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There are a couple of sites that decided to outdo Google, offering 30 gigs, and even 1 terrabyte of email.

I'm hoping for a serious discussion of what to do with this space. I think first off, that you have to take it. It's a fucking terrabyte! My computer holds 60 gigs of stuff, and was reasonably expensive when I got it. For me, that was a TON of space I thought, when I got it. But its less than 1% of my email account.

So, some things I'd like to see discussed

1. Besides storage or google groups, how to fill it? Are there any email lists that send MP3's, or send large images (like Morguefile or Digital Blasphemy but as email), or send PDF files (like Coldtype.net) or videos or game demos, anything? Any of those would be awesome.

2. If none, would it be a good idea for people like us to START some of these up for the next email generation? There is soo much capability!

It seems kind of like a solution to a problem that never existed, but dammit! There HAVE to be some new doors opened because of this. A terrabyte is a lot of space, that a lot of people would PAY for. Where do you guys see this going?

We're all sinners. Even you.

Nowhere fast. A TB strikes me as unnecessarily huge. Unless people are sending films by e-mail It isnt going to be needed. I dotn doubt people will buy it to show off, but internet speeds are still a bit slow to be dishing out attatchments of that magnitude :P

You can essentially use their servers as backup storage. Just email yourself copies of all your songs/pornos/whatever and keep them on their systems.

You can essentially use their servers as backup storage. Just email yourself copies of all your songs/pornos/whatever and keep them on their systems.
That breaches terms of service for gmail atleast, and probably many others.

Nowhere fast. A TB strikes me as unnecessarily huge. Unless people are sending films by e-mail It isnt going to be needed. I dotn doubt people will buy it to show off, but internet speeds are still a bit slow to be dishing out attatchments of that magnitude :P

See, I hope to hell your not right, and that's the answer that keeps getting whispered in my ear, but I don't want to listen to it. Maybe we SHOULD start sending films. There's lots of sites that have videos, why not a video email list?

That breaches terms of service for gmail atleast, and probably many others.

Really? I didn't know that :rolleyes:

You can essentially use their servers as backup storage. Just email yourself copies of all your songs/pornos/whatever and keep them on their systems.

But that's what everyone says! There has to be something cooler.

That breaches terms of service for gmail atleast, and probably many others.

Music? Porn? Or both?

Pppppppppppprrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr000000000000000000000nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But that's just it. You're not supposed to fill it, you're just suposed to have it. It's a terabyte! So what if we couldn't use it in our lifetime.

Wouldn't it be cool if you could use it as an extra hard drive? Just fill it with a bunch of files that you might need later but don't access too much.

Wouldn't it be cool if you could use it as an extra hard drive? Just fill it with a bunch of files that you might need later but don't access too much.

Or just download everything you possibly can, just so you can say you have a terabyte of stuff.

Wouldn't it be cool if you could use it as an extra hard drive? Just fill it with a bunch of files that you might need later but don't access too much.

That's what I thought was being said wasn't allowed by google, etc. Maybe I'm just confused (this would not be new)

No one needs that much space for emails. I think this is going a tad to far..

No one needs that much space for emails. I think this is going a tad to far..

You don't need it. You just have it. Yay for the next metric prefix!

No one needs that much space for emails. I think this is going a tad to far..
Well, it would be great for market research. Nobody would be bothered with deleted email if they had so much space. The company would just keep a permanent record of every email you receive and can sell that info to other companies who want to advertise to you.

You don't need it. You just have it. Yay for the next metric prefix!

No one should have that much email room. Come on. Emails are temporary things. No one should keep them when they become out of date.

Well, it would be great for market research. Nobody would be bothered with deleted email if they had so much space. The company would just keep a permanent record of every email you receive and can sell that info to other companies who want to advertise to you.

I delete those the minute they cross my inbox.

No one should have that much email room. Come on. Emails are temporary things. No one should keep them when they become out of date.

What if you wanted to run a 1 year study on what kind of spam is more common? Viagra, "Rates are low", Penis enlargement, etc.

And besides, they said no one should have salt in a milkshake, but I showed them! Ha! (It actually tastes okay if you don't put too much in...)

