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So, I answer the phone tonight and it's a parent from my daughter's dance class who is calling me

"Will K. be in class tomorrow?"
"yes, Kathryn will be in class"
"okay..........what is that in the background?"
"The Wall"
"what?"
"Pink Floyd, The Wall"
"who is listening to that crap?"
"it's not crap, and Kathryn is, she is having trouble sleeping, it's like her lullaby"
"you are one seriously screwed up mom"

then I will spare you the 30 minute lecture, but I can tell you I got very defensive and ended up pointing out her parenting flaws, and telling her not to call my house again.........anyway, I have to take Kathryn to Ballet tomorrow, so two questions

A) how do I deal with the lady whom I "offended" this evening?
B) what is the diplomatic way to deal with idiots who think it's their job to get into your business univited, and how should I deal with their unwanted advice?

If she doesn't like Pink Floyd and she's insulting you, go kill her.


As for the other, the only diplomatic way to deal with idiocy is to ignore it.

ask her what her daughtler listens to them mock her relentlessly. Mothers that do what *she* did are worth no effort and even less time trying to be diplomatic with. My mother had to deal with one of those in her Girl Scout troop (my mother was the leader this other mother was one of the girl's parents). The way it turns out is that no matter what you do, they will try and find some sort of flaw with it, thats just how they act. The only way to get rid of them is to either ignore them or mock them endlessly.

Have your daughter distract her while you sneak up behind her and attack her with a chair. If there is one thing I've learned from life its that if it works in wrestling it will work anywhere. This is sarcastic by the way.

Whoa, that is making me angry just reading it. The bitch.



Um, sorry, no idea how to deal with her, though.

This is why 'white lies' were invented.

"Will K. be in class tomorrow?"
"yes, Kathryn will be in class"
"okay..........what is that in the background?"
"What noise?"
"what? That noise!"
"I don't hear anything"
"That noise in the background, what is it?"
"Your phone's broken. I am going to hang up now. Bye!"

Plant heroin in her daughter's bookbag, tip off the police, and then promptly let the mother know how bad her parenting is.

A) how do I deal with the lady whom I "offended" this evening?
B) what is the diplomatic way to deal with idiots who think it's their job to get into your business univited, and how should I deal with their unwanted advice?
short answer? bitch smack them.


long answer? bitch smack them hard.


honestly, don't bother with the woman who you "offended". She was an idiot. She deserved to be offended. And if people offer you advice, then just tell them that your way has seemed to work so far, and ignore them. your kids are about 3000x more well off than most, and are damn smart, so maybe listening to the wall has something to do with that.;)

So, I answer the phone tonight and it's a parent from my daughter's dance class who is calling me

"Will K. be in class tomorrow?"
"yes, Kathryn will be in class"
"okay..........what is that in the background?"
"The Wall"
"what?"
"Pink Floyd, The Wall"
"who is listening to that crap?"
"it's not crap, and Kathryn is, she is having trouble sleeping, it's like her lullaby"
"you are one seriously screwed up mom"

then I will spare you the 30 minute lecture, but I can tell you I got very defensive and ended up pointing out her parenting flaws, and telling her not to call my house again.........anyway, I have to take Kathryn to Ballet tomorrow, so two questions

A) how do I deal with the lady whom I "offended" this evening?
B) what is the diplomatic way to deal with idiots who think it's their job to get into your business univited, and how should I deal with their unwanted advice?

Report her immediately to SRS because you saw hundreds of flea bites on her childs legs, before she reports you to the police for dealing crack in a drug free zone!
(J/K)

Keep a very close eye on this individual and have no communications with her without a witness or recording the conversation. These people are thicker than peanut butter and there is just no way to know exactly what they are up too.

she called back and appologized (or that's what she called it)

"I am sorry if I made you feel bad, but I just can't stand mom's who let thier kids listen to this "secular music" half the time they don't even know what's in it, and you know it's rotting her brain, I am going to buy her a Wiggle's CD and see if we can help you get her off this "rock music" kick she is on"

to which I replied that I know exactly what is "in the music" and that I censor her enough already and that I grew up listening to Black Sabbath, and the Ramones, and that my brain is not fully rotted so I think the kid will live, and I caught her listening to the Beach Boys the other day so if she thinks she is keeping her kid "musically pure" she may need to pull up some of those lyrics........
"We always take my car cause it's never been beat
And we've never missed yet with the girls we meet

None of the guys go steady cause it wouldn't be right
To leave their best girl home now on Saturday night"

oh, yeah that's wholesome............


*I have nothing against the Beach Boys I rather like them, but I could use it against her so I did...........

really people this is getting way too junior high for me........HELP!!!!!!!

So, I answer the phone tonight and it's a parent from my daughter's dance class who is calling me

"Will K. be in class tomorrow?"
"yes, Kathryn will be in class"
"okay..........what is that in the background?"
"The Wall"
"what?"
"Pink Floyd, The Wall"
"who is listening to that crap?"
"it's not crap, and Kathryn is, she is having trouble sleeping, it's like her lullaby"
"you are one seriously screwed up mom"

then I will spare you the 30 minute lecture, but I can tell you I got very defensive and ended up pointing out her parenting flaws, and telling her not to call my house again.........anyway, I have to take Kathryn to Ballet tomorrow, so two questions

A) how do I deal with the lady whom I "offended" this evening?
B) what is the diplomatic way to deal with idiots who think it's their job to get into your business univited, and how should I deal with their unwanted advice?

As soon as she asked what was in the background playing, I would've known she was being nozey(sp?).

A) Don't "deal" with her. Treat her as you do anyone else.
B) Tell them to mind their own business. If they were buzy minding their own, they wouldn't have time at the attemt to mind others.

I'm pretty blunt, but in a nice way. In person. Online , I come across a bit harsh. :)

One Word.. BuzyBody. Or is that two words.. meh

"I am sorry if I made you feel bad, but I just can't stand mom's who let thier kids listen to this "secular music" half the time they don't even know what's in it, and you know it's rotting her brain, I am going to buy her a Wiggle's CD and see if we can help you get her off this "rock music" kick she is on"


Well then that's your problem. The woman is clinically insane.

And don't get me started on the Wiggles.

to which I replied that I know exactly what is "in the music" and that I censor her enough already and that I grew up listening to Black Sabbath, and the Ramones, and that my brain is not fully rotted so I think the kid will live, and I caught her listening to the Beach Boys the other day so if she thinks she is keeping her kid "musically pure" she may need to pull up some of those lyrics........

so it's only partially rotted;)

seems she is one of "those" parents, who think their way is the only way, and everyone else is messing up the future...the ones who think preaching "family values" is a good thing, but never stop to think "whos family and what values". And if they did, would never think that someones family values might be something that isn't theirs.

I really just suggest not dealing with her. If she gives you the CD, thank her, and tell her you'll screen the lyrics to make sure they have a message you approve of. Then snap it on the way out and leave it under her tires. (okay, not that last part.)Just be nice and passive agressive, but try not to deal with her unless you have to.

And don't get me started on the Wiggles.
I have to ask, wtf are the "wiggles"? I assume something like veggietales (which I have banned my cousin from bringing if I babysit her little brats...it makes me want to cliff myself.) but I've never heard of it.

yeah, it's only partially rotted, but I can blame that on ICP really.....see, I wouldn't let my kid listen to that (at least not unsupervised) I am not that bad of a parent.

