NationStates Jolt Archive

Well... the Danish pictures are offending Muslims, fair enough. But then they go and attack the Danish government itself.

To what extent does a free media exist in the Islamic world? As I understand it, they seem to think the government directly controls the newspaper, which is why they're going nuts everywhere.

I know Iran controls all its newspapers, but what's it like elsewhere in Islamic countries, and how relevant is this to the protests?

Reporters without borders press freedom index 2005 (http://www.rsf.org/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=554)

Gives you some idea, and the middle east and asia don't do well.

Reporters without borders press freedom index 2005 (http://www.rsf.org/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=554)

Gives you some idea, and the middle east and asia don't do well.
That's a big part of why ignorance, corruption, and lack of modernization have become common in the middle east.

To what extent does a free media exist in the Islamic world? Almost all Arab Govs are Dictatures.. Specially US friends.. Does that answers you question??

...almost every time an Arab Country is opening to Democracy.. (Iran, Palestine, Egypt, Algeria..ec) They elect "anti-US"/"Islamist" representatives.. usually at that point The Generals kill the emerging democracy and install a new US puppet.. usually to try the same stunt a few years/decades later..

*hint* ...Maybe that is Why they are almost all Dictatures..
;)

BTW most of Latin-America History followed the exact same Blueprint..

In many ways The 21st Century Arabs are in fact the 20th Century Latin-Americans... Osama is El-Che.. with more Brains and Money.

other difference is that the Arabs are more "rebel" than the Latin-Americans.
They are more willing to Die for their freedom...

Almost all Arab Govs are Dictatures.. Specially US friends.. Does that answers you question??

...almost every time an Arab Country is opening to Democracy.. (Iran, Palestine, Egypt, Algeria..ec) They elect "anti-US"/"Islamist" representatives.. usually at that point The Generals kill the emerging democracy and install a new US puppet.. usually to try the same stunt a few years/decades later..

...Maybe that is Why they are almost all Dictatures..
*hint* ;)

BTW most of South-America History followed the exact same Blueprint..

In many ways The 21st Century Arabs are in fact the 20th Century South-Americans... Osama is El-Che.. with more Brains and Money.

other difference is that the Arabs are more "rebel" than the South-Americans.
They are more willing to Die for their freedom...
Hmm, you've got me thinking now. Maybe we should establish some hardcore El Savator style death squads to rape their women, assasinate their religious leaders, and slaughter anyone who opposes them. If the situation is similar to Latin America, maybe we should use similar tactics to pacify them.

Hmm, you've got me thinking now.YEAH.. I get a lot of that...
You owe me 100$.. just leave your check with the receptionist.. :D :D :p :D

Your next session is Tuesday at 10h00.

Ah allow me to spread the controversy that Al Jazeera is indeed a fine example of an independant News agency.

Before you wish pestilence and eternal damnation upon me, I'll stress the fact that an independent news agency does not mean it isn't biased.

Al Jazeera is free of political meddling from it's host Qatar and I even find it's news coverage to be only mildly biased. How very strange is it really for an -Arab- news agency to report news from the arab point of view? In that case it isn't so suprising that the west doesn't come out to well. How about you actually start to view their news online instead of shouting along with the rest of the crowd? I'll be so helpfull to supply you with a link: http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage

In case you wish to impose the western supriority on this subject allow me to direct you to our ever so reliable Fox News Network which can hardly be called unbiased. And it isn't that odd, they have afterall to "entertain" their particular public which happens to be a more conservative audience.

Commercial News in this regard is almost as bad as state controlled news for the very reason the merely show you what you wish to see and not what you -should- see, namely the cold bare fact.

But i'm forgiving because afterall who wants to see hundreds of people perishing under -another- badly constructed building when we can see such joyeous news like the Smith family having spotted traces of UFO's and Tobo the housedogs uncanny ability to bark the anwsers of mathimatical problems.

As for that epitome of western news coverage CNN, I can only remind myself of those lovely scences from the 1991 second gulf war (The first one being the one between Irak-Iran) where CNN showed us delightfull images of tanks rolling over the Iraqi desert accompanied by a bombastic victorious soundtrack.

This is taken from a statement on the ADL website; I know this organisation has a fairly obvious pro-Israel bias but I think that's irrelevant in the context of the point being made here.


"What has been overlooked in the controversy is the fact that despicable anti-Jewish caricatures appear daily in newspapers across the Arab and Muslim world.

While invoking the supposed "freedom of the press" in their countries, Arab and Muslim leaders have refused to take any action to stem the drumbeat of anti-Semitism in widely circulated newspapers, many state-sponsored.

Indeed, leaders of regimes such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia have virtually ignored appeals from the United States and Jewish organizations to put an end to incitement in their media, excusing it in the name of "freedom of the press."

One would hope that leaders of Arab and Muslim countries would turn all of the anger being aimed at the European press into a larger lesson for their own people about the power of images"

This is taken from a statement on the ADL website; I know this organisation has a fairly obvious pro-Israel bias but I think that's irrelevant in the context of the point being made here.


"What has been overlooked in the controversy is the fact that despicable anti-Jewish caricatures appear daily in newspapers across the Arab and Muslim world.

While invoking the supposed "freedom of the press" in their countries, Arab and Muslim leaders have refused to take any action to stem the drumbeat of anti-Semitism in widely circulated newspapers, many state-sponsored.

