muslims, surely as a sociologist he would say they were muslims? I don't think the french are so politically correct as to miss out such a salient fact if it were true.

"The practice, he said, goes back to the late 1970s, when the suburbs began to seethe. Parked cars made an inviting target for gangs of young men nursing a grudge and hungry for attention."
You don't see any link between this quote and the one on my earlier post?
And you do remember that it were the Muslims who were rioting during those weeks?

No, they were French people rioting.... some of them were Muslim. It wass not organised, orchestrated, planned, led or controlled by any 'Muslim Conspiracy'.

God damn, don't people pay attention to current events any more...

No, they were French people rioting.... some of them were Muslim. It wass not organised, orchestrated, planned, led or controlled by any 'Muslim Conspiracy'.

God damn, don't people pay attention to current events any more...
As I posted earlier, the religion wasn't the reason.

No, they were French people rioting.... some of them were Muslim. It wass not organised, orchestrated, planned, led or controlled by any 'Muslim Conspiracy'.

God damn, don't people pay attention to current events any more...

If you think that the rioters weren't almost completely muslim, then you're very good at lying to yourself.

Yes, I'm sure that Pierre and Francois are out burning cars.

Yes, because only Muslims commit crimes. :rolleyes:

If you think that the rioters weren't almost completely muslim, then you're very good at lying to yourself.

And you're very good at inventing "facts" for which you have no corroboration.

If you think that the rioters weren't almost completely muslim, then you're very good at lying to yourself.
No..... I'm just good at paying attention to current events....

Clearly, you have some blinkers on today?

Yes, because only Muslims commit crimes. :rolleyes:

Did I say that? I said it wasn't the real French youths who were out burning cars and disabled people.

Yes, but the point I am making is that nowhere in the article does it say that they were muslims doing this in the 70's. There is no mention of muslims rioting in the 70's. You are taking 2 separate statements and making a logical equivalence, which is not stated in the article at all. If they were muslims, surely as a sociologist he would say they were muslims? I don't think the french are so politically correct as to miss out such a salient fact if it were true.
Because (once again) their religion wasn't the reason why they were rioting. They may not be religious at all. (though there were few imams who were trying to boost the flames -and few who tried to calm it down)

Did I say that? I said it wasn't the real French youths who were out burning cars and disabled people.

You did? Were they fake French youths? Perhaps French OAPs dressed as youths? American youths wearing berets, stripy shirts and onion strings around their necks?

Did I say that? I said it wasn't the real French youths who were out burning cars and disabled people.

Oh, so it's only "fake" French youths/foreigners that commit crimes? Well, that makes a world of difference to your brand of xenophobia, doesn't it. :rolleyes:

Did I say that? I said it wasn't the real French youths who were out burning cars and disabled people.
OMG. Not a cute troll anymore. Just plain annoying.

Did I say that? I said it wasn't the real French youths who were out burning cars and disabled people.

So, what, they were 'fake' French youths or what? What are you saying? :confused:

Because (once again) their religion wasn't the reason why they were rioting. They may not be religious at all. (though there were few imams who were trying to boost the flames -and few who tried to calm it down)

I think we might be agreeing with other, just missing each others points :)

And you're very good at inventing "facts" for which you have no corroboration.

No..... I'm just good at paying attention to current events....

Clearly, you have some blinkers on today?


... UHH! UHH! Are you retarded? The rioters consisted of blacks and north Africans, who were predominantly muslim. They were NOT of French, white, Christian descent. Where, between your eyes and your brain, does my statement become "Every criminal in the world is muslim, and we should exterminate them. Also, I'm Hitler reincarnate, but I hate muslims instead of Jews." How do my rational statements become irrational to you? What chemical compounds in your brain are causing these reactions?