I have to ask, wtf are the "wiggles"? I assume something like veggietales (which I have banned my cousin from bringing if I babysit her little brats...it makes me want to cliff myself.) but I've never heard of it.
the wiggles (http://www.thewiggles.com.au/) are nothing like veggietales, veggies rock, we listen to them often

wiggles are in fact Disney secular, mind numbing crap......I should point out the Disney and secular to her since she has given me a lecture on "the evils of Disney" before..............:cool:

so it's only partially rotted;)

seems she is one of "those" parents, who think their way is the only way, and everyone else is messing up the future...the ones who think preaching "family values" is a good thing, but never stop to think "whos family and what values". And if they did, would never think that someones family values might be something that isn't theirs.

I really just suggest not dealing with her. If she gives you the CD, thank her, and tell her you'll screen the lyrics to make sure they have a message you approve of. Then snap it on the way out and leave it under her tires. (okay, not that last part.)Just be nice and passive agressive, but try not to deal with her unless you have to.

Depends..

From what it sounds like, this woman is bold. I think it would be best to bold right back, in a repsectful but firm manner. Keep letting a person walk over you or offend you, without standing up for what you feel is right.. and thats when you begin to abhor them. Not a good thing. Be straight up when you see it's going too far.

Bring a stero to the ballet and blast some Pink Floyd for her.

In all seriousness the best thing to do is ignore her and just smile and nod if you happen to get in a conversation with her.

the wiggles (http://www.thewiggles.com.au/) are nothing like veggietales, veggies rock, we listen to them often

The Wiggles just scared the crap out of me b/c I'd forgotten that the volume on my laptop was turned way up. Also, the Wiggles are Australian? What's that all about?

Thank her for her concern and point out that she has her own child to raise so she needn't bother with yours.

If that doesn't put her off, remind her:

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

The Wiggles just scared the crap out of me b/c I'd forgotten that the volume on my laptop was turned way up. Also, the Wiggles are Australian? What's that all about?
not a clue, but they have lyrics like

"fruit salad, yummy yummy, fruit salad, yummy yummy, fruit salad yummy yummy"

yeah that's basically how the whole song goes, I am telling you it could turn my kids into psychopaths faster than Pink Floyd would..........

compare that to Veggie lyrics......


we are the pirates who don't do anything
we just stay at home, and lie around
and if you ask us, to do anything
we'll just tell you, we don't do anything

well I've never been to GrEeNlAnD
and I've never been to Denver
and I've never buried treasure in ST Louie or ST Paul
and I've never been to Moscow
and I've never been to Tampa
and I've never been to Boston in the fall

we are the pirates who don't do anything
we just stay at home, and lie around
and if you ask us, to do anything
we'll just tell you, we don't do anything

and I've never hoist the main sail
and I've never swabbed the poop deck
and I've never veered starboard, cause I've never sailed at all
and I've never walked the gang plank
and I've never owned a parrot.
and I've never been to Boston in the fall

we are the pirates who don't do anything
we just stay at home, and lie around
and if you ask us, to do anything
we'll just tell you, we don't do anything

I've never plucked a rooster
and I am not too good at ping-pong
and I've never thrown my mashed potatoes up against the wall
and I've never kissed a chipmunk,
and I've never gotten head lice
and I have never been to Boston in the fall

And I've never licked a spark plug
and I've never sniffed a stink bug
and I've never painted daisys on a big red rubber ball
and I've never bathed in yogurt
and I dont look good in leggings
and I've never been to boston in the fall

we are the pirates who don't do anything
we just stay at home, and lie around
and if you ask us, to do anything
we'll just tell you, we don't do anything

we are the pirates who don't do anything
we just stay at home, and lie around
and if you ask us, to do anything
we'll just tell you, we don't do anything

the wiggles (http://www.thewiggles.com.au/) are nothing like veggietales, veggies rock, we listen to them often

wiggles are in fact Disney secular, mind numbing crap......I should point out the Disney and secular to her since she has given me a lecture on "the evils of Disney" before..............:cool:
to quote first BatBoy: The Musical..."Sweet wounded Jesus".
Then to quote The Man Who Came To Dinner..."To quote the master, I may vomit."


Depends..

From what it sounds like, this woman is bold. I think it would be best to bold right back, in a repsectful but firm manner. Keep letting a person walk over you or offend you, without standing up for what you feel is right.. and thats when you begin to abhor them. Not a good thing. Be straight up when you see it's going too far.
I would say her being bold will make passive agressivism even more grating. Bold people tend to deal poorly with underhanded and subversive tactics.

the wiggles (http://www.thewiggles.com.au/) are nothing like veggietales, veggies rock, we listen to them often

wiggles are in fact Disney secular, mind numbing crap......I should point out the Disney and secular to her since she has given me a lecture on "the evils of Disney" before..............:cool:
veggietales piss me off mostly because one character is named Larry, which is my fathers name.

With normal parents, this wouldnt bother me. With mine, I get my mom and dad running around like 6 year olds talking in baby voices saying "I'm a cucumber". Then my mother puts on her eeyore ears and starts talking about how she is a "purple ass" (yes, she did this all the way through disney for 5 days). Then there are anywhere from 1-5 little kids to deal with.


cliff anyone?

I would say her being bold will make passive agressivism even more grating. Bold people tend to deal poorly with underhanded and subversive tactics.

What I spoke of was the exact opposite of underhanded. How did you even get that from what I posted? I said plainly to deal with the person straight up ie honestly.

veggietales piss me off mostly because one character is named Larry, which is my fathers name.

With normal parents, this wouldnt bother me. With mine, I get my mom and dad running around like 6 year olds talking in baby voices saying "I'm a cucumber". Then my mother puts on her eeyore ears and starts talking about how she is a "purple ass" (yes, she did this all the way through disney for 5 days). Then there are anywhere from 1-5 little kids to deal with.


cliff anyone?

yeah, I could see how that would be annoying.....

I have a friend who can do the "Larry" voice, it's quite annoying, well, until he called the girls on thier birthdays and they got to go around a brag about it. LOL

not a clue, but they have lyrics like

"fruit salad, yummy yummy, fruit salad, yummy yummy, fruit salad yummy yummy"

yeah that's basically how the whole song goes, I am telling you it could turn my kids into psychopaths faster than Pink Floyd would..........

compare that to Veggie lyrics......

- snip awesome lyrics -

Man, I love the Veggies already! :p (Unless the music sucks, that is, but I can't imagine it would).

Of course, I can see how the nosey bitch wouldn't like the Veggies - licking spark plugs and sniffing stink bugs and all that talk about head lice is probably way too indecent for her. Although one could of course accuse the Wiggles of promoting *gasp* evil gay lifestyle choices, what with their tight colored sweaters and all that "fruit salad yummy yummy". You should totally point that out if she really gives you that CD.

What I spoke of was the exact opposite of underhanded. How did you even get that from what I posted? I said plainly to deal with the person straight up ie honestly.
because you quoted me where I suggested being underhanded...I was responding to your responce.