What if you wanted to run a 1 year study on what kind of spam is more common? Viagra, "Rates are low", Penis enlargement, etc.

A study is a totally different thing.

And besides, they said no one should have salt in a milkshake, but I showed them! Ha! (It actually tastes okay if you don't put too much in...)

uh? :confused:

No one should have that much email room. Come on. Emails are temporary things. No one should keep them when they become out of date.

Like, tottally, whatever! Why the hell not? Maybe it's not just about text emails anymore? Maybe there will be V-mails, or entire files being sent to people. Maybe future email accounts will be the equivalent of our own massive personal web site, that sorts out the files we are sent into different sections, etc. Don't tell me that's impossible.

Like, tottally, whatever! Why the hell not? Maybe it's not just about text emails anymore? Maybe there will be V-mails, or entire files being sent to people. Maybe future email accounts will be the equivalent of our own massive personal web site, that sorts out the files we are sent into different sections, etc. Don't tell me that's impossible.

Its impossible.

A study is a totally different thing.


True, but it's not like you even need to have a terabyte of e-mail, you just have the space for it.


uh? :confused:

Don't question my tastes...I also enjoy peanut butter and Doritos (Nacho Cheesier) inside a bagel. Yummy ^_^

True, but it's not like you even need to have a terabyte of e-mail, you just have the space for it.

Email services shouldn't have that much space!

Don't question my tastes...I also enjoy peanut butter and Doritos (Nacho Cheesier) inside a bagel. Yummy ^_^

Whatever

Its impossible.


Or is it? DUN DUN dun dun dun DUuUuUuN.......

Or is it? DUN DUN dun dun dun DUuUuUuN.......

like whatever.

Email services shouldn't have that much space!


Why not? Do not fear the tera-, Just think of it as trillion, if that helps.

Why not? Do not fear the tera-, Just think of it as trillion, if that helps.

why does anyone need that much space? No ordinary human does.

like whatever.

Common word in western Pennsylvania?

Common word in western Pennsylvania?

It us among us teenagers.

why does anyone need that much space? No ordinary human does.

You don't need it. You just have it.

Define ordinary.

You don't need it. You just have it.

Define ordinary.

someone who is not clinically insane and who is not a politician.

I say we take advantage of this, sooner than you think the Terabyte will become as insignificant as the Megabyte.

someone who is not clinically insane and who is not a politician.


Can we stretch stupidity to a form of clinical insanity? We'd get a lot less ordinary people then...

I say we take advantage of this, sooner than you think the Terabyte will become as insignificant as the Megabyte.

Except for in digital cameras, with their pixels, they're behind the rest of the world in metric prefixes. there's like...one 4 giga-pixel camera.

Can we stretch stupidity to a form of clinical insanity? We'd get a lot less ordinary people then...

Nope. Stupid people are not clinically insane.

Hah! Terabytes! Look towards the future, with ridiculously large numbers of bytes:

Terabyte: 1,099,511,627,776 (around 1 trillion) bytes of information.
Petabyte: 1,125,899,906,842,624 (around 1 quadrillion) bytes of information.
Exabyte: 1,152,921,504,606,846,976 (around 1 quintillion) bytes of information.

After exabyte google definitions nearly gave up, leaving me with Wikipedia:
Zettabyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (one sextillion) bytes.
Yottabyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (one septillion) bytes.

It would take 600,000 yottabytes to transfer all the information about the human body to a computer.

Hmmmm.... 1 Yottabyte email....

I went to the wikipedia page on terbytes and all that jazz. My favorite thing I read going through those sites was...
"It was estimated that by the end of 1999, the sum of human knowledge (including audio, video and text) was 12 exabytes."

Its impossible.

Honestly, that offends me. (Hooray you will try more of it.) If you honestly think rhetorical tricks are going to substitute for reasoned discussion, you are just being a jack ass. (WHOOAH further distraction, take issue with my insulting and continue to wallow in irrelevance!) You have to be dishonest with yourself if you beleive that files will never get bigger, ever, than they currently are right now or that email systems never, will ever change from where they are right now.

To just spell that out and read over those words again, I KNOW you understand if anything, at least the slight grain of truth to that. But you'd rather just throw "It's impossible" at me?

