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Certainly not with episodes like this...

Full text here:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20060203/ca_pr_on_na/sea_king_crash


Thu Feb 2, 10:15 PM ET

HALIFAX (CP) - Five crew were plucked from the ocean off Denmark on Thursday after a Sea King helicopter crashed while practising night landings on a Canadian destroyer.

A navy official in Halifax said the crewmen were treated on HMCS Athabaskan for "very minor injuries" but were otherwise fine. "Everyone is A-OK," Cmdr. Chris Dickinson said in an interview from the ship. "An exciting evening. The kind we don't want to see."

It wasn't known if the crash was caused by mechanical failure or a mistake by the chopper's pilots as they tried to land on the ship's stern on a dark but clear night.

Dickinson said the Sea King tried initially to land on the warship, but flew off to try again. It was making a second pass when it went suddenly into the water.

The crew was able to get out of the aircraft "within seconds" and were being examined by doctors on the ship within 10 minutes of the crash.

Dickinson said the Sea King flipped onto its back in the water, stayed afloat for a few moments, then sank to the bottom.

"At this point we don't know why the incident occurred, but we will be investigating," said Lieut. Sonia Connock, a navy spokesperson in Halifax.

The crash occurred about 50 kilometres off the eastern coast of Denmark while the Halifax-based destroyer was deployed with a NATO fleet.

As soon as I read it, I started laughing. It's amazing how many of these things keep failing. I remember the Sea King that crashed on its way to East Timor, as well as its alternate (and both just off the Canadian coast).

The good part with this is that no one go hurt and everyone is OK, but the bad part is that this is simply more bad press for the beleaguered Canadian Military. All I can really say is that I'm happy the US are our allies or else I cringe at the thought of how we'd respond to an invasion.

What are your thoughts?

Certainly not with episodes like this...

Full text here:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20060203/ca_pr_on_na/sea_king_crash



As soon as I read it, I started laughing. It's amazing how many of these things keep failing. I remember the Sea King that crashed on its way to East Timor, as well as its alternate (and both just off the Canadian coast).

The good part with this is that no one go hurt and everyone is OK, but the bad part is that this is simply more bad press for the beleaguered Canadian Military. All I can really say is that I'm happy the US are our allies or else I cringe at the thought of how we'd respond to an invasion.

What are your thoughts?

An invasion of Canada? LOL whatever. Not unless Canada gets snippy about the sovereignty of their arctic waters, in which case the US might do it.

An invasion of Canada? LOL whatever. Not unless Canada gets snippy about the sovereignty of their arctic waters, in which case the US might do it.

Certainly episodes like this one don't go very far in showing the world that we should be taken seriously- if our military displays all the adeptness of a doorknob, who cares what we think or do? Everyone else can just push us around, since we'll be incapable of responding.

Not that I think Canada needs to be made into a military superpower...we're quite comfortable with our peacekeeping role, really. I just think we need to have a military we can be proud of, and that means one that has functioning vehicles.

The odd aviation accident is nothing to be ashamed of, if you ever read the inccident reports in magazines like AirForces Monthly or Air international then you will see that msot air forces lose the odd aircraft and out of all the world wide loses each month about 60% (not a hard and fast figure just basing off memory so it could be totally false) are American (spread across all branches of the armed froces) with an average month bringing about 1-3 serious incidents (ie aircraft write offs/destruction) and another 4-10 non serious.

Aviation essepcailly military aviation brings risks of both manchanical failure and pilot error.

The odd aviation accident is nothing to be ashamed of, if you ever read the inccident reports in magazines like AirForces Monthly or Air international then you will see that msot air forces lose the odd aircraft and out of all the world wide loses each month about 60% (not a hard and fast figure just basing off memory so it could be totally false) are American (spread across all branches of the armed froces) with an average month bringing about 1-3 serious incidents (ie aircraft write offs/destruction) and another 4-10 non serious.

Aviation essepcailly military aviation brings risks of both manchanical failure and pilot error.

Canada only started with 50 Sea Kings, and with this crash its fleet is reduced to 27, and none of the recent deployments have amounted to anything more than a crash. They're so unreliable that it underscores the perception that our military is a joke, especially considering these Sea Kings are supposed to be our flagships. Sure, the US may lose more, but the US Military doesn't rely on faulty equipment like we do and their vehicles can do more than just crash like the Sea Kings can.