I think we might be agreeing with other, just missing each others points :)
Maybe the word Muslim is misleading in this case. :) (I think it is)

... UHH! UHH! Are you retarded? The rioters consisted of blacks and north Africans, who were predominantly muslim. They were NOT of French, white, Christian descent. Where, between your eyes and your brain, does my statement become "Every criminal in the world is muslim, and we should exterminate them. Also, I'm Hitler reincarnate, but I hate muslims instead of Jews." How do my rational statements become irrational to you? What chemical compounds in your brain are causing these reactions?

What makes you think that French people are of white christian descent? Do you know anything of the history of Europe?

As an "englishman" I am likely to have Norman, Saxon, Roman, Viking, Hun, Vandal, Visigoth, Angle, Pict or Celt blood in me. Just as French people are likely to have blood of any number of races, including Muslim people that lived in Europe throughout the centuries.

... UHH! UHH! Are you retarded? The rioters consisted of blacks and north Africans, who were predominantly muslim. They were NOT of French, white, Christian descent. Where, between your eyes and your brain, does my statement become "Every criminal in the world is muslim, and we should exterminate them. Also, I'm Hitler reincarnate, but I hate muslims instead of Jews." How do my rational statements become irrational to you? What chemical compounds in your brain are causing these reactions?

Aaahhh.... I don't whether to take this myself or let Fass do it....

I'll enjoy the show better if it were Fass.

*opens popcorn, takes a seat*

What makes you think that French people are of white christian descent? Do you know anything of the history of Europe?

YES. THE FRENCH ARE DESCENT OF THE FRANKS. THE FRANKS WERE GERMANIC. I NEVER READ ABOUT ANY GERMANICS NAMED "ABDUL". EUROPE IS FULL OF WHITE PEOPLE. THAT'S WHY THE ENGLISH WHO SETTLED WERE WHITE.

God, you people are so frustrating.

Looks like someone is losing the ability to write in English.

God, you people are so frustrating.

God, you're so racist.

As an "englishman" I am likely to have Norman, Saxon, Roman, Viking, Hun, Vandal, Visigoth, Angle, Pict or Celt blood in me. Just as French people are likely to have blood of any number of races, including Muslim people that lived in Europe throughout the centuries.

Until the mass immigration after WWII, the closest muslims came to being a noticable ethnic groups in Europe was Tours and Vienna. Mercifully, they lost.

God, you're so racist.

No, you're just a fucktard. If white people were doing that sort of stuff, you'd be calling for them to be locked up. But it's ok if they're anything other than white or Chrisitian. Because you're a PC fuckwit.

And Fass, 80% of rapes in Sweden are by immigrants against white Swedish girls. You can't say anything.

Until the mass immigration after WWII, the closest muslims came to being a noticable ethnic groups in Europe was Tours and Vienna. Mercifully, they lost.

Idiot.

God, you're so racist.
for once fass.

I'm backing you on this.

"Fake French"

why am I picturing that English Idiot from "Allo Allo"
"Good Moaning"

Until the mass immigration after WWII, the closest muslims came to being a noticable ethnic groups in Europe was Tours and Vienna. Mercifully, they lost.

Someone's forgetting the Balkans, the Iberian peninsula as well as Turkey. God, you're so ignorant of European demographics.

http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/ihame/Sec5.htm

No, you're just a fucktard. If white people were doing that sort of stuff, you'd be calling for them to be locked up. But it's ok if they're anything other than white or Chrisitian. Because you're a PC fuckwit.

Enough of the flames. You've just lost your argument because you can't control your temper.

I'm done.
*dusts off hands*

Someone's forgetting the Balkans, the Iberian peninsula as well as Turkey. God, you're so ignorant of European demographics.

Ohh, the Balkans. Because they raped their way through Greece. God, you're so ignorant of military history.

No, you're just a fucktard. If white people were doing that sort of stuff, you'd be calling for them to be locked up. But it's ok if they're anything other than white or Chrisitian. Because you're a PC fuckwit.

Yes, the name-calling was less than impressive, and, no, it does not succeed in fooling anyone into not noticing what a racist you are.

And Fass, 80% of rapes in Sweden are by immigrants against white Swedish girls. You can't say anything.