Indeed, leaders of regimes such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia have virtually ignored appeals from the United States and Jewish organizations to put an end to incitement in their media, excusing it in the name of "freedom of the press."

One would hope that leaders of Arab and Muslim countries would turn all of the anger being aimed at the European press into a larger lesson for their own people about the power of images"

Game. Set. Match.

Game. Set. Match.

Do unto others seems to come into play here.

We can do it because of freedom of the press but yet they can't because its inciteful. Nice hypocracy if I ever saw it!

Do unto others seems to come into play here.

We can do it because of freedom of the press but yet they can't because its inciteful. Nice hypocracy if I ever saw it!

Interesting. I think you misread.

I, also, cry hypocrite, but from the other perspective. If they want to display negative Jewish/Christian images in their newspapers, then they have no right to bitch if someone prints a picture of Muhammed with a bomb for a turban.

Interesting. I think you misread.

I, also, cry hypocrite, but from the other perspective. If they want to display negative Jewish/Christian images in their newspapers, then they have no right to bitch if someone prints a picture of Muhammed with a bomb for a turban.

This is what I just said!

This is what I just said!

Really? It sounded to me that you were saying that we (the west) have no right to bitch about their images of Jews/Cristians because of the Muhammed portrayals in newspapers.

It is a double-edged sword, but illogical on their side.

Well... the Danish pictures are offending Muslims, fair enough. But then they go and attack the Danish government itself.

To what extent does a free media exist in the Islamic world? As I understand it, they seem to think the government directly controls the newspaper, which is why they're going nuts everywhere.

I know Iran controls all its newspapers, but what's it like elsewhere in Islamic countries, and how relevant is this to the protests?

Middle Eastern news organisations have the freedom to attack Israel and the Jews in general, and America and the West in general, and non-Islamic religions. I think that's about as far as their "freedom" goes.

can someone post a link to the cartoons in detail please.

can someone post a link to the cartoons in detail please.
You can easily Google (http://www.google.ca) it up. :D

Am trying to Google it .way too much shit.the only one I can find is the one with the bomb in the turbin

I don't think you should drink that........... It looks bad for you...

Middle Eastern news organizations have the freedom to attack Israel and the Jews in general...In theory.. news Corporations have the freedom to attack anyone.. And people do have the freedom to express their anger at Media Corporations.. (For whatever reasons Rigth or wrong.) or to express their Anger at Govs.. Local or Foreign.

In Practice almost all Arab Countries are Dictatures.. with fewer rights.. for the Media and the People.

also In Practice.. a "reporter" usually will avoid Reporting against the "Friends" of his bosses... and that is not exclusive to Arab Countries.

also In Practice.. a "reporter" usually will avoid Reporting against the "Friends" of his bosses... and that is not exclusive to Arab Countries.

For instance I would be very surprised to ever see Al-Jazeera generating Breaking News vilifying the Dictators of Qatar (will happen only when hell freezes over..)

and Its is not all about personal Interest or "Friendship".. Media Owners can sometimes be threatened and intimidated too.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002164873_jazeera30.html

For instance I would be very surprised to ever see Al-Jazeera generating Breaking News vilifying the Dictators of Qatar (will happen only when hell freezes over..)



Same story goes for the Fox New Agency..

To what extent does a free media exist in the Islamic world?

I will ask it, then: To what extent does free media exist in the United States of America? Minimal. Why is this? (insert my username here)

Al Jazeera (http://www.aljazeera.com) broadcasts via satellite and is considered the Arab BBC or AP. Even in Iran, people can have a satellite and receive it (whether they are allowed to or not). AJ is based in one of the most liberal, if not most liberal Arab states: Qatar. Also the only country starting with Q.

I will ask it, then: To what extent does free media exist in the United States of America? Minimal. Why is this? (insert my username here)
Yeah. Ted Turner, who started CNN, and Rupert Murdoch of Newscorp are hardcore zionist Jews.:rolleyes:

Generally, it's as free as long as it reflects the views of the government. Some nations' media are freer than others, but most are at least somewhat controlled by the government. Obviously, the freest media in the Middle East is the BBC, but there are almost no indigenous free sources of information.

Yeah. Ted Turner, who started CNN, and Rupert Murdoch of Newscorp are hardcore zionist Jews.:rolleyes:

Mind you, I truelly doubt Mister Murdoch has done anything to advance the quality of good unbiased news coverage.

Yeah. Ted Turner, who started CNN, and Rupert Murdoch of Newscorp are hardcore zionist Jews.:rolleyes:FYI Rupert Murdoch is as biased as Pat Robertson.. But he is way smarter.. and way more Powerful.

Ted Turner?.. no, he is not Biased. And Ted Turner is way more generous than Robertson or Murdoch.

Well... the Danish pictures are offending Muslims, fair enough. But then they go and attack the Danish government itself.

To what extent does a free media exist in the Islamic world? As I understand it, they seem to think the government directly controls the newspaper, which is why they're going nuts everywhere.

I know Iran controls all its newspapers, but what's it like elsewhere in Islamic countries, and how relevant is this to the protests?

What free media in the Arab world? In my opinion, there's no such thing as free media. The USA doesn't have free media either.

Hmm, you've got me thinking now. Maybe we should establish some hardcore El Savator style death squads to rape their women, assasinate their religious leaders, and slaughter anyone who opposes them. If the situation is similar to Latin America, maybe we should use similar tactics to pacify them.

You´re already using death squads.