(I'll also quote this from the original article:

"The accident is the latest in a long string of problems for the Sea Kings, the navy's geriatric workhorses which were purchased in the 1960s.

The federal government is buying 28 Cyclones to replace the Sea King fleet, but the first aircraft won't be delivered until late 2008 and operations won't begin for another year. The last Sea King is expected to retire in 2011.

In 1993, the newly elected Liberal government of Jean Chretien cancelled an order that would have replaced the Sea Kings by 2000, saying it was too expensive.

Canada's fleet of Sea Kings have been involved in four fatal crashes that have claimed at least 10 lives over the years. They require about 30 hours of maintenance for every hour of flying time.

Only 27 of the original fleet of 50 Sea Kings remain after this crash.

The accident off Denmark mirrors one off Halifax in September 2004. A Sea King was practising landings on the deck of HMCS Iroquois when there was an imbalance in the amount of power the engines were producing.")

To be honest the Seaking has never struck me as a particualrly unreliable aircraft, but then i'm british and we have enough problems with the rest of our helos, like brand new apaches sitting in stroage becuase the MoD messed up the training subcontracting or brand new spec ops Chinooks that can't actually be safely flown at all becuase thier instruments don't work, plus the on going problems with the lynx and puma fleets.

I wouldn't worry about the canadian military being thought of as a joke, it does what it needs to do and like all the other western antions is in a period of change. Oh and i wouldn't be too sure about the US not using old/faulty equipment, its just they tend not to talk about thier equipment issues and bury them under the sheer amount of stuff they operate where as the canandians and brits moan about thier apparent failings all the time.

To be honest the Seaking has never struck me as a particualrly unreliable aircraft, but then i'm british and we have enough problems with the rest of our helos, like brand new apaches sitting in stroage becuase the MoD messed up the training subcontracting or brand new spec ops Chinooks that can't actually be safely flown at all becuase thier instruments don't work, plus the on going problems with the lynx and puma fleets.

I wouldn't worry about the canadian military being thought of as a joke, it does what it needs to do and like all the other western antions is in a period of change. Oh and i wouldn't be too sure about the US not using old/faulty equipment, its just they tend not to talk about thier equipment issues and bury them under the sheer amount of stuff they operate where as the canandians and brits moan about thier apparent failings all the time.

It may be part media- we've got to trumpet the whole "inferiority complex" thing especially considering that we're so close to the United States and that Stephen Harper- our new Prime Minister- ran on a platform that included military reform.

Though these Sea Kings are still nothing more than an embarassment, really.

An invasion of Canada? LOL whatever. Not unless Canada gets snippy about the sovereignty of their arctic waters, in which case the US might do it.

Or Denmark... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Island

Though these Sea Kings are still nothing more than an embarassment, really.

Canada is an embarassment, and I live in that winter wasteland

Of course, you know we're just doing shit like this to lull everyone into a false sense of security.

Canada is not an embarassment we have the best piolets in the world

Canada is not an embarassment we have the best piolets in the world


(Do u mean pilot? or is it some sort of Quebecois word?)

All tremble at the red and the white
For Canada we go off to fight
With hockey sticks grasped in our hands
We march forward, onto distant lands
For Canada we stand tried and true
Defenders of the Yukon me and you
We are the proud and the few
Onward we fight
With all our fight
Towards America!


All Hail the Imperial Army of Canada!

People forget that British Canadians at one time staged a counter offensive against America and won. They even burned down the White House(it was the war of 1812 BTW)

All Hail the Imperial Army of Canada!

the canadian world domination league (http://cwd.ptbcanadian.com/)

(needless to say, this is a humor site...)

The Sea Kings DO need to be replaced. I don't think many of us think otherwise.

On the whole though, our military personnel are exceedingly capable and well-trained - it's the age of the more expensive equipment (and the fact we keep buying busted submarines from the Brits, but that's another story) that is the problem.

"An exciting evening. The kind we don't want to see."

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!! :D That's my quote of the hour.