Again, you're so adept at inventing "facts" for which you have no corroboration.

Enough of the flames. You've just lost your argument because you can't control your temper.

I'm done.
*dusts off hands*

Yes, because I'm surrounded by idiots like you wearing PC glasses.

Ohh, the Balkans. Because they raped their way through Greece. God, you're so ignorant of military history.

What, so the Balkans, the Iberian peninsula and Turkey are somehow not part of Eruope, or they are, but didn't or don't have noticable Muslim "ethnic" groups? :rolleyes:

Seems to me, you were just displaying how ignorant you truly are of Europe.

Again, you're so adept at inventing "facts" for which you have no corroboration.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=20646

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12/immigrant-rape-wave-in-sweden.html

What, so the Balkans, the Iberian peninsula and Turkey are somehow not part of part and, or they are, but didn't or don't have noticable Muslim "ethnic" groups? Seems to me, you were just displaying how ignorant you truly are of Europe.

I believe those were "conquered".

I read somewhere, after the Paris riots, that the numbers of cars being burned was down to normal, which was something around 100. NORMAL? What society with a backbone would accept that as normal?

Clearly France.

You know what, enough. I thought Europe had grown a spine since the Phony War. Looks like I was wrong. But good. I wait for the day that Europe submits.

And may God save America, the true nation of the West. Because no deity can save Europe.

*roflmao*

Yes, because I'm surrounded by idiots like you wearing PC glasses.
may I say, Very Seriously, back away from the keyboard. you are posting in anger and such flames are not constructive to your argument.

take some time out, visit some fun threads, get your mind off of this... please.

continuing to post such flames will attract mods.

You know what, enough. I thought Europe had grown a spine since the Phony War. Looks like I was wrong. But good. I wait for the day that Europe submits.

And may God save America, the true nation of the West. Because no deity can save Europe.

You're leaving because people are actually disagreeing with you and disagreeing with the facts that you've bought out? Well, that and your racism of course. I'd also like to know why you think Europe hasn't got a spine because of France rioting and Muslim minorities increasing in numbers....which is what I think you're insinuating.

may I say, Very Seriously, back away from the keyboard. you are posting in anger and such flames are not constructive to your argument.

take some time out, visit some fun threads, get your mind off of this... please.

continuing to post such flames will attract mods.

I'm over it. Europe is not worth anybody's time of effort.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=20646

Contains no corroborating facts, just the ranting of some racial blogger disguising as "Front Page Mag."

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12/immigrant-rape-wave-in-sweden.html

Convicted rapists != all rapists. That "study" (and, oh, did you fail to notice that it was based on just 27 cases? Shit, I doubt you could have chosen anything less statistically viable even if you'd tried - especially seeing as the "study" was pre-biased to only encompass one particular kind of rape - not all) just says immigrants are more likely to be found guilty by the courts, if it says anything. You think about that.

Also, next time, please do choose a source that isn't notorious in being xenophobic, like Fjordman is, and that spares us the "oooh, they've come to rape and pillage our precious little white girls" histrionics.

I believe those were "conquered".

So they're not part of Europe, or what? Or is it really that hard for you to admit you were talking shit, like you have for most of this thread?

Until the mass immigration after WWII, the closest muslims came to being a noticable ethnic groups in Europe was Tours and Vienna. Mercifully, they lost.

You are, of course, ignoring the period between 711 AD and about 1500 AD, in which Spain was under Muslim rule. And the muslims in Europe under the Ottoman Empire. And in Turkey. And Macedonia. And other countries...

Edit: Damn, I'm slow today it seems :)

Honestly, I don't care anymore. Europe isn't worth the words I type.

You know who are the real victims in this, right? The men and women who gave their lives to protect that pathetic little peninsula. ESPECIALLY the Americans.

Honestly, I don't care anymore. Europe isn't worth the words I type.

You know who are the real victims in this, right? The men and women who gave their lives to protect that pathetic little peninsula. ESPECIALLY the Americans.