Honestly, that offends me. (Hooray you will try more of it.) If you honestly think rhetorical tricks are going to substitute for reasoned discussion, you are just being a jack ass. (WHOOAH further distraction, take issue with my insulting and continue to wallow in irrelevance!) You have to be dishonest with yourself if you beleive that files will never get bigger, ever, than they currently are right now or that email systems never, will ever change from where they are right now.

To just spell that out and read over those words again, I KNOW you understand if anything, at least the slight grain of truth to that. But you'd rather just throw "It's impossible" at me?

Dude, right now, I am very emotional because of my family hounding me. Don't make me mad.

Besides that, I guess sarcasm doesn't come across the screen well.

I went to the wikipedia page on terbytes and all that jazz. My favorite thing I read going through those sites was...
"It was estimated that by the end of 1999, the sum of human knowledge (including audio, video and text) was 12 exabytes."

That's 13,835,058,055,282,163,712 bytes. 13 quintillion bytes.

Don't look at me like that, I like big numbers!

The only people who would need terabytes of storage would be the government and large corporations. For the general public, a terabyte is just an unnecessary amount of storage. It's four times the size of my hard drive! Yikes!

The only problem with a terabyte of online storage space is how far ahead of the bandwidth it is - memory is awesome, but it's only so if you have the transmission to match it. Once bandwidth catches up, though, it's no longer just an email log - this is where the Internet becomes one vast P2P network. Won't the RIAA freak out....

It's also where the necessity for a personal computer with lots of ROM becomes all but pointless. If you can store more on an Internet account for less, why bother? All you need is lots of RAM and bandwidth, and enough memory to hold an OS and some programs. Normal files like mp3s, .doc's, etc. can be stored online, unless it's sensitive stuff. It's a bandwidth-oriented, remote-access-based, and Internet-central computer world.

The only people who would need terabytes of storage would be the government and large corporations. For the general public, a terabyte is just an unnecessary amount of storage. It's four times the size of my hard drive! Yikes!

Exactly. It is unnecessary.

That's 13,835,058,055,282,163,712 bytes. 13 quintillion bytes.

Don't look at me like that, I like big numbers!

Can anyone give me a relatively accurate number on the highest amount of memory commercially available today, and its price? I want to calculate how long according to Moore's Law it will take to be able to store all human knowledge.

Hah! Terabytes! Look towards the future, with ridiculously large numbers of bytes:

Terabyte: 1,099,511,627,776 (around 1 trillion) bytes of information.
Petabyte: 1,125,899,906,842,624 (around 1 quadrillion) bytes of information.
Exabyte: 1,152,921,504,606,846,976 (around 1 quintillion) bytes of information.

After exabyte google definitions nearly gave up, leaving me with Wikipedia:
Zettabyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (one sextillion) bytes.
Yottabyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (one septillion) bytes.

It would take 600,000 yottabytes to transfer all the information about the human body to a computer.

Hmmmm.... 1 Yottabyte email....

Woohoo! On up the metric scale! Soon they'll need to make new prefixes!

It would take 600,000 yottabytes to transfer all the information about the human body to a computer.

On the other hand, the storage necessary to map and upload a human brain - the important part - will be available for <$1000 by the early 2020's, going by Moore's Law. Exciting stuff.

On the other hand, the storage necessary to map and upload a human brain - the important part - will be available for <$1000 by the early 2020's, going by Moore's Law. Exciting stuff.

I hope I wasn't the only one to think:

Ghosts!

On the other hand, the storage necessary to map and upload a human brain - the important part - will be available for <$1000 by the early 2020's, going by Moore's Law. Exciting stuff.
Well version 2.0 of moores law but yeah

I hope I wasn't the only one to think:

Ghosts!

I was actually going more for deus ex machina - "god in machine" - but that works too. :D

Wouldn't it be cool if you could use it as an extra hard drive? Just fill it with a bunch of files that you might need later but don't access too much.

There's software that makes it possible to do that with GMail, allowing you to "map" your GMail account to a drive, so you use it like a normal network share.

I was actually going more for deus ex machina - "god in machine" - but that works too. :D

Maybe I'm being slightly pedantic.