To be honest the Seaking has never struck me as a particualrly unreliable aircraft, but then i'm british and we have enough problems with the rest of our helos, like brand new apaches sitting in stroage becuase the MoD messed up the training subcontracting or brand new spec ops Chinooks that can't actually be safely flown at all becuase thier instruments don't work, plus the on going problems with the lynx and puma fleets.

I wouldn't worry about the canadian military being thought of as a joke, it does what it needs to do and like all the other western antions is in a period of change. Oh and i wouldn't be too sure about the US not using old/faulty equipment, its just they tend not to talk about thier equipment issues and bury them under the sheer amount of stuff they operate where as the canandians and brits moan about thier apparent failings all the time.
Didn't we buy some submarines from you guys that turned out to be less then seaworthy?:)

Didn't we buy some submarines from you guys that turned out to be less then seaworthy?:)

U mean the one that had a fire and one guy died? And the rest are being repaired?

cuz that was a stupid buy by Canada

Certainly not with episodes like this...

Full text here:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20060203/ca_pr_on_na/sea_king_crash



As soon as I read it, I started laughing. It's amazing how many of these things keep failing. I remember the Sea King that crashed on its way to East Timor, as well as its alternate (and both just off the Canadian coast).

The good part with this is that no one go hurt and everyone is OK, but the bad part is that this is simply more bad press for the beleaguered Canadian Military. All I can really say is that I'm happy the US are our allies or else I cringe at the thought of how we'd respond to an invasion.

What are your thoughts?
Why does Canada even have a military?

Why does Canada even have a military?Because we traditionally do more peacekeeping than any other country?

People forget that British Canadians at one time staged a counter offensive against America and won. They even burned down the White House(it was the war of 1812 BTW)

Prior to that, we invaded Quebec and got our asses handed to us by Canadian forces mostly made of militia.

The Sea Kings DO need to be replaced. I don't think many of us think otherwise.

On the whole though, our military personnel are exceedingly capable and well-trained - it's the age of the more expensive equipment (and the fact we keep buying busted submarines from the Brits, but that's another story) that is the problem.

Don't doubt the training really- if it really stunk, then we wouldn't be allowed in all those peacekeeping missions in the first place. I believe it's more the Ministry of Defence that doesn't know what it's doing- who else is buying all this terrible equipment?

Speaking of the subs...isn't it true one of them is in the West Edmonton Mall? *sigh* At least it's being put to good use.

the canadian domination league (http://cwd.ptbcanadian.com/)

That site rocks! Though I wonder how they'll do it with the Sea Kings...

Why does Canada even have a military?

...because it then enables them to go to war with Nazi and fascist scum two years earlier than the johnny-come-lately that shares its southern border?

Certainly episodes like this one don't go very far in showing the world that we should be taken seriously- if our military displays all the adeptness of a doorknob, who cares what we think or do? Everyone else can just push us around, since we'll be incapable of responding.

Not that I think Canada needs to be made into a military superpower...we're quite comfortable with our peacekeeping role, really. I just think we need to have a military we can be proud of, and that means one that has functioning vehicles.

I think Canadians need to realize that peacekeeping is not the main job of the military.

I think Canadians need to realize that peacekeeping is not the main job of the military.
For some countries today, it is.

Canada is in NATO. There will be no more giant conflicts for many decades to come. Every conceivable war in which Canada may fight, it will fight alongside NATO Allies, primarily the US. The US already has enough weaponry to blow anyone several times over - why duplicate?

Peacekeeping is even more important than winning quickly these days. As we have seen in Iraq, winning is one thing - actually being successful is a different matter entirely, and I think it makes sense for countries to specialise in that. And as we have seen in Afghanistan, Canada does a good job at it.

I think Canadians need to realize that peacekeeping is not the main job of the military.
I hope you realize that the main role of the military is whatever the Canadian people decide they want that role to be.

Me, I'd like to put them to work planting trees and removing invasive vegetation. That, and patrolling the US border looking for American weapons smugglers.

I think Canadians need to realize that peacekeeping is not the main job of the military.

What, prey tell, is the main job of the military?

What, prey tell, is the main job of the military?

To kill people and blow things up. By people, I do mean whoever the enemy is at the time.

I'm in favour of peacekeeping, just don't make it the only job the military can do. Just look back at history, best to have a military that is prepared for anything.