"Oh, boohoo, they didn't buy my crap so now I'll be all like, 'I don't care,' so they don't see they've hurt my feelings by being such meanies in not listening to my racist gobbledegook."

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/ultravioletu/waambulance2.jpg

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=20646

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12/immigrant-rape-wave-in-sweden.html

Well, even though you have been going on a bit of a wild streak over the last couple pages, I couldnt help not reading this article in shock and awe. Can someone from Europe please read this article (the second one) and confirm what it says. It seems like Northern Europe (Scandanavia) is getting worse than I thought.

And I'm not trying to start up a fight, I'm really truley worried about those girls.

You can't hurt my feelings, actually. I'm Aspergian. I can change them.

So, no, I don't see Europe as a worthy cause. But no matter.

"Oh, boohoo, they didn't buy my crap so now I'll be all like, 'I don't care,' so they don't see they've hurt my feelings by being such meanies in not listening to my racist gobbledegook."

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/ultravioletu/waambulance2.jpg

Whats that from?

Well, even though you have been going on a bit of a wild streak over the last couple pages, I couldnt help not reading this article in shock and awe. Can someone from Europe please read this article (the second one) and confirm what it says. It seems like Northern Europe (Scandanavia) is getting worse than I thought.

And I'm not trying to start up a fight, I'm really truley worried about those girls.

Trusting the descriptions of "Fjordman" is like trusting the descriptions of Stormfront or the KKK.

Well, even though you have been going on a bit of a wild streak over the last couple pages, I couldnt help not reading this article in shock and awe. Can someone from Europe please read this article (the second one) and confirm what it says. It seems like Northern Europe (Scandanavia) is getting worse than I thought.

And I'm not trying to start up a fight, I'm really truley worried about those girls.

Sorry, but you're on the wrong side of the argument now. I find those articles I posted hilarious now. Those girls deserved what they got, for being the weaker race.

I'm Aspergian.

Your mental illness doesn't excuse you, although it does explain certain things.

Your mental illness doesn't excuse you, although it does explain certain things.

Like why I now realise that good isn't the way?

Whats that from?

Gobbledegook? It's just an English word, no?

Yeah, I'm constantly being trodden all over by muslims :rolleyes: When you know something about Europe, come back and make an intelligent post. Maybe Europe should take the American stance and try to murder as many muslims as we can each year, because surely that's the christian way to deal with another culture.

Do you want to give a source for your car burning information, because from where I'm sitting it looks like crap?
Come on now, the US isn't trying to murder Muslims. If we were do you really think there would still be over a billion of them around? I'm sure that even without nuclear weapons we could half their number in a few months.

Sorry, but you're on the wrong side of the argument now. I find those articles I posted hilarious now. Those girls deserved what they got, for being the weaker race.for someone who said they done with this thread, you sure are posting (and near trolling/flambaiting at that) alot. :rolleyes:


"Oh, boohoo, they didn't buy my crap so now I'll be all like, 'I don't care,' so they don't see they've hurt my feelings by being such meanies in not listening to my racist gobbledegook."can I ask for the personal attacks to stop... please?

for someone who said they done with this thread, you sure are posting (and near trolling/flambaiting at that) alot. :rolleyes:

Not really done. Just... gave myself a few seconds to adjust to my new worldview.

Because he doesn't know what oxymoron means.
Who are you calling an Ox Moron?

You can't hurt my feelings, actually. I'm Aspergian. I can change them.


I thought you were American? If what you mean is that you have Aspergers Syndrome then you know as little about Aspergers and the Autistic spectrum as you do about Europe. As someone with an autistic nephew and friends with Aspbergers Syndrome I can tell you that those with Aspergers Syndrome do have feelings which can be hurt. In fact they are more sensitive than non-Aspergers Syndrome sufferers in many areas.

Like why I now realise that good isn't the way?

No, more generally why you're behaving like you have so far, with the childish name-calling, the poor attempt to cover up not having anything to support you outlandish claims, the unwillingness to accept you were completely wrong when it is apparent you are (e.g. about European demographics), to the regression into whining... it all comes into a different light, but is not excused.

