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I really think this is a good idea, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't benefit america greatly. So if you would help them by getting involved it would really make a great difference if you haven't already.

Unless Powell takes the election, I don't see it happening.
The idea is nice though, although I assume there are various institutes for that sort of thing in the States already. I know there are some in Germany.

Unless Powell takes the election, I don't see it happening.
The idea is nice though, although I assume there are various institutes for that sort of thing in the States already. I know there are some in Germany.



Not in the governement, that is what the department of peace is, a government office.

Bush is unable to implement such a department. The paranoid political fringes would harp non-stop about 1984 parralells.

Bush is unable to implement such a department. The paranoid political fringes would harp non-stop about 1984 parralells.



Don't give up so soon.

I laughed because I thought of the movie, 'Sneakers'. Near the end when Whistler ask for his reward from Jame Earl Jones' character to be, 'Peace on Earth and good will toward men'. And he responded with, "We are the United States Government. We don't do that sort of thing!"

And now I'm laughing again. :)

I laughed because I thought of the movie, 'Sneakers'. Near the end when Whistler ask for his reward from Jame Earl Jones' character to be, 'Peace on Earth and good will toward men'. And he responded with, "We are the United States Government. We don't do that sort of thing!"

And now I'm laughing again. :)



Peace is funny to you?

Peace is funny to you?

Almost everything is funny to me. :)

Sounds like a very good plan; may sound a bit dreamy and uberpositive, but it has potentials, and it can help break the circle of repeating some mistakes of the past. maybe.

It sounds like a waste of taxpayer money. Let's get a bunch of social workers and psychologists together, pay them millions, then give them goals that are ethereal, unmeasureable, and unrealistic.

meh....

too many problems.

1) what happens when the Department of Defense and Department of Peace... (DoD vs DoP) both come up with a solution and the President has to choose?

2) the chance that too many lives may be lost while looking for a "Peaceful Solution" to a situation where there is none.

3) adds more Red Tape to the process

4) too PC for my taste.

5) the Best Peaceful Solution to any given situation is "Give Up"

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I really think this is a good idea, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't benefit america greatly. So if you would help them by getting involved it would really make a great difference if you haven't already.


Anyone else having an Orwellian flashback?

Seeing as there is no way for the current powerful interests to make any money off of this, I am hesitant to believe that this will ever be more than an idea.

Almost everything is funny to me. :)


*high-fives*




The Dept of Peace could have a West-side-Story-type dance battle over international decisions with the Dept of War

In fact, we could combine the Depts of Peace and War, and just solve all overseas stuff with dance fighting!!

1) what happens when the Department of Defense and Department of Peace... (DoD vs DoP) both come up with a solution and the President has to choose?
What's wrong with having a choice? The president has to make choices every day. More options will give him more and likely better choices.


2) the chance that too many lives may be lost while looking for a "Peaceful Solution" to a situation where there is none.
We're not going to wait for the Department of Peace to come up with a solution. If they have one, we'll listen. If not, we're no worse off than we are now.


3) adds more Red Tape to the process
Not really.


5) the Best Peaceful Solution to any given situation is "Give Up"
Not true.

The only negative would be the cost (tax dollars). Since it's only 2% of the defense budget and it could be a great benefit, I think it's a good idea. We need someone who's full-time job is to look for realistic ways to encourage peace in a situation. I'm personally Pro-Bush and Pro-Iraq, but I don't think having someone there all the time coming up with realistic ways to encourage peace too is a bad idea in any way.

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I really think this is a good idea, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't benefit america greatly. So if you would help them by getting involved it would really make a great difference if you haven't already.

OMG!!!!

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I really think this is a good idea, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't benefit america greatly. So if you would help them by getting involved it would really make a great difference if you haven't already.
In principle it sounds like a great idea.

In practice it would become just another prize patronage plumb for rewarding contributors and political hacks. :(

What's wrong with having a choice? The president has to make choices every day. More options will give him more and likely better choices. press and spin docs would have a feild day.

"President Sedar ignores Dept of Peace choice"

"Warmongering President Sedar sides against DoP"

"President Sedar cuts fundings to Peace"

oh and using you as an example, No insult meant. ;)

so would the choice to follow the Dept of Peace advice be out of theirs being the better way, or the President want's a good image?
We're not going to wait for the Department of Peace to come up with a solution. If they have one, we'll listen. If not, we're no worse off than we are now.then why have a Dept of Peace?
Not really.we'll see.
Not true.yes it is. the best way to avoid conflict is to avoid conflict.
The only negative would be the cost (tax dollars). Since it's only 2% of the defense budget and it could be a great benefit, I think it's a good idea. We need someone who's full-time job is to look for realistic ways to encourage peace in a situation. I'm personally Pro-Bush and Pro-Iraq, but I don't think having someone there all the time coming up with realistic ways to encourage peace too is a bad idea in any way.then a section in the DoD should be enough. not a totally new Department.