I hope you realize that the main role of the military is whatever the Canadian people decide they want that role to be.

Me, I'd like to put them to work planting trees and removing invasive vegetation. That, and patrolling the US border looking for American weapons smugglers.

That is not the military's job, it would be a waste of time for the military to do that. Patrolling the border is the RCMPs job. Planting trees and removing invasive vegetation? LOL

For some countries today, it is.

Peacekeeping is even more important than winning quickly these days. As we have seen in Iraq, winning is one thing - actually being successful is a different matter entirely, and I think it makes sense for countries to specialise in that. And as we have seen in Afghanistan, Canada does a good job at it.

Indeed. I think it was Aristotle (Aris-friggin-stotle!) that observed, "It is not enough to win a war. It is more important to organize the peace." What do we need to blow people up for? Who'll invade us? We can focus on discharging our moral duty.

Jokes aside, I'd also like to note that Canada has some of the best trained soldiers on the planet. We really do kick ass-imagine if the military was sufficiently funded! What we need more than choppers is more heavy transport, and preferably a government able to grow a pair.

It's great that this Sea King crashed, by the way. The government hasn't been willing to just scrap them, so this is the only way to get rid of the damn things.

I'm in favour of peacekeeping, just don't make it the only job the military can do. Just look back at history, best to have a military that is prepared for anything.
I agree wholeheartedly. I'd like a military capable of building rail bridges and repairing downed transmission lines. Who can also peacekeep.

I don't want to encourage pyromaniacs and other deviant personalities into trying to join up.

Certainly not with episodes like this...

Full text here:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20060203/ca_pr_on_na/sea_king_crash



As soon as I read it, I started laughing. It's amazing how many of these things keep failing. I remember the Sea King that crashed on its way to East Timor, as well as its alternate (and both just off the Canadian coast).

The good part with this is that no one go hurt and everyone is OK, but the bad part is that this is simply more bad press for the beleaguered Canadian Military. All I can really say is that I'm happy the US are our allies or else I cringe at the thought of how we'd respond to an invasion.

What are your thoughts?

Holy shit! Am I actually reading someone who is thankfull of the United States of America? I'd like to thank you, I mean that sincerley.

To kill people and blow things up. By people, I do mean whoever the enemy is at the time.


By which you mean to neutralise the enemy by whatever means are appropriate?

Am I actually reading someone who is thankfull of the United States of America?
Maybe he's just really grateful for those neat helicopters you sold them...:D

All tremble at the red and the white
For Canada we go off to fight
With hockey sticks grasped in our hands
We march forward, onto distant lands
For Canada we stand tried and true
Defenders of the Yukon me and you
We are the proud and the few
Onward we fight
With all our fight
Towards America!


All Hail the Imperial Army of Canada!

ah yes..the imperial canadien army.

all us americans need to do to defeat you is..hand you a molson or a labatts.
or say...look...ice skates..or wanna play hockey or check out some porn?
then sneak you...lol

i kid..i love canada

Franberry get out of Canada if you hate it so much.

They probably don't want you in it.

Canada is an embarassment, and I live in that winter wasteland
In WW 2, Canada had a population of 11,000,000 and an armed force over over 1,000,000.

At the end of WW 2, Canada had the third largest fleet in the world.

When Canada was needed, Canadians responded in a timely manner.

There is no need to sell Canada short. There are no major wars going on and we have many, many allies.

Doth anyone dare challenge?

..I challenge thee to a duel..

It'd be funny if all of a sudden Canada released a million Voltrons to crush every single person who ever mocked Canada who is not from and/or living in Canada.



Most of the world would be screwed, but it'd be funny anyway.

It'd be funny if all of a sudden Canada released a million Voltrons to crush every single person who ever mocked Canada who is not from and/or living in Canada. Most of the world would be screwed, but it'd be funny anyway.

Canada sux.

Canada sux.
Is that what they taught you at Brainwashed Central? :D

Canada sux.

The irony:p

Holy shit! Am I actually reading someone who is thankfull of the United States of America? I'd like to thank you, I mean that sincerley.

