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Who's studied the use of edged weapons including but not limited to knives and swords? I've studied Philipino Kali (Inosanto blend system), which teaches alot of knife and sword techniques. I remember that there was a Sayoc Kali guy in the forums before, but I forget who.

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Does bayonet-training count?

Does bayonet-training count?
Sure. You learned it in the military I'm guessing. Did they teach any knife fighting as well?

Russian Systema (involves a lot of knife and bayonet fighting) and Kendo (while not a bladed technique in its self, designed to act as an intro to one.)

Russian Systema (involves a lot of knife and bayonet fighting) and Kendo (while not a bladed technique in its self, designed to act as an intro to one.)
I've never heard of Russian Systema. What kind of knives does it prefer? Is it taught by the military or are there schools that teach it?

Sure. You learned it in the military I'm guessing. Did they teach any knife fighting as well?

Yep. Just never quite got around to using the knife in actual combat.

Yep. Just never quite got around to using the knife in actual combat.
I've screwed around with friends using live blades (as opposed to training blades), someone always ends up bleeding. I've done a good bit of knife sparring, no matter who wins, he always would have gotten cut up and maybe stabbed a couple times if it were real.

I consider myself lucky that I've never had anyone who knew what he was doing actually pull a knife out on me in a fight.

I've screwed around with friends using live blades (as opposed to training blades), someone always ends up bleeding. I've done a good bit of knife sparring, no matter who wins, he always would have gotten cut up and maybe stabbed a couple times if it were real.

I consider myself lucky that I've never had anyone who knew what he was doing actually pull a knife out on me in a fight.

*grin* I've done a nice job of convincing a load of folks who were trying to convince themselves that a machete-attack on my company was just the thing to do, that my lot was getting ready for a bayonet-charge.

The outcome was just as one would expect from studying napoleonic history.
One of the 2 sides will bugger off, rather than playing for keepsies.

Problem is that you never know for sure WHICH side..

I studied for years to master the technique of cutting straight lines in paper with scissors. I'm so good, I can even cut fabric!

I studied for years to master the technique of cutting straight lines in paper with scissors. I'm so good, I can even cut fabric!
I'm still working on copier paper.

I'm an expert in the field of knacker stabbin.
put point end in other guy
remove
repeat if necessary

I'm an expert in the field of knacker stabbin.
put point end in other guy
remove
repeat if necessary
Knacker?

I did about two years of toshishiro obata's shinkendo organization.

Knacker?
Scumbag in a tracksuit.
Irish version of chavs.

I did about two years of toshishiro obata's shinkendo organization.
Sounds like it would be a Japanese sword style. Is it?

Scumbag in a tracksuit.
Irish version of chavs.
Gotcha.

Sounds like it would be a Japanese sword style. Is it?


Yup, we'd practice with bokken, wooden katanas, and sometimes do 'tameshigiri' "test cutting" where we'd use real swords to cut rolled tatami mats.

Was a lot of fun, did both that an kobudo, which was mostly bo, tonfa and kama.

Yup, we'd practice with bokken, wooden katanas, and sometimes do 'tameshigiri' "test cutting" where we'd use real swords to cut rolled tatami mats.

Was a lot of fun, did both that an kobudo, which was mostly bo, tonfa and kama.
That stuff is fun. In the school where I studied we'd use rattan sticks, training swords and training knives. We'd go through pre-planned routines, then learn to flow from one type of technique to another, then sparring. Kali also includes alot of empty handed stuff, so we got to punch, kick, throw, elbow, knee, headbut, choke and twist limbs into painfull positions.

I have been doing some arnis for the last 2a, not much with edged weapons yet, maybe some espada y daga, mostly with rattan sticks, doing sinawali, abanico, hirada, combat arnis. Last semester I tried pencak silat, but they only do weapons training with the advanced students, which I am not.

I did knife-training in the marines, but I wasn't very good at it. I was much better at the unarmed side.

I've screwed around with friends using live blades (as opposed to training blades), someone always ends up bleeding. I've done a good bit of knife sparring, no matter who wins, he always would have gotten cut up and maybe stabbed a couple times if it were real.

I consider myself lucky that I've never had anyone who knew what he was doing actually pull a knife out on me in a fight.

I did a lot of sparring with rubber knives, chalked on the edge, and with black t-shirts on when I was in the infantry.

Not part of an official class or system, but I found out a couple of things:

1. A knife works very well to focus your attention so your opponent can kick your ass every other way while you're focused on his knife.

