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31 January 2006

VIENNA: Major US oil provider Venezuela stands by its promise to back Opec-partner Iran in its argument with the West over its atomic programme, Venezuela's oil minister said.

"Venezuela is going to support Iran in the nuclear dispute," Venezuelan Energy and Mines Minister Rafael Ramirez told reporters ahead of an Opec meeting in Vienna.
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Iran is at odds with the United States and the European Union over its decision to resume its nuclear work. Iran says it wants to generate electricity, but the West has its doubts.
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Concern that oil exports from Opec's second biggest producer Iran could be interrupted – either by sanctions or Tehran withholding supplies – has sent oil back towards its record high of $US70.85 ($NZ105.27). It stood close to $US68 on Monday.

Last September Venezuela, the world's fifth biggest oil exporter, was the only country to vote against a resolution at the UN International Atomic Energy Agency that moved towards reporting Iran to be the Security Council.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3557210a12,00.html

I'm not afraid of them. If they think they can use oil as a weapon, they're going to find the world is pretty much unanimous in its opposition to an Iranian nuclear program. Venezuela will be isolated and economically ruined if they attempt another oil crisis.

I'd pay higher gas prices if it meant preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons, and as a big "fuck you" to Chavez as well.

And this is why we need to develop alternate energy sources.

I'd pay higher gas prices if it meant preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons, and as a big "fuck you" to Chavez as well.

I wonder if random Joe Stupid will think in terms of the bigger picture, though, or only the pennies that are no longer in his pocket.

And this is why we need to develop alternate energy sources.

The list of alternative energy sources goes on and on...if our government would actually commit itself to them, we'd be more than able to meet our needs. Hell, there's enough wind power in North Dakota to meet all of our energy needs.

You know, this isn't an issue between Iran and Bush. It's an issue between Iran and the entire rest of the world. The UN is the one that'll be taking action against Iran, not just the United States.

The sooner we can get hydrogen cars working, the better. I am sick and tired of being held hostage by the oil producers.

I'd pay higher gas prices if it meant preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons, and as a big "fuck you" to Chavez as well.
Hell, don't stop with Venezuela and Chavez - I'd deal with the high prices if we stopped importing oil from Saudi Arabia, as a big "F*ck you!" to the crooks in their government.

I wonder if random Joe Stupid will think in terms of the bigger picture, though, or only the pennies that are no longer in his pocket.

That's the sad part; too many Americans would be willing to give in to these people to get cheap gas. That's why our country lags behind so much in alternative energy, and it's only a matter of time before we're really hurt.

I wonder if random Joe Stupid will think in terms of the bigger picture, though, or only the pennies that are no longer in his pocket.


maybe SUV sales will drop, which will diminish our demand for oil... which might help to mitigate any rise we'd see from Chavez the Red's anti-West stand. This will hurt Venezuela if Chav goes through with it. The guy is starting to remind me of Kim-Jong Il -- just loves the spotlight, wants his country to seem important.

Hell, don't stop with Venezuela and Chavez - I'd deal with the high prices if we stopped importing oil from Saudi Arabia, as a big "F*ck you!" to the crooks in their government.

I'd do it as well. Anything that starves those corrupt tyrants gets my support...we need a commitment not unlike that of WWII if we're going to get ourselves off of oil however.

a big "fuck you" to Chavez as well.LOL .. I am sure Chavez would love you too.. If he knew you existed :D :D ;) :D

maybe SUV sales will drop, which will diminish our demand for oil... which might help to mitigate any rise we'd see from Chavez the Red's anti-West stand. This will hurt Venezuela if Chav goes through with it. The guy is starting to remind me of Kim-Jong Il -- just loves the spotlight, wants his country to seem important.

They are, and hard...that's one of the reasons why GM/Ford are hurting. However, fewer SUVs means less oil wasted and less dependency on OPEC/Russia...and that's always good.

Does Chavez actually support the Iranian nuclear programme for any good reason other than the fact that the USA is against it?

LOL .. I am sure Chavez would love you too.. If he knew you existed :D :D ;) :D

He does..yes,..he does.....

I'm Jewishand I think Iran should be allowed to pursue nuclear power...if they allow Russia or China or inspectors to watch them. Even if they do plan to make nuclear armaments, I trust them more than North Korea.