You're welcome. I'm not a fan of everything the United States does, but at least I know that if it wasn't for them we'd be nowhere. Though I'm beginning to wonder if that line of thought is hindering us more than helping us.

Jokes aside, I'd also like to note that Canada has some of the best trained soldiers on the planet. We really do kick ass-imagine if the military was sufficiently funded! What we need more than choppers is more heavy transport, and preferably a government able to grow a pair.

It's great that this Sea King crashed, by the way. The government hasn't been willing to just scrap them, so this is the only way to get rid of the damn things.

It's quite an expensive dump, and sad the Sea Kings have to end their careers like this. Maybe the Cyclones will come in quicker now if we lose the Sea Kings. Hmmnnn....

Pot can chellenge them. (This shameless thread revival brought to you by boredom (TM))

Who will challenge the Canadian military? I have two nieces and a nephew who might need to be entertained some weekend.:D

*Just joking.*

Certainly not with episodes like this...

Full text here:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20060203/ca_pr_on_na/sea_king_crash



As soon as I read it, I started laughing. It's amazing how many of these things keep failing. I remember the Sea King that crashed on its way to East Timor, as well as its alternate (and both just off the Canadian coast).

The good part with this is that no one go hurt and everyone is OK, but the bad part is that this is simply more bad press for the beleaguered Canadian Military. All I can really say is that I'm happy the US are our allies or else I cringe at the thought of how we'd respond to an invasion.

What are your thoughts?

As I too live in Ontario Canada, Ottawa to be exact. My opinion is some what measured. Canada really has no need for a large military as no one seems to have a beef with us.

On the other hand if our government (military) is going to keep fighting the US battle in Afghanistan for them so they can basically leave it to Canada and other NATO members so they can stay in the fiasco that is Iraq (A fight I might add that is not ours) then I suppose we better try to bankrupt our country too to fight wars that are neither ours or a threat to Canada.

I don't believe any of these people attacked Canada! Mind you, if we keep "Bush-lite" Harper in power, I'm sure it won't be long before we do get attacked!

Sea Kings falling out the sky? Time to replace them - they are old.

An Australian one crashed in East Timor
http://www.ada.asn.au/latest_comment_files/Comment%20-%20Sea%20King%20Crash%20in%20Nias.htm

Cause - faulty repair of steering column!

As I too live in Ontario Canada, Ottawa to be exact. My opinion is some what measured. Canada really has no need for a large military as no one seems to have a beef with us.

On the other hand if our government (military) is going to keep fighting the US battle in Afghanistan for them so they can basically leave it to Canada and other NATO members so they can stay in the fiasco that is Iraq (A fight I might add that is not ours) then I suppose we better try to bankrupt our country too to fight wars that are neither ours or a threat to Canada.

I don't believe any of these people attacked Canada! Mind you, if we keep "Bush-lite" Harper in power, I'm sure it won't be long before we do get attacked!

Maybe you could ask all those Americans who said they were moving to Canada because of Bush to volunteer to help. Hell, I like Canada. If you all had a foriegn legion I might join. Nah, I'm too old.

Certainly episodes like this one don't go very far in showing the world that we should be taken seriously- if our military displays all the adeptness of a doorknob, who cares what we think or do? Everyone else can just push us around, since we'll be incapable of responding.

Not that I think Canada needs to be made into a military superpower...we're quite comfortable with our peacekeeping role, really. I just think we need to have a military we can be proud of, and that means one that has functioning vehicles.

Nice … most people would want better equipment for better safety of the troops and a more efficient military organization

You have managed to turn it into a dick waving contest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOCuTdB_jAk

Canada doesn't need army,it has Harper,and co
Nederland does have Jan van de Balk ,en france will get A social,liberal banker winner,
A women or a man,either.

that is not the case with the military in canada, so i'm off topic

Prior to that, we invaded "Insert Country Here" and got our asses handed to us by "Said Countries" forces mostly made of militia.
Fixed it for you to encompass a much larger range of American wars.


(Not an Anti-American comment, just a friendly joke in a thread joking about (lack of) military prowess)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOCuTdB_jAk

Great clip! I've always loved Carlin!

Great clip! I've always loved Carlin!

:) I had just got that video at home when I read this
Always nice to have a funny relevent clip on hand :)

The helicopter the President flies on is a Sea King. Though a very well maintained one.