But surely "God in Machine" would be Deus in Machina?


I suppose becoming a ghost whould allow me to see 2066. :D

On the other hand, the storage necessary to map and upload a human brain - the important part - will be available for <$1000 by the early 2020's, going by Moore's Law. Exciting stuff.

*Dreamy look in eyes* And then... we can send each other brains... by email...

*Dreamy look in eyes* And then... we can send each other brains... by email...
i'm not so sure i want to SEE what some people are thinking.....:rolleyes:

i'm not so sure i want to SEE what some people are thinking.....:rolleyes:

I agree with this statement.

Alright then, they'll be sent in binary so you can fiddle for many long hours decoding them.

Maybe I'm being slightly pedantic.

But surely "God in Machine" would be Deus in Machina?

That makes sense. Deus ex machina is the term I've heard, but maybe it's a slightly indirect translation.

I suppose becoming a ghost whould allow me to see 2066. :D

Screw that - I'm holding out for deep time. Also, you aren't a ghost per se - you've just moved your state vector to another medium, really a much better one. Who wants to be a messy, wet, inefficient meatbrain trapped in a monkey-body in a limited, nonmutable (in the near future at least - reengineering spacetime and bypassing the Beckenstein bound will be a prime goal of any major civilization, I'm sure) reality if they can possibly help it?

Alright then, they'll be sent in binary so you can fiddle for many long hours decoding them.
In the end it will be sent in “binary” in one form or another any way

All machine communication is at some level

Screw that - I'm holding out for deep time. Also, you aren't a ghost per se - you've just moved your state vector to another medium, really a much better one. Who wants to be a messy, wet, inefficient meatbrain trapped in a monkey-body in a limited, nonmutable (in the near future at least - reengineering spacetime and bypassing the Beckenstein bound will be a prime goal of any major civilization, I'm sure) reality if they can possibly help it?

Yup. That, and getting tacos to materialize by thought. Machine gods indeed.

*solemn nod*

Mmmm. Tacos.

I just ate a taco, and a Crunchwrap Supreme - mmmmm good.

That makes sense. Deus ex machina is the term I've heard, but maybe it's a slightly indirect translation.

Deus ex Machina, is God from Machine ;)

Screw that - I'm holding out for deep time. Also, you aren't a ghost per se - you've just moved your state vector to another medium, really a much better one. Who wants to be a messy, wet, inefficient meatbrain trapped in a monkey-body in a limited, nonmutable (in the near future at least - reengineering spacetime and bypassing the Beckenstein bound will be a prime goal of any major civilization, I'm sure) reality if they can possibly help it?

Used ghost since it already has a Science Fiction pedigree. :)

why does anyone need that much space? No ordinary human does.

They said that about gigabyte hard drives too...

*Clutches his 80-gig hard drive to his chest*
They what?

True, to do that i would have to pull apart my computer, but the idea still holds.

No one needs that much space for emails. I think this is going a tad to far..
here here i second that

There are a couple of sites that decided to outdo Google, offering 30 gigs, and even 1 terrabyte of email.

I'm hoping for a serious discussion of what to do with this space. I think first off, that you have to take it. It's a fucking terrabyte! My computer holds 60 gigs of stuff, and was reasonably expensive when I got it. For me, that was a TON of space I thought, when I got it. But its less than 1% of my email account.

So, some things I'd like to see discussed

1. Besides storage or google groups, how to fill it? Are there any email lists that send MP3's, or send large images (like Morguefile or Digital Blasphemy but as email), or send PDF files (like Coldtype.net) or videos or game demos, anything? Any of those would be awesome.

2. If none, would it be a good idea for people like us to START some of these up for the next email generation? There is soo much capability!

It seems kind of like a solution to a problem that never existed, but dammit! There HAVE to be some new doors opened because of this. A terrabyte is a lot of space, that a lot of people would PAY for. Where do you guys see this going?
ok. Sure.
What sites are doing that?

here here i second that


You don't need it. You just have it.
.

Maybe I'm being slightly pedantic.

But surely "God in Machine" would be Deus in Machina?