I thought you were American? If what you mean is that you have Aspergers Syndrome then you know as little about Aspergers and the Autistic spectrum as you do about Europe. As someone with an autistic nephew and friends with Aspbergers Syndrome I can tell you that those with Aspergers Syndrome do have feelings which can be hurt. In fact they are more sensitive than non-Aspergers Syndrome sufferers in many areas.

I have mild Aspergers. And yes, I know about our extra-sensitive feelings. That's why I've adjusted.

No, more generally why you're behaving like you have so far, with the childish name-calling, the poor attempt to cover up not having anything to support you outlandish claims, the unwillingness to accept you were completely wrong when it is apparent you are (e.g. about European demographics), to the regression into whining... it all comes into a different light, but is not excused.

Pfhhh. I was wrong. Wrong for wasting my time and money fighting something that is actually a good thing. For me, of course. Maybe not so good for the Europeans. But no matter.

... UHH! UHH! Are you retarded? The rioters consisted of blacks and north Africans, who were predominantly muslim. They were NOT of French, white, Christian descent. Where, between your eyes and your brain, does my statement become "Every criminal in the world is muslim, and we should exterminate them. Also, I'm Hitler reincarnate, but I hate muslims instead of Jews." How do my rational statements become irrational to you? What chemical compounds in your brain are causing these reactions?
I think the vast majority of them were French citizens. Otherwise how do you explain the extremely low casualty rate? If they were of any other nationality they would have enough balls to kill a bunch of people.

Trusting the descriptions of "Fjordman" is like trusting the descriptions of Stormfront or the KKK.

I'm not going to defend either the accusation nor the accused in this thread, but I noticed that you keep asking for proof of something that the other side is forced to go to the 'black market' of media for evidence of because the official sources like the Bra (the Swedish council of crime prevention - the agency responsible for the collection and study of crime rates etc.,) doesn't keep or release to the public. The Bra will talk about the number of rapes and by stranger and by acquaintance, by age of the victim and by type of assault, but they don't release to the public the race of the victims nor of the perpetrators. So knowing that Sweden is hiding these numbers from the public, you then ask for proof of the accusation and then deny that the source is credible. Not good form. Which sources should a person use to study the race and religion of the rape crimes reported in Sweden, if they want both the victim and the perpetrators race?

It is equally possible that Sweden doesn't want it to look like they are disproportionately punishing immigrants OR that they want the society at large to think the immigrants disproportionately commit assault crimes OR there may be no disproportionate statistics to show. Nothing can be known from the official sources, so far as I know of.

Can you suggest a solution to the question?

YES. THE FRENCH ARE DESCENT OF THE FRANKS. THE FRANKS WERE GERMANIC. I NEVER READ ABOUT ANY GERMANICS NAMED "ABDUL". EUROPE IS FULL OF WHITE PEOPLE. THAT'S WHY THE ENGLISH WHO SETTLED WERE WHITE.

God, you people are so frustrating.
No, the French are citizens of that country nestled between Spain and Germany and often invaded by the latter. They can come in any "race" and their parents might have moved there from any number of other countries, but they're still cheese eating surrender monkeys.:D

I thought you were American? If what you mean is that you have Aspergers Syndrome then you know as little about Aspergers and the Autistic spectrum as you do about Europe. As someone with an autistic nephew and friends with Aspbergers Syndrome I can tell you that those with Aspergers Syndrome do have feelings which can be hurt. In fact they are more sensitive than non-Aspergers Syndrome sufferers in many areas.

Precisely.

Is that also your excuse for trying to change the subject when you are shown to be wrong?

Although, quite frankly I'd rather Europe was run by Muslims than Bush and his business cronies (I won't do the Republicans the dishonour of mistaking the current US government with Republicanism).

Is that also your excuse for trying to change the subject when you are shown to be wrong?