I've always wanted my own airplane (and helicopter) graveyeard, so here's my offer to the Canadian military. I'll give Canada $10 US for each Sea King they want to get rid of, and in return, I'll stop saying things like, "eh?" and "aboot". :D

The Sea Kings DO need to be replaced. I don't think many of us think otherwise.

On the whole though, our military personnel are exceedingly capable and well-trained - it's the age of the more expensive equipment (and the fact we keep buying busted submarines from the Brits, but that's another story) that is the problem.
That's right!

To all your Birts: Yau are going to have to face a difficult decision soon: Cake or Death?

All tremble at the red and the white
For Canada we go off to fight
With hockey sticks grasped in our hands
We march forward, onto distant lands
For Canada we stand tried and true
Defenders of the Yukon me and you
We are the proud and the few
Onward we fight
With all our fight
Towards America!


All Hail the Imperial Army of Canada!
God Bless Paul Martin! Devine Impereal Minister for Life!

I hope you realize that the main role of the military is whatever the Canadian people decide they want that role to be.

Me, I'd like to put them to work planting trees and removing invasive vegetation. That, and patrolling the US border looking for American weapons smugglers.
I'd have them deport all the Mexicans...




into Oregon State!

The US navy and Marine Corps operate Sea Kings, and they have lost them in non combat crashes as well. They are certainly not easy to fly and difficult to land on a moving helipad in the wind and waves at sea.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4916462492869542294

The story you posted doesn't really point out anything wrong with the Canadian Military.

People forget that British Canadians at one time staged a counter offensive against America and won. They even burned down the White House(it was the war of 1812 BTW)

Canadian colonials did indeed stage successful counterattacks to U.S. operations, which was the main reason why the end of the war resulted in essentially no change in territorial possessions.

Your entirely mistaken, however, if you are claiming that Canadian colonial forces made it anywhere near D.C. Those forces were entirely British, sent over from Europe, and included no Canadian forces.

Did you think the Canadians marched all the way across New York and Pennsylvania? I somehow doubt that would have worked. :p

Canada has it's own version of Thunderbirds. Daft, or dart, or something.

I really hope it is more than the American in me that cannot pronounce-or thinks impractible- the name of your boat.

The hms :confused: ...

Btw this is old but I loves it. Satirical news-story by satirewire


http://www.satirewire.com/news/feb02/warship.shtml

"Canada Warship Seizes Tanker in Arabian Sea" -- Reuters, Feb. 8, 2002

CANADIAN WARSHIP SEIZES TANKER IN... WAIT...
CANADA HAS A WARSHIP?
Oh Right, and Switzerland Has Nuclear Weapons

Arabian Sea (SatireWire.com) — Canadian television reported Friday that a Canadian warship in the Arabian Sea had seized a tanker suspected of smuggling oil from Iraq, leading many to suspect that the report was a hoax.

"You're kidding, right? Canada has a warship?" asked U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. "Like for war?

"Does Canada know?" he added.

"Nobody was more stunned than we were," said Kali Omari, first mate of the seized vessel. "We saw this frigate steaming toward us, and we were worried, but then we saw the maple leaf on the flag, and we thought, 'Oh, Canadians. What the hell do they want?'"

When an officer of the HMCS Vancouver announced that the tanker was about to be boarded, the crew of the detained ship was confused, said Omari, but their confusion quickly turned to anger when they saw what the Canadians sailors were carrying.

"They were armed. With guns," said Omari. "Canadians. With guns. And a warship. What is this world coming to?"

"They were pretty rude, too," Omari added. "They started asking us all sorts of questions, like 'Where did that oil come from?' But first we wanted to know who gave them the damn warship."

According to Canadian defense officials, the Vancouver is one of four frigates deployed in the region to assist in the U.S.-led Afghanistan conflict. The tanker was stopped, officials said, because its cargo of crude oil violated United Nations sanctions, which prohibit Iraq from selling oil unless in exchange for food and medicine.

The U.N. said the incident is already under investigation, and promised swift action against those found responsible for giving the Canadians guns. Initial findings indicate that the Vancouver crew may have been watching too many American television shows.