LOL .. I am sure Chavez would love you too.. If he knew you existed :D :D ;) :D
You really are an idiot. He wasn't referring just to himself paying higher gas prices, he meant the entire country. Then Chavez would care.

He does..yes,..he does.....Get real..Chavez does not care about your opinion.. Because he does not know you exist.. you are a noname for him.. a nameless anonymous poster bitching about him.. a drop in the ocean where he took a naked swim last Friday..

The fact of the matter is the United States has little to no interest in developing alternate energy sources until the last drop of oil is pumped dry from this planet. There are way too many hands in the "honey pot" making money hand over fist. Until Americans make a conscience decision to drive something besides landyachts and stop worrying about their image or keeping up with the jones it will remain as it is.

That's funny because we could blast Argentina off the face of the continent in a matter of minutes.

The fact of the matter is the United States has little to no interest in developing alternate energy sources until the last drop of oil is pumped dry from this planet. There are way too many hands in the "honey pot" making money hand over fist. Until Americans make a conscience decision to drive something besides landyachts and stop worrying about their image or keeping up with the jones it will remain as it is.

You hit the nail on the head with that one.

You hit the nail on the head with that one.

More specifically, alternate energy will not become mainstream until the structures are in place for the same select few who make money off of oil can make it off of other energy sources also.

Considering the number of alternative energy possibilities, this could take a while.

basicly if you think the oil producing countries haven't got america by the balls then you are seriously misguided....

viva chavez!

i'll support any popular democratic leader against america

You really are an idiot. He wasn't referring just to himself paying higher gas prices, he meant the entire country. Then Chavez would care.here read it again...I'd pay higher gas prices if it meant preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons, and as a big "fuck you" to Chavez as well.It is his (Vetalia) personal pledge to pay more if necessary.. and FYI Vatalia cant speak for all of US.. Some of US could mind paying more and more for Gaz just to buzz Chavez..

That's funny because we could blast Argentina off the face of the continent in a matter of minutes.



...Argentina? you mean that country that hasnt yet been mentioned in this discussion, and the one that Chavez is NOT the president of.


maybe your referring to...Venezuela, unless your aim was to make absolutely no sense whatsoever. in that case i urge you to realize that any attempts of a super power "blasting" a country "off the face of the continent" would not be taken well by that country we like to call "China" (not to mention every other country excluding Britain) the one that could destroy any country in a land war with little or no trouble at all.

That's funny because we could blast Argentina off the face of the continent in a matter of minutes.Sure and we can Blast Brazil too.. and while we are at it why not blast the whole enchilada.. Just be careful not to touch the Guyana.. Because if we do.. we could get our asses nuked...

Sure and we can Blast Brazil too.. and while we are at it why not blast the whole enchilada.. Just be careful not to touch the Guyana.. Because if we do.. we could get our asses nuked...

well we could just install a bunch of giant fans along Venezuela's southern and eastern borders and blow the fallout into the caribbean and Panama.

hehe

Big Surprise, the little troll in Venezuela is trying any way he can to tweak America's nose. The ignorant little man will be ignored now, and by history.

i have no love for iran's mistreatment of Baha'is, and perhapse some other religeous minorities, but every nation on the planet needs to back each other against (the real forces) bush II (knowingly and willingly represents as their hood orniment). forces who'se REAL 'war' is against international law and a fair shake for people and resources outside of the, or a handful of the, most powerful nations on this planet, and even against the civil liberties of those of us living in them as well.

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here read it again...It is his (Vetalia) personal pledge to pay more if necessary.. and FYI Vatalia cant speak for all of US.. Some of US could mind paying more and more for Gaz just to buzz Chavez..
It's pretty clear that you misinterpreted what he said. It's obvious that Vetalia would have known that paying more for gas on their own would make no difference to Iran getting nukes and that Chavez wouldn't have heard of it. If somebody says they personally wouldn't mind paying more for gas it doesn't mean they think that them paying more is going to make a difference to world politics. If somebody says they're willing to pay more, they're referring to prices increasing across the board. Any moron could see that.

Wow another thread where OceanDrive makes an ass of himself.

It's pretty clear that you misinterpreted what he said.You are pathetic!!.. I already quoted it for you...
here once more... read it s-l-o-w-l-y this time
I'd deal with the high prices...

and here is another...
I'd do it as well. Anything that starves those corrupt tyrants gets my support...