2. Both of you are going to get cut.

We figured that short of cutting someone's throat, or piercing the heart, or severing a major blood vessel (the femoral, for instance), the fight will go on for a long time - and even in the case of fatal wounds, it still will go on for 15 seconds or so - which is a very long time.

That said, there are few knives with a blade length of 4 inches or so that won't instantly go through clothing and all the way into the body with even a light thrust.

Our conclusion after many afternoons was:

1. Use the knife to distract, and kick their ass.
2. Use the knife to finish them off once they are immobile or seriously hurt.

I've been trained in defense against knives. If someone holds a knife to my throat, I can put it through thier leg in about three seconds. Does that count?

I've always wanted to learn the sword, but there aren't any classes near here.

Who needs training? carry a small blade. If worse comes to worse do three quick jabs(with the blade) to the scumbags neck and your done.


Whats so hard about that?

I have been doing some arnis for the last 2a, not much with edged weapons yet, maybe some espada y daga, mostly with rattan sticks, doing sinawali, abanico, hirada, combat arnis. Last semester I tried pencak silat, but they only do weapons training with the advanced students, which I am not.
Fun stuff, isn't it? The Silat classes where I studied were mainly empty hands too. We got most of our weapons training in the Kali class.

Who's studied the use of edged weapons including but not limited to knives and swords? I've studied Philipino Kali (Inosanto blend system), which teaches alot of knife and sword techniques. I remember that there was a Sayoc Kali guy in the forums before, but I forget who.


I've done some sword study.

In my opinion Kama (kinda like sickle thingies) are great!

Best weapon is the three section staff ... though I keep twatting myself in my shins with it. It fucking hurts too!!!

Who needs training? carry a small blade. If worse comes to worse do three quick jabs(with the blade) to the scumbags neck and your done.


Whats so hard about that?
Heh, try it against someone who knows what he's doing and you're likely to find out.

I've done some sword study.

In my opinion Kama (kinda like sickle thingies) are great!

Best weapon is the three section staff ... though I keep twatting myself in my shins with it. It fucking hurts too!!!
I wouldn't have the first idea what to do with a three section staff. I prefer espada y daga (sword and dagger) or just two swords. I'm ok with sticks and/or a knife too.

I've done some sword study.

In my opinion Kama (kinda like sickle thingies) are great!

Best weapon is the three section staff ... though I keep twatting myself in my shins with it. It fucking hurts too!!!

Yeah, but it'd be kinda hard to hide those kamas walking down the street! :P
I prefer kali sticks, or my trusty kubotan!

2. Both of you are going to get cut.



An old japanese guy who taught the knife fighting seminars I went to would always start by giving little scenarios like "You haba knifu, odda guy not haba knifu, you gonna win"

and would always add "you haba knifu, odda guy haba knifu, you say 'oh so sorry so sorry' and reeve"

I have trained in in a variety of Filipino and Indonesian styles of knife fighting.

I want to make a couple of points, the former military guys can back me up on this.

If you think you are trained to defend yourself against something you havnt learned to do first, you have been lied to.

Like many of the folks here have mentioned, if you and the other guy both have knives you will both get cut.


Even when you are holding a knife it is not your most deadly weapon, your mind is=you have two legs and another arm with a fist on the end of it, do not forget those are their.

The first thing I am going to cut is your hand.

The second thing I am going to cut is your leg.

The last place I cut you will be the place that makes you go away.

The first I am going to be cut is the hand.

The last place I am going to be cut is the hand.

I have spent several years training various style(knives were the only thing I excelled at).

DrCoDe, 'messing' with live blades is dangerous and a blade as short as two inches can cripple. Stop that.


Now, before I did any formal knife training I was unfortunate enough to have practical experience one three seperate occasions as a teenager.

On two of those occassions I was left without a mark, on one of those occassions I was left with a half lame hand and small scar and dead nerves.

My hand to this day has not fully retruned to complete usefulness(after 14 years).

If someone has a knife, you run, then run some more. Dont fight until you have no other options, once that happens fight like it--or you will die.

Dan Inosanto would be the first to say that, I have the pleasure of meeting a couple of times and have heard him say as much.

I can crack an australian handled bullwhip in several ways.



Thin pieces of leather moving at several hundred miles an hour certainly act like dull edged weapons.

I have a few swords and a knife laying around here. However, I have no formal training on how to use them.