As Anarchic Conceptions has already said, 'Deus ex Machina' means 'God from the machine'. For the overly curious, it comes from ancient Greek plays, in which the plot got so tangled up that the method of resolving it all at the end was to open a trapdoor or use a crane and bring in a god, who would happily explain everything, remove any curses, and solve all the problems for everyone, just in time for the final bow. Hence, deus ex machina now refers to any plot device used to get out of impossible situations - a classic example is Tolkien's eagles, who seem to sit around and wait for someone to be in trouble on a mountain.

None of which is at all relevant.

I knew that was the literary use of the term, but I appropriated the term for a more literal use in my discussion. :)

i Have heard even better news than this..well it was like in august BUT, they are supposedly making a burner that can burn a tb in like no time... and of course they are making disks that can hold that much info as well..you could put like 2 or 3 computers on ONE disk! amazing!

They said that about gigabyte hard drives too...

I can understand the gigabyte harddrives. After all Comp games these days, take up over a gigabyte of space.

But a terrabyte of email? That no private person needs.

As Anarchic Conceptions has already said, 'Deus ex Machina' means 'God from the machine'. For the overly curious, it comes from ancient Greek plays, in which the plot got so tangled up that the method of resolving it all at the end was to open a trapdoor or use a crane and bring in a god, who would happily explain everything, remove any curses, and solve all the problems for everyone, just in time for the final bow. Hence, deus ex machina now refers to any plot device used to get out of impossible situations - a classic example is Tolkien's eagles, who seem to sit around and wait for someone to be in trouble on a mountain.

Or a more contemporary and possible easier to identify example would be the Cavalry arriving at the end of westerns where the good guy where surrounded by bod guys (usually 'Indians') and completely out numbered.

None of which is at all relevant.

Ditto.

Dude, right now, I am very emotional because of my family hounding me. Don't make me mad.

Besides that, I guess sarcasm doesn't come across the screen well.

You sound like the Hulk, and whether you are mad or not is pretty irrelevant. And no, I was right goddam here when you said that, yeah, let's paint it as sarcasm- that's a cheap way out of admitting you meant to one-up me and stand by your point.

I don't know if you've ever wondered why message board discussions always have a good chance at sucking, but I'm sure you were totally hoping to better them by being a jerk.. At the least you can understand that sometimes accross the internet there can be a bridge to gap.

Still sounds like a load of nonsense, to try to paint me as someone who can't get sarcasm (and how the fuck do you know?), when I bet all you really did was consider your options for a response and that one sounded most convenient.

You sound like the Hulk, and whether you are mad or not is pretty irrelevant. And no, I was right goddam here when you said that, yeah, let's paint it as sarcasm- that's a cheap way out of admitting you meant to one-up me and stand by your point.

I don't know if you've ever wondered why message board discussions always have a good chance at sucking, but I'm sure you were totally hoping to better them by being a jerk.. At the least you can understand that sometimes accross the internet there can be a bridge to gap.

Still sounds like a load of nonsense, to try to paint me as someone who can't get sarcasm (and how the fuck do you know?), when I bet all you really did was consider your options for a response and that one sounded most convenient.

*reads the post and shakes his head*

AtheistsRsinners, there is such a thing as sarcasm. It is used everyday on this forum. Your new I can see that but you really have to learn not to take things so personal.

As for this thread as a whole, who is offereing this?

block it

Exactly. It is unnecessary.
What stammering nonsense! How do you KNOW that? You don't at all, you are just putting out your random guess as absolute truth. That wastes all of our time and clogs down the discussion.. what the hell?

*reads the post and shakes his head*

AtheistsRsinners, there is such a thing as sarcasm. It is used everyday on this forum. Your new I can see that but you really have to learn not to take things so personal.

As for this thread as a whole, who is offereing this?

For your info, I've been around the board for a year with different names. People that know me say I'm one of the more sarcastic people they've met (but I'm sure you knew that, right?) I agree that it did kind of tread the gray area that reached into sarcasm, but as a divergence from a real discussion, it's pretty insulting. Go ahead take the fatherly "shakes his head" condescension further, and not listen, but I'm sure you've felt the same in a political discussion when someone has just sarcastically smeared an ideal you were defending instead of actually talking about it. Right? Right?