Although, quite frankly I'd rather Europe was run by Muslims than Bush and his business cronies (I won't do the Republicans the dishonour of mistaking the current US government with Republicanism).

I agree. Islamic Europe can only be a good thing.

I agree. Islamic Europe can only be a good thing.

That's not what I said, but I wouldn't expect you to know the difference.

I'm not going to defend either the accusation nor the accused in this thread, but I noticed that you keep asking for proof of something that the other side is forced to go to the 'black market' of media for evidence of because the official sources like the Bra (the Swedish council of crime prevention - the agency responsible for the collection and study of crime rates etc.,) doesn't keep or release to the public. The Bra will talk about the number of rapes and by stranger and by acquaintance, by age of the victim and by type of assault, but they don't release to the public the race of the victims nor of the perpetrators. So knowing that Sweden is hiding these numbers from the public, you then ask for proof of the accusation and then deny that the source is credible. Not good form. Which sources should a person use to study the race and religion of the rape crimes reported in Sweden, if they want both the victim and the perpetrators race?

It is equally possible that Sweden doesn't want it to look like they are disproportionately punishing immigrants OR that they want the society at large to think the immigrants disproportionately commit assault crimes OR there may be no disproportionate statistics to show. Nothing can be known from the official sources, so far as I know of.

Can you suggest a solution to the question?

You are of course aware that the 27 case "study" cited was commissioned by Brottsoffermyndigheten (http://www.brottsoffermyndigheten.se/), no? So much for those claims of yours... And Sweden hardly ever keeps track of "race" - unlike the US, we have no checkboxes for "white, black, whatever" in forms and stuff.

You are of course aware that the 27 case "study" cited was commissioned by Brottsoffermyndigheten (http://www.brottsoffermyndigheten.se/), no? So much for those claims of yours... And Sweden hardly ever keeps track of "race" - unlike the US, we have no checkboxes for "white, black, whatever" in forms and stuff.

I'm not defending that study, I haven't even read it. I'm asking you where you think a person should be able to find credible sources for that data.

That's not what I said, but I wouldn't expect you to know the difference.

Well, it is a good thing. Europe will be out of the way.

Well, it is a good thing. Europe will be out of the way.

Out of the way of what? American world domination? The tour de France?

Out of the way of what? American world domination? The tour de France?

The first option.

I'm not defending that study, I haven't even read it.

Brottsoffermyndigheten is a government agency. So your claims of trying it trying to "hide" these figures was just a bit incongruous when in fact the figures did come from the government.

I'm asking you where you think a person should be able to find credible sources for that data.

I have never looked for it myself, as I find information about socio-economics to be much more valuable when it comes to explanations as to crime, but you could try with the SCB, Brå, as you said, and the aforementioned Brottsoffermyndigheten. Be advised, though, that unless you speak Swedish, you may have a hard time in your quest, and, as I said, you will probably not find any "race" fields anywhere, as that is not a commonly tracked variable.

Wow... this is a first. a complete 180 change after only one argument thread. :p

The first option.

I think a Europe run by muslims would still be in the way of American world domination. But I bow to your logic on that one.

Wow... this is a first. a complete 180 change after only one argument thread. :p

Well, in hindsight, my old beliefs couldn't hold water.

I'm also likely to change my views again. In the past, I've been a Nazi, a Communist, a Democrat, a liberal, an Anarchist and an Imperialist.

I think a Europe run by muslims would still be in the way of American world domination. But I bow to your logic on that one.

Well, it's really Europe and their diplomatic crap holding up America.

Brottsoffermyndigheten is a government agency. So your claims of trying it trying to "hide" these figures was just a bit incongruous when in gact the figures did come from the government.



I have never looked for it myself, as I find information about socio-economics to be much more valuable when it comes to explanations as to crime, but you could try with the SCB, Brå, as you said, and the aforementioned Brottsoffermyndigheten. Be advised, though, that unless you speak Swedish, you may have a hard time in your quest, and, as I said, you will probably not find any "race" fields anywhere, as that is not a commonly tracked variable.