Canada has it's own version of Thunderbirds. Daft, or dart, or something.


Yes, they are called the "Snowbirds" and they have won more in air shows and other such competitions against the "Thunderbirds" then not. Where do you think all of the NASA scientists came from? After they scrapped the Arrow.. the most advanced plane to be built in it's time. Yet the P.M. of Canada (conservative party) buckled under US interests and sold Canada a bill of goods to join NORAD and in turn Canada destroyed every Arrow. Canada was coined by FDR during WWII called Canada the "Aerodrome Of Freedom" because Canadian pilots trained more American and UK pilots than any other country.

Not sure where I was going with that..lol But yes, Canada does have the "Snowbirds"

Your entirely mistaken, however, if you are claiming that Canadian colonial forces made it anywhere near D.C. Those forces were entirely British, sent over from Europe, and included no Canadian forces.


Semantics!

Semantics!

Historical facts!

Doth anyone dare challenge the Canadian Military?
Harlesburg, myself, a small kitten and the :gundge: would like to challenge the entire canadian military to a death match. Winner gets to keep the other teams left socks.

Harlesburg, myself, a small kitten and the :gundge: would like to challenge the entire canadian military to a death match. Winner gets to keep the other teams left socks.
Do you request burial before sunset, or will anytime do? :p

Do you request burial before sunset, or will anytime do? :p

Any time will do, except for the kitten, who request that she be burried before sunset.

Any time will do, except for the kitten, who request that she be burried before sunset.
We were going to spare the kitten. :D

We were going to spare the kitten. :D

Damn.

Just replace the Sea King with the new NH90 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NH-90), like Australia is doing. Then wait until those start crashing. :D

Just replace the Sea King with the new NH90 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NH-90), like Australia is doing. Then wait until those start crashing. :D

Hey, we crash all of our aircraft & even our ships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAS_Melbourne_%281945%29). There's no need to descriminate. :p

An invasion of Canada? LOL whatever. Not unless Canada gets snippy about the sovereignty of their arctic waters, in which case the US might do it.

Anyone remembers Michael Moore's "Canadian Bacon"?:D

Ok, Italy challenges Canada at "who makes the best pale lager beer". This is the REAL issue!

The US navy and Marine Corps operate Sea Kings, and they have lost them in non combat crashes as well. They are certainly not easy to fly and difficult to land on a moving helipad in the wind and waves at sea.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4916462492869542294

The story you posted doesn't really point out anything wrong with the Canadian Military.

Yes, but the Americans don't use the Sea Kings as their flagships, nor have they lost almost half of them to accidents. This story is more about poor Canadian military decisions in relying on troubled and outdated equipment than it is about the Sea Kings themselves.

We were going to spare the kitten. :D

Yeah, because Dalton McGuinty's going to eat it. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_reptilian_kitten_eater_from_another_planet) :p

Yes, they are called the "Snowbirds" and they have won more in air shows and other such competitions against the "Thunderbirds" then not. Where do you think all of the NASA scientists came from? After they scrapped the Arrow.. the most advanced plane to be built in it's time. Yet the P.M. of Canada (conservative party) buckled under US interests and sold Canada a bill of goods to join NORAD and in turn Canada destroyed every Arrow. Canada was coined by FDR during WWII called Canada the "Aerodrome Of Freedom" because Canadian pilots trained more American and UK pilots than any other country.

Not sure where I was going with that..lol But yes, Canada does have the "Snowbirds"

No, NASA scientists came from Nazi Germany. It's a well know fact.

An invasion of Canada? LOL whatever. Not unless Canada gets snippy about the sovereignty of their arctic waters, in which case the US might do it.

Watch those tar sands. :) I'd keep an eye on them. There are countries who may not like the fact that most of the oil from them will be sold to the US. :)

Didn't we recently order new choppers, or was that just the trucks?

In any case, as much as I disagree with some of harper's policies, his support for the military is welcome. Though the Sea King has served Canada for many years, it's time it's put out to pasture.

Our military has dedicated soldiers, an admirable purpose of peace-keeping, and a country very worth defending. If only we had the equipment to match our spirit, we'd be one of foremost superpowers.