Oh wait.. I see what you were saying now. You meant that the person messing with her was underhanded. And that person wouldn't deal with boldness too well.

Too Bad. Sometimes you gotta stand your ground.

I don't know the persons involved. I only know what I've been told here, and from what I've been told here it sounds like this woman is a "buzybody" trying to mind other peoples business/family. With people like that you gotta let them know where the line is drawn, period.

And.. more so than not, no matter the type of passive aggressive person you are dealing with, if you let them know you aren't gonna tolerate that crap they will lay off. But..

That's one thing I've never understood about my gender. I'd rather have someone in my face telling me like it is, than some bullshit games. I've dealt with that shit myself in my youth, and at the time I didnt even understand it. Now I see it. It's meaner than being upfront anyday, IMO.

because you quoted me where I suggested being underhanded...I was responding to your responce.

Got it. Sorry about that. I understand now.

Okay so plan for tomorrow..........

be nice, smile, if she gives me the CD tell her I will check it out, if the lecture starts in *smack* oh, wait, I mean not get into a fist fight in front of my 4 year old hmm.......tell her to "mind her own business" and if that doesn't work direct her attention to the mom who is still breast feeding her 3 year old.......

sounds like a plan

what do you think?

Got it. Sorry about that. I understand now.
haha...no problem, I do that alot aswell.

yeah, I could see how that would be annoying.....

I have a friend who can do the "Larry" voice, it's quite annoying, well, until he called the girls on thier birthdays and they got to go around a brag about it. LOL
annoying doesn't even begin to say it. These are the same parents who have woken me and my sister up at 5 AM because my mom woke up, got bored, and pulled out my dads back hair. Same parents who, during the World Series when the sox won, my mom and the cats would settle down, only to jump up and be jumbled every time my dad yelled. And the same parents who got me one of those imaginary dog leashes and encouraged me to attack people with it and say "sorry, he's hard to control sometimes"

now you see where I get it from. just tell her these stories. You'll look like an angel

Okay so plan for tomorrow..........

be nice, smile, if she gives me the CD tell her I will check it out, if the lecture starts in *smack* oh, wait, I mean not get into a fist fight in front of my 4 year old hmm.......tell her to "mind her own business" and if that doesn't work direct her attention to the mom who is still breast feeding her 3 year old.......

sounds like a plan

what do you think?
"honey, go sit in the corner, and don't turn around till I tell you. Don't forget to earmuff!" *SLAM* and the nosey woman hits the ground after one hit.

see? it works.

or, yeah, your plan could work too.

A) how do I deal with the lady whom I "offended" this evening?
Apologize.

B) what is the diplomatic way to deal with idiots who think it's their job to get into your business univited, and how should I deal with their unwanted advice?
Did you also get into "her business"?

IF you do not want to discuss an issue with someone, all you have to do is politely say that you would rather not discuss the issue.

. And the same parents who got me one of those imaginary dog leashes and encouraged me to attack people with it and say "sorry, he's hard to control sometimes"

now you see where I get it from. just tell her these stories. You'll look like an angel[/QUOTE]
HA! I have one of those imaginary dogs, I used to pick up guys with it........long story..............

yeah, I am one of those parents sometimes, then I try to think about the effect it will have on my kid and try to tame myself......although it is fun to embarass her sometimes

I think I dodged that gene. I have to fight myself (cause I just feel its wrong to bullshit)to play mental games/emotional games with other females( and yes it tends to be other females. The men I deal with say what they mean, and mean what they say .. well for the most part.) I hate games.

I hope you well Smunk. I'm sure you will do good ,no matter.

Edited to change "missed that gene" to "dodged that gene" Thank Goodness.

Don't worry, your kid will be well adjusted while her kid will probably freak out when she gets to college, get pierced, get tattooed and go wild.

wanna know the sad, sad thing? My parents have never onces (despite their best efforts) embarrased me or my sister. We just play along with it. We learned early on when it is okay to play around and when it isn't. My mom walking around Disney screaming "I'm a purple ass" gave me (then 10) and my sister (then 11) notification that playing around was fine. And thus began the anklebiting imaginary dog.

Apologize.
for what? oh,right being a bitch......okay.........

Did you also get into "her business"?
she started it..........

IF you do not want to discuss an issue with someone, all you have to do is politely say that you would rather not discuss the issue.
at what point in the conversation? should I have ignored the "what's that in the background?" question or interrupted her rant, or waited until she was done and say that it's none of her business.....seriously I would rather not get into another one of these "discussions" with her.

yeah that's basically how the whole song goes, I am telling you it could turn my kids into psychopaths faster than Pink Floyd would..........
Most of the people I grew up with..... we listened to Pink Floyd and loved it. Many of them are very successful business people today and quite a few own their own companies.

Psychopaths....NOT!!

Don't worry, your kid will be well adjusted while her kid will probably freak out when she gets to college, get pierced, get tattooed and go wild.
whats wrong with piercings, tattoos, and blue hair?:(

granted, I got the eyebrow pierced while still at home, the hair while at home, and my dad loves the earings and tattoo (my mom likes the earrings, and is okay with the tattoo..."as long as [I'm] happy")

for what? oh,right being a bitch......okay.........
Yup.

she started it..........
And you allowed it to continue? All you had to say, was that she has a right to her opinion and you have the right to disagree, and that there would be nothing to be gained by discussing that disagreement any further.

at what point in the conversation? should I have ignored the "what's that in the background?" question or interrupted her rant, or waited until she was done and say that it's none of her business.....seriously I would rather not get into another one of these "discussions" with her.
All you had to say is excuse me but I have some important issues to attend to.

The best thing you can do is forgive and just let it go. How important is it anyways?

Yup.


And you allowed it to continue? All you had to say, was that she has a right to her opinion and you have the right to disagree, and that there would be nothing to be gained by discussing that disagreement any further.


All you had to say is excuse me but I have some important issues to attend to.

The best thing you can do is forgive and just let it go. How important is it anyways?

That is basically what I said, but you put it better. Thank you.

All you had to say is excuse me but I have some important issues to attend to.
"excuse me, I have to go. My daughter is crying. I think she is tired of Pink Floyd and wants to listen to Cradle of Filth now."

"excuse me, I have to go. My daughter is crying. I think she is tired of Pink Floyd and wants to listen to Cradle of Filth now."
hey, I don't let my kid listen to Cradle of Filth, what kind of parent do you think I am?!

"excuse me, my daughter is crying, I have to go switch Pink Floyd out for Godsmack"

see?

okay, I will appologize and fogive and all the other stuff that I am supposed to be doing anyway............but can I still try to redirect her? please???

hey, I don't let my kid listen to Cradle of Filth, what kind of parent do you think I am?!