Vetalia is still talking in her own name... He is not talking in the name of the whole US pop.. because she/he is not the whole US population.

get a brain -somewhere- :D :D ;) :D

You are pathetic!!.. I already quoted it for you...
here once more... read it s-l-o-w-l-y this time


and here is another...


Vetalia is still talking in her own name... He is not talking in the name of the whole US pop.. because she/he is not the whole US population.

get a brain -somewhere- :D :D ;) :D
I realise that Vetalia wasn't talking for the entire US population. But I also realise that when Vetalia was talking about higher gas prices, he/she didn't mean "I want to pay a few cents extra for gas and I'm sure Chavez would care about it". It's obvious that Vetalia meant that he/she personally wouldn't mind if prices were higher. If somebody wants to see higher gas prices, it doesn't mean they only want to see it for themselves, it means they want to see higher prices for everyone. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

I realise that Vetalia wasn't talking for the entire US population.. Good!!

I was starting to worry about your mental health..

Because Vetalia sure realizes he/she is not the ultimate-For-All-of-US speaker

..too many Americans would be willing to give in to these people to get cheap gas...

*goes away to take a few aspirins*
*whispers inside... Damn n00bs*

Good!!

I was starting to worry about your mental health..

Because Vetalia sure realizes he/she is not the ultimate-For-All-of-US speaker



*goes away to take a few aspirins*
*thinks to himself...Damn n00bs*
Any moron could have seen that I knew that Vetalia wasn't speaking for the entire US, you have have to be incredibly stupid if you thought that I though that. And your stupidity is certainly confirmed by your use of the word 'n00b' as an insult. And you've hardly been here very long yourself.

I'm not afraid of them. If they think they can use oil as a weapon, they're going to find the world is pretty much unanimous in its opposition to an Iranian nuclear program. Venezuela will be isolated and economically ruined if they attempt another oil crisis.

I'd pay higher gas prices if it meant preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons, and as a big "fuck you" to Chavez as well.
Speak for yourself. Everybody gets nuclear power, or nobody at all.

Any moron could have seen that I knew that Vetalia wasn't speaking for the entire US....a moron would understand your stupid posts (whatever you were talking about).. because you would both speak the same language :D

...But I also realise that when Vetalia was talking about higher gas prices, he/she didn't mean "I want to pay a few cents extra for gas and I'm sure Chavez would care about it". It's obvious that Vetalia meant that he/she personally wouldn't mind if prices were higher. If somebody wants to see higher gas prices, it doesn't mean they only want to see it for themselves, it means they want to see higher prices for everyone. Why is this so hard for you to understand?see?..

this is what I am talking about.

you are over-complicating your speach..

Speak for yourself. Everybody gets nuclear power, or nobody at all.

Apparently, the overwhelming majority of the nations of the world disagree with that sentiment, and Iran appears to have at least some intentions of using it for military purposes. The world's interests are not favorable to Iran having nukes.

Apparently, the overwhelming majority of the nations of the world disagree with that sentiment...World majority is diffcult to measure..

are we talking 51% of the World pop?

The world's interests are not favorable to Iran having nukes.
It must be awful having to rule the planet from Mentor, Ohio, your majesty.

"...Argentina? you mean that country that hasnt yet been mentioned in this discussion, and the one that Chavez is NOT the president of.


maybe your referring to...Venezuela, unless your aim was to make absolutely no sense whatsoever. in that case i urge you to realize that any attempts of a super power "blasting" a country "off the face of the continent" would not be taken well by that country we like to call "China" (not to mention every other country excluding Britain) the one that could destroy any country in a land war with little or no trouble at all."

I meant to say Venezuela... I really did!

It is every country's right to develop a civilian nuclear program. Iran, as any other country, is entitled to its own and there is ABSOLUTELY no proof that Iran has nukes or plan to build any.

They have been very collaborative with the U.N on that case, letting inspectors "inspect" ALL their installations, even with permanent cameras. The U.S of A just got pissed and the Büsh cabal sure needs another war. Convincing the other members of the Security Council wasn't much of a trouble since I'm pretty sure the U.S of A has a bigger influence than Iran in the world...

Iran is, by the very own rules of the U.N, in its right. So is Chavez, a democratically elected leader (can't say the same for Büsh, evidently).