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Alito Splits With Conservatives on Inmate

By GINA HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer
19 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - New Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito split with the court's conservatives Wednesday night, refusing to let Missouri execute a death-row inmate contesting lethal injection.

LINKY (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060202/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_death_penalty)


So is anybody shocked? Anyone want to admit that maybe they were a bit hasty?

You have to admit, splitting with the Conservatives on his very first case, on a very partisan issue like the death sentence, should give Democrats hope that maybe he isn't the monster Kennedy would like people to think he is! And just MAYBE, he's actually just a fair judge. Just maybe!

Alito Splits With Conservatives on Inmate

By GINA HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer
19 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - New Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito split with the court's conservatives Wednesday night, refusing to let Missouri execute a death-row inmate contesting lethal injection.

LINKY (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060202/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_death_penalty)


So is anybody shocked? Anyone want to admit that maybe they were a bit hasty?

You have to admit, splitting with the Conservatives on his very first case, on a very partisan issue like the death sentence, should give Democrats hope that maybe he isn't the monster Kennedy would like people to think he is! And just MAYBE, he's actually just a fair judge. Just maybe!

Why would you execute a man who is challenging something? If he is executed then there is no appeal. Simple as that.

Um, it's a stay, not an actual case ruling. And it's his first day. We'll have to see what happens later on.

Um, it's a stay, not an actual case ruling. And it's his first day. We'll have to see what happens later on.
I certainly realize that it's only one case, and it's is possible that he actually turn out to be the uber Conservative the Dems say he is, but it's at least a good sign, right? MAYBE he isn't so Partisan after all? You can at least admit it's possible, right?

Why would you execute a man who is challenging something? If he is executed then there is no appeal. Simple as that.

apparently scalia, thomas, and roberts need it explained to them

I certainly realize that it's only one case, and it's is possible that he actually turn out to be the uber Conservative the Dems say he is, but it's at least a good sign, right? MAYBE he isn't so Partisan after all? You can at least admit it's possible, right?
DOWN BOY! DOWN I SAY!

Jesh... why do you think I said we'll have to see how he rules on a number of cases to get his measure. One bloody case doesn't make a justice conservative or liberal, or moderate. We don't know right now.

I certainly realize that it's only one case, and it's is possible that he actually turn out to be the uber Conservative the Dems say he is, but it's at least a good sign, right? MAYBE he isn't so Partisan after all? You can at least admit it's possible, right?

or perhaps he wants a case contesting the cruelty and unusualness of lethal injection to come before the supremes so that they can rule that its not only constitutional, but not nearly cruel or unusual enough.

Hey ... I said it before and I'll say it again ...

Remember folks: I am a screaming liberal leftist tree hugging communist hippie.

Alito will show his true colors on the bench.

I never once said that Alito will destroy the fabric of America.

In this one decision, he has proven that he will use judicial discretion and uphold the Constitution of the United States.

I applaud the opposition, but my fellow liberal fear mongering may have been unbased and useless.

Now ... all I need do is wait for the rainbow wig and the man on man on donkey on child marriage decision. ;)

Must say I was pleasantly surprised by this initial movement away from the conservative vote on the court... of course we must all wait until more interesting cases start arising to see what he does on those, but I'd say making a ruling like your first decision on the bench can lend to some positive signs later on... I for one am truly hoping like nothing else that Alito will be a moderate on the court... (crosses fingers and waits for more decisions to see if I'm right...)

He voted that way cause he agrees with the justices who want to take one of the cases, the lethal injection cases, there were two from Florida also, to see if the state's method of using lethal injection was cruel and unusual.
It would be interesting to see what the top court says about lethal injection.
I think what the inmates are saying is entirely possible in regards to lethal injection.
The court made the right decision in this case. If you give a guy the right of appeal and it gets approved, by going ahead with the execution, you are in fact denying him his rights under the appeal. A stay is just that. It means you can't touch him until his appeals are over. Apparently some states just don't get it.

This decision doesn't seem to matter for either side in the least. All he said in essence is "I will listen to what you have to say and let you live past midnight tonight until I'm done listening". Wow, what a liberal. It is a basic law decision that has no partisan influence. Talk about jumping the gun.