"excuse me, my daughter is crying, I have to go switch Pink Floyd out for Godsmack"

see?

okay, I will appologize and fogive and all the other stuff that I am supposed to be doing anyway............but can I still try to redirect her? please???
haha...it was the worst name I could think of that isn't blatantly offensive to some people. Although, maybe Godsmack is better (Sully lived in my town, his aunt is my dads patient. Nice bloke.)

haha...and redirect away. I'm still all for laying the smackdown. Sadly, with that stance, I can't play a moral high card. But I can count the cards and stack the deck;)

Just do what you know in your heart is the right thing to do, and tell the "soccer" mom to go suck an egg(again, in a respectful, but firm way:) ). I mean you home school... your kids are way past the public school system drones right? What do you have to worry about with your children? If you are starting to worry about your standing in the community, with them assholes, you will never win. You are already doubting yourself.

but can I still try to redirect her? please???
What do you gain by doing that? IF she has a problem, well then, that would be HER problem, and you cannot fix HER problem, unless she asks you for help. Since this seems unlikely, just let it go. I think you will feel much better and your anger will go away.

I have to ask, wtf are the "wiggles"? I assume something like veggietales (which I have banned my cousin from bringing if I babysit her little brats...it makes me want to cliff myself.) but I've never heard of it.

DUDE the wiggles is nothing like VeggieTales!! wiggles is four fags that do shit. (nothing against gays --love you guys but the wiggles...)

and if you took the time to watch VeggieTales, youd see how wickedly funny in an ADULT way it is. half the time I'M the one laughing.

Everyone ive shown the veggies to gets hooked --if you dont like the Biblical messgae thats fine b/c seculars enjoy it to. Damn >.< it pisses me off that people say shit without even watching. have you?!

What do you gain by doing that? IF she has a problem, well then, that would be HER problem, and you cannot fix HER problem, unless she asks you for help. Since this seems unlikely, just let it go. I think you will feel much better and your anger will go away.
I'll put it the way I see it. It is like dangling a ball of string infront of a cat. Do you have anything to gain? no. But is it damn fun? yes.

Just do what you know in your heart is the right thing to do, and tell the "soccer" mom to go suck an egg(again, in a respectful, but firm way:) ). I mean you home school... your kids are way past the public school system drones right? What do you have to worry about with your children? If you are starting to worry about your standing in the community, with them assholes, you will never win. You are already doubting yourself.
true, I think I let it go on too long and just snapped tonight, I have to start taking care of this crap before it annoys me..............

I don't really care so much as she would be the type to call DHS on me for "abusing my kids" over crap like letting them play Kingdom of Loathing (the 4 year old, the 2 year old doesn't read yet) or letting them listen to "secular music" or *gasp* letting the 2 year old eat smoothies for breakfast with real fruit in them :eek:

DUDE the wiggles is nothing like VeggieTales!! wiggles is four fags that do shit. (nothing against gays --love you guys but the wiggles...)

and if you took the time to watch VeggieTales, youd see how wickedly funny in an ADULT way it is. half the time I'M the one laughing.

Everyone ive shown the veggies to gets hooked --if you dont like the Biblical messgae thats fine b/c seculars enjoy it to. Damn >.< it pisses me off that people say shit without even watching. have you?!
haha...read down a few posts from where I say I hate veggietales. It all gets explained.

I'll put it the way I see it. It is like dangling a ball of string infront of a cat. Do you have anything to gain? no. But is it damn fun? yes.

Not the way to go, unless she is trying to lower herself to that level.

No games please.

What do you gain by doing that? IF she has a problem, well then, that would be HER problem, and you cannot fix HER problem, unless she asks you for help. Since this seems unlikely, just let it go. I think you will feel much better and your anger will go away.
more wisdom? damn you. It's difficult to throw a fit, and be immature when you come in here and tell me what I know as an adult I should be doing:headbang:

okay thanks or whatever;)

more wisdom? damn you. It's difficult to throw a fit, and be immature when you come in here and tell me what I know as an adult I should be doing:headbang:

okay thanks or whatever;)
Oh, you are welcome. :)

Enjoy your life and your family and don't worry about Mrs. Jones.....she just might be the one that ends up in the rubber room.

Not the way to go, unless she is trying to lower herself to that level.

No games please.
don't worry, I'm only playing around (I would assume Smunkee has figured that out by now)

but it really isn't a game to redirect someone. Some people won't back down...so you pawn them off on someone else. It works, its easy, and you get a chance to see someone else squirm (and see how they handle it)


more wisdom? damn you. It's difficult to throw a fit, and be immature when you come in here and tell me what I know as an adult I should be doing

okay thanks or whatever

being an adult is so overrated. TANTRUM AWAY!

Good for the child, bad for the child, that's not what I'm looking at. I can't quantify the value of what you are or are not doing for your little girl.

I remember listening and watching the Wall over and over again during the early eighties while we were serving and fighting in Beirut during and after the embassy barracks attack, and it was a great comfort to me as I slammed shots of Uno and drank beer like a fish... but now that I'm a father, a ten year old and 8 year old and another one on the way, honestly I wouldn't let my kids go to sleep listening to ...

Mother do you think they'll drop the bomb?
Mother do you think they'll like this song?
Mother do you think they'll try to break my balls?
Mother should I build the wall?
Mother should I run for president?
Mother should I trust the government?
Mother will they put me in the firing line?
Mother am I really dying?

Hush now baby, baby, dont you cry.
Mother's gonna make all your nightmares come true.
Mother's gonna put all her fears into you.
Mother's gonna keep you right here under her wing.
She wont let you fly, but she might let you sing.
Mama will keep baby cozy and warm.
Ooooh baby ooooh baby oooooh baby,
Of course mama'll help to build the wall.

Mother do you think she's good enough -- to me?
Mother do you think she's dangerous -- to me?
Mother will she tear your little boy apart?
Mother will she break my heart?

Hush now baby, baby dont you cry.
Mama's gonna check out all your girlfriends for you.
Mama wont let anyone dirty get through.
Mama's gonna wait up until you get in.
Mama will always find out where you've been.
Mama's gonna keep baby healthy and clean.
Ooooh baby oooh baby oooh baby,
You'll always be baby to me.

Mother, did it need to be so high?

Not until they are old enough for me to explain it to them yet.

I would find something that reminded them of what I wanted them to feel, not what they might feel anyway, that will come soon enough.

I don't really have a problem with lyrical nursery rhymes stuff, even the old fashioned, 'wolf is gonna eat you stuff,' there is something to be learned about being warry of strangers and there really are people out there that want to eat you, so teaching it to them is fine. But Pink Floyd wasn't writing nursery rhymes and I wouldn't use them that way myself.

Just saying is all.

OOOOO heh heh sorry ^^'

LOL

No man, I AM A VEGGIE FREAK lol

but the wiggles disturb me...

and at the end of the day, just tell the woman to f*ck off.

you DONT have to DEAL with anything --its your kid.

the wiggles (http://www.thewiggles.com.au/) are nothing like veggietales, veggies rock, we listen to them often

wiggles are in fact Disney secular, mind numbing crap......I should point out the Disney and secular to her since she has given me a lecture on "the evils of Disney" before..............:cool:
How could Disney possibly be evil?

I don't really have a problem with lyrical nursery rhymes stuff, even the old fashioned, 'wolf is gonna eat you stuff,' there is something to be learned about being warry of strangers and there really are people out there that want to eat you, so teaching it to them is fine. But Pink Floyd wasn't writing nursery rhymes and I wouldn't use them that way myself.

Just saying is all.
while I respect your right to have your own opinion, I know my kid better than anyone else, and I assure you she fully grasps the lyrics, and we have had many conversations about metaphors, symbolism, and the like, she isn't getting damaged by it. I promise. ;)
















how was that CanuckHeaven?