*bolded by me*

How is what I said incongruous when you warn that it is true yourself? Obviously you’re very self-defensive about the very accusation of disproportionate racism in Sedish statistics, since you can’t provide what you want to recognize as a credible report yourself, nevermind, forget I asked.

*bolded by me*

The bolding is superfluous. They're not untracked in an effort to hide. They have never been tracked. They aren't. Not by any branch of government - not even those unrelated to crimes, such as, oh, say, the tax authority. Race is not an issue that needs to be tracked, so it isn't. The government doesn't care about your race.

How is what I said incongruous when you warn that it is true yourself? Obviously you’re very self-defensive about the very accusation of disproportionate racism in Sedish statistics, since you can’t provide what you want to recognize as a credible report yourself, nevermind, forget I asked.

I don't need to supply anything. He's the one claiming ridiculous numbers (80% of all rapes committed by immigrants, when, in fact, it was completely taken out of context from a minor "study" (more an inquiry) at just one court (Svea Hovrätt) on a very limited amount of cases (27) and delimited to only a certain type of rape) and I effectively rebuffed his numbers as I did just again.

Now, if you want to come to the crux of the matter: Are immigrants - identified as being born abroad (the variable that is tracked by certain government agencies, unlike that of race) - over-represented in Swedish crime rates? Yes. That is no secret. The government has never tried to conceal it, BRÅ and Brottsoffermyndigheten and SCB all have never hidden this. However, it just so happens that those immigrants more often fall into a socio-economic stratum that is itself over-represented in crime rates, that has always been over-represented in crime rates, no matter if populated by people born here or abroad: the disadvantaged and underprivileged. Hence why immigrant status is seen, and rightfully so, as considerably less important when it comes to these matters.

Though, 80%, that would be pretty funny, ya? It's hilarious already.

Though, 80%, that would be pretty funny, ya? It's hilarious already.
now you are flamebaiting and trolling. Please stop.

now you are flamebaiting and trolling. Please stop.

I'm not! I genuinely find it funny. It's funny when you see a stronger dog chasing a weaker cat, and this is the same.

I'm not! I genuinely find it funny. It's funny when you see a stronger dog chasing a weaker cat, and this is the same.

Your analogies don't even make sense now. Plus I'd like to point out that the US is quite likely to be unable to dominate the entire world - I believe countries like China might have something to say about that, plus entire continents like Europe for example.

I'm not! I genuinely find it funny. It's funny when you see a stronger dog chasing a weaker cat, and this is the same.
laughing at Rape is not funny.

you've already made your points in other threads as well as this one. Your moral values had holes so like a child, you went to the other extreme. fine. nuff already.

Your analogies don't even make sense now. Plus I'd like to point out that the US is quite likely to be unable to dominate the entire world - I believe countries like China might have something to say about that, plus entire continents like Europe for example.

Fair enough. China and India are very strong too. But America just seems so... feisty, right now.

Europe, though? Ha! No, they're way too weak.

laughing at Rape is not funny.

you've already made your points in other threads as well as this one. Your moral values had holes so like a child, you went to the other extreme. fine. nuff already.

Female Soviet officers laughed at German women being raped.

Female Soviet officers laughed at German women being raped.

That's not an excuse. Thats just inhuman and disgusting.

Female Soviet officers laughed at German women being raped.

Are you comparing yourself to an evil red army officer, who (red army)committed terrible atrocities agianst German civilians?

Are you comparing yourself to an evil red army officer, who (red army)committed terrible atrocities agianst German civilians?

I suppose I am.

I suppose I am.

I...what? Ye gods, that damned Neo-Nazi made more sense than you did, and he thought the Holocaust was made up. You sure you're not a puppet?