Actually. I'm shocked.

Actually. I'm shocked.

...and ignorant as to the workings of the law. :D

This decision doesn't seem to matter for either side in the least. All he said in essence is "I will listen to what you have to say and let you live past midnight tonight until I'm done listening". Wow, what a liberal. It is a basic law decision that has no partisan influence. Talk about jumping the gun.

The liberal paranoid Bush-haters have implied that Alito will have a conservative slant to everything. This is clearly not the case. They're the ones that have "jumped the gun."

The liberal paranoid Bush-haters have implied that Alito will have a conservative slant to everything. This is clearly not the case. They're the ones that have "jumped the gun."

...that is your opinion. What does that have to do with anything I said at all.

It is not "clearly" the case as I stated the decision is basic law and means absolutely nothing. If it was deciding something maybe you could judge slant but in terms of the law his decision is along the same lines as a teacher listening to your excuse for being late or not listening to it. One means you go to detention right away and the other means you'll probably go to detention in a minute or so but to be fair the teacher will at least listen for a moment. If some other person that is not me said that "every" decision will be tainted please explain why I give a shit.

Judges make tons of decisions that have no moral or partisan implications. The law is full of little stops and injunctions that must be sorted through procedurally but do not reflect upon the final outcome in the least. Shut up and wait for him to actually do something and please don't quote me and then spew garbage that has nothing to do with what I said. You want to leave your opinion don't link it to me somehow implying I'm against or for what you have said.

The liberal paranoid Bush-haters have implied that Alito will have a conservative slant to everything. This is clearly not the case. They're the ones that have "jumped the gun."

Have the left sitting people here thought that some Democrats support him, but if they didn't kick up a stink, then maybe the conservatives wouldn't back him because he is too moderate and even makes the Democrats happy?!

I think the issue is the interpretation of the law in the spirit in which the law was written - in the case of a marriage act, the fact that it doesn't explicitly outline male and female certainly doesn't open the way for gay marriage, it just means that in the spirit in which the legislation was written, the general rule of thumb was, marriage meant male and female, thus, the need to define the sexess would be a fruitless waste of paper.

Hmpf. I will say it peeked my curiosity.

Still it's too early to give a final stamp....

This is a pleasant surprise, but Im waiting to see If Roe V Wade, happens to make a return engagement to the S.C.
Then, Im pretty sure you'll see why Bush nominated him.

...that is your opinion. What does that have to do with anything I said at all.

It is not "clearly" the case as I stated the decision is basic law and means absolutely nothing. If it was deciding something maybe you could judge slant but in terms of the law his decision is along the same lines as a teacher listening to your excuse for being late or not listening to it. One means you go to detention right away and the other means you'll probably go to detention in a minute or so but to be fair the teacher will at least listen for a moment. If some other person that is not me said that "every" decision will be tainted please explain why I give a shit.

Judges make tons of decisions that have no moral or partisan implications. The law is full of little stops and injunctions that must be sorted through procedurally but do not reflect upon the final outcome in the least. Shut up and wait for him to actually do something and please don't quote me and then spew garbage that has nothing to do with what I said. You want to leave your opinion don't link it to me somehow implying I'm against or for what you have said.

I was merely pointing out that people that insisting on painting Alito with a "conservative brush" are the ones jumping the gun. He went against the conservative members of the court in his decision.

Your post was the jumping off point for mine. If you don't like people using what you say to further thier point, don't post on a public forum.

DUH!

...and ignorant as to the workings of the law. :D

If I am ignorant as to the workings of Law than obviosly Justices Thomas, Evil Scalito, and Roberts are as well.

Scalito ones voted with Thomas to support the teaching of Creationism is science classes. All the more reason to dismiss Scalito as a Bible thumping idiot. Maybe if Roberts was there he would have voted the same. It would still be interesting to see what happens. I had my doubts Alito would ever side against Evil Scalito, Thomas, and Roberts.