When I used to do karate, I once had to spar against someone with a bamboo Katana. Does that count? :p

*shrug* I did some Bo training, not exactly an edged weapon but can still crack a skull(or so I've been told).

Who's studied the use of edged weapons including but not limited to knives and swords? I've studied Philipino Kali (Inosanto blend system), which teaches alot of knife and sword techniques. I remember that there was a Sayoc Kali guy in the forums before, but I forget who.

I have a really battered old bone handle knife which i use to peel potatoes if that helps.

I have trained in in a variety of Filipino and Indonesian styles of knife fighting.

I want to make a couple of points, the former military guys can back me up on this.

If you think you are trained to defend yourself against something you havnt learned to do first, you have been lied to.

Like many of the folks here have mentioned, if you and the other guy both have knives you will both get cut.


Even when you are holding a knife it is not your most deadly weapon, your mind is=you have two legs and another arm with a fist on the end of it, do not forget those are their.

The first thing I am going to cut is your hand.

The second thing I am going to cut is your leg.

The last place I cut you will be the place that makes you go away.

The first I am going to be cut is the hand.

The last place I am going to be cut is the hand.

I have spent several years training various style(knives were the only thing I excelled at).

DrCoDe, 'messing' with live blades is dangerous and a blade as short as two inches can cripple. Stop that.


Now, before I did any formal knife training I was unfortunate enough to have practical experience one three seperate occasions as a teenager.

On two of those occassions I was left without a mark, on one of those occassions I was left with a half lame hand and small scar and dead nerves.

My hand to this day has not fully retruned to complete usefulness(after 14 years).

If someone has a knife, you run, then run some more. Dont fight until you have no other options, once that happens fight like it--or you will die.

Dan Inosanto would be the first to say that, I have the pleasure of meeting a couple of times and have heard him say as much.

My friends and I don't mess around with live blades any more. It was something we did when we were younger and dumber. It always resulted in some bleeding. I've got a few little scars on my hands and on my forearm to remember it by. Thankfully nobody ever got seriously hurt.

You're right about Guro Dan's advice. I've heard him say it at seminars and the guy I studied under was a full instructor under Guro Dan. He said the same thing.

I can crack an australian handled bullwhip in several ways.



Thin pieces of leather moving at several hundred miles an hour certainly act like dull edged weapons.
Yep. I've heard that said. I'm just glad I've never found out first hand.

Does fencing count?

Does fencing count?
Sure if you can use the same techniques with a real sword. Have you ever tried that?

Sure if you can use the same techniques with a real sword. Have you ever tried that?

Depends, foil not so much.

Epee, maybe as it has a stiffer blade and can be likened to a small sword (not a rapier though, totally different weapon)

Sabre (saber), the original techniques were based on the military manuals but as with most martial sports (Fencing, Kendo etc etc) they don't really apply any more. Still, your practice of movements can be done with a period sabre and they will be effective, just don't think that you will be able to do them half as quickly as you can with a fencing sabre, or indeed, be actually able to cut with a real sabre.


My personal experience is a year of fencing, 6 months or so of Kendo.

But for the past few years I have been studying the Lichtenauer school of Longsword techniques. Although not a living tradition such as some of those that have been mentioned, the manuals that have been discovered and verified are very detailed in the methods.

Some good links to learn more:

www.swordforum.com

www.myarmoury.com

Depends, foil not so much.

Epee, maybe as it has a stiffer blade and can be likened to a small sword (not a rapier though, totally different weapon)

Sabre (saber), the original techniques were based on the military manuals but as with most martial sports (Fencing, Kendo etc etc) they don't really apply any more. Still, your practice of movements can be done with a period sabre and they will be effective, just don't think that you will be able to do them half as quickly as you can with a fencing sabre, or indeed, be actually able to cut with a real sabre.


My personal experience is a year of fencing, 6 months or so of Kendo.

But for the past few years I have been studying the Lichtenauer school of Longsword techniques. Although not a living tradition such as some of those that have been mentioned, the manuals that have been discovered and verified are very detailed in the methods.

Some good links to learn more:

www.swordforum.com

www.myarmoury.com

Was watching "Kingdom of Heaven" the other day, and the movie reminded me of Kellarly.

Was watching "Kingdom of Heaven" the other day, and the movie reminded me of Kellarly.

*Moment of pride*

Although I won't point out how badly the sword play was done in that movie...

Posta di Falcone was used very badly, bad technique yadadada