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Now, if you want to come to the crux of the matter: Are immigrants - identified as being born abroad (the variable that is tracked by certain government agencies, unlike that of race) - over-represented in Swedish crime rates? Yes. That is no secret. The government has never tried to conceal it, BRÅ and Brottsoffermyndigheten and SCB all have never hidden this. However, it just so happens that those immigrants more often fall into a socio-economic stratum that is itself over-represented in crime rates, that has always been over-represented in crime rates, no matter if populated by people born here or abroad: the disadvantaged and underprivileged. Hence why immigrant status is seen, and rightfully so, as considerably less important when it comes to these matters.


Much better position to take than simply attacking the source of the oppositions numbers when the numbers themselves were technically not in error, attack deduction made from the numbers, as you've done. Thank you.


Edit: as to the proposition that recording race in crime reports and crime results don't need to be measured or even recorded, I wonder how we would have learned of the courts in American that disproportionately sentence African American males to longer sentences for equal crimes than white criminals if the race boxes weren't checked in reports for the surveys to find? I suggest that keeping a record of such things is not inherently racist in and of itself.

So... To sum up, Muslims and Europe reminds a former nazi, former communist, former democrat, former liberal, former anarchist, former imperialist, whose current political affiliation is "rape is funny" of Asterix and Obelix.

Go, the internet!

Why are you guys feeding the troll? The guy is stark raving mad.

Why are you guys feeding the troll? The guy is stark raving mad.

I prefer the word "insane".

I prefer the word "insane".
you're a poster. ;)

Gee, and I thought trolling was still against the rules 'round here.

Gee, and I thought trolling was still against the rules 'round here.
if you read the thread, he's changed his tune and opinion twice. so he's wasn't trolling but expressing his honest opinion.

Gee, and I thought trolling was still against the rules 'round here.


Good! Then we can start banning ALL threads posts displaying the umma as anything better than a collection of murderous embassay-burners.

So... To sum up, Muslims and Europe reminds a former nazi, former communist, former democrat, former liberal, former anarchist, former imperialist, whose current political affiliation is "rape is funny" of Asterix and Obelix.

Go, the internet!

Not only "rape is funny" but in another thread "my sister got raped by a gang of muslims" (i assume he didn't giggle through it. Hope not, anyway). Oh and he's 17. Thats quite a few political affiliations to get through by 17.

if you read the thread, he's changed his tune and opinion twice. so he's wasn't trolling but expressing his honest opinion.

Yeah, or maybe he changed his tune twice so that there would be a new set of reactions. Kind of like changing the bait to get different kinds of fish.

Yeah, or maybe he changed his tune twice so that there would be a new set of reactions. Kind of like changing the bait to get different kinds of fish.
feel free to report it.

I mean the way Europe is allowing itself to be trodden all over by muslims.
Only in Britain. For the most part, we aren't. Most Europeans support the right to free speech over the right not to be offended.

I read somewhere, after the Paris riots, that the numbers of cars being burned was down to normal, which was something around 100. NORMAL? What society with a backbone would accept that as normal?
Yes, 100 cars get burned on an average Saturday night in France. Joyriding and burning cars is not a problem exclusive to France. Many more cars probably get burned in America every night.

Canada City']Actually many race events such as the GTR have many crashes. Not just Nascar.

Nice try jabbing America though.
This guy is funny because he's more defensive of right-wing Americans than he is about his own countrymen.

And you're very good at inventing "facts" for which you have no corroboration.
No..... I'm just good at paying attention to current events....
Are you both claiming that the rioters represented a comprehensive sample of France's population? Thus denying that most rioters were of African and Asian descent?

Fass, your double standard for Christians and Muslims is getting ridiculous. In my time on these forums I've seen you loudly condemn US Christian attempts to write away gay rights (and rightfully so), but I've also seen you exhibit vomitous relativism regarding Muslims, who get a free pass in your book to do anything without condemnation. We're both atheists. Why can't you join me in condemning all religious extremism?

Oh, and here are some current events for you.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4405620.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4493706.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4407688.stm

Yeah... that's about enough here.

If people want to pick up the discussion of statistical representation of crime in Sweden, be my guest. The rest of this nonsense... no.