Sweet...

...so, when do we get the Floating Fortresses?

Sweet...

...so, when do we get the Floating Fortresses?
we have them.... but there is a structual defect, one little prick and they deflate.




And we all know how many pricks there are in Washington as well as in the armed services. :D

Dept. of Peace--why not give peace a chance!

Anyone else having an Orwellian flashback?

Yes.

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I really think this is a good idea, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't benefit america greatly. So if you would help them by getting involved it would really make a great difference if you haven't already.

The only thing I find good about it is the updated list of socialists pretending to be democrats. If you check the list of supporters you will find the "Progressive Caucus" has picked up a couple of supporters since they were busted out by the press as part of the DSA (democratic socialists of america) and working in open partnership with socialists international. Thanks for the update.

Department of Peace?

Honestly, it is so like socialists to add ever more redundant beaurocratic positions and departments.

I believe the "Department of Peace" is called the "Foreign Ministry" or something to that effect depending on where you live, and they have a "diplomatic core" which engages in something called "negotiations" with parties where a disagreement may arise. If these nations fail to meet objectives set by these talks, it may be necessary to act. After all "Si vis Pacem, para bellum!" -Latin saying meaning: "If you want peace, prepare for war!"

The system as it stands works. As sovereign nations, we reserve the right to determine matters of war and peace with other states, in order to achieve the most favourable outcome for our country.

It seems like something that's attempting to copy some of the things the Department of State does.

I just had a Babylon 5 season 3 flashback.

*shudders at the thought of President Clarke*

The government likes to play with semantics. The Defense Department used to be the Department of War. But we all know the US doesn't go to war, we defend ourselves. The State Dept. used to be in charge of peace. But you can see what happens when a man like Powell that wants to do things in peace holds the job.

That isn't even mentioning the Dept. of Justice?, the Patriot? Act, or Tax Reform?

Whenever you see the name on a bill, you can bet it does the opposite of what the title says. Animal Farm is alive and well.

Anyone else having an Orwellian flashback?Absolutely.

Absolutely.
Get over it.

http://www.bundesstiftung-friedensforschung.de/
http://www.ifsh.de/

Anyone else having an Orwellian flashback?

I'm still waiting for a Department of Love...

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I really think this is a good idea, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't benefit america greatly. So if you would help them by getting involved it would really make a great difference if you haven't already.

:eek: isn't this the job of the State Department?

...I assume there are various institutes for that sort of thing in the States already. I know there are some in Germany.

Like this one?

http://www.usip.org (http://www.usip.org)

Ooh, can we call it the Ministry of Peace? Forget that, let's just call it Minipax! :headbang:

Like this one?
Yeah, just like that. Nothing Orwellian about that, I assume.

Ooh, can we call it the Ministry of Peace? Forget that, let's just call it Minipax! :headbang:

And then we can build four enormous buildings -- one for Minipax, one for Minitrue, one for Miniplenty and one for Minilove.

I never said it was perfect, I think it is a decent idea but its scope is way to big.

War is Peace.. isn't that how it goes? *flip through 1984..*

Peace would be a good idea if anyone could decide what peace is besides an absence of war. It's not something to do as much as it is about avoiding things. Not very productive, is it?

Really, the only time this would be an Orwellian problem if we changed the Department of War to the Department of Peace (oh wait, we already did that :p ). I actually see this as a good idea, even if I got the 1984 feeling when I saw the title.

:eek: isn't this the job of the State Department?

Yes, except for the domestic part, which is mostly the responsibility of the several states.

Don't they teach civics anymore? Or is all just self-esteem now?

Yes, except for the domestic part, which is mostly the responsibility of the several states.

Don't they teach civics anymore? Or is all just self-esteem now?

What about the department of the interior?

What about the department of the interior?

That's stuff like the park-service, bureau of land management, and forrestry service. For domestic tranquility, I would imagine the lead role at the federal level is played by the FBI and the federal courts.

I've got a better idea. How about the Department Of Offence?

Every defence needs a good offence and vice versa.

~Satanic Reverend Medivh~

I've got a better idea. How about the Department Of Offence?

Every defence needs a good offence and vice versa.

~Satanic Reverend Medivh~
well, we did have a WAR Department.

I would rather we bring it back... it will at least be honest and it would look better when peaceful solutions come out of the WAR Department.

In principle it sounds like a great idea.

In practice it would become just another prize patronage plumb for rewarding contributors and political hacks. :(

And a tool for providing political cover for 'pacifist' supporters of government war drives, and for finding hypocritically concealed ways of furthering the push toward war.

And a tool for providing political cover for 'pacifist' supporters of government war drives, and for finding hypocritically concealed ways of furthering the push toward war.


Perhaps pacifists pass over pushing up pansies because they are too proud to paint your picture.