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stephen lynch anyone?

hush little girl
sweet baby dont cry, tonight
daddy is here and he'll sing you a soft lullaby, tonight
why cant it all be like it was before
how can i explain why mommy's not here anymore

cause daddy likes porno and $10 whores
daddy gets wasted and robs liquor stores
daddy likes rubbing against little boys on the bus
i think thats why mommy left us, mommy left us

hush little girl
there is no reason to fret, tonight
don't mind the smoke, daddy just wants to forget, tonight
soon it will all be like it was before
any minute, she will walk through that front door

but daddy plays poker and drinks lots of beer
then he wants sex that involves mommy's rear
daddy has sores on his naughty parts oozing with pus
i think thats why mommy left us

please dont cry
i swear i'll try
to be here by your side

right after daddy gets home from the bar
visits his bookee
and steals a new car
he'll drive to the strip club
and if daddy plays his cards right
he'll bring home your new mommy tonight

I figure little kids don't usually listen to the words, and smunkees kids are very bright, so I have no doubt that she explains anything that needs to be explained.

:D LOL I love steven lynch!

especially "If I Were Gay"

"We've never hugged, we've never kissed, i've never been intimate with your fist." LMAO

If this goes deeper than just the average "nosey" neighbor(get in touch with DHomme, Syniks and maybe even Deep Kimchi).. mom, and you really feel that that something might be coming from that. ie taking your children away, making up crap on you and your family or family values etc. then it might be time to.. o hell. I don't really have an answer for that.. other than move far away.. but if you got grandparents there? Start recording phone calls etc. , get witnesses that are credible.

I probably jumped the mark here.. I know. But hell you never know. This thought crossed my mind right after I read the last responce from Smunk.

while I respect your right to have your own opinion, I know my kid better than anyone else, and I assure you she fully grasps the lyrics, and we have had many conversations about metaphors, symbolism, and the like, she isn't getting damaged by it. I promise. ;)



Fair enough. Unlike the lady from your phone call, I believe you.

Fair enough. Unlike the lady from your phone call, I believe you.
thanks. I promise you she isn't the typical 4 year old, she woke me up in the middle of the night earlier this week to ask me about isotopes.......it was like 3 in the morning, I have no clue what I told her still, but apparently it covered whatever she was asking about so she went back to sleep...........;)

:mad: Dude, why is this such a problem?

Youre gonna come across people who want to parent your kid many times and you know whats best so you (like every cool parent) has to tell the world to f*ck off...nicely.

youre the parent

she has domain over her kid only and shes an ignorant little hick. what does one do with those? you tell em off and then ignore em. why? because she wants to shove her life style down your throat --she wants control

IF YOU TAKE A CD FROM HER, YOU ARE GIVING IN.

you have the right to listen to whatever you want to and so does your kid. if she wants to be such a good influence tell her to go help the girl scouts of girlstown national hotline or big sister or just fucking adopt a kid. after all, an adopted one is someone else's except you deal with it as your own... kinda like what shes trying to do now.

the wiggles (http://www.thewiggles.com.au/) are nothing like veggietales, veggies rock, we listen to them often

wiggles are in fact Disney secular, mind numbing crap......I should point out the Disney and secular to her since she has given me a lecture on "the evils of Disney" before..............:cool:

Sounds like she's an evangelical/fundamentalist nutjob, and so reason simply will not get through to her. So arguing with her is pointless. Just do your best to ignore her, and hopefully she'll realize after a while that you're just not interested in her opinion.

How could Disney possibly be evil?

Because they're Teh Ebul secular media? Because they treat their gay employees well? I've heard both. It's a fundamentalist thing. :rolleyes:

How could Disney possibly be evil?
1 they give gay people rights just like they are "regular people"

2 The little mermaid dresses like a slut

3 Cinderella disobeys her "parent"

4 Snow White "lives in sin"

5 Disney owns a cable company that has pay-per-view porn

Before, anyone jumps on me, I don't agree with any of her reasons, yes gay people are regular people and deserve the same as everyone else, I like the little mermaid, I think Cinderella's step mom was evil, and I don't think that Snow White was anything more than a maid to the dwarfs........as far as the cable company I have no idea if that's true, but as a capitalist I have to say "if they are going to pay for it and it's legal, then why not profit?"

I just really want to know what type of person calls Pink Floyd secular music instead of rock? Do the subtle concepts of genres escape her?

If she doesn't like Pink Floyd and she's insulting you, go kill her.


As for the other, the only diplomatic way to deal with idiocy is to ignore it.
Yes, bronze cleaner is very effective...or plastic bags. Better yet, find something really creative like a massive jolt of electricity.

Some advice: "Never argue with an idiot; he'll drag you down to his level and beat you by experience."

Yes, bronze cleaner is very effective...or plastic bags. Better yet, find something really creative like a massive jolt of electricity.

Some advice: "Never argue with an idiot; he'll drag you down to his level and beat you by experience."

Some more advice. This one came from my ex-mother-in-law. Having said that, it's still good advice: "Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig enjoys it."

thanks. I promise you she isn't the typical 4 year old, she woke me up in the middle of the night earlier this week to ask me about isotopes.......it was like 3 in the morning, I have no clue what I told her still, but apparently it covered whatever she was asking about so she went back to sleep...........;)
think she could tutor me?

A) how do I deal with the lady whom I "offended" this evening?
B) what is the diplomatic way to deal with idiots who think it's their job to get into your business univited, and how should I deal with their unwanted advice?

A) Explain to them that they caught you at your worst, and then find a really obnoxious movie and loan it to them telling them that this is an example of what you really like to watch after you put the kids to bed. I recommend Pink Flamingos. If they come back at you, full of righteous indignation, say it was left over at the house by a friend, and that you must have grabbed the wrong one, then give them Bloodsucking Freaks next. Don't spend any more money on this than is necessary. Dub a copy.

B) Download a copy of Piss Up A Rope by Ween. Send it to her, anonymously, on a cassette.

:rolleyes:

Ok, on the off chance that you were looking for real advice, and not someone's idea of a joke, I'd just tell her politely that last time you checked, she wasn't your mother, and to please mind her own business. Then ignore her as much as is humanly possible. I certainly wouldn't worry about her. She's the one with the problems, not you.

I just really want to know what type of person calls Pink Floyd secular music instead of rock? Do the subtle concepts of genres escape her?
anything that's not what she deems as "pure" is secular, she thinks I am not only a bad mom, but a bad Christian, because I let my kids listen to things other than Christian contemporary music. :rolleyes:

think she could tutor me?
probably, she and I got into a discussion about paradoxes once, which led to a discussion on time travel, that led to a discussion on string theory, when she wanted more information than I had, so she had to talk to her dad about it, and I think my brain exploded LOL

anything that's not what she deems as "pure" is secular, she thinks I am not only a bad mom, but a bad Christian, because I let my kids listen to things other than Christian contemporary music. :rolleyes:

If there was a smiley with its jaw hitting the floor that would acurately describe what I'm feeling right now. WTF ever happened to let he without sin throw the first stone? I mean the whole point of being a christian is that your supposed to follow the teachings of Jesus and last time I checked that was a big one.

probably, she and I got into a discussion about paradoxes once, which led to a discussion on time travel, that led to a discussion on string theory, when she wanted more information than I had, so she had to talk to her dad about it, and I think my brain exploded LOL
*turns head sideways, blinks several times*

how's she with british literature?

then I will spare you the 30 minute lecture, but I can tell you I got very defensive and ended up pointing out her parenting flaws, and telling her not to call my house again.........anyway, I have to take Kathryn to Ballet tomorrow, so two questions

A) how do I deal with the lady whom I "offended" this evening?
Act like she's not there. If you acknowledged every idiot in the world, you'd have no time to do anything else.