Be careful Nexus, the great and infalliable Forfainia might hunt you down and call you the worst debater on the forum, or something...

Be careful Nexus, the great and infalliable Forfainia might hunt you down and call you the worst debater on the forum, or something...


Fear not!

The rest of us know you happen to be a Master De Bater.

Fear not!

The rest of us know you happen to be a Master De Bater.

:P

:P


Sorry..I just couldnt help it.

I understand. I'd have done the same in your place.

If I am ignorant as to the workings of Law than obviosly Justices Thomas, Evil Scalito, and Roberts are as well.

Scalito ones voted with Thomas to support the teaching of Creationism is science classes. All the more reason to dismiss Scalito as a Bible thumping idiot. Maybe if Roberts was there he would have voted the same. It would still be interesting to see what happens. I had my doubts Alito would ever side against Evil Scalito, Thomas, and Roberts.

Ah, that is the difference between ignorance and trying to change law from the bench.

Be careful Nexus, the great and infalliable Forfainia might hunt you down and call you the worst debater on the forum, or something...

Nah, just insults. The definition of "worst" leaves no other. You can redeem yourself with clever jokes and sentences that flow into eachother to form paragraphs though.

I understand. I'd have done the same in your place.
Common ground!! WooT!!!
It would appear there's hope for the center after all.

This is a pleasant surprise, but Im waiting to see If Roe V Wade, happens to make a return engagement to the S.C.
Then, Im pretty sure you'll see why Bush nominated him.

D'uh! Dubya could not even possibly persuade his own household to say no to legalised abortion. He'd get outvoted 3 to 1.

Abortion is to your average cultural conservative what organised religion is to your average cultural liberal:
Something they totally hate, something they wish to be outlawed, but something that - most unfortunately for them - is approved of by just about everyone but their own flock.
So all they can do is rave and rant while the rest of us make sure the status quo remains.

This is a pleasant surprise, but Im waiting to see If Roe V Wade, happens to make a return engagement to the S.C.
Then, Im pretty sure you'll see why Bush nominated him.

I have a feeling that GWB doesn't want it over turned, but instead kept to the status quo, maybe reign in some part, but over all, keep the status quo.

this man is conservative. he respects life. i am firmly against the death penalty, and yet im conservative. the thing with politics is that you dont have to go along with everything your party feels. wheres the individuality in that?

this man is conservative. he respects life. i am firmly against the death penalty, and yet im conservative. the thing with politics is that you dont have to go along with everything your party feels. wheres the individuality in that?
Yeah, of course, unless they're Iraqis ... also, your attitude COMPLETELY jibes with this ....

Republican presidential candidate Gary Bauer criticized Gov. George W. Bush for making fun of an executed Texas woman in an interview Bush gave to Talk magazine. "I think it is nothing short of unbelievable that the governor of a major state running for president thought it was acceptable to mock a woman he decided to put to death." Just before her execution date, Tucker appealed for clemency on the grounds that she had become a born-again Christian. Bush's reply: " `Please,' Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, `don't kill me,' "

and ....

First president to execute a federal prisoner in the last 40 years.
8 – Number of days after that first execution that a second federal prisoner was executed.
#1 – As governor of Texas , executed more prisoners (152) than any governor in modern U.S. history.

Mmmm, fledgling fascism.

and ....

First president to execute a federal prisoner in the last 40 years.
8 – Number of days after that first execution that a second federal prisoner was executed.
#1 – As governor of Texas , executed more prisoners (152) than any governor in modern U.S. history.

Mmmm, fledgling fascism.

Doesn't he also have a high number of retarded people getting executed?

Doesn't he also have a high number of retarded people getting executed?
I did, in fact, read that. Hold on a sec ...


*ahem*

http://www.nodeathpenalty.org/newab020/

Bush even had the gall to declare, "We should never execute anyone who is mentally retarded." Of course, as governor of Texas, Bush opposed legislation that banned executions of the mentally handicapped. He signed off on the execution of six prisoners with IQs below 70 (the general threshold measuring mental retardation) -- one-sixth of the number of mentally handicapped individuals who have been executed since 1976.
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