An invasion of Canada? LOL whatever. Not unless Canada gets snippy about the sovereignty of their arctic waters, in which case the US might do it.
Harper's been pushing that agenda when he's not busy kissing Dubya's scrawny ass.

Didn't we recently order new choppers, or was that just the trucks?

I believe we've now ordered the Cyclones- but I think it's just 14 for now, I'm not sure.

I believe we've now ordered the Cyclones- but I think it's just 14 for now, I'm not sure.
"Still new"... sooo used by the British?

"Still new"... sooo used by the British?

Nope, they're being developed just for us! :D

http://www.sikorsky.com/details/0,,cli1_div69_eti2282,00+en-uss_0fsbc.html

Why does Canada even have a military?
Given the current strength and capabilities of that military, that's a good question.

Why does Canada need a military? I can think of two good reasons.

1. Patrol and defend our sovereign territory, like our arctic archipelago. All those islands are Canadian territory, and thus each projects a territorial sea at least 12 nautical miles, and claims an exclusive economic zone up to 200 nautical miles or to the edge of the continental shelf. But that doesn't mean squat if we're not up there enforcing it. We've already attacked both Spanish and Portuguese vessels defending the continental shelf off Newfoundland.

2. Leverage our military power for economic gain. The most notable example of this was the AutoPact. In exchange for military aid, Canada secured the AutoPact from the US, which for 40 years allowed cars manufactured in Canada to be considered as US made for the purposes of the assignation of tariffs and free movement across the border. For decades, many thousands of American cars sold in America as American made were in fact manufactured in Canada, and that never would have happened had we not had a competent military.

This is total gravedigging - even the original Yahoo! news article in the OP has expired.

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Write your own frickin' threads, people. This isn't just lame - it's necro-lame.

No, NASA scientists came from Nazi Germany. It's a well know fact.

You mistake the nuclear race with NASA. That is not to say that some Germans do not exist in the space program. But look it up, 95% of the scientists that worked on and made the Arrow ended up with sweet contracts in the NASA program.

Canada has a larger role in the US space program than any other country in the world.

Lets face it, the shuttle would just be a flying machine without the Canadian arm!

I'm pretty sure Wernher von Braun wasn't canadian.

Still you raise a good point about the shuttle. Judging by its performance canada did the right thing when it cancelled the arrow. Obviously we need to get back to hiring ex-nazis.

I'm pretty sure Wernher von Braun wasn't canadian.

Still you raise a good point about the shuttle. Judging by its performance canada did the right thing when it cancelled the arrow. Obviously we need to get back to hiring ex-nazis.

Aye, the Saturn V used what is essentially a large version of the engine that the Germans used on the V-2, and, amusingly enough, so is the Orion Crewed Exploration Vehicle.

Same rocket, with a shinier coat of paint.

I think this thread is a good time to dust off this old chestnut. (http://www.satirewire.com/news/feb02/warship.shtml)


Actually, a fair bit of that site is still surprisingly topical.

To those of you who believe the Canadian military is a joke I point you to three different videos. They are recordings of combat footage by a semi-freelance journalist embedded into a Canadian infantry unit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_S9P1kMNuM&NR - dawn raid of a taliban compound

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2r3C0PJ1LM&mode=user&search= firefight against taliban insurgents (some of you may note that in this an American soldier makes an appearence, he is simply an observer for the Afghan army unit training alongside the Canadian soldiers)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaC-w2dIxZc&mode=user&search= - Canadian forces ambushed

The Canadian forces have in the past always gained the reputation of being a well trained, disciplined, determined, and couragous fighting force. In World War 1 it was the Canadian that broke the stalemate at Vimy Ridge, and it was the Candians there held the lines during the first German gas attacks. In WW2 we were given our own beach during D-Day, during which we completeed more objectives and advanced further inland than any other British or American force. 6000 Canadians died at the ill-fated Dieppe raid, the precursor to D-Day. Canadians liberated the Netherlands where the fallen Canadian soldiers are still honoured to this very day.

We may be small, we may not have the best funding, but we are a tough, determined force to be reckoned with.

Harlesburg, myself, a small kitten and the :gundge: would like to challenge the entire canadian military to a death match. Winner gets to keep the other teams left socks.
I hate that the search function doesn't work as well as it used to. :(