They said that about gigabyte hard drives too...
agreed!

ok. Sure.
What sites are doing that?
http://www.hriders.com/web_page.cfm?web_pageID=38


and they even mention that they are offering TB email accounts so that you CAN use it to backup your files.

You have to give out more personal information Than I'm comfortable with but its free and they don't ask for SSN or credit card info...

For your info, I've been around the board for a year with different names. People that know me say I'm one of the more sarcastic people they've met (but I'm sure you knew that, right?) I agree that it did kind of tread the gray area that reached into sarcasm, but as a divergence from a real discussion, it's pretty insulting. Go ahead take the fatherly "shakes his head" condescension further, and not listen, but I'm sure you've felt the same in a political discussion when someone has just sarcastically smeared an ideal you were defending instead of actually talking about it. Right? Right?

Well right now, your anger is spewing mightly over my screen. Calm down, take a breath and lets debate this in a calm and orderly fashion!

After 1:00. I have class at 12:00 :D

http://www.hriders.com/web_page.cfm?web_pageID=38


and they even mention that they are offering TB email accounts so that you CAN use it to backup your files.

You have to give out more personal information Than I'm comfortable with but its free and they don't ask for SSN or credit card info...

There's another one, called Mailnation.net. But they limit attatchment sizes to 10mb. Still useful, though.

IIRC, my iMac has only about 30 gigs of space on it. It may be 60, but a 1 terabyte account would make data storage a lot easier because then I could free up space on my compy for other stuff like more and better software.

Besides that, if your compy crashes and you've got your files stored on an e-mail account, you wouldn't be SOL. AND, if you're working on a project of some kind, having a web-based e-mail account with that much storage space would allow you to work on your project anywhere you can access a computer if it has the needed software.

Well right now, your anger is spewing mightly over my screen. Calm down, take a breath and lets debate this in a calm and orderly fashion!

After 1:00. I have class at 12:00 :D

Now you're going to make me have to say something like "fair enough" or "I understand, but this is how I feel".. just to get at the point which was already there in the first place?

Supposing it's correct to call that anger (and here we go label me again), I've heard it characterized as the most misunderstood emotion, because people too often take the easy position of saying it's wrong and don't listen to what is being said (or was this sarcasm too?).

As a general thought on the subject, there is a thing as right anger (hooray take that as an admission and again condescendingly tell me to calm down or something) and its really a cheap way out, to object to it (i know you said you'd be back later).

The path this runs down is, every successive objection I make, that I care about (what about THAT, is that within possibility?) is too angry. I don't know where these straw men come from, the "Angry Person" the "Southern Baptist" the "Neocon" the "Pinko Commie", but 99% of the time the label plastered on is wrong and there is a more complete person to deal with- and while you were labeling them a real discussion with a real person was there, waiting, passing by.

IIRC, my iMac has only about 30 gigs of space on it. It may be 60, but a 1 terabyte account would make data storage a lot easier because then I could free up space on my compy for other stuff like more and better software.

Besides that, if your compy crashes and you've got your files stored on an e-mail account, you wouldn't be SOL. AND, if you're working on a project of some kind, having a web-based e-mail account with that much storage space would allow you to work on your project anywhere you can access a computer if it has the needed software.

Totally. That reminds me of this thing, it might still be around.. there was a peice of software that would let you connect to your computer from any other computer (name and password and all of that of course) to access your info from wherever you needed. This would be just as usefull.

What I think is that you got your feelinggs hurt by someine that disagreed with you. You are on the defensive and lashing out because of it. There is no need to lash out. Debates should be a calm affair.

I happen to like this idea and hope that other companies follow suite. This will free up space but the only problem I see is that if there isn't adequite security, your files can get compromised and your computer hacked.

What I think is that you got your feelinggs hurt by someine that disagreed with you. You are on the defensive and lashing out because of it. There is no need to lash out. Debates should be a calm affair.

Well on this point I can correct you from my knowledge. You have a right to guess at what you think I think, but it is a guess only and nothing you can claim knowledge of. I do know for a fact that it would be kind of stupid for feelings to be hurt (and where? How am I personally affected...

nevermind, this is nonsense