B) what is the diplomatic way to deal with idiots who think it's their job to get into your business univited, and how should I deal with their unwanted advice?
If she phones you hang up. If she tries to push it on you some other way, just tell her you aren't interested and say goodbye.

- snip -
"Pink Floyd, The Wall"
"who is listening to that crap?"
"it's not crap, and Kathryn is, she is having trouble sleeping, it's like her lullaby"
- snip -
A) how do I deal with the lady whom I "offended" this evening?


With a coupon for a free tubal ligation (http://www.fwhc.org/birth-control/tubalig.htm)?

A) how do I deal with the lady whom I "offended" this evening?
B) what is the diplomatic way to deal with idiots who think it's their job to get into your business univited, and how should I deal with their unwanted advice?

Oh, there are LOTS of options:

1. Pretend it never happened. At least, if you were a guy, that's what you'd do.

2. Smile, nod, and walk away muttering. There's this one lady I know who insists on telling me what sort of child I have, and what my kid needs. Granted, she's got a veritable tribe herself, but she started this the first time she met my kid. I generally just smile, nod, grit my teeth and think "don't tell her to shut up, don't contradict her, don't say 'you idiot, that's not how my kid is', don't kick her..." until she's done. Try not to kick her.

3. On the other hand, you could just agree with her if she brings it up. Yep, I'm a terrible parent. What a horrible thing to let your kid listen to such bad music. Really, we should only allow Raffi (*shudder*) and the Wiggles (*uuugh!*). See how long she can keep critisizing when you're just cheerfully agreeing with everything she says.

4. Ask her if she's been watching too much Boobah, and it rotted her brain. LOL I might just go with that one myself...

I don't really care so much as she would be the type to call DHS on me for "abusing my kids" over crap like letting them play Kingdom of Loathing (the 4 year old, the 2 year old doesn't read yet)

really? how far has she got?

I would think that you should be flattered by her criticism.

"To be praised by fools --- that is the greatest shame."
- Nichiren Daishonin

anything that's not what she deems as "pure" is secular, she thinks I am not only a bad mom, but a bad Christian, because I let my kids listen to things other than Christian contemporary music. :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: You should tell her that the theology in most "christian" music is junk. I HATE those "god is my boyfriend" kind of songs where the person's all mushy and idiotic, and could easily be singing a valentine for her boyfriend. And the 7-11 shampoo songs: 7 words, 11 times, lather, rinse, repeat. (A prime example of these is a song that goes "I want to fall in love with you" about 80 million times.) Oh, and that her "baby mozart" CDs are secular music. Oh, and Opera is about the worst - I mean, it's FULL of sleeping around, murder, lying, cheating, stealing, suicide, random false gods, occational devils, hell, magic, and various other "bad" type things. Seriously, what ARE we to listen to these days?

I'd tell her once again she has no bloody right to criticise your parenting style and I would NEVER apologise to her.

Of course, I wouldn't even give her the time of day and I'd never forgive her, but that's not advice. That's just how I am.

stephen lynch anyone? hush little girl

What you gotta remember is the innocence doesn't pick up on anything else.

I remember when I had my beastie boys license to ill tape and my sister in law heard it( who was about 40 at the time) she freaking took it, destroyed it, told me to never listen to such a thing again.. cause it talked about "White Castle"..

See .. at that age, not familiar with NY . I had no idea wtf white castle meant, but to her it meant "cocaine". First I had ever heard of cocaine.. thanks sister in law!

Anyway.. come to find out, the white castle the beastie boys were talking about were freaking burgers! So her sinful ass mind corrupted my innocent mind, to put it blunt. Obvioulsly she has snorted, been around or something someone that called Cocaine White Castle, for her to even think of cocaine when the song said white castle. She told on herself.

So, I answer the phone tonight and it's a parent from my daughter's dance class who is calling me

"Will K. be in class tomorrow?"
"yes, Kathryn will be in class"
"okay..........what is that in the background?"
"The Wall"
"what?"
"Pink Floyd, The Wall"
"who is listening to that crap?" OK, from my point of view, here is where you made your mistake...
"it's not crap, and Kathryn is, she is having trouble sleeping, it's like her lullaby" You answered her question! Why? That was the point she crossed the line. It was none of her buisiness what music was playing and who was listening to it. This was the point you should have politely ended the call... without acknowledging her question!

Then you would have avoided what followed...
"you are one seriously screwed up mom"

You would have set a precident for any further encounters with this person and avoided all the drama you're now dreading...

she called back and appologized (or that's what she called it)

"I am sorry if I made you feel bad, but I just can't stand mom's who let thier kids listen to this "secular music" half the time they don't even know what's in it, and you know it's rotting her brain, I am going to buy her a Wiggle's CD and see if we can help you get her off this "rock music" kick she is on"

to which I replied that I know exactly what is "in the music" and that I censor her enough already and that I grew up listening to Black Sabbath, and the Ramones, and that my brain is not fully rotted

~snip~

Living in Europe I grew up with Eurodance and the Backstreet Boys and other horrible so-called mainstream music which is by far worse than Sabbath and Ramones... And despite the musical miseducation I haven't committed any kind of crime (yet).

Why don't you buy this woman's daughter some Marilyn Manson and Slipknot CDs and tell her to listen to it secretly and behind her mom's back.

really? how far has she got?
oh, sorry, answering the wrong question......I think.......she is still at Mt Noob, she likes to talk to the bird. :p

*turns head sideways, blinks several times*

how's she with british literature?
not great, know anything good we could start with? I ditched the literature class in highschool that was supposed to cover that.........

:mad: Dude, why is this such a problem?

Youre gonna come across people who want to parent your kid many times and you know whats best so you (like every cool parent) has to tell the world to f*ck off...nicely.

youre the parent

she has domain over her kid only and shes an ignorant little hick. what does one do with those? you tell em off and then ignore em. why? because she wants to shove her life style down your throat --she wants control

IF YOU TAKE A CD FROM HER, YOU ARE GIVING IN.

you have the right to listen to whatever you want to and so does your kid. if she wants to be such a good influence tell her to go help the girl scouts of girlstown national hotline or big sister or just fucking adopt a kid. after all, an adopted one is someone else's except you deal with it as your own... kinda like what shes trying to do now.

hate to quote my own quote but at least take it into consideration --why are you still considering whether shes right etc?

I'm a Pentacostal Christian, and my family is raised in close affinity with the local church...

but...

there are many busybodies there, including people who live nearby and homeschool their children (mostly out of the hope of isolating them culturally from things like music, etc).

One neighbor in particular is having major problems with their teenage daughter, who, after years of repression, has snapped like a rubber band that was stretched way too far.

The mother was commenting the other day that my daughter doesn't seem half as wild, nor nearly so rebellious, and I said, "that's because I trust her to make a lot of decisions on her own, and give her the freedom to think". She was pissed off, and left.

I'm a big believer that God gave us free will - it's not on me to prevent its exercise on things like what music to listen to.

Smunkeeville, as a fellow parent I certainly sympathize with being infringed upon. Unwanted advice usually comes at me through family members... talk about land mines. Blech.

Experience says it's best to focus on maintaining your boundaries when other parents get impertinent, nosy, and demanding. "I appreciate your concerns, but I don't share them," usually shuts people down very nicely. Even the easily offended ones.

Good luck to you.

(P.S. Your daughter shares my first name. Same spelling and everything.)

When my son was about 13 he began to play D&D regularly with a bunch of guys, and sometimes we mothers would have to call each other to find out where our kids were for sure.
One mom, a Mormon not a regular church going Mormon said 'Don't you think this game is Satanic and promotes Devil worship?' I said 'No I don't everyone knows spells and incantations are not real. I personally never let my kids play Monopoly because it's all about MONEY$$$ I don't want my kids growing up to be greedy capitilist pig greedheads!' She began to try to argue with me then she burst out laughing. Never had that conversation again with any other parents in that group, I'm sure at least some of them were fundamentalist or something too. I like the answer about 'What's that sound?' I would have asked 'Do you have reason to believe your phone is tapped?'
That'd fix her!

So, I answer the phone tonight and it's a parent from my daughter's dance class who is calling me

"Will K. be in class tomorrow?"
"yes, Kathryn will be in class"
"okay..........what is that in the background?"
"The Wall"
"what?"
"Pink Floyd, The Wall"
"who is listening to that crap?"
"it's not crap, and Kathryn is, she is having trouble sleeping, it's like her lullaby"
"you are one seriously screwed up mom"

then I will spare you the 30 minute lecture, but I can tell you I got very defensive and ended up pointing out her parenting flaws, and telling her not to call my house again.........anyway, I have to take Kathryn to Ballet tomorrow, so two questions

A) how do I deal with the lady whom I "offended" this evening?
B) what is the diplomatic way to deal with idiots who think it's their job to get into your business univited, and how should I deal with their unwanted advice?
You wouldn't like MY advice on this! Heh! :D

When my son was about 13 he began to play D&D regularly with a bunch of guys, and sometimes we mothers would have to call each other to find out where our kids were for sure.
One mom, a Mormon not a regular church going Mormon said 'Don't you think this game is Satanic and promotes Devil worship?'
yeah, if she ever found out that hubby and I play D&D I bet she would have a seizure, it's not really as bad as they think it is, in fact I think I may intro it to the girls in a year or two, you know to help them with thier math and stuff. :p


You wouldn't like MY advice on this! Heh!
probably not.;)



I talked to her today, I think she will leave us alone for a while. She still isn't happy about my "parenting" though, she says she might let her kid spend the night over at our house if we promise not to "ruin her", so, I am thinking Harry Potter marathon............right?:p

probably not.;)

I talked to her today, I think she will leave us alone for a while. She still isn't happy about my "parenting" though, she says she might let her kid spend the night over at our house if we promise not to "ruin her", so, I am thinking Harry Potter marathon............right?:p
Heh! GO for it, woman! :D

Heh! GO for it, woman! :D
most likely I won't actually, but will trip up on something I didn't realize would "ruin her" like reading her a book about dinosaurs, or letting her play with my daughter's doll house, or teaching her to play spades or something else equally stupid............oh well, my kids can't go to her house, so she won't be able to get revenge LOL..

yeah, if she ever found out that hubby and I play D&D I bet she would have a seizure, it's not really as bad as they think it is, in fact I think I may intro it to the girls in a year or two, you know to help them with thier math and stuff. :p You play D&D too... damn I am getting envious of your hubby... He's one lucky man.

I talked to her today, I think she will leave us alone for a while. She still isn't happy about my "parenting" though, she says she might let her kid spend the night over at our house if we promise not to "ruin her", so, I am thinking Harry Potter marathon............right?:pno, not Harry Potter...

after all, she want only good christian programs... right?

"Left Behind", "Omega code" and "Passion of the Christ" :D

or if you wanna be safe... there's alot of children's christian videos around. Veggie Tales, 3 2 1 penguins, Psalty (a christian version of Barney) and several others.

You play D&D too... damn I am getting envious of your hubby... He's one lucky man.
hey, I am the lucky one, I found a guy to put up with me. ;) Besides, he will play PS2 with me whenever I want to.


or if you wanna be safe... there's alot of children's christian videos around. Veggie Tales, 3 2 1 penguins, Psalty (a christian version of Barney) and several others.
we are fully stocked up on Veggie Tales, they are great. I will probably try to stick to those and the Veggie CD's if the kid comes over;) just to be super safe.

hey, I am the lucky one, I found a guy to put up with me. ;) Besides, he will play PS2 with me whenever I want to. :( all the good ones are taken. :(



we are fully stocked up on Veggie Tales, they are great. I will probably try to stick to those and the Veggie CD's if the kid comes over;) just to be super safe.some of those are great... I watch them with my neices and nephews...

and sometimes when I have nothing better to watch...

yeah, if she ever found out that hubby and I play D&D I bet she would have a seizure, it's not really as bad as they think it is, in fact I think I may intro it to the girls in a year or two, you know to help them with thier math and stuff. :p

I rule with numbers! I blame DnD.

:( all the good ones are taken. :(

some of those are great... I watch them with my neices and nephews...and sometimes when I have nothing better to watch...
No ... there're not. :p

I've watched Veggie Tales with my grandchildren so many times that I think I have most of them memorized! :D

Another good series to watch is the "Baby Einstein" series. Ever seen those?

not great, know anything good we could start with? I ditched the literature class in highschool that was supposed to cover that.........
well, you'll have to wait on some of these, since they are old english in some cases, but for stuff up to the reformation this is what I'm looking at:
Beowulf (it is more fun if you teach her that it is alot like Lord of the Rings)
Sir Gawain and the Green Knight
Canterbury Tales - Chauer (Wife of Bath, Pardoner)
Sonnetts by Wyatt, Howard, Spenser, Sidney, and Shakespeare
Harlowe - Hero and Leander
Spenser - the Faerie Queene
King Lear - Shakespeare
Lanyer - The description of Cooke-ham
Jonson - To Penhurst
Milton - Paradise Lost
Dryden - Annus Mirabilis and MacFlecknoe
Behn - Oroonoko

I can give you the name of a good anthology or some help on English related stuff...I'm in all those classes now, so I know what people are considering important

Edit: Sir Gawain and Beowulf would actually make good bedtime stories...they're from the still oral culture of the Anglo-Saxons, and so have that kinda a flow to them.

A) how do I deal with the lady whom I "offended" this evening? B) what is the diplomatic way to deal with idiots who think it's their job to get into your business univited, and how should I deal with their unwanted advice?

First of all, EXCELLENT mother. Second, maybe it's just better to change the subject or ignore her entirely.

yeah, if she ever found out that hubby and I play D&D I bet she would have a seizure, it's not really as bad as they think it is, in fact I think I may intro it to the girls in a year or two, you know to help them with thier math and stuff. :p GURPS... they use more number crunching than DnD.

to quote first BatBoy: The Musical..."Sweet wounded Jesus".


"Hold me, Batboy! Touch me, batboy!" I haven't seen it but I have the soundtrack. It is hilarious!

"Mom?!"
"Shelley, quiet!"

Smunkeeville, fist of all, let me second the "all the good ones are taken" comment made earlier. You play D&D, listen to Floyd and value your children's curiosity enough to answer their questions honestly and with as much accuracy as discretion allows. Brava!

Now, on to the whole first post episode. If you're looking for a way to explain your child's exposure to Pink Floyd, may I humbly suggest using a musical train of thought? It's funny, as a public high school teacher for three years, I had to fight for the right to perform music that came from the Catholic liturgy because it's some of the most beautiful and historically relelvant music for choirs there is. You just can't do 98% of Bach's choral works without dealing with (as Eddie Izzard once put it) "those pesky God and Jesus fellas." So I had to deal with left-leaning parents there. This fall, I started at a Catholic (Benedictine) University in Bismarck, ND called the University of Mary (check out the web site if you doubt my claim: www.umary.edu, look for music and my name, Nathan Lansing). The problem here was that I was "warned" not to get overly secular, especially with the Christmas concert. It's so Catholic here that we don't get secular federal holidays (MLK Day, Vet's Day, Presidents' Day), but we get Easter Break and a Fall Break as well as one in Spring.

So (sorry for the digression), here's how you deal with Floyd Paranoid. Tell her that you're introducing your child to musical concepts that include meters in six (the afore-posted "Mother" is in six-eight), major and minor modes, lyrical melodies (like the soaring guitar on "Mother" or the cooing simplicity of "Goodbye Blue Sky"), orchestration (thin textures like "Goodbye Cruel World" versus dense textures like "In The Flesh"), strong rhythmic devices ("Waiting For the Worms"), polytonality ("Goodbye Blue Sky" again), musical self-referencing (the insistent recurrence of the "we don't need no education" melodic line beneath the Hammer section of "Waiting For The Worms" as well as in other songs), the notion of operatic through-composed story structure as opposed to song-after-song detached album concepts, and a dozen or more other legitimate musical concepts found within Waters & Gilmour's grand opus. I've used "The Wall" on numerous occasions in music appreciation and music theory classes in order to demonstrate these and other musical concepts. Music theory should not exist in a vacuum and should include not only sacred early music, but secular music from all the same eras, including the 20th century. Art reflects the times in which it was created, so you could easily work nuclear paranoia into a discussion of The Wall as well -- the general hopelessness that pervaded much of the Cold War era.

Anyway, that's my two cents. I hope it helps.

NdL
a.k.a.
Magister Jubal Harshaw
a.k.a.
Milo Bloom, halfling of Channath Vale (lvl 5 rogue, lvl2 fighter, lvl 2 Shadowdancer).

well, you'll have to wait on some of these, since they are old english in some cases, but for stuff up to the reformation this is what I'm looking at:
~~snip~~
Canterbury Tales - Chauer (Wife of Bath, Pardoner)

If Smunkee's 4yo is able to read Middle English, I'm throwing in the towel, moving to mexico and becoming a bean farmer.

If Smunkee's 4yo is able to read Middle English, I'm throwing in the towel, moving to mexico and becoming a bean farmer.
if what I read of Smunkee's children are even half true...


Let me know when you get there, perhaps I can make a deal on inporting the beans you grow. :D

If Smunkee's 4yo is able to read Middle English, I'm throwing in the towel, moving to mexico and becoming a bean farmer.
she probably won't pick up on it right away, it will be more of a mom/kid exploration at first, although at the rate she learns, in about 2 weeks of it she will be reading it on her own, and just discussing it over dinner with me and her father, send us some beans........we like them ;)

I have no views.

Rock music as lullaby for sleeping? O_o.

I would like to try that.

Smunkeeville, fist of all, let me second the "all the good ones are taken" comment made earlier. You play D&D, listen to Floyd and value your children's curiosity enough to answer their questions honestly and with as much accuracy as discretion allows. Brava!

-snip although I printed it out-
awesome, I can use The Wall in our music time :D

we have been messing around with 2/4 time lately, I hadn't even thought about the wealth of material from Pink Floyd when discussing music, sometimes it's like my brain fell out.

send us some beans........we like them ;)

Sure thing. Just don't let your children find me :p

if you want to let her see probablity at work. Do the Wizard of Oz and Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon thing.

if you want to let her see probablity at work. Do the Wizard of Oz and Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon thing.
yeah, I told my husband that we should do that, but for some reason the Wizard of Oz scares my 2 year old (I think it's the Lion) so, we are going to either keep the 4 year old up late on night to do it, or send the 2 year old on an overnight.

I have no views.

Rock music as lullaby for sleeping? O_o.

I would like to try that.
I think it's mostly just familiar to her, I used to listen to it, and Dark Side of the Moon when I was pregnant with her, it could be an association thing.

She used to kick in time with the bass drum in the womb when I would listen to Operation Ivy when I was pregnant too though.......weird kid. :p

I think it's mostly just familiar to her, I used to listen to it, and Dark Side of the Moon when I was pregnant with her, it could be an association thing.

She used to kick in time with the bass drum in the womb when I would listen to Operation Ivy when I was pregnant too though.......weird kid. :p

I see.

Well that woman is blantly narrow-minded. You should ignore 'em. Afterall, at that age, and that comment, it shows how much she learned in life.

"Hold me, Batboy! Touch me, batboy!" I haven't seen it but I have the soundtrack. It is hilarious!

"Mom?!"
"Shelley, quiet!"
:eek:

someone else knows batboy?!?!

*faints*

Living in Europe I grew up with Eurodance and the Backstreet Boys and other horrible so-called mainstream music which is by far worse than Sabbath and Ramones... And despite the musical miseducation I haven't committed any kind of crime (yet).

Why don't you buy this woman's daughter some Marilyn Manson and Slipknot CDs and tell her to listen to it secretly and behind her mom's back.

Why Marilyn Manson and Slipknot when Darkthrone and Satyricon would be so much more entertaining.

So, I answer the phone tonight and it's a parent from my daughter's dance class who is calling me

"Will K. be in class tomorrow?"
"yes, Kathryn will be in class"
"okay..........what is that in the background?"
"The Wall"
"what?"
"Pink Floyd, The Wall"
"who is listening to that crap?"
"it's not crap, and Kathryn is, she is having trouble sleeping, it's like her lullaby"
"you are one seriously screwed up mom"

then I will spare you the 30 minute lecture, but I can tell you I got very defensive and ended up pointing out her parenting flaws, and telling her not to call my house again.........anyway, I have to take Kathryn to Ballet tomorrow, so two questions

A) how do I deal with the lady whom I "offended" this evening?
B) what is the diplomatic way to deal with idiots who think it's their job to get into your business univited, and how should I deal with their unwanted advice?

If it was Led Zeppelin, i could understand her reaction